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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2024 - 11:14 PM ET #26

    @UNIMAN

     Just out of curiousity did you see Putins list of requirements to end this Ukraine situation? Funny how his top issue is NATO...huh who has been saying that outside of most people with some intelligence? 

    Ukraine started this with breaking the conditions of their province allowance and how could you think that Russia would EVER allow Ukraine to even consider joining NATO and do nothing about it?

    Yeah its Biden..righttttt

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    @UNIMAN

     Just out of curiousity did you see Putins list of requirements to end this Ukraine situation? Funny how his top issue is NATO...huh who has been saying that outside of most people with some intelligence? 

    Ukraine started this with breaking the conditions of their province allowance and how could you think that Russia would EVER allow Ukraine to even consider joining NATO and do nothing about it?

    Yeah its Biden..righttttt

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2024 - 1:23 AM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @UNIMAN  You can pick data out and form a narrative quite easily and I can do the same regarding taxes. I am a citizen I had SOME deductions, my SALT deductions are here in AZ where property taxes are lower than I paid in PA, so I would imagine if I was still in PA paying higher property taxes it would have been worse but I do my own taxes and mine went up...I was one of those filers that WITH deductions my brackets shifted, meaning when you enter the wages data into say a tax program it gives you the figures as you go and when I would enter wages and taxes my figure was X and then as I added deductions it improved my return versus now when I enter wage and tax figures the program really does not change much outside of IRA contributions, not much else has impact now. I do not consider myself out of the ordinary rather maybe a bracket edge taxpayer so mine went up and went up even more this last year.  So for me FACTS are the basis of my observation and since I am not alone about being a middle road citizen that had SOME write offs but not all or tons, I have been harmed since the unnecessary changes...so those are my tax realities.

     

    My wife owns her own business and her taxes went up.  Just middle class people.  Am sure if she owned some big corporation, we would have got some fat tax breaks.  Someday the 99 percent are gonna wake up and stop taking shit from the 1 percent.  People keep blaming the wrong people, like biden has any control over the price of oil, when the cartels got everybody by the balls.  And no magas we dont have enough oil in the USA to just use our own oil.  We would run out in roughly 5 years, then we would be royally screwed by all the countries that have the oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @UNIMAN  You can pick data out and form a narrative quite easily and I can do the same regarding taxes. I am a citizen I had SOME deductions, my SALT deductions are here in AZ where property taxes are lower than I paid in PA, so I would imagine if I was still in PA paying higher property taxes it would have been worse but I do my own taxes and mine went up...I was one of those filers that WITH deductions my brackets shifted, meaning when you enter the wages data into say a tax program it gives you the figures as you go and when I would enter wages and taxes my figure was X and then as I added deductions it improved my return versus now when I enter wage and tax figures the program really does not change much outside of IRA contributions, not much else has impact now. I do not consider myself out of the ordinary rather maybe a bracket edge taxpayer so mine went up and went up even more this last year.  So for me FACTS are the basis of my observation and since I am not alone about being a middle road citizen that had SOME write offs but not all or tons, I have been harmed since the unnecessary changes...so those are my tax realities.

     

    My wife owns her own business and her taxes went up.  Just middle class people.  Am sure if she owned some big corporation, we would have got some fat tax breaks.  Someday the 99 percent are gonna wake up and stop taking shit from the 1 percent.  People keep blaming the wrong people, like biden has any control over the price of oil, when the cartels got everybody by the balls.  And no magas we dont have enough oil in the USA to just use our own oil.  We would run out in roughly 5 years, then we would be royally screwed by all the countries that have the oil.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2024 - 1:44 AM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @UNIMAN  Just out of curiousity did you see Putins list of requirements to end this Ukraine situation? Funny how his top issue is NATO...huh who has been saying that outside of most people with some intelligence?  Ukraine started this with breaking the conditions of their province allowance and how could you think that Russia would EVER allow Ukraine to even consider joining NATO and do nothing about it? Yeah its Biden..righttttt

    Uniman hates NATO because Putin (aka daddy) said so. C’mon man, don’t make him copy pasta random garbage from the fraudracketeers The Federalist again

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @UNIMAN  Just out of curiousity did you see Putins list of requirements to end this Ukraine situation? Funny how his top issue is NATO...huh who has been saying that outside of most people with some intelligence?  Ukraine started this with breaking the conditions of their province allowance and how could you think that Russia would EVER allow Ukraine to even consider joining NATO and do nothing about it? Yeah its Biden..righttttt

    Uniman hates NATO because Putin (aka daddy) said so. C’mon man, don’t make him copy pasta random garbage from the fraudracketeers The Federalist again

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2024 - 12:45 PM ET #29

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     I dont fault Russia for being aggressive regarding NATO and Ukraine, we would do the same if Mexico allowed Russia to put military bases and weapons anywhere in that country. We went quite far when Cuba was mixing it up in the 60s and 70s so how is it a shock that Russia is stepping on the neck of Ukraine for doing similar actions? Russia will never allow a province to consider joining NATO. This situation is completely avoidable and the US should stop being involved and stop spending taxpayer dollars on this and guide Ukraine to back off and keep the terms they agreed to.

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     I dont fault Russia for being aggressive regarding NATO and Ukraine, we would do the same if Mexico allowed Russia to put military bases and weapons anywhere in that country. We went quite far when Cuba was mixing it up in the 60s and 70s so how is it a shock that Russia is stepping on the neck of Ukraine for doing similar actions? Russia will never allow a province to consider joining NATO. This situation is completely avoidable and the US should stop being involved and stop spending taxpayer dollars on this and guide Ukraine to back off and keep the terms they agreed to.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2024 - 1:57 PM ET #30

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      I'll never "minimize" anyone's job......the point is that the norm for the serving industry is that most do NOT make a career of it. It is, by & large, minimum wage work.  In a two-income family it can work. But I only know of one person that is making a living out of serving....a bartender. The tip-credit law in the west is much more equitable for the servers, especially in states like WA, where the state min. wage far exceeds the national. It wasn't that way years ago, so I'll concede that I'm not up to date with current laws. peace_5

     It also explains why the menu prices have jumped substantially around here, & why the few mom-pop restaurants that didn't serve alcohol have vanished.

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      I'll never "minimize" anyone's job......the point is that the norm for the serving industry is that most do NOT make a career of it. It is, by & large, minimum wage work.  In a two-income family it can work. But I only know of one person that is making a living out of serving....a bartender. The tip-credit law in the west is much more equitable for the servers, especially in states like WA, where the state min. wage far exceeds the national. It wasn't that way years ago, so I'll concede that I'm not up to date with current laws. peace_5

     It also explains why the menu prices have jumped substantially around here, & why the few mom-pop restaurants that didn't serve alcohol have vanished.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2024 - 2:56 PM ET #31

    Russian propaganda falsely blames NATO to justify illegal invasion.  Actually, the invasion was never about NATO.  Decades ago, Russia and Ukraine agreed to a friendship treaty.  In 2010, Ukraine parliament voted to abandon goal of NATO membership.  After Russian attack in 2014, Ukraine voted to end neutral status to seek military aid for self defense.  In 2018, Ukraine voted to seek NATO membership.  Before 2021 invasion, Ukraine offered to abandon NATO membership but Putin doesn't want peace.  Atlantic council says the real reason Putin opposes NATO is not because he believes it is a threat.  But rather because NATO prevents him from bullying Russia's neighbors.

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    Russian propaganda falsely blames NATO to justify illegal invasion.  Actually, the invasion was never about NATO.  Decades ago, Russia and Ukraine agreed to a friendship treaty.  In 2010, Ukraine parliament voted to abandon goal of NATO membership.  After Russian attack in 2014, Ukraine voted to end neutral status to seek military aid for self defense.  In 2018, Ukraine voted to seek NATO membership.  Before 2021 invasion, Ukraine offered to abandon NATO membership but Putin doesn't want peace.  Atlantic council says the real reason Putin opposes NATO is not because he believes it is a threat.  But rather because NATO prevents him from bullying Russia's neighbors.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2024 - 3:52 PM ET #32

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     So lets work this through from the Russian perspective, the larger existing union grants several far boundary areas provincial status to exist within certain boundaries and guidelines and have a quasi form of separation from the union. That is how "Ukraine" came to exist as it currently is. So since that time there have been back and forth issues with NATO not NATO then NATO not NATO. What do you think Russia would do given this never ending see saw back and forth stuff that Ukraine keeps messing around with?

    The Ukraine leadership made certain agreements and parameters to how they would exist and what they would and would not do with regard to the larger union and they have broken/bended those terms many times in the past. What do you think Russia would do if that happened once or twice or five times? This is not a surprise at all to me, I do not see why we would support Ukraine in this scenario given that for all purposes they are under the terms they agreed to and Russia could re-annex the entire "province" if they felt like it and without any reason outside they decided to.

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    @thirdperson

     So lets work this through from the Russian perspective, the larger existing union grants several far boundary areas provincial status to exist within certain boundaries and guidelines and have a quasi form of separation from the union. That is how "Ukraine" came to exist as it currently is. So since that time there have been back and forth issues with NATO not NATO then NATO not NATO. What do you think Russia would do given this never ending see saw back and forth stuff that Ukraine keeps messing around with?

    The Ukraine leadership made certain agreements and parameters to how they would exist and what they would and would not do with regard to the larger union and they have broken/bended those terms many times in the past. What do you think Russia would do if that happened once or twice or five times? This is not a surprise at all to me, I do not see why we would support Ukraine in this scenario given that for all purposes they are under the terms they agreed to and Russia could re-annex the entire "province" if they felt like it and without any reason outside they decided to.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2024 - 4:58 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: @UNIMAN  Just out of curiousity did you see Putins list of requirements to end this Ukraine situation? Funny how his top issue is NATO...huh who has been saying that outside of most people with some intelligence?  Ukraine started this with breaking the conditions of their province allowance and how could you think that Russia would EVER allow Ukraine to even consider joining NATO and do nothing about it? Yeah its Biden..righttttt Uniman hates NATO because Putin (aka daddy) said so. C’mon man, don’t make him copy pasta random garbage from the fraudracketeers The Federalist again

    Why don't you show us all just what "copy pasta" posted by me came from the Federalist by providing a link. an_popcorn

    Or maybe just stop lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: @UNIMAN  Just out of curiousity did you see Putins list of requirements to end this Ukraine situation? Funny how his top issue is NATO...huh who has been saying that outside of most people with some intelligence?  Ukraine started this with breaking the conditions of their province allowance and how could you think that Russia would EVER allow Ukraine to even consider joining NATO and do nothing about it? Yeah its Biden..righttttt Uniman hates NATO because Putin (aka daddy) said so. C’mon man, don’t make him copy pasta random garbage from the fraudracketeers The Federalist again

    Why don't you show us all just what "copy pasta" posted by me came from the Federalist by providing a link. an_popcorn

    Or maybe just stop lying.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2024 - 6:29 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    @wallstreetcappers   I'll never "minimize" anyone's job......the point is that the norm for the serving industry is that most do NOT make a career of it. It is, by & large, minimum wage work.  In a two-income family it can work. But I only know of one person that is making a living out of serving....a bartender. The tip-credit law in the west is much more equitable for the servers, especially in states like WA, where the state min. wage far exceeds the national. It wasn't that way years ago, so I'll concede that I'm not up to date with current laws.  It also explains why the menu prices have jumped substantially around here, & why the few mom-pop restaurants that didn't serve alcohol have vanished.

     

    Lmfaoooooo please stop with your non sense.  You must only people that work in cheap maga places where nobody tips, cause they gotta send their money to the orange clown.  I know waiters and waitresses that can easily make 300-500 a night in tips and thats not even fancy places where they make alot more.  The fact is you cant tax one occupation and not tax another one. Doesnt matter if a person makes their pay from tips, its still income and needs to be taxed like every other job.  Trump and his fuckin gimicks.

    So some doctor working in the ER, saving lives will get taxed on their income, but some waiter, waiting tables doesnt have to pay taxes  yeah okay maga mugg lmfaoooooooooooooooooo.  People trying to destroy Our Country is really starting to get old now.  So funny how trump makes fun of all you magas(HES SAID IT MANY TIMES THRU THE YEARS, HE LOVES STUPID PEOPLE) and you will all still jump over a cliff if he asked you to do it. TRUMP =MODERN DAY JIM JONES

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    @wallstreetcappers   I'll never "minimize" anyone's job......the point is that the norm for the serving industry is that most do NOT make a career of it. It is, by & large, minimum wage work.  In a two-income family it can work. But I only know of one person that is making a living out of serving....a bartender. The tip-credit law in the west is much more equitable for the servers, especially in states like WA, where the state min. wage far exceeds the national. It wasn't that way years ago, so I'll concede that I'm not up to date with current laws.  It also explains why the menu prices have jumped substantially around here, & why the few mom-pop restaurants that didn't serve alcohol have vanished.

     

    Lmfaoooooo please stop with your non sense.  You must only people that work in cheap maga places where nobody tips, cause they gotta send their money to the orange clown.  I know waiters and waitresses that can easily make 300-500 a night in tips and thats not even fancy places where they make alot more.  The fact is you cant tax one occupation and not tax another one. Doesnt matter if a person makes their pay from tips, its still income and needs to be taxed like every other job.  Trump and his fuckin gimicks.

    So some doctor working in the ER, saving lives will get taxed on their income, but some waiter, waiting tables doesnt have to pay taxes  yeah okay maga mugg lmfaoooooooooooooooooo.  People trying to destroy Our Country is really starting to get old now.  So funny how trump makes fun of all you magas(HES SAID IT MANY TIMES THRU THE YEARS, HE LOVES STUPID PEOPLE) and you will all still jump over a cliff if he asked you to do it. TRUMP =MODERN DAY JIM JONES

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2024 - 11:29 PM ET #35

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    I will m,ake this very simple for mugg to understand. Please explain why a person that works for tips shouldnt have to pay taxes on the money they make, but every other worker who doesn t get paid in tips, has to pay taxes on the money they get paid.  Income is income pal.  You cant say that 1 portion of workers have to pay taxes while another portion doesnt. So the waiter doest have to pay taxes on what he makes in a week (which could be some serious cash) but the guy in the factory who worked his ass off all week has to pay taxes on his money lmfaoooooooooooooo.  Once again Mugg proves he has no concept of reality.  This so comical and typical of trumps non sense. This is as funny as telling the oil companies they need to pony up a billion dollars for his campaign because if they do, they will be taken care of with great economic policies for them lollllll.  Lastly mugg, how should the govt make up for that lost income?  Take more taxes from the factory worker to pay for the waiter, who could be actually making more money then the factory worker. On top of that majority of workers making tips dont report their full tips anyways.  I know the republicans will raid social security to pay for the lost income taxes from tip workers.  Sorry but i keep saying magas really arent bright and they love to hurt their own selves when they get behind silly non sense like this.  They are so far deep in the cult, they have actually lost the ability to see thru bullshit anymore. Sorry mugg but Wallstreet has way more knowledge about economics, then you could ever have.  Thats a fact

    Tips are a gratuity. A gift for doing a good job. They should've never been considered a wage. As a person who has spent more time than I care to admit in bars, and eating out in restaurants, and as a person who was raised to tip well, not once have I done so because I feel I should shoulder the burden of subsidizing service workers' wages. It's a gift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

    I will m,ake this very simple for mugg to understand. Please explain why a person that works for tips shouldnt have to pay taxes on the money they make, but every other worker who doesn t get paid in tips, has to pay taxes on the money they get paid.  Income is income pal.  You cant say that 1 portion of workers have to pay taxes while another portion doesnt. So the waiter doest have to pay taxes on what he makes in a week (which could be some serious cash) but the guy in the factory who worked his ass off all week has to pay taxes on his money lmfaoooooooooooooo.  Once again Mugg proves he has no concept of reality.  This so comical and typical of trumps non sense. This is as funny as telling the oil companies they need to pony up a billion dollars for his campaign because if they do, they will be taken care of with great economic policies for them lollllll.  Lastly mugg, how should the govt make up for that lost income?  Take more taxes from the factory worker to pay for the waiter, who could be actually making more money then the factory worker. On top of that majority of workers making tips dont report their full tips anyways.  I know the republicans will raid social security to pay for the lost income taxes from tip workers.  Sorry but i keep saying magas really arent bright and they love to hurt their own selves when they get behind silly non sense like this.  They are so far deep in the cult, they have actually lost the ability to see thru bullshit anymore. Sorry mugg but Wallstreet has way more knowledge about economics, then you could ever have.  Thats a fact

    Tips are a gratuity. A gift for doing a good job. They should've never been considered a wage. As a person who has spent more time than I care to admit in bars, and eating out in restaurants, and as a person who was raised to tip well, not once have I done so because I feel I should shoulder the burden of subsidizing service workers' wages. It's a gift.

     
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     Its a gift for what...did someone leave flowers on the table, did a machine wheel over and play you a tune, what is this GIFT for? A GIFT is for free it is not for any service rendered when you go to a restaurant. A tip is for a service rendered, they bring you food answer questions we used to cash the ticket out for the customer, deliver wine service, wipe messy slob customer table between courses, bring out A1 sauce for your well done steak and an extra spoon when you drop it on the floor. You are gifting for their service. 

    What is your view that some states pay tipped service workers 2 bucks an hour? Is that a reasonable wage? Is it your problem that this state mandates 2 buck an hour min wage for service? Would you rather have a restaurant raise your menu prices and then any old slob under skilled twerp comes and drops your food off and never to be seen again?

    Service for me was a demanding job I was running my BUTT off to service the whining complaining time sensitive rude customers who felt entitled for going to a fine restaurant and had the expectation of class and refinement from the service staff. We wore pressed shirts, bow tie, classy pants and shoes, same goes for many nicer restaurants. Yeah those guys deserve 11 bucks an hour like AZ mandates or the 2 that the other state mandates, its not meant to be a long term job and who cares if they have any skills at servicing, its no different than going to McDonalds and hoping for the best.

    True servers are professional at what they do and they work harder than many software engineers and work is work, when I go out I hold the HIGHEST regard for the service staff because I know what a brutal job it is and how there are so many selfish, rude and entitled customers they have to deal with.

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     Its a gift for what...did someone leave flowers on the table, did a machine wheel over and play you a tune, what is this GIFT for? A GIFT is for free it is not for any service rendered when you go to a restaurant. A tip is for a service rendered, they bring you food answer questions we used to cash the ticket out for the customer, deliver wine service, wipe messy slob customer table between courses, bring out A1 sauce for your well done steak and an extra spoon when you drop it on the floor. You are gifting for their service. 

    What is your view that some states pay tipped service workers 2 bucks an hour? Is that a reasonable wage? Is it your problem that this state mandates 2 buck an hour min wage for service? Would you rather have a restaurant raise your menu prices and then any old slob under skilled twerp comes and drops your food off and never to be seen again?

    Service for me was a demanding job I was running my BUTT off to service the whining complaining time sensitive rude customers who felt entitled for going to a fine restaurant and had the expectation of class and refinement from the service staff. We wore pressed shirts, bow tie, classy pants and shoes, same goes for many nicer restaurants. Yeah those guys deserve 11 bucks an hour like AZ mandates or the 2 that the other state mandates, its not meant to be a long term job and who cares if they have any skills at servicing, its no different than going to McDonalds and hoping for the best.

    True servers are professional at what they do and they work harder than many software engineers and work is work, when I go out I hold the HIGHEST regard for the service staff because I know what a brutal job it is and how there are so many selfish, rude and entitled customers they have to deal with.

     
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    Every state should require minimum wage to be paid regardless of whether or not you are a tipped employee....offsetting your minimum wage because you are a tipped employee is ridiculous now-a-days...makes no sense...pay minimum wage and no one can complain that this is how servers make a living...you accept a job knowing that you make minimum wage and if you get tip, great, but if you don't then you are being paid what you accepted as an employment offer...

     

    offsetting minimum wage is so old...In California you must pay every worker minimum wage...when you tip a worker in California you are adding to their already high base rate in the State....tipping a worker making less than minimum wage, and Federal minimum wage at that, makes sense, but does it make sense if that worker is already receiving a base hourly rate of $16/hr or higher....there is a huge difference...the problem is your State not the businesses or the people eating in the establishments...raise you minimum wage and require businesses to pay at least that wage per hour...c'mon now...

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    Every state should require minimum wage to be paid regardless of whether or not you are a tipped employee....offsetting your minimum wage because you are a tipped employee is ridiculous now-a-days...makes no sense...pay minimum wage and no one can complain that this is how servers make a living...you accept a job knowing that you make minimum wage and if you get tip, great, but if you don't then you are being paid what you accepted as an employment offer...

     

    offsetting minimum wage is so old...In California you must pay every worker minimum wage...when you tip a worker in California you are adding to their already high base rate in the State....tipping a worker making less than minimum wage, and Federal minimum wage at that, makes sense, but does it make sense if that worker is already receiving a base hourly rate of $16/hr or higher....there is a huge difference...the problem is your State not the businesses or the people eating in the establishments...raise you minimum wage and require businesses to pay at least that wage per hour...c'mon now...

     
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     I think everyone should be forced to be a server at Olive Garden or Chili's or Dennys before they can start a "real" career. People who have served have a completely different perspective than ANY replies I see here. Service is harder than any other job I ever had it was physically demanding, psychologically demanding and very draining. I still have service nightmares and its been a long long time since I was in the industry. Service requires pace, skill, agility, patience, physical fitness and did I say patience? 

    People that suggest servers are min wage workers have never been servers and never been in the position of dealing with the public. Same goes for QSR jobs...people in the general public are so thankless and obtuse to understand the stress and strain a demanding time sensitive customer facing job is. If you or anyone here would actually go and work a server job for six months full time I promise you these really crappy comments would not come to mind.

    I never go out because I can make most things better and cheaper than nearly any place I would consider but the few times I have my mind is in server mode I am watching everything as if I was a server and once someone has served it never leaves your brain, its engrained and you are forever changed. I still keep in good contact with several servers I worked with back in college and many are still serving and still grinding and punishing their body, their hips, wrists, knees, feet it is very very very hard work.

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     I think everyone should be forced to be a server at Olive Garden or Chili's or Dennys before they can start a "real" career. People who have served have a completely different perspective than ANY replies I see here. Service is harder than any other job I ever had it was physically demanding, psychologically demanding and very draining. I still have service nightmares and its been a long long time since I was in the industry. Service requires pace, skill, agility, patience, physical fitness and did I say patience? 

    People that suggest servers are min wage workers have never been servers and never been in the position of dealing with the public. Same goes for QSR jobs...people in the general public are so thankless and obtuse to understand the stress and strain a demanding time sensitive customer facing job is. If you or anyone here would actually go and work a server job for six months full time I promise you these really crappy comments would not come to mind.

    I never go out because I can make most things better and cheaper than nearly any place I would consider but the few times I have my mind is in server mode I am watching everything as if I was a server and once someone has served it never leaves your brain, its engrained and you are forever changed. I still keep in good contact with several servers I worked with back in college and many are still serving and still grinding and punishing their body, their hips, wrists, knees, feet it is very very very hard work.

     
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    TRUMP IS SUCH A GREAT BUSINESSMAN.  The guy is all smoke and mirrors and his cult followers believe any non sense.  Today he said he got tortured in the fulton county jail, lmfaooooo.  Yup the secret services just watched it happen, but it doesnt matter because his uneducated cult followers will be this non sense.  This coming from the clown who ragged on McCain for being tortured. This guy is sick being belief.

    The trump cult followers kids, kids,kids will be paying for those rich peoples tax cuts, then again majority of the cult followers dont actually work jobs, they just get drunk and shoot beer cans with their bump stock guns

     

    The fiscal policies of the Trump administration added twice the amount to the national deficit as have President Biden’s, a new analysis has found.

    Trump’s administration borrowed $8.4 trillion during the former president’s time in office, while Biden has borrowed $4.3 trillion, according to an analysis by the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (CRFB), a Washington think tank.

    Ignoring the pandemic relief measures enacted by both presidents, the proportion of debt addition still holds around 2-to-1, with former President Trump adding $4.8 trillion in non-pandemic-aid fiscal debt and Biden adding $2.2 trillion.

    Those additions were mostly due to the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), changes to the Affordable Care Act, and different budgetary acts in 2018 and 2019.

    Most of Biden’s non-pandemic-related additions were due to the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, student debt relief, appropriations bills and other executive actions.

    The two parties add to the debt in different ways, with Republicans doing it mostly through bipartisan legislation and Democrats doing it more through executive actions, a preview of future work, the CRFB says.

    Seventy-seven percent of the Trump administration’s additions to the national debt were attributable to bipartisan legislation, while 23 percent came from bills with little to no bipartisan support.

    For the Biden administration, 29 percent of additional debt has come from bipartisan laws, while 71 percent came from unilateral decisions.

    Both Trump and Biden spent their first two years in office with their parties in control of both chambers of Congress before the House flipped during the midterm elections of each of their terms.

    Budgetary pressures have intensified over the course of the Biden administration as the deficit ballooned following the fiscal measures passed in the wake of the pandemic.

    U.S. debt increased by more than $3 trillion between the first and second quarters of 2020 and has risen more steeply in recent years than in those prior to the pandemic. Total debt stands at around $34.5 trillion.

    As a percentage of gross domestic product, U.S. debts have settled on a new plateau around 120 percent versus the 100 percent prior to 2020.

    Revenue-raising measures are currently under consideration by both parties ahead of individual tax cut expirations in the TCJA scheduled for the end of 2025.

    The parties are drawing lines in the sand now about the scope and style of tax code changes, with key Democrats and Republicans on financial and tax-writing committees laying out signposts about where they think U.S. revenue architecture should be headed.

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    TRUMP IS SUCH A GREAT BUSINESSMAN.  The guy is all smoke and mirrors and his cult followers believe any non sense.  Today he said he got tortured in the fulton county jail, lmfaooooo.  Yup the secret services just watched it happen, but it doesnt matter because his uneducated cult followers will be this non sense.  This coming from the clown who ragged on McCain for being tortured. This guy is sick being belief.

    The trump cult followers kids, kids,kids will be paying for those rich peoples tax cuts, then again majority of the cult followers dont actually work jobs, they just get drunk and shoot beer cans with their bump stock guns

     

    The fiscal policies of the Trump administration added twice the amount to the national deficit as have President Biden’s, a new analysis has found.

    Trump’s administration borrowed $8.4 trillion during the former president’s time in office, while Biden has borrowed $4.3 trillion, according to an analysis by the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (CRFB), a Washington think tank.

    Ignoring the pandemic relief measures enacted by both presidents, the proportion of debt addition still holds around 2-to-1, with former President Trump adding $4.8 trillion in non-pandemic-aid fiscal debt and Biden adding $2.2 trillion.

    Those additions were mostly due to the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), changes to the Affordable Care Act, and different budgetary acts in 2018 and 2019.

    Most of Biden’s non-pandemic-related additions were due to the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, student debt relief, appropriations bills and other executive actions.

    The two parties add to the debt in different ways, with Republicans doing it mostly through bipartisan legislation and Democrats doing it more through executive actions, a preview of future work, the CRFB says.

    Seventy-seven percent of the Trump administration’s additions to the national debt were attributable to bipartisan legislation, while 23 percent came from bills with little to no bipartisan support.

    For the Biden administration, 29 percent of additional debt has come from bipartisan laws, while 71 percent came from unilateral decisions.

    Both Trump and Biden spent their first two years in office with their parties in control of both chambers of Congress before the House flipped during the midterm elections of each of their terms.

    Budgetary pressures have intensified over the course of the Biden administration as the deficit ballooned following the fiscal measures passed in the wake of the pandemic.

    U.S. debt increased by more than $3 trillion between the first and second quarters of 2020 and has risen more steeply in recent years than in those prior to the pandemic. Total debt stands at around $34.5 trillion.

    As a percentage of gross domestic product, U.S. debts have settled on a new plateau around 120 percent versus the 100 percent prior to 2020.

    Revenue-raising measures are currently under consideration by both parties ahead of individual tax cut expirations in the TCJA scheduled for the end of 2025.

    The parties are drawing lines in the sand now about the scope and style of tax code changes, with key Democrats and Republicans on financial and tax-writing committees laying out signposts about where they think U.S. revenue architecture should be headed.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @StumpTownStu    Its a gift for what...did someone leave flowers on the table, did a machine wheel over and play you a tune, what is this GIFT for? A GIFT is for free it is not for any service rendered when you go to a restaurant. A tip is for a service rendered, they bring you food answer questions we used to cash the ticket out for the customer, deliver wine service, wipe messy slob customer table between courses, bring out A1 sauce for your well done steak and an extra spoon when you drop it on the floor. You are gifting for their service.  What is your view that some states pay tipped service workers 2 bucks an hour? Is that a reasonable wage? Is it your problem that this state mandates 2 buck an hour min wage for service? Would you rather have a restaurant raise your menu prices and then any old slob under skilled twerp comes and drops your food off and never to be seen again? Service for me was a demanding job I was running my BUTT off to service the whining complaining time sensitive rude customers who felt entitled for going to a fine restaurant and had the expectation of class and refinement from the service staff. We wore pressed shirts, bow tie, classy pants and shoes, same goes for many nicer restaurants. Yeah those guys deserve 11 bucks an hour like AZ mandates or the 2 that the other state mandates, its not meant to be a long term job and who cares if they have any skills at servicing, its no different than going to McDonalds and hoping for the best. True servers are professional at what they do and they work harder than many software engineers and work is work, when I go out I hold the HIGHEST regard for the service staff because I know what a brutal job it is and how there are so many selfish, rude and entitled customers they have to deal with.

    My Parents owned a restaurant in the 80's and they paid whatever the min wage was at the time, when they didnt have to.  They felt it was wrong to get free labor from people, that were helping them to make money.  Seeing people still getting paid below min wage still today is flat out disgusting and i have no use for places that do this. I will give my money to business owners who are decent people, the others can go fuck themselves

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    @StumpTownStu    Its a gift for what...did someone leave flowers on the table, did a machine wheel over and play you a tune, what is this GIFT for? A GIFT is for free it is not for any service rendered when you go to a restaurant. A tip is for a service rendered, they bring you food answer questions we used to cash the ticket out for the customer, deliver wine service, wipe messy slob customer table between courses, bring out A1 sauce for your well done steak and an extra spoon when you drop it on the floor. You are gifting for their service.  What is your view that some states pay tipped service workers 2 bucks an hour? Is that a reasonable wage? Is it your problem that this state mandates 2 buck an hour min wage for service? Would you rather have a restaurant raise your menu prices and then any old slob under skilled twerp comes and drops your food off and never to be seen again? Service for me was a demanding job I was running my BUTT off to service the whining complaining time sensitive rude customers who felt entitled for going to a fine restaurant and had the expectation of class and refinement from the service staff. We wore pressed shirts, bow tie, classy pants and shoes, same goes for many nicer restaurants. Yeah those guys deserve 11 bucks an hour like AZ mandates or the 2 that the other state mandates, its not meant to be a long term job and who cares if they have any skills at servicing, its no different than going to McDonalds and hoping for the best. True servers are professional at what they do and they work harder than many software engineers and work is work, when I go out I hold the HIGHEST regard for the service staff because I know what a brutal job it is and how there are so many selfish, rude and entitled customers they have to deal with.

    My Parents owned a restaurant in the 80's and they paid whatever the min wage was at the time, when they didnt have to.  They felt it was wrong to get free labor from people, that were helping them to make money.  Seeing people still getting paid below min wage still today is flat out disgusting and i have no use for places that do this. I will give my money to business owners who are decent people, the others can go fuck themselves

     
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     It is hard work, no doubt. I remember the days as well. the point I was trying to make was with regard to tips. If the States all mandated no less than minimum wage per hour instead of offsetting their minimum wage to factor in what will or may be paid in tips then the whole tips situations becomes much more clearer. Many States still allow offsetting of minimum wage and that should be changed. Paying someone $5.00 per hour because they will be paid more than minimum wage when you factor in tip wages is not a good way of looking at it. Pay minimum wage and let patrons tip or not tip knowing that their server is being paid no less than minimum wage for every hour they work. That's fair. My point was that in California you have to pay ALL employees the States minimum wage regardless of whether you are tipped or not. That just supplements their hourly wage instead of adding those tips monies into their wage and dividing it by the hours one works to determine if minimum wage for the State was made. States should change that policy and pay no less than minimum wage per hour without any factor of tips involved. This way, tips are not as big of a deal because the worker is getting paid the proper per hour wage.

     

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     It is hard work, no doubt. I remember the days as well. the point I was trying to make was with regard to tips. If the States all mandated no less than minimum wage per hour instead of offsetting their minimum wage to factor in what will or may be paid in tips then the whole tips situations becomes much more clearer. Many States still allow offsetting of minimum wage and that should be changed. Paying someone $5.00 per hour because they will be paid more than minimum wage when you factor in tip wages is not a good way of looking at it. Pay minimum wage and let patrons tip or not tip knowing that their server is being paid no less than minimum wage for every hour they work. That's fair. My point was that in California you have to pay ALL employees the States minimum wage regardless of whether you are tipped or not. That just supplements their hourly wage instead of adding those tips monies into their wage and dividing it by the hours one works to determine if minimum wage for the State was made. States should change that policy and pay no less than minimum wage per hour without any factor of tips involved. This way, tips are not as big of a deal because the worker is getting paid the proper per hour wage.

     

     
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     peace_5

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    @cd329

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    @wallstreetcappers   I'll never "minimize" anyone's job......the point is that the norm for the serving industry is that most do NOT make a career of it. It is, by & large, minimum wage work.  In a two-income family it can work. But I only know of one person that is making a living out of serving....a bartender. The tip-credit law in the west is much more equitable for the servers, especially in states like WA, where the state min. wage far exceeds the national. It wasn't that way years ago, so I'll concede that I'm not up to date with current laws.  It also explains why the menu prices have jumped substantially around here, & why the few mom-pop restaurants that didn't serve alcohol have vanished.

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    @wallstreetcappers   I'll never "minimize" anyone's job......the point is that the norm for the serving industry is that most do NOT make a career of it. It is, by & large, minimum wage work.  In a two-income family it can work. But I only know of one person that is making a living out of serving....a bartender. The tip-credit law in the west is much more equitable for the servers, especially in states like WA, where the state min. wage far exceeds the national. It wasn't that way years ago, so I'll concede that I'm not up to date with current laws.  It also explains why the menu prices have jumped substantially around here, & why the few mom-pop restaurants that didn't serve alcohol have vanished.

    your only update to what your orange idol tells you, even its total bullshit and lies.

     
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     The reason for cheap skate server wages is that this gives the business pretty much free service staff, little cost to have servers directly to them so businesses like having a 2 buck an hour service wage and the one state hasnt changed it in decades..it services the businesses and puts the responsibility onto the customer.

    I had some service friends who did not properly balance their tax liability because the 2 an hour didnt cover tax responsibility at all. Some of the service staff got their medical coverage through the restaurant and needed to pay premiums to the establishment so that meant after paying premiums and a fee that the establishment charged for discounted meals they had nothing left of the 2 per hour and they were delinquent on FICA and Medicare taxes let alone federal and state taxes. Some were behind several years in taxes and had to legally deal with the problems. The 2 per hour benefit to the restaurant was a noose for the employee, I didnt have that issue I didnt need the medical coverage so my paltry wages covered my liabilities and I owed a little in fed and state at the end of the year but not the other taxes and no legal issues.

    Having been a server I can tell you that if customers rely on employer wages and do not tip and the place starts being known for it, that wait staff will not work there they will find better higher paying places and service will suffer. I think it does more good for the employee to be motivated to make better tips than to give a guaranteed wage that is capped and your extra efforts do not reward, you want people to aspire to more and having potential upside on tips that has magnitude does that.

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     The reason for cheap skate server wages is that this gives the business pretty much free service staff, little cost to have servers directly to them so businesses like having a 2 buck an hour service wage and the one state hasnt changed it in decades..it services the businesses and puts the responsibility onto the customer.

    I had some service friends who did not properly balance their tax liability because the 2 an hour didnt cover tax responsibility at all. Some of the service staff got their medical coverage through the restaurant and needed to pay premiums to the establishment so that meant after paying premiums and a fee that the establishment charged for discounted meals they had nothing left of the 2 per hour and they were delinquent on FICA and Medicare taxes let alone federal and state taxes. Some were behind several years in taxes and had to legally deal with the problems. The 2 per hour benefit to the restaurant was a noose for the employee, I didnt have that issue I didnt need the medical coverage so my paltry wages covered my liabilities and I owed a little in fed and state at the end of the year but not the other taxes and no legal issues.

    Having been a server I can tell you that if customers rely on employer wages and do not tip and the place starts being known for it, that wait staff will not work there they will find better higher paying places and service will suffer. I think it does more good for the employee to be motivated to make better tips than to give a guaranteed wage that is capped and your extra efforts do not reward, you want people to aspire to more and having potential upside on tips that has magnitude does that.

     
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     they just get drunk and shoot beer cans with their bump stock guns

     

    What is a "bump stock gun" exactly ??  What are you describing here why are you attributing it to solely Trump supporters ??  

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     they just get drunk and shoot beer cans with their bump stock guns

     

    What is a "bump stock gun" exactly ??  What are you describing here why are you attributing it to solely Trump supporters ??  

     
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    @cd329  they just get drunk and shoot beer cans with their bump stock guns   What is a "bump stock gun" exactly ??  What are you describing here why are you attributing it to solely Trump supporters ??

     

    Typical maga troll.  yeah i meant bump stock for their guns.  Cause this is really something any person needs.  Why dont you head down to florida and you can wax trumps limo for him or other objectsan_baby

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    @cd329  they just get drunk and shoot beer cans with their bump stock guns   What is a "bump stock gun" exactly ??  What are you describing here why are you attributing it to solely Trump supporters ??

     

    Typical maga troll.  yeah i meant bump stock for their guns.  Cause this is really something any person needs.  Why dont you head down to florida and you can wax trumps limo for him or other objectsan_baby

     
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    @ABooksNightmare  I think everyone should be forced to be a server at Olive Garden or Chili's or Dennys before they can start a "real" career. People who have served have a completely different perspective than ANY replies I see here. Service is harder than any other job I ever had it was physically demanding, psychologically demanding and very draining. I still have service nightmares and its been a long long time since I was in the industry. Service requires pace, skill, agility, patience, physical fitness and did I say patience?  People that suggest servers are min wage workers have never been servers and never been in the position of dealing with the public. Same goes for QSR jobs...people in the general public are so thankless and obtuse to understand the stress and strain a demanding time sensitive customer facing job is. If you or anyone here would actually go and work a server job for six months full time I promise you these really crappy comments would not come to mind. I never go out because I can make most things better and cheaper than nearly any place I would consider but the few times I have my mind is in server mode I am watching everything as if I was a server and once someone has served it never leaves your brain, its engrained and you are forever changed. I still keep in good contact with several servers I worked with back in college and many are still serving and still grinding and punishing their body, their hips, wrists, knees, feet it is very very very hard work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @ABooksNightmare  I think everyone should be forced to be a server at Olive Garden or Chili's or Dennys before they can start a "real" career. People who have served have a completely different perspective than ANY replies I see here. Service is harder than any other job I ever had it was physically demanding, psychologically demanding and very draining. I still have service nightmares and its been a long long time since I was in the industry. Service requires pace, skill, agility, patience, physical fitness and did I say patience?  People that suggest servers are min wage workers have never been servers and never been in the position of dealing with the public. Same goes for QSR jobs...people in the general public are so thankless and obtuse to understand the stress and strain a demanding time sensitive customer facing job is. If you or anyone here would actually go and work a server job for six months full time I promise you these really crappy comments would not come to mind. I never go out because I can make most things better and cheaper than nearly any place I would consider but the few times I have my mind is in server mode I am watching everything as if I was a server and once someone has served it never leaves your brain, its engrained and you are forever changed. I still keep in good contact with several servers I worked with back in college and many are still serving and still grinding and punishing their body, their hips, wrists, knees, feet it is very very very hard work.

    My wifes first job was at denys

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: @ABooksNightmare  I think everyone should be forced to be a server at Olive Garden or Chili's or Dennys before they can start a "real" career. People who have served have a completely different perspective than ANY replies I see here. Service is harder than any other job I ever had it was physically demanding, psychologically demanding and very draining. I still have service nightmares and its been a long long time since I was in the industry. Service requires pace, skill, agility, patience, physical fitness and did I say patience?  People that suggest servers are min wage workers have never been servers and never been in the position of dealing with the public. Same goes for QSR jobs...people in the general public are so thankless and obtuse to understand the stress and strain a demanding time sensitive customer facing job is. If you or anyone here would actually go and work a server job for six months full time I promise you these really crappy comments would not come to mind. I never go out because I can make most things better and cheaper than nearly any place I would consider but the few times I have my mind is in server mode I am watching everything as if I was a server and once someone has served it never leaves your brain, its engrained and you are forever changed. I still keep in good contact with several servers I worked with back in college and many are still serving and still grinding and punishing their body, their hips, wrists, knees, feet it is very very very hard work. My wifes first job was at denys

     

    pretty sure it’s Denny’s but you do you kool-aid drinking man

     

    also if restaurants charged slightly higher prices for their meals and acknowledged tips were now optional then a minimum wage would not make a single service industry worker quit their job. People would gladly pay an extra $2-$3 per plate and still tip 10-20% (I tip way more usually 30-50 because wsc isn’t the only ex-server on this forum) 

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    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: @ABooksNightmare  I think everyone should be forced to be a server at Olive Garden or Chili's or Dennys before they can start a "real" career. People who have served have a completely different perspective than ANY replies I see here. Service is harder than any other job I ever had it was physically demanding, psychologically demanding and very draining. I still have service nightmares and its been a long long time since I was in the industry. Service requires pace, skill, agility, patience, physical fitness and did I say patience?  People that suggest servers are min wage workers have never been servers and never been in the position of dealing with the public. Same goes for QSR jobs...people in the general public are so thankless and obtuse to understand the stress and strain a demanding time sensitive customer facing job is. If you or anyone here would actually go and work a server job for six months full time I promise you these really crappy comments would not come to mind. I never go out because I can make most things better and cheaper than nearly any place I would consider but the few times I have my mind is in server mode I am watching everything as if I was a server and once someone has served it never leaves your brain, its engrained and you are forever changed. I still keep in good contact with several servers I worked with back in college and many are still serving and still grinding and punishing their body, their hips, wrists, knees, feet it is very very very hard work. My wifes first job was at denys

     

    pretty sure it’s Denny’s but you do you kool-aid drinking man

     

    also if restaurants charged slightly higher prices for their meals and acknowledged tips were now optional then a minimum wage would not make a single service industry worker quit their job. People would gladly pay an extra $2-$3 per plate and still tip 10-20% (I tip way more usually 30-50 because wsc isn’t the only ex-server on this forum) 

     
     
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     A lot of companies do not report tips as income and allow employees to handle, but the tips are supposed to be reported to the employer and the employer is to gross up those earnings and tax accordingly. When tax is too much for the gross up then there is a tip differential that is carried over and is supposed to be reported on the W2. We find that businesses do not like tips to be reported. And when tips are not reported by the employee the company is to account for what is called allocated tips. It's a percentage that each state puts on a business that is tip oriented. This is then reported to the Fed & State showing what the employee should have reported for tips but failed to do so. This is supposed to take the burden off the company and put it onto the employee. The allocated tips percentage is always way less than what most people tip. Right now it is 8% of gross receipts. That's what eh IRS states should have been reported for tips by the employee. Fairly reasonable.

     

    The problem is that employers don't like dealing with tips because those are wages taxed. Meaning, the employer has to pay in unemployment and match FICA and Medicare. They avoid this by not reporting tips until they get caught.

     

    We had a client come to us after they got busted by the IRS and they were fined heavily for not reporting tips and this was in California. We got them straightened out and told them what they needed to do and they stayed with us for a few years and then bailed. Not sure what happened to them after they left us. They were a gentlemen's club and not even a restaurant....so essentially the dancers, servers and bartenders were not handling tips correctly and the company was turning a blind eye...IRS said not so fast and pulled the "G" string out from under em...

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     A lot of companies do not report tips as income and allow employees to handle, but the tips are supposed to be reported to the employer and the employer is to gross up those earnings and tax accordingly. When tax is too much for the gross up then there is a tip differential that is carried over and is supposed to be reported on the W2. We find that businesses do not like tips to be reported. And when tips are not reported by the employee the company is to account for what is called allocated tips. It's a percentage that each state puts on a business that is tip oriented. This is then reported to the Fed & State showing what the employee should have reported for tips but failed to do so. This is supposed to take the burden off the company and put it onto the employee. The allocated tips percentage is always way less than what most people tip. Right now it is 8% of gross receipts. That's what eh IRS states should have been reported for tips by the employee. Fairly reasonable.

     

    The problem is that employers don't like dealing with tips because those are wages taxed. Meaning, the employer has to pay in unemployment and match FICA and Medicare. They avoid this by not reporting tips until they get caught.

     

    We had a client come to us after they got busted by the IRS and they were fined heavily for not reporting tips and this was in California. We got them straightened out and told them what they needed to do and they stayed with us for a few years and then bailed. Not sure what happened to them after they left us. They were a gentlemen's club and not even a restaurant....so essentially the dancers, servers and bartenders were not handling tips correctly and the company was turning a blind eye...IRS said not so fast and pulled the "G" string out from under em...

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