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    Posted: May. 6, 2025 - 10:10 PM ET #426

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    The President can use IEEPA to impose tariffs, embargoes, and other economic measures. .

    No tariffs specified in sanctions of IEEPA which include penalties and asset blocking.  For examples, prohibiting transactions and freezing assets. Except for Trump overreach, no other president imposes tariffs on imports under IEEPA.  Instead they turn to other laws to impose tariffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    The President can use IEEPA to impose tariffs, embargoes, and other economic measures. .

    No tariffs specified in sanctions of IEEPA which include penalties and asset blocking.  For examples, prohibiting transactions and freezing assets. Except for Trump overreach, no other president imposes tariffs on imports under IEEPA.  Instead they turn to other laws to impose tariffs.

     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2025 - 11:29 PM ET #427

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    [ Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: The President can use IEEPA to impose tariffs, embargoes, and other economic measures. . No tariffs specified in sanctions of IEEPA which include penalties and asset blocking.  For examples, prohibiting transactions and freezing assets. Except for Trump overreach, no other president imposes tariffs on imports under IEEPA.  Instead they turn to other laws to impose tariffs.

    Of course they are a part of the arsenal.

    It is not like it is something that should be used with every President.  It is also fairly new and a clarification, of sorts, on the Act that has been used to implement tariffs.

     

    Although IEEPA has never previously been used to impose tariffs, in 1971, former President Richard M. Nixon used the similarly worded Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917 (TWEA), upon which IEEPA was based, to impose a 10% tariff on all imports into the United States in response to a monetary crisis.

     

    If Congress approves of these tariffs, no further action is needed by Congress to keep the tariffs in place. If Congress disapproves of these tariffs, it has several options for expressing that disapproval.

    So, again, the new Act is for clarification so it will not be totally whimsical.  But if Congress disagrees with them, they can act.  As much as even a lot of Republicans so not like him, they would act if they did not agree.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    [ Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: The President can use IEEPA to impose tariffs, embargoes, and other economic measures. . No tariffs specified in sanctions of IEEPA which include penalties and asset blocking.  For examples, prohibiting transactions and freezing assets. Except for Trump overreach, no other president imposes tariffs on imports under IEEPA.  Instead they turn to other laws to impose tariffs.

    Of course they are a part of the arsenal.

    It is not like it is something that should be used with every President.  It is also fairly new and a clarification, of sorts, on the Act that has been used to implement tariffs.

     

    Although IEEPA has never previously been used to impose tariffs, in 1971, former President Richard M. Nixon used the similarly worded Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917 (TWEA), upon which IEEPA was based, to impose a 10% tariff on all imports into the United States in response to a monetary crisis.

     

    If Congress approves of these tariffs, no further action is needed by Congress to keep the tariffs in place. If Congress disapproves of these tariffs, it has several options for expressing that disapproval.

    So, again, the new Act is for clarification so it will not be totally whimsical.  But if Congress disagrees with them, they can act.  As much as even a lot of Republicans so not like him, they would act if they did not agree.

     

     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2025 - 11:33 PM ET #428

    The bottom line is that folks do not even think there is a concern.  
    So, they do not see this as a fix.  
    If they do see a problem and do not like what he is trying to do — they have no alternative solutions.  
    peace_5

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    The bottom line is that folks do not even think there is a concern.  
    So, they do not see this as a fix.  
    If they do see a problem and do not like what he is trying to do — they have no alternative solutions.  
    peace_5

     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2025 - 4:26 PM ET #429

    Florida farmers are already feeling the pain & are plowing tomatoes rather than picking them. Even though they have work visas, workers have fled the state in fear they will be illegally picked up & deported. Farmers in Homestead normally sell a box of tomatoes for $16 but now are selling them for $3 or $4. It costs $11 to produce a box. Even with the tariff, Mexico is flooding the market & Florida farmers can no longer compete.

    Watermelon farmers have been told by their Canadian customers are getting their product from Mexico as long as the 25% tariff is in place. They are worried about the future of their farms.

    I'm sure farmers across the country are feeling the pain as well with no relief in sight.

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    Florida farmers are already feeling the pain & are plowing tomatoes rather than picking them. Even though they have work visas, workers have fled the state in fear they will be illegally picked up & deported. Farmers in Homestead normally sell a box of tomatoes for $16 but now are selling them for $3 or $4. It costs $11 to produce a box. Even with the tariff, Mexico is flooding the market & Florida farmers can no longer compete.

    Watermelon farmers have been told by their Canadian customers are getting their product from Mexico as long as the 25% tariff is in place. They are worried about the future of their farms.

    I'm sure farmers across the country are feeling the pain as well with no relief in sight.

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    Posted: May. 7, 2025 - 4:38 PM ET #430

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Florida farmers are already feeling the pain & are plowing tomatoes rather than picking them. Even though they have work visas, workers have fled the state in fear they will be illegally picked up & deported. Farmers in Homestead normally sell a box of tomatoes for $16 but now are selling them for $3 or $4. It costs $11 to produce a box. Even with the tariff, Mexico is flooding the market & Florida farmers can no longer compete. Watermelon farmers have been told by their Canadian customers are getting their product from Mexico as long as the 25% tariff is in place. They are worried about the future of their farms. I'm sure farmers across the country are feeling the pain as well with no relief in sight.

     

    Unfortunate to say the least and it's really only starting...

    Those of us who support Democracy and the Constitution tried to warn of such events.

    But der unehrenhafter Trottel in the Oval has declared he is right and when der Führer of the GOP says it by his royal decree then that's the way it will be...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Florida farmers are already feeling the pain & are plowing tomatoes rather than picking them. Even though they have work visas, workers have fled the state in fear they will be illegally picked up & deported. Farmers in Homestead normally sell a box of tomatoes for $16 but now are selling them for $3 or $4. It costs $11 to produce a box. Even with the tariff, Mexico is flooding the market & Florida farmers can no longer compete. Watermelon farmers have been told by their Canadian customers are getting their product from Mexico as long as the 25% tariff is in place. They are worried about the future of their farms. I'm sure farmers across the country are feeling the pain as well with no relief in sight.

     

    Unfortunate to say the least and it's really only starting...

    Those of us who support Democracy and the Constitution tried to warn of such events.

    But der unehrenhafter Trottel in the Oval has declared he is right and when der Führer of the GOP says it by his royal decree then that's the way it will be...

     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2025 - 10:20 PM ET #431

    Donnie No Deals plan for us all is to buy less and pay more.

    HAIL THE THIEF!

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    Donnie No Deals plan for us all is to buy less and pay more.

    HAIL THE THIEF!

     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2025 - 11:01 PM ET #432

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Donnie No Deals plan for us all is to buy less and pay more. HAIL THE THIEF!

     

    "LET THEM EAT CAKE!"

    - der unehrenhafter Trottel in the Oval

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Donnie No Deals plan for us all is to buy less and pay more. HAIL THE THIEF!

     

    "LET THEM EAT CAKE!"

    - der unehrenhafter Trottel in the Oval

     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2025 - 12:12 AM ET #433

    They asked him today if he would lower tariffs on baby products to help families and donny no deals said he would have to think about it.  When will people realize this guy does not care about you at all.  Its all about donny all the time.  ME ME ME ME ME ME

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    They asked him today if he would lower tariffs on baby products to help families and donny no deals said he would have to think about it.  When will people realize this guy does not care about you at all.  Its all about donny all the time.  ME ME ME ME ME ME

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2025 - 6:02 AM ET #434

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Donnie No Deals plan for us all is to buy less and pay more. HAIL THE THIEF!

    10% tariffs remain although United kingdom is in the best position to be the first country to quickly reach US trade deal.  This suggests deals with bigger trading partners are likely harder to achieve and higher tariffs are here to stay.  Oxford economics expect US economic growth to slow in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Donnie No Deals plan for us all is to buy less and pay more. HAIL THE THIEF!

    10% tariffs remain although United kingdom is in the best position to be the first country to quickly reach US trade deal.  This suggests deals with bigger trading partners are likely harder to achieve and higher tariffs are here to stay.  Oxford economics expect US economic growth to slow in the future.

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2025 - 5:17 PM ET #435

    Trump now says he wants to lower the china tariffs down to 80 percent for the weekend meeting lmfaooooooooooooooooooooo

    Pussyboy aint got no more balls.  Hes all talk, always has been. If i was china i would tell trump he can take that 80 percent tariff and stick it where the sun never shines.  Trump needs to be taught a lesson by all the other countries in the world and made a fool of. 

    Trump: 

    "were gonna have so much money coming in from the tariffs, we wont know what to do with it all"

    total ass clown

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    Trump now says he wants to lower the china tariffs down to 80 percent for the weekend meeting lmfaooooooooooooooooooooo

    Pussyboy aint got no more balls.  Hes all talk, always has been. If i was china i would tell trump he can take that 80 percent tariff and stick it where the sun never shines.  Trump needs to be taught a lesson by all the other countries in the world and made a fool of. 

    Trump: 

    "were gonna have so much money coming in from the tariffs, we wont know what to do with it all"

    total ass clown

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2025 - 7:03 PM ET #436

    "Trump now says he wants to lower the china tariffs down to 80 percent for the weekend meeting"

    Art of the deal.............

    Tax em sky high and then make them think they are getting a deal by lowering it to 80% ...80% lol

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    "Trump now says he wants to lower the china tariffs down to 80 percent for the weekend meeting"

    Art of the deal.............

    Tax em sky high and then make them think they are getting a deal by lowering it to 80% ...80% lol

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2025 - 7:43 PM ET #437

    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

    They asked him today if he would lower tariffs on baby products to help families and donny no deals said he would have to think about it.  When will people realize this guy does not care about you at all.  Its all about donny all the time.  ME ME ME ME ME ME

    @cd329

     We already realize this.  It's the maga cult who haven't a friggin clue

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    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

    They asked him today if he would lower tariffs on baby products to help families and donny no deals said he would have to think about it.  When will people realize this guy does not care about you at all.  Its all about donny all the time.  ME ME ME ME ME ME

    @cd329

     We already realize this.  It's the maga cult who haven't a friggin clue

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2025 - 9:23 PM ET #438

    "We already realize this. It's the maga cult who haven't a friggin clue"

     

    Imagine...over 50 Million people ( MAGA movement) that are going around out there without a CLUE....

    Walking among us,driving next to us and even commingling with some of us..

    At the same time the MAGA Movement is growing ...

     

    Also,it's alarming to read  

    President Donald Trump’s “Make America Great Again” movement is resonating with a growing number of Americans, a recent NBC News poll found...36% ID'd as Maga  ..the same survey  2023 showed only 23%ID"d as MAGA  ..More clueless people

     

     

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    "We already realize this. It's the maga cult who haven't a friggin clue"

     

    Imagine...over 50 Million people ( MAGA movement) that are going around out there without a CLUE....

    Walking among us,driving next to us and even commingling with some of us..

    At the same time the MAGA Movement is growing ...

     

    Also,it's alarming to read  

    President Donald Trump’s “Make America Great Again” movement is resonating with a growing number of Americans, a recent NBC News poll found...36% ID'd as Maga  ..the same survey  2023 showed only 23%ID"d as MAGA  ..More clueless people

     

     

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2025 - 10:55 PM ET #439

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Quote Originally Posted by cd329: They asked him today if he would lower tariffs on baby products to help families and donny no deals said he would have to think about it.  When will people realize this guy does not care about you at all.  Its all about donny all the time.  ME ME ME ME ME ME @cd329  We already realize this.  It's the maga cult who haven't a friggin clue

    @Zeus4par

     

    rump has to think about the safety of infants  confused

     

     

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Quote Originally Posted by cd329: They asked him today if he would lower tariffs on baby products to help families and donny no deals said he would have to think about it.  When will people realize this guy does not care about you at all.  Its all about donny all the time.  ME ME ME ME ME ME @cd329  We already realize this.  It's the maga cult who haven't a friggin clue

    @Zeus4par

     

    rump has to think about the safety of infants  confused

     

     

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2025 - 11:49 PM ET #440

    "They asked him today if he would lower tariffs on baby products to help families and donny no deals said he would have to think about it"

    The President did not say he wouldn't lower tariffs on baby products..

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    "They asked him today if he would lower tariffs on baby products to help families and donny no deals said he would have to think about it"

    The President did not say he wouldn't lower tariffs on baby products..

     
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    Posted: May. 10, 2025 - 12:00 AM ET #441

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    "They asked him today if he would lower tariffs on baby products to help families and donny no deals said he would have to think about it" The President did not say he wouldn't lower tariffs on baby products..

    Learn to read.  I didnt say he wouldnt lower the tariffs on baby products.  I wrote what he said when asked that question ' He said he would have to think about it"

    So keep up your useless trolling on me, doesnt bother me.  Magas dont bother me one bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    "They asked him today if he would lower tariffs on baby products to help families and donny no deals said he would have to think about it" The President did not say he wouldn't lower tariffs on baby products..

    Learn to read.  I didnt say he wouldnt lower the tariffs on baby products.  I wrote what he said when asked that question ' He said he would have to think about it"

    So keep up your useless trolling on me, doesnt bother me.  Magas dont bother me one bit

     
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    President Trump was right in saying he would have to think about it. ....he does not want to carve out too many exceptions..it would defeat the use of the tariffs ..

     

    More than 70% of baby gear sold in the U.S. is manufactured in China, that includes 97% of strollers and 87% of car seats.

    Hold those tariffs on China and some American will start manufacturing those strollers and baby car seats ...here in this country for less...

     

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    President Trump was right in saying he would have to think about it. ....he does not want to carve out too many exceptions..it would defeat the use of the tariffs ..

     

    More than 70% of baby gear sold in the U.S. is manufactured in China, that includes 97% of strollers and 87% of car seats.

    Hold those tariffs on China and some American will start manufacturing those strollers and baby car seats ...here in this country for less...

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    President Trump was right in saying he would have to think about it. ....he does not want to carve out too many exceptions..it would defeat the use of the tariffs ..   More than 70% of baby gear sold in the U.S. is manufactured in China, that includes 97% of strollers and 87% of car seats. Hold those tariffs on China and some American will start manufacturing those strollers and baby car seats ...here in this country for less...

     

    lmfaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo sure they will, at 500.00 a baby seat.  Maga just will never get it, the days of us making things in Our Country cheaply so people can afford the things, is long over with.  Ronald  Reagan destroyed that for us, when he let companies go overseas, now all of us our addicted to cheap stuff.  So you keep living in your trump world.

    Just wait until all the countries around the world gang up and screw us, trumpy will be hiding in bunker when millions storm the whitehouse

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    President Trump was right in saying he would have to think about it. ....he does not want to carve out too many exceptions..it would defeat the use of the tariffs ..   More than 70% of baby gear sold in the U.S. is manufactured in China, that includes 97% of strollers and 87% of car seats. Hold those tariffs on China and some American will start manufacturing those strollers and baby car seats ...here in this country for less...

     

    lmfaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo sure they will, at 500.00 a baby seat.  Maga just will never get it, the days of us making things in Our Country cheaply so people can afford the things, is long over with.  Ronald  Reagan destroyed that for us, when he let companies go overseas, now all of us our addicted to cheap stuff.  So you keep living in your trump world.

    Just wait until all the countries around the world gang up and screw us, trumpy will be hiding in bunker when millions storm the whitehouse

     
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    Slim thejesterYou really don’t get the concept of tariffs - do you? They are consumer taxes - they are used by the world to punish countries that dump the global or local market on specific items - there are two things that needed to be the case for it to work like Trump wants:

     

    1) America needed to be self sufficient or at least pretty quickly could get to that point

    2) The global market should not be able to function without the US market 

     

    neither of those two statements are true - so they won’t work like he wants - almost the entire business model of US is to buy cheap junk from abroad and turn it into expensive junk your allies and population buy from you - and that has worked for decades - you can’t compete with China on their premise of copying and producing cheap junk for starters they are almost 4 times as many people as you guys - and their production culture is older than your country (and they pay their workers maybe 1/20th of what you guys demand)

    Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
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    Slim thejesterYou really don’t get the concept of tariffs - do you? They are consumer taxes - they are used by the world to punish countries that dump the global or local market on specific items - there are two things that needed to be the case for it to work like Trump wants:

     

    1) America needed to be self sufficient or at least pretty quickly could get to that point

    2) The global market should not be able to function without the US market 

     

    neither of those two statements are true - so they won’t work like he wants - almost the entire business model of US is to buy cheap junk from abroad and turn it into expensive junk your allies and population buy from you - and that has worked for decades - you can’t compete with China on their premise of copying and producing cheap junk for starters they are almost 4 times as many people as you guys - and their production culture is older than your country (and they pay their workers maybe 1/20th of what you guys demand)

     
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      Quote Originally Posted by @cd329

    " Just wait until all the countries around the world gang up and screw us, trumpy will be hiding in bunker when millions storm the whitehouse?"

     

    cdnumbers,I don't think it's wise to call for the overthrow of our Government.. ..very dangerous speech...

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      Quote Originally Posted by @cd329

    " Just wait until all the countries around the world gang up and screw us, trumpy will be hiding in bunker when millions storm the whitehouse?"

     

    cdnumbers,I don't think it's wise to call for the overthrow of our Government.. ..very dangerous speech...

     
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    I don’t think it will get overthrown personally I think Trump will enforce the military to keep the public opinion oppressed - while he screw you guys over - that would be the more likely outcome comparing what you experience now with former history events - btw there has been presidents that have been shot in the past that was less controversial than Trump already is - so I think that would already have happened if that were to be the conclusion of his tale - the man is so old he will die of old age in maybe 5-10 years tops anyway

    Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
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    I don’t think it will get overthrown personally I think Trump will enforce the military to keep the public opinion oppressed - while he screw you guys over - that would be the more likely outcome comparing what you experience now with former history events - btw there has been presidents that have been shot in the past that was less controversial than Trump already is - so I think that would already have happened if that were to be the conclusion of his tale - the man is so old he will die of old age in maybe 5-10 years tops anyway

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Quote Originally Posted by @cd329 " Just wait until all the countries around the world gang up and screw us, trumpy will be hiding in bunker when millions storm the whitehouse?"   cdnumbers,I don't think it's wise to call for the overthrow of our Government.. ..very dangerous speech...

     

    Sorry maga slim, am not calling for the over throw of our govt, so stop trying to twist my words.  You are a troll that does the same thing over and over for years.  You really should find something better to do with your time.

    Trump is the one fucking up our country and when the rest of the countries in the world get together and tell trump to pound salt, the folks here are going to become really pissed off at trump for ruining their lives and Country  All those people will converge on the white house looking for don the con.  This just something i think could happen.   I dont want it to happen, but don the con is the only one who can stop this awful outcome from happening.  See i live in the real world and not some fake reality world that all you magas live in. Am sure you probably watch reruns of the apprentice every day thinking what a great businessman trump is an_roll_laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Quote Originally Posted by @cd329 " Just wait until all the countries around the world gang up and screw us, trumpy will be hiding in bunker when millions storm the whitehouse?"   cdnumbers,I don't think it's wise to call for the overthrow of our Government.. ..very dangerous speech...

     

    Sorry maga slim, am not calling for the over throw of our govt, so stop trying to twist my words.  You are a troll that does the same thing over and over for years.  You really should find something better to do with your time.

    Trump is the one fucking up our country and when the rest of the countries in the world get together and tell trump to pound salt, the folks here are going to become really pissed off at trump for ruining their lives and Country  All those people will converge on the white house looking for don the con.  This just something i think could happen.   I dont want it to happen, but don the con is the only one who can stop this awful outcome from happening.  See i live in the real world and not some fake reality world that all you magas live in. Am sure you probably watch reruns of the apprentice every day thinking what a great businessman trump is an_roll_laugh

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Quote Originally Posted by @cd329 " Just wait until all the countries around the world gang up and screw us, trumpy will be hiding in bunker when millions storm the whitehouse?"   cdnumbers,I don't think it's wise to call for the overthrow of our Government.. ..very dangerous speech...

    Sorry maga slim, am not calling for the over throw of our govt, so stop trying to twist my words.  You are a troll that does the same thing over and over for years.  You really should find something better to do with your time.

    Trump is the one fucking up our country and when the rest of the countries in the world get together and tell trump to pound salt, the folks here are going to become really pissed off at trump for ruining their lives and Country  All those people will converge on the white house looking for don the con.  This just something i think could happen. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Quote Originally Posted by @cd329 " Just wait until all the countries around the world gang up and screw us, trumpy will be hiding in bunker when millions storm the whitehouse?"   cdnumbers,I don't think it's wise to call for the overthrow of our Government.. ..very dangerous speech...

    Sorry maga slim, am not calling for the over throw of our govt, so stop trying to twist my words.  You are a troll that does the same thing over and over for years.  You really should find something better to do with your time.

    Trump is the one fucking up our country and when the rest of the countries in the world get together and tell trump to pound salt, the folks here are going to become really pissed off at trump for ruining their lives and Country  All those people will converge on the white house looking for don the con.  This just something i think could happen. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calde13:

    Slim You really don’t get the concept of tariffs - do you? They are consumer taxes - they are used by the world to punish countries that dump the global or local market on specific items - there are two things that needed to be the case for it to work like Trump wants:   1) America needed to be self sufficient or at least pretty quickly could get to that point 2) The global market should not be able to function without the US market    neither of those two statements are true - so they won’t work like he wants - almost the entire business model of US is to buy cheap junk from abroad and turn it into expensive junk your allies and population buy from you - and that has worked for decades - you can’t compete with China on their premise of copying and producing cheap junk for starters they are almost 4 times as many people as you guys - and their production culture is older than your country (and they pay their workers maybe 1/20th of what you guys demand)

    very well put an_clap  magas should read your post a few times, maybe that will help them understand. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calde13:

    Slim You really don’t get the concept of tariffs - do you? They are consumer taxes - they are used by the world to punish countries that dump the global or local market on specific items - there are two things that needed to be the case for it to work like Trump wants:   1) America needed to be self sufficient or at least pretty quickly could get to that point 2) The global market should not be able to function without the US market    neither of those two statements are true - so they won’t work like he wants - almost the entire business model of US is to buy cheap junk from abroad and turn it into expensive junk your allies and population buy from you - and that has worked for decades - you can’t compete with China on their premise of copying and producing cheap junk for starters they are almost 4 times as many people as you guys - and their production culture is older than your country (and they pay their workers maybe 1/20th of what you guys demand)

    very well put an_clap  magas should read your post a few times, maybe that will help them understand. 

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    "We already realize this. It's the maga cult who haven't a friggin clue"   Imagine...over 50 Million people ( MAGA movement) that are going around out there without a CLUE.... Walking among us,driving next to us and even commingling with some of us.. At the same time the MAGA Movement is growing ...   Also,it's alarming to read   President Donald Trump’s “Make America Great Again” movement is resonating with a growing number of Americans, a recent NBC News poll found...36% ID'd as Maga  ..the same survey  2023 showed only 23%ID"d as MAGA  ..More clueless people

    first off anybody that believes in trumps catchy phrase, really are just sheep.  Hate to burst the bubble of all magas across the country but OUR COUNTRY HAS ALWAYS BEEN GREAT AND ALWAYS WILL BE GREAT.  Any person that thinks our country isnt great and only DON THE CON can make it great, please go see a shrink, have a brain mri done, get on some meds but do something because you all are just getting fooled by one of the best con artists ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    "We already realize this. It's the maga cult who haven't a friggin clue"   Imagine...over 50 Million people ( MAGA movement) that are going around out there without a CLUE.... Walking among us,driving next to us and even commingling with some of us.. At the same time the MAGA Movement is growing ...   Also,it's alarming to read   President Donald Trump’s “Make America Great Again” movement is resonating with a growing number of Americans, a recent NBC News poll found...36% ID'd as Maga  ..the same survey  2023 showed only 23%ID"d as MAGA  ..More clueless people

    first off anybody that believes in trumps catchy phrase, really are just sheep.  Hate to burst the bubble of all magas across the country but OUR COUNTRY HAS ALWAYS BEEN GREAT AND ALWAYS WILL BE GREAT.  Any person that thinks our country isnt great and only DON THE CON can make it great, please go see a shrink, have a brain mri done, get on some meds but do something because you all are just getting fooled by one of the best con artists ever.

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