As vaccines and boosters show incredible results, Tucker Carlson declares the trump-vaccines a FAILURE
MEDIA MATTERS - After spending the better part of a year discouraging viewers from getting vaccinated, Fox host Tucker Carlson took to the airwaves on November 29 to *FALSELY CLAIM* that the U.S. has “achieved universal vaccination” and that continued high rates of coronavirus deaths mean the COVID-19 vaccination campaign is allegedly “the greatest public policy failure of all time.”
Fake news for anyone to declare U.S. has "achieved universal vaccination"
But the caveat here is that Carlson did state in the summer that he lies to his viewers on air and previously his personal lawyer argued in his defense something to the effect that no rational person would take anything Carlson says on air seriously.
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
As vaccines and boosters show incredible results, Tucker Carlson declares the trump-vaccines a FAILURE
MEDIA MATTERS - After spending the better part of a year discouraging viewers from getting vaccinated, Fox host Tucker Carlson took to the airwaves on November 29 to *FALSELY CLAIM* that the U.S. has “achieved universal vaccination” and that continued high rates of coronavirus deaths mean the COVID-19 vaccination campaign is allegedly “the greatest public policy failure of all time.”
Fake news for anyone to declare U.S. has "achieved universal vaccination"
But the caveat here is that Carlson did state in the summer that he lies to his viewers on air and previously his personal lawyer argued in his defense something to the effect that no rational person would take anything Carlson says on air seriously.
(Reuters) Dec 10 - A judge in Texas ruled on Thursday that a law prohibiting abortions after about six weeks violated the state's constitution because it allows private citizens to sue abortion providers.
Now what?
(Reuters) Dec 10 - A judge in Texas ruled on Thursday that a law prohibiting abortions after about six weeks violated the state's constitution because it allows private citizens to sue abortion providers.
Fake news for anyone to declare U.S. has "achieved universal vaccination"
But the caveat here is that Carlson did state in the summer that he lies to his viewers on air and previously his personal lawyer argued in his defense something to the effect that no rational person would take anything Carlson says on air seriously.
exactly carlson is a self admitted liar to his own viewers he said so !
"I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:
Fake news for anyone to declare U.S. has "achieved universal vaccination"
But the caveat here is that Carlson did state in the summer that he lies to his viewers on air and previously his personal lawyer argued in his defense something to the effect that no rational person would take anything Carlson says on air seriously.
exactly carlson is a self admitted liar to his own viewers he said so !
(Reuters) Dec 10 - A judge in Texas ruled on Thursday that a law prohibiting abortions after about six weeks violated the state's constitution because it allows private citizens to sue abortion providers. Now what?
scotus has ruled that abortion providers r allowed to legally challenge the texas abortion law
"I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:
(Reuters) Dec 10 - A judge in Texas ruled on Thursday that a law prohibiting abortions after about six weeks violated the state's constitution because it allows private citizens to sue abortion providers. Now what?
scotus has ruled that abortion providers r allowed to legally challenge the texas abortion law
Dumbass trump-worshipper, Sen. Ron Johnson *FALSELY* Claims Mouthwash 'Has Been Proven To Kill The Coronavirus'
It hasn't, but the Wisconsin Republican is still spitting out COVID-19 conspiracy theories.
The total idiot said this: “By the way, standard gargle, mouthwash, has been proven to kill the coronavirus. If you get it, you may reduce viral replication. Why not try all these things?” he said during a telephone town hall with Wisconsin constituents. “It just boggles my mind that the NIH continues to tell people, ‘Do nothing, you know, maybe take Tylenol.’”
Dumbass trump-worshipper, Sen. Ron Johnson *FALSELY* Claims Mouthwash 'Has Been Proven To Kill The Coronavirus'
It hasn't, but the Wisconsin Republican is still spitting out COVID-19 conspiracy theories.
The total idiot said this: “By the way, standard gargle, mouthwash, has been proven to kill the coronavirus. If you get it, you may reduce viral replication. Why not try all these things?” he said during a telephone town hall with Wisconsin constituents. “It just boggles my mind that the NIH continues to tell people, ‘Do nothing, you know, maybe take Tylenol.’”
When did we become a country that can't/won't agree on facts? I do remember Kellyanne first mentioning "alternative facts."
A fact is truth like 2+2 = 4. A fact is not an "interpretation."
It's really not worth the time to converse with those not willing to accept the truth. With the holidays coming up, I'm taking a break from this forum & enjoy my family & friends. It's time to step back from the craziness in this forum.
Namaste!
It's unbelievable.
When did we become a country that can't/won't agree on facts? I do remember Kellyanne first mentioning "alternative facts."
A fact is truth like 2+2 = 4. A fact is not an "interpretation."
It's really not worth the time to converse with those not willing to accept the truth. With the holidays coming up, I'm taking a break from this forum & enjoy my family & friends. It's time to step back from the craziness in this forum.
Sen. Ron Johnson *FALSELY* Claims Mouthwash 'Has Been Proven To Kill The Coronavirus'
Johnson has a long history of spreading dangerous misinformation. He falsely claims that the truth about covid is censored. That vaccinated people spread the virus more than the unvaccinated. That unvaccinated people are demonized and put in internment camps worldwide. He downplays the risks of unvaccinated population and severity of pandemic. He claims that the delta variant is less deadly than past variants. That the cure is worse than the disease. He disputes the effectiveness of masks and social distancing. He lies about the safety and efficacy of vaccines. Instead he promotes the use of unproven and harmful covid treatments despite federal warnings. But his arguments are outdated, incomplete and misleading.
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Sen. Ron Johnson *FALSELY* Claims Mouthwash 'Has Been Proven To Kill The Coronavirus'
Johnson has a long history of spreading dangerous misinformation. He falsely claims that the truth about covid is censored. That vaccinated people spread the virus more than the unvaccinated. That unvaccinated people are demonized and put in internment camps worldwide. He downplays the risks of unvaccinated population and severity of pandemic. He claims that the delta variant is less deadly than past variants. That the cure is worse than the disease. He disputes the effectiveness of masks and social distancing. He lies about the safety and efficacy of vaccines. Instead he promotes the use of unproven and harmful covid treatments despite federal warnings. But his arguments are outdated, incomplete and misleading.
CNN: QAnon pushes dangerous fake child sex trafficking ring conspiracy theory. Also CNN: We've fired a Producer for attempting to persuade parents to allow him to sexually train their daughters, teaching them how to be sexually submissive
EXCELLENT!!!
CNN doing their job to DISMISS those a-holes in their ranks without honor.
Wish FOX NEWS would do the same, starting with the guy who OPENLY & PUBLICLY admitted he lies to his viewers on air.
Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:
CNN: QAnon pushes dangerous fake child sex trafficking ring conspiracy theory. Also CNN: We've fired a Producer for attempting to persuade parents to allow him to sexually train their daughters, teaching them how to be sexually submissive
EXCELLENT!!!
CNN doing their job to DISMISS those a-holes in their ranks without honor.
Wish FOX NEWS would do the same, starting with the guy who OPENLY & PUBLICLY admitted he lies to his viewers on air.
Why are there more American deaths in 2021 than 2020 even though 200,000,000 Americans are vaccinated?
These reasons explain why, beginning with your illogical comparison:
First, the country has been FULLY SATURATED with covid exposure (coast-to-coast, and 99% of all counties) for each month of 2021. That's 11.4 months. More infection means more deaths. On the last day of February, 2020, Trump declared we only had 15 infections. The country was not FULLY SATURATED with covid exposure until late June 2020. A fair comparison must compare the similar conditions: full saturation of covid exposure permeating every corner of the nation. So 11.4 months of full covid saturation across the country obviously means many more deaths than just 6 months of full covid saturation in 2020. Huge difference! This accounts for most of it.
Secondly, deaths from covid occured every month, but the U.S. did not have 200,000,000 vaccinated on January 1, 2021. Any implication that vaccines are worthless, as you are clearly trying to do quoting 200m vaccinated, only works if all were vaccinated on day one. Then you can compare the death counts. Otherwise you are making an illogical apples to oranges comparison.
Third, we can vaccinate thousands against polio, but if they haven't got the vaccine engineered SPECIFICALLY FOR MEASLES then it is very likely they will get the measles infection. So it is with Delta. Nobody in America is vaccinated with a delta-variant vaccine! Delta became the dominant strain in April. Prior to then the vaccines were working very well against the original Wuhan strain. That all changed with Delta. That is another apples vs. oranges argument. Of course there will be more deaths from delta than wuhan because the vaccines are less than 60% efficacy against delta but 95% effective vs the 2020 wuhan strain that they were engineered to combat.
Fourth, the delta variant (2021) is much more transmissible than the original Wuhan strain (2020) and therefore, more infections ultimately means more deaths. 2020 did not have to deal with Delta.
Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:
Why are there more American deaths in 2021 than 2020 even though 200,000,000 Americans are vaccinated?
These reasons explain why, beginning with your illogical comparison:
First, the country has been FULLY SATURATED with covid exposure (coast-to-coast, and 99% of all counties) for each month of 2021. That's 11.4 months. More infection means more deaths. On the last day of February, 2020, Trump declared we only had 15 infections. The country was not FULLY SATURATED with covid exposure until late June 2020. A fair comparison must compare the similar conditions: full saturation of covid exposure permeating every corner of the nation. So 11.4 months of full covid saturation across the country obviously means many more deaths than just 6 months of full covid saturation in 2020. Huge difference! This accounts for most of it.
Secondly, deaths from covid occured every month, but the U.S. did not have 200,000,000 vaccinated on January 1, 2021. Any implication that vaccines are worthless, as you are clearly trying to do quoting 200m vaccinated, only works if all were vaccinated on day one. Then you can compare the death counts. Otherwise you are making an illogical apples to oranges comparison.
Third, we can vaccinate thousands against polio, but if they haven't got the vaccine engineered SPECIFICALLY FOR MEASLES then it is very likely they will get the measles infection. So it is with Delta. Nobody in America is vaccinated with a delta-variant vaccine! Delta became the dominant strain in April. Prior to then the vaccines were working very well against the original Wuhan strain. That all changed with Delta. That is another apples vs. oranges argument. Of course there will be more deaths from delta than wuhan because the vaccines are less than 60% efficacy against delta but 95% effective vs the 2020 wuhan strain that they were engineered to combat.
Fourth, the delta variant (2021) is much more transmissible than the original Wuhan strain (2020) and therefore, more infections ultimately means more deaths. 2020 did not have to deal with Delta.
Why are there more American deaths in 2021 than 2020 even though 200,000,000 Americans are vaccinated?
These reasons explain why, beginning with your illogical comparison:
First, the country has been FULLY SATURATED with covid exposure (coast-to-coast, and 99% of all counties) for each month of 2021. That's 11.4 months. More infection means more deaths. On the last day of February, 2020, Trump declared we only had 15 infections. The country was not FULLY SATURATED with covid exposure until late June 2020. A fair comparison must compare the similar conditions: full saturation of covid exposure permeating every corner of the nation. So 11.4 months of full covid saturation across the country obviously means many more deaths than just 6 months of full covid saturation in 2020. Huge difference! This accounts for most of it.
Secondly, deaths from covid occured every month, but the U.S. did not have 200,000,000 vaccinated on January 1, 2021. Any implication that vaccines are worthless, as you are clearly trying to do quoting 200m vaccinated, only works if all were vaccinated on day one. Then you can compare the death counts. Otherwise you are making an illogical apples to oranges comparison.
Third, we can vaccinate thousands against polio, but if they haven't got the vaccine engineered SPECIFICALLY FOR MEASLES then it is very likely they will get the measles infection. So it is with Delta. Nobody in America is vaccinated with a delta-variant vaccine! Delta became the dominant strain in April. Prior to then the vaccines were working very well against the original Wuhan strain. That all changed with Delta. That is another apples vs. oranges argument. Of course there will be more deaths from delta than wuhan because the vaccines are less than 60% efficacy against delta but 95% effective vs the 2020 wuhan strain that they were engineered to combat.
Fourth, the delta variant (2021) is much more transmissible than the original Wuhan strain (2020) and therefore, more infections ultimately means more deaths. 2020 did not have to deal with Delta.
Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:
Why are there more American deaths in 2021 than 2020 even though 200,000,000 Americans are vaccinated?
These reasons explain why, beginning with your illogical comparison:
First, the country has been FULLY SATURATED with covid exposure (coast-to-coast, and 99% of all counties) for each month of 2021. That's 11.4 months. More infection means more deaths. On the last day of February, 2020, Trump declared we only had 15 infections. The country was not FULLY SATURATED with covid exposure until late June 2020. A fair comparison must compare the similar conditions: full saturation of covid exposure permeating every corner of the nation. So 11.4 months of full covid saturation across the country obviously means many more deaths than just 6 months of full covid saturation in 2020. Huge difference! This accounts for most of it.
Secondly, deaths from covid occured every month, but the U.S. did not have 200,000,000 vaccinated on January 1, 2021. Any implication that vaccines are worthless, as you are clearly trying to do quoting 200m vaccinated, only works if all were vaccinated on day one. Then you can compare the death counts. Otherwise you are making an illogical apples to oranges comparison.
Third, we can vaccinate thousands against polio, but if they haven't got the vaccine engineered SPECIFICALLY FOR MEASLES then it is very likely they will get the measles infection. So it is with Delta. Nobody in America is vaccinated with a delta-variant vaccine! Delta became the dominant strain in April. Prior to then the vaccines were working very well against the original Wuhan strain. That all changed with Delta. That is another apples vs. oranges argument. Of course there will be more deaths from delta than wuhan because the vaccines are less than 60% efficacy against delta but 95% effective vs the 2020 wuhan strain that they were engineered to combat.
Fourth, the delta variant (2021) is much more transmissible than the original Wuhan strain (2020) and therefore, more infections ultimately means more deaths. 2020 did not have to deal with Delta.
Why are there more American deaths in 2021 than 2020 even though 200,000,000 Americans are vaccinated?
These reasons explain why, beginning with your illogical comparison:
First, the country has been FULLY SATURATED with covid exposure (coast-to-coast, and 99% of all counties) for each month of 2021. That's 11.4 months. More infection means more deaths. On the last day of February, 2020, Trump declared we only had 15 infections. The country was not FULLY SATURATED with covid exposure until late June 2020. A fair comparison must compare the similar conditions: full saturation of covid exposure permeating every corner of the nation. So 11.4 months of full covid saturation across the country obviously means many more deaths than just 6 months of full covid saturation in 2020. Huge difference! This accounts for most of it.
Secondly, deaths from covid occured every month, but the U.S. did not have 200,000,000 vaccinated on January 1, 2021. Any implication that vaccines are worthless, as you are clearly trying to do quoting 200m vaccinated, only works if all were vaccinated on day one. Then you can compare the death counts. Otherwise you are making an illogical apples to oranges comparison.
Third, we can vaccinate thousands against polio, but if they haven't got the vaccine engineered SPECIFICALLY FOR MEASLES then it is very likely they will get the measles infection. So it is with Delta. Nobody in America is vaccinated with a delta-variant vaccine! Delta became the dominant strain in April. Prior to then the vaccines were working very well against the original Wuhan strain. That all changed with Delta. That is another apples vs. oranges argument. Of course there will be more deaths from delta than wuhan because the vaccines are less than 60% efficacy against delta but 95% effective vs the 2020 wuhan strain that they were engineered to combat.
Fourth, the delta variant (2021) is much more transmissible than the original Wuhan strain (2020) and therefore, more infections ultimately means more deaths. 2020 did not have to deal with Delta.
Very sound points, Baish
Just remember that you are replying to the tinfoil-hat-wearing loon on this forum who believes 9/11 was fully planned & orchestrated by the GW Bush administration to kill Americans.
Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:
Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:
Why are there more American deaths in 2021 than 2020 even though 200,000,000 Americans are vaccinated?
These reasons explain why, beginning with your illogical comparison:
First, the country has been FULLY SATURATED with covid exposure (coast-to-coast, and 99% of all counties) for each month of 2021. That's 11.4 months. More infection means more deaths. On the last day of February, 2020, Trump declared we only had 15 infections. The country was not FULLY SATURATED with covid exposure until late June 2020. A fair comparison must compare the similar conditions: full saturation of covid exposure permeating every corner of the nation. So 11.4 months of full covid saturation across the country obviously means many more deaths than just 6 months of full covid saturation in 2020. Huge difference! This accounts for most of it.
Secondly, deaths from covid occured every month, but the U.S. did not have 200,000,000 vaccinated on January 1, 2021. Any implication that vaccines are worthless, as you are clearly trying to do quoting 200m vaccinated, only works if all were vaccinated on day one. Then you can compare the death counts. Otherwise you are making an illogical apples to oranges comparison.
Third, we can vaccinate thousands against polio, but if they haven't got the vaccine engineered SPECIFICALLY FOR MEASLES then it is very likely they will get the measles infection. So it is with Delta. Nobody in America is vaccinated with a delta-variant vaccine! Delta became the dominant strain in April. Prior to then the vaccines were working very well against the original Wuhan strain. That all changed with Delta. That is another apples vs. oranges argument. Of course there will be more deaths from delta than wuhan because the vaccines are less than 60% efficacy against delta but 95% effective vs the 2020 wuhan strain that they were engineered to combat.
Fourth, the delta variant (2021) is much more transmissible than the original Wuhan strain (2020) and therefore, more infections ultimately means more deaths. 2020 did not have to deal with Delta.
Very sound points, Baish
Just remember that you are replying to the tinfoil-hat-wearing loon on this forum who believes 9/11 was fully planned & orchestrated by the GW Bush administration to kill Americans.
CNN: QAnon pushes dangerous fake child sex trafficking ring conspiracy theory. Also CNN: We've fired a Producer for attempting to persuade parents to allow him to sexually train their daughters, teaching them how to be sexually submissive
EXCELLENT!!!
CNN doing their job to DISMISS those a-holes in their ranks without honor.
Wish FOX NEWS would do the same, starting with the guy who OPENLY & PUBLICLY admitted he lies to his viewers on air.
i agree
the op was trying to but cnn in a bad light but actually firing that employee speaks well for cnn especially when compared with fux news i applaud them for firing chris cuomo and i applaud them for firing that employee
"I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:
CNN: QAnon pushes dangerous fake child sex trafficking ring conspiracy theory. Also CNN: We've fired a Producer for attempting to persuade parents to allow him to sexually train their daughters, teaching them how to be sexually submissive
EXCELLENT!!!
CNN doing their job to DISMISS those a-holes in their ranks without honor.
Wish FOX NEWS would do the same, starting with the guy who OPENLY & PUBLICLY admitted he lies to his viewers on air.
i agree
the op was trying to but cnn in a bad light but actually firing that employee speaks well for cnn especially when compared with fux news i applaud them for firing chris cuomo and i applaud them for firing that employee
Studies have found that certain mouthwashes could destroy the virus.
That’s a fact.
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Dumbass trump-worshipper, Sen. Ron Johnson *FALSELY* ClaimsMouthwash 'Has Been Proven To Kill The Coronavirus' It hasn't, but the Wisconsin Republican is still spitting out COVID-19 conspiracy theories. The total idiot said this:“By the way, standard gargle, mouthwash, has been proven to kill the coronavirus. If you get it, you may reduce viral replication. Why not try all these things?” he said during a telephone town hall with Wisconsin constituents. “It just boggles my mind that the NIH continues to tell people, ‘Do nothing, you know, maybe take Tylenol.’”
Studies have found that certain mouthwashes could destroy the virus.
That’s a fact, Jack.
Studies have found that certain mouthwashes could destroy the virus.
That’s a fact.
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Dumbass trump-worshipper, Sen. Ron Johnson *FALSELY* ClaimsMouthwash 'Has Been Proven To Kill The Coronavirus' It hasn't, but the Wisconsin Republican is still spitting out COVID-19 conspiracy theories. The total idiot said this:“By the way, standard gargle, mouthwash, has been proven to kill the coronavirus. If you get it, you may reduce viral replication. Why not try all these things?” he said during a telephone town hall with Wisconsin constituents. “It just boggles my mind that the NIH continues to tell people, ‘Do nothing, you know, maybe take Tylenol.’”
Studies have found that certain mouthwashes could destroy the virus.
“Recent evidence has confirmed that 0.5% povidone iodine (PVP-I) mouthrinse/gargle for 30 s can reduce SARS-CoV-2 virus infectivity to below detectable levels. PVP-I can even interrupt SARS-CoV-2 attachment to oral and nasopharyngeal tissues and lower the viral particles in the saliva and respiratory droplets. Thus, the use of PVP-I mouthrinse as a prophylactic measure has been advocated across the globe to reduce disease transmission.”
“Recent evidence has confirmed that 0.5% povidone iodine (PVP-I) mouthrinse/gargle for 30 s can reduce SARS-CoV-2 virus infectivity to below detectable levels. PVP-I can even interrupt SARS-CoV-2 attachment to oral and nasopharyngeal tissues and lower the viral particles in the saliva and respiratory droplets. Thus, the use of PVP-I mouthrinse as a prophylactic measure has been advocated across the globe to reduce disease transmission.”
Baish is right. Comparing 2 years is imperfect because first US covid death reported in February while 2021 began with huge surge. In addition, Center for disease control data reveals under counting of covid deaths in 2020 because of testing problems and missed deaths. Although pandemic isn't over, more safety precautions such as masks are lifted which allow virus to spread. As a result, many people wrongly assume vaccines have ended the crisis. However US vaccination rate is too low to make the virus endemic. Vast majority of covid cases, deaths and hospitalizations occur in unvaccinated population. According to Health affairs journal, 140,000 covid deaths could have been prevented by vaccination from January to April 2021.
Baish is right. Comparing 2 years is imperfect because first US covid death reported in February while 2021 began with huge surge. In addition, Center for disease control data reveals under counting of covid deaths in 2020 because of testing problems and missed deaths. Although pandemic isn't over, more safety precautions such as masks are lifted which allow virus to spread. As a result, many people wrongly assume vaccines have ended the crisis. However US vaccination rate is too low to make the virus endemic. Vast majority of covid cases, deaths and hospitalizations occur in unvaccinated population. According to Health affairs journal, 140,000 covid deaths could have been prevented by vaccination from January to April 2021.
Jeffrey Toobin is back at CNN after masturbating on a work video call.
CNN coddled Cuomo for months after CNN learned that he colluded with his predator-brother Andrew Cuomo to discredit survivors of workplace sexual abuse.
Chris Cuomo’s CNN producer charged with luring children for ‘sexual’ training.
And Don Lemon allegedly sexually assaulted another man.
Jeffrey Toobin is back at CNN after masturbating on a work video call.
CNN coddled Cuomo for months after CNN learned that he colluded with his predator-brother Andrew Cuomo to discredit survivors of workplace sexual abuse.
Chris Cuomo’s CNN producer charged with luring children for ‘sexual’ training.
And Don Lemon allegedly sexually assaulted another man.
Why are there more American deaths in 2021 than 2020 even though 200,000,000 Americans are vaccinated?
These reasons explain why, beginning with your illogical comparison:
First, the country has been FULLY SATURATED with covid exposure (coast-to-coast, and 99% of all counties) for each month of 2021. That's 11.4 months. More infection means more deaths. On the last day of February, 2020, Trump declared we only had 15 infections. The country was not FULLY SATURATED with covid exposure until late June 2020. A fair comparison must compare the similar conditions: full saturation of covid exposure permeating every corner of the nation. So 11.4 months of full covid saturation across the country obviously means many more deaths than just 6 months of full covid saturation in 2020. Huge difference! This accounts for most of it.
Secondly, deaths from covid occured every month, but the U.S. did not have 200,000,000 vaccinated on January 1, 2021. Any implication that vaccines are worthless, as you are clearly trying to do quoting 200m vaccinated, only works if all were vaccinated on day one. Then you can compare the death counts. Otherwise you are making an illogical apples to oranges comparison.
Third, we can vaccinate thousands against polio, but if they haven't got the vaccine engineered SPECIFICALLY FOR MEASLES then it is very likely they will get the measles infection. So it is with Delta. Nobody in America is vaccinated with a delta-variant vaccine! Delta became the dominant strain in April. Prior to then the vaccines were working very well against the original Wuhan strain. That all changed with Delta. That is another apples vs. oranges argument. Of course there will be more deaths from delta than wuhan because the vaccines are less than 60% efficacy against delta but 95% effective vs the 2020 wuhan strain that they were engineered to combat.
Fourth, the delta variant (2021) is much more transmissible than the original Wuhan strain (2020) and therefore, more infections ultimately means more deaths. 2020 did not have to deal with Delta.
Destroys the 9/11 denier's weak argument
Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:
Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:
Why are there more American deaths in 2021 than 2020 even though 200,000,000 Americans are vaccinated?
These reasons explain why, beginning with your illogical comparison:
First, the country has been FULLY SATURATED with covid exposure (coast-to-coast, and 99% of all counties) for each month of 2021. That's 11.4 months. More infection means more deaths. On the last day of February, 2020, Trump declared we only had 15 infections. The country was not FULLY SATURATED with covid exposure until late June 2020. A fair comparison must compare the similar conditions: full saturation of covid exposure permeating every corner of the nation. So 11.4 months of full covid saturation across the country obviously means many more deaths than just 6 months of full covid saturation in 2020. Huge difference! This accounts for most of it.
Secondly, deaths from covid occured every month, but the U.S. did not have 200,000,000 vaccinated on January 1, 2021. Any implication that vaccines are worthless, as you are clearly trying to do quoting 200m vaccinated, only works if all were vaccinated on day one. Then you can compare the death counts. Otherwise you are making an illogical apples to oranges comparison.
Third, we can vaccinate thousands against polio, but if they haven't got the vaccine engineered SPECIFICALLY FOR MEASLES then it is very likely they will get the measles infection. So it is with Delta. Nobody in America is vaccinated with a delta-variant vaccine! Delta became the dominant strain in April. Prior to then the vaccines were working very well against the original Wuhan strain. That all changed with Delta. That is another apples vs. oranges argument. Of course there will be more deaths from delta than wuhan because the vaccines are less than 60% efficacy against delta but 95% effective vs the 2020 wuhan strain that they were engineered to combat.
Fourth, the delta variant (2021) is much more transmissible than the original Wuhan strain (2020) and therefore, more infections ultimately means more deaths. 2020 did not have to deal with Delta.
Baish is right. [ed, so detox is totally wrong, again]
Comparing 2 years is imperfect because first US covid death reported in February while 2021 began with huge surge. In addition, Center for disease control data reveals under counting of covid deaths in 2020 because of testing problems and missed deaths. Although pandemic isn't over, more safety precautions such as masks are lifted which allow virus to spread. As a result, many people wrongly assume vaccines have ended the crisis.
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Baish is right. [ed, so detox is totally wrong, again]
Comparing 2 years is imperfect because first US covid death reported in February while 2021 began with huge surge. In addition, Center for disease control data reveals under counting of covid deaths in 2020 because of testing problems and missed deaths. Although pandemic isn't over, more safety precautions such as masks are lifted which allow virus to spread. As a result, many people wrongly assume vaccines have ended the crisis.
More died now...period... fact... this administration had all the vaccines, boosters, mandates...yet more died. You guys love taking all the credit and passing the blame. It's the holiday season, many out there will be trying to celebrate after losing loved ones. Think for yourself, outside the box...msm ,Politicians do not care for us...they care for their votes and more importantly their pockets.. all sides..
More died now...period... fact... this administration had all the vaccines, boosters, mandates...yet more died. You guys love taking all the credit and passing the blame. It's the holiday season, many out there will be trying to celebrate after losing loved ones. Think for yourself, outside the box...msm ,Politicians do not care for us...they care for their votes and more importantly their pockets.. all sides..
Dumbass trump-worshipper, Sen. Ron Johnson *FALSELY* Claims Mouthwash 'Has Been Proven To Kill The Coronavirus'
It hasn't, but the Wisconsin Republican is still spitting out COVID-19 conspiracy theories.
The total idiot said this: “By the way, standard gargle, mouthwash, has been proven to kill the coronavirus.
Johnson has a long history of spreading COVID-19 conspiracy theories and anti-vaccine misinformation. He has promoted the use of unproven and potentially dangerous treatments such as ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, and he’s cast doubt on the efficacy and motive behind the vaccines ? which have been proven safe and effective to prevent the spread of coronavirus.
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Dumbass trump-worshipper, Sen. Ron Johnson *FALSELY* Claims Mouthwash 'Has Been Proven To Kill The Coronavirus'
It hasn't, but the Wisconsin Republican is still spitting out COVID-19 conspiracy theories.
The total idiot said this: “By the way, standard gargle, mouthwash, has been proven to kill the coronavirus.
Johnson has a long history of spreading COVID-19 conspiracy theories and anti-vaccine misinformation. He has promoted the use of unproven and potentially dangerous treatments such as ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, and he’s cast doubt on the efficacy and motive behind the vaccines ? which have been proven safe and effective to prevent the spread of coronavirus.
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