That math is a little hard for these people on here.
Most people that work for the state government would have a hard time working at a self serve gas station.
His definition of 'Worker' is just fine.
Unfortunately, Unions have allowed our once hard working, creative, industrious workers of yesteryear to become lazy, dependent, thaughtless, greedy, and self centered.
There are some decent ones left but few outstanding.
Why judge every mans efforts by his title and tenure rather than how productive he is and how much he REALLY means to the company?
The above is a great example of using the exception to prove a rule, or in this case, an argument.
No doubt, many unions have enaged in dispicable actions.
No doubt, many companies have as well.
Using generalities or an example to demonize an entire group does an extreme disservice to the many hardworking union members and honest and generous business owners.
As usual, there is a better way to work our way through problems. 
The above is a great example of using the exception to prove a rule, or in this case, an argument.
No doubt, many unions have enaged in dispicable actions.
No doubt, many companies have as well.
Using generalities or an example to demonize an entire group does an extreme disservice to the many hardworking union members and honest and generous business owners.
As usual, there is a better way to work our way through problems.
So again...I ask: Why not use merit to determine an employees worth?
When I turned 16 my dad gave me a principle that I have never forgotten about employment.
he said "If they aren't making money off of ya, they can't afford to keep ya"
So again...I ask: Why not use merit to determine an employees worth?
When I turned 16 my dad gave me a principle that I have never forgotten about employment.
he said "If they aren't making money off of ya, they can't afford to keep ya"
How many companies/businesses out there actually don't or are not allowed to engage in the merit system of employment? 
So again...I ask: Why not use merit to determine an employees worth?
When I turned 16 my dad gave me a principle that I have never forgotten about employment.
he said "If they aren't making money off of ya, they can't afford to keep ya"
Where is is stated that workers should make as much as employers?
Who assumes most of the risk of the business?
Who pays the work comp insurance?
Overall business expenses?
Payroll taxes? Benefits package?
Who gets sued when the employee screws up?
Who pays business property tax?
Who has to pay more for unproductive/dishonest employees?
Seems to me that you choose not to look at the BIG PICTURE
How many companies/businesses out there actually don't or are not allowed to engage in the merit system of employment?
You mean when they have 400 applications waiting to be interviewed at any given time?
That just means you need to carry your weight or you get replaced. Nobody forces those people to work there. If they keep losing money on retraining thats their own stupidity/choice.
Seems to me you have a backwards definition of "RESPECT"!
If you stick a gun in someones face and tell them to jump in circles do you think they TRULY respect you? Or do they respect the bullet that will end their life should they not obey you?
If you need a threat of violence to get your respect then for one you don't get true respect you get something else.
Who hates the worker more? The guy who pays them a little less or the guy who threatens to cut their fingers off if they cross the picket lines?
Where is is stated that workers should make as much as employers?
Where did l write that an individual worker should make as much as an employer? I just know that workers can take home more money and better benefits united than they can standing alone.
Who pays the work comp insurance?
Funny thing is workers compensation was created because many companies were being bankrupted by workers suing for injuries incurred on the job. So in fact workers compensation is a benefit for the corporations. Of course the boss should pay in that case.
Overall business expenses?
Overall business expenses are a cost of doing business and they are accounted for.
Payroll taxes? Benefits package?
Yes and? That is part of the negotiated compensation whats your problem with that?
Who gets sued when the employee screws up?
The company reaps the rewards and assumes the liabilities as it should. If its such a bad deal why is is that everyone is trying to be a business owner
Who pays business property tax?
Sometimes nobody with all the state tax incentives for business to locate.
Who has to pay more for unproductive/dishonest employees?
You are dreaming. l would love to audit just 1 of your work days and point out your unproductive time. I am sure it will be a heck of a lot more than someone who is on the clock . I am sure of that.
Seems to me that you choose not to look at the BIG PICTURE
Funny thing is that as an employee l am not responsible for looking at your big picture thats your problem mine is to bring home as much $$$ as l can for my family. With neo-conservative ideology permeating society it has become tougher and tougher.
Where is is stated that workers should make as much as employers?
Where did l write that an individual worker should make as much as an employer? I just know that workers can take home more money and better benefits united than they can standing alone. Seems to me that with union membership in the decline over the past 30+ years unions may have benefited short term and helped encourage employers to take jobs oversees. Let me ask people that worked for Chrysler and GM, and overall city of Detroit how the union really helped them LONG TERM.
Who pays the work comp insurance?
Funny thing is workers compensation was created because many companies were being bankrupted by workers suing for injuries incurred on the job. So in fact workers compensation is a benefit for the corporations. Of course the boss should pay in that case.
Overall business expenses?
Overall business expenses are a cost of doing business and they are accounted for. I didnt say they weren't. I merely said this to make my case that workers shouldnt get paid as much as employers. Your words were 'Closing the gap between how much an employer makes and how much he/she pays you"
Payroll taxes? Benefits package?
Yes and? That is part of the negotiated compensation whats your problem with that? If you owned a business you wouldn't want to pay union wages and benefits. And you definitely would want to fire people that were lazy, unproductive, or dishonest without all the bs representation.
Who gets sued when the employee screws up?
The company reaps the rewards and assumes the liabilities as it should. If its such a bad deal why is is that everyone is trying to be a business owner? Why are so many businesses failing? Just because you go into business doesn't mean you will have money growing on trees to pay greedy, lazy union members. Businesses have to put money away for lean times.
Who pays business property tax?
Sometimes nobody with all the state tax incentives for business to locate.
Who has to pay more for unproductive/dishonest employees?
You are dreaming. l would love to audit just 1 of your work days and point out your unproductive time. I am sure it will be a heck of a lot more than someone who is on the clock . I am sure of that.
I work on commission so the days I don't work hard I don't get paid. You would never have the stones to get paid by what you accomplish.
Seems to me that you choose not to look at the BIG PICTURE
Funny thing is that as an employee l am not responsible for looking at your big picture thats your problem mine is to bring home as much $$$ as l can for my family. With neo-conservative ideology permeating society it has become tougher and tougher. As an employee, if you don't try to see the big picture you may get paid more now but in doing so may not have a job in 10-15 years. If you don't like your job and pay go ask your boss for a raise or go work for somebody that will pay you what you want. All collective bargaining is is legal extortion when you really think about it.
I worked at Alcoa for 14+ years. Non-union plant. We voted to keep the union out in our plant because they came accross as greedy bass turds.
My production record for the job I had still stands to this day. The only reason that I'm not there anymore is because I was injured off the job.
The only union jobs where I live now are trade jobs but that wasn't the case 20 years ago...hmmm I guess the people WOKE UP!
Short term disability for which I paid my premiums every paycheck that I received from there for those 14+ years that I worked there.
Does that qualify as a 'hand out' if I paid insurance premiums for out of my own pocket.
Nice try!
Overall business expenses are a cost of doing business and they are accounted for. I didnt say they weren't. I merely said this to make my case that workers shouldnt get paid as much as employers. Your words were 'Closing the gap between how much an employer makes and how much he/she pays you"
Kasich cut his own throat right out of the gate with this thing. Very similar to Ryan's budget. Kasich said nothing about this in his campaign. Congressional Republicans ran against Obamacare because it was gonna hurt medicare. Townhall meetings full of violent senior citizens ready to skin Obama because of his attack on medicare. Then they win, and spring this budget on all of those unsuspecting 60 year old's.
The ol bait and switch.
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