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    Rand Paul Rips Dr. Fauci, and People Are Starting To Wake Up!

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    Posted: May. 27, 2021 - 1:42 AM ET #51

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    It was widely stated IT WAS NOT FROM A LAB.  (and only because Trump said otherwise) Biden Admin has shutdown the Trump admin investigation seeking information it came from that lab. Wonder why????    It came from that lab from sloppy handling.

    Shutdown of Trump administration investigation because of ineffective use of resources after doubts about legitimacy of discoveries.  Trump tries to blame China for pandemic and cherry picks information to support conspiracy theories.  Instead Biden orders new report from US intelligence.  Unclear how much can be learned in 90 days because of limited cooperation from China and years of investigations required to find origin of other viruses in the past. 

    For doctor Fauci and majority of scientists, evidences supporting animal origin are far stronger than for  lab origin.  Unlikely National institute of health funds risky research that lead to pandemic.  Lab accidents are rare while 75% of new infectious diseases come from animals.  Uncertain if sick Wuhan lab workers contract coronavirus.  Even if coronavirus comes from lab, no proof that genome has been manipulated.  Unlikely bio-engineering leaves no genetic signature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    It was widely stated IT WAS NOT FROM A LAB.  (and only because Trump said otherwise) Biden Admin has shutdown the Trump admin investigation seeking information it came from that lab. Wonder why????    It came from that lab from sloppy handling.

    Shutdown of Trump administration investigation because of ineffective use of resources after doubts about legitimacy of discoveries.  Trump tries to blame China for pandemic and cherry picks information to support conspiracy theories.  Instead Biden orders new report from US intelligence.  Unclear how much can be learned in 90 days because of limited cooperation from China and years of investigations required to find origin of other viruses in the past. 

    For doctor Fauci and majority of scientists, evidences supporting animal origin are far stronger than for  lab origin.  Unlikely National institute of health funds risky research that lead to pandemic.  Lab accidents are rare while 75% of new infectious diseases come from animals.  Uncertain if sick Wuhan lab workers contract coronavirus.  Even if coronavirus comes from lab, no proof that genome has been manipulated.  Unlikely bio-engineering leaves no genetic signature.

     
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    Posted: May. 27, 2021 - 6:45 AM ET #52

    You do know that they take diseases from animals and work in them in labs right? 

    So saying that 75% of infectious diseases come from animals is irrelevant. 

    Id be willing to bet that they now have proof that the virus escaped from the lab and now they’re just getting out in front of the story. 

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    You do know that they take diseases from animals and work in them in labs right? 

    So saying that 75% of infectious diseases come from animals is irrelevant. 

    Id be willing to bet that they now have proof that the virus escaped from the lab and now they’re just getting out in front of the story. 

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    Posted: May. 29, 2021 - 6:12 PM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: It was widely stated IT WAS NOT FROM A LAB.  (and only because Trump said otherwise) Biden Admin has shutdown the Trump admin investigation seeking information it came from that lab. Wonder why????    It came from that lab from sloppy handling. Shutdown of Trump administration investigation because of ineffective use of resources after doubts about legitimacy of discoveries.  Trump tries to blame China for pandemic and cherry picks information to support conspiracy theories.  Instead Biden orders new report from US intelligence.  Unclear how much can be learned in 90 days because of limited cooperation from China and years of investigations required to find origin of other viruses in the past.  For doctor Fauci and majority of scientists, evidences supporting animal origin are far stronger than for  lab origin.  Unlikely National institute of health funds risky research that lead to pandemic.  Lab accidents are rare while 75% of new infectious diseases come from animals.  Uncertain if sick Wuhan lab workers contract coronavirus.  Even if coronavirus comes from lab, no proof that genome has been manipulated.  Unlikely bio-engineering leaves no genetic signature.

    You just can't let go of that animal origin theory can you? It would BLOW UP all your allegence to Facebook, mainstream media, etc.

    BOOM! an_cannon

    https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/29/covid-19-was-made-by-chinese-scientists-who-tried-to-cover-it-up-study-claims-14672640/

    "Prof Dalgleish who works at St George’s University, London, and Dr Sørensen, the chair of pharmaceutical company, Immunor, claim Covid-19 has ‘no credible natural ancestor’.

    They say that it is ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ that the virus was created through ‘laboratory manipulation’. 

    The pair were studying samples of the virus while working on a Covid vaccine when they say they discovered evidence that points to human interference."

    Hope mainstream media can discredit this guy. WILD CONSPIRACY THEORY. TIN FOIL HATS!!!! an_roll_laugh

    Another quote; 

    "It marks the latest sign that the theory that Covid 19 was made in a lab – until now dismissed as outlandish by politicians "

    ---DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: It was widely stated IT WAS NOT FROM A LAB.  (and only because Trump said otherwise) Biden Admin has shutdown the Trump admin investigation seeking information it came from that lab. Wonder why????    It came from that lab from sloppy handling. Shutdown of Trump administration investigation because of ineffective use of resources after doubts about legitimacy of discoveries.  Trump tries to blame China for pandemic and cherry picks information to support conspiracy theories.  Instead Biden orders new report from US intelligence.  Unclear how much can be learned in 90 days because of limited cooperation from China and years of investigations required to find origin of other viruses in the past.  For doctor Fauci and majority of scientists, evidences supporting animal origin are far stronger than for  lab origin.  Unlikely National institute of health funds risky research that lead to pandemic.  Lab accidents are rare while 75% of new infectious diseases come from animals.  Uncertain if sick Wuhan lab workers contract coronavirus.  Even if coronavirus comes from lab, no proof that genome has been manipulated.  Unlikely bio-engineering leaves no genetic signature.

    You just can't let go of that animal origin theory can you? It would BLOW UP all your allegence to Facebook, mainstream media, etc.

    BOOM! an_cannon

    https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/29/covid-19-was-made-by-chinese-scientists-who-tried-to-cover-it-up-study-claims-14672640/

    "Prof Dalgleish who works at St George’s University, London, and Dr Sørensen, the chair of pharmaceutical company, Immunor, claim Covid-19 has ‘no credible natural ancestor’.

    They say that it is ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ that the virus was created through ‘laboratory manipulation’. 

    The pair were studying samples of the virus while working on a Covid vaccine when they say they discovered evidence that points to human interference."

    Hope mainstream media can discredit this guy. WILD CONSPIRACY THEORY. TIN FOIL HATS!!!! an_roll_laugh

    Another quote; 

    "It marks the latest sign that the theory that Covid 19 was made in a lab – until now dismissed as outlandish by politicians "

    ---DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS

     
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    Posted: May. 30, 2021 - 12:07 AM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    "Prof Dalgleish who works at St George’s University, London, and Dr Sørensen, the chair of pharmaceutical company, Immunor, claim Covid-19 has ‘no credible natural ancestor’. They say that it is ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ that the virus was created through ‘laboratory manipulation’.  The pair were studying samples of the virus while working on a Covid vaccine when they say they discovered evidence that points to human interference."

    According to fact checker Fullfact, Dalgleish and Sorensen research paper doesn't claim coronavirus is man made.  Earlier versions of paper suggest bio-engineering because of odd sequence in protein.  This is not evidence of bio-engineering because sequence can occur through mutation and is found in other viruses.  Their paper has been rewritten many times.  Final version in Biophysics discovery journal doesn't make any claims about whether coronavirus is natural or manipulated.  The scientific community still widely believe coronavirus wasn't bio-engineered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    "Prof Dalgleish who works at St George’s University, London, and Dr Sørensen, the chair of pharmaceutical company, Immunor, claim Covid-19 has ‘no credible natural ancestor’. They say that it is ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ that the virus was created through ‘laboratory manipulation’.  The pair were studying samples of the virus while working on a Covid vaccine when they say they discovered evidence that points to human interference."

    According to fact checker Fullfact, Dalgleish and Sorensen research paper doesn't claim coronavirus is man made.  Earlier versions of paper suggest bio-engineering because of odd sequence in protein.  This is not evidence of bio-engineering because sequence can occur through mutation and is found in other viruses.  Their paper has been rewritten many times.  Final version in Biophysics discovery journal doesn't make any claims about whether coronavirus is natural or manipulated.  The scientific community still widely believe coronavirus wasn't bio-engineered.

     
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    Posted: May. 30, 2021 - 10:16 AM ET #55

    The fact that Facebook has changed its stance on discussion of Covid's origin seems like a sign that that the whole combatting misinformation industry is really broken.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/26/facebook-ban-covid-man-made-491053

     

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    The fact that Facebook has changed its stance on discussion of Covid's origin seems like a sign that that the whole combatting misinformation industry is really broken.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/26/facebook-ban-covid-man-made-491053

     

     
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    Posted: May. 30, 2021 - 10:26 AM ET #56

    THE RESEARCHER SAYS THE VIRUS IS MAN MADE.

    "In an exclusive interview with DailyMail.com, Sorensen said that four amino acids on the spike have a positive charge, which causes the virus to tightly cling to the negatively charged parts of a human, becoming more infectious."

    "Because these positively charged amino acids also repeal each other, it was rare to find even three in a row in naturally occurring organisms, while four in a row is ‘extremely unlikely, he said."

    “The laws of physics mean that you cannot have four positively charged amino acids in a row. The only way you can get this is if you artificially manufacture it,” Dalgleish told DailyMail.com.

     

    “The implication of our historical reconstruction, we posit now beyond reasonable doubt, of the purposively manipulated chimeric virus SARS-CoV-2 makes it imperative to reconsider what types of Gain of Function experiments it is morally acceptable to undertake,” they wrote.

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    THE RESEARCHER SAYS THE VIRUS IS MAN MADE.

    "In an exclusive interview with DailyMail.com, Sorensen said that four amino acids on the spike have a positive charge, which causes the virus to tightly cling to the negatively charged parts of a human, becoming more infectious."

    "Because these positively charged amino acids also repeal each other, it was rare to find even three in a row in naturally occurring organisms, while four in a row is ‘extremely unlikely, he said."

    “The laws of physics mean that you cannot have four positively charged amino acids in a row. The only way you can get this is if you artificially manufacture it,” Dalgleish told DailyMail.com.

     

    “The implication of our historical reconstruction, we posit now beyond reasonable doubt, of the purposively manipulated chimeric virus SARS-CoV-2 makes it imperative to reconsider what types of Gain of Function experiments it is morally acceptable to undertake,” they wrote.

     
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    Posted: May. 30, 2021 - 10:35 AM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    The fact that Facebook has changed its stance on discussion of Covid's origin seems like a sign that that the whole combatting misinformation industry is really broken. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/26/facebook-ban-covid-man-made-491053

    It NEVER was about "misinformation" it is about total control like communist China. Why do you think Facebook has so many Chinese working for them?

    https://nypost.com/2020/10/20/meet-your-chinese-facebook-censors/

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    The fact that Facebook has changed its stance on discussion of Covid's origin seems like a sign that that the whole combatting misinformation industry is really broken. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/26/facebook-ban-covid-man-made-491053

    It NEVER was about "misinformation" it is about total control like communist China. Why do you think Facebook has so many Chinese working for them?

    https://nypost.com/2020/10/20/meet-your-chinese-facebook-censors/

     

     
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    Posted: May. 30, 2021 - 12:04 PM ET #58

    "Full Fact’s website reports that they were paid £1.1 million by Facebook and £206,500 by Google in 2019, plus a monthly payment of £7,300 worth of free advertising by the search giant. The funding by big-tech in 2019 makes up roughly 70% of their declared funding for the year. The editorial team say donations or payments for their services, which include automated fact-checking for Google, in no way compromise their editorial impartiality." an_wink

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    "Full Fact’s website reports that they were paid £1.1 million by Facebook and £206,500 by Google in 2019, plus a monthly payment of £7,300 worth of free advertising by the search giant. The funding by big-tech in 2019 makes up roughly 70% of their declared funding for the year. The editorial team say donations or payments for their services, which include automated fact-checking for Google, in no way compromise their editorial impartiality." an_wink

     
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    Posted: May. 30, 2021 - 12:14 PM ET #59

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: "Prof Dalgleish who works at St George’s University, London, and Dr Sørensen, the chair of pharmaceutical company, Immunor, claim Covid-19 has ‘no credible natural ancestor’. They say that it is ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ that the virus was created through ‘laboratory manipulation’.  The pair were studying samples of the virus while working on a Covid vaccine when they say they discovered evidence that points to human interference." According to fact checker Fullfact, Dalgleish and Sorensen research paper doesn't claim coronavirus is man made.  Earlier versions of paper suggest bio-engineering because of odd sequence in protein.  This is not evidence of bio-engineering because sequence can occur through mutation and is found in other viruses.  Their paper has been rewritten many times.  Final version in Biophysics discovery journal doesn't make any claims about whether coronavirus is natural or manipulated.  The scientific community still widely believe coronavirus wasn't bio-engineered.

    The EDITED research paper that has been purposely watered down to not implicate China removed those statements. 

    Afraid of Cancel Culture obviously. UNABLE TO FREELY SPEAK THEIR MINDS. 

    Like I said before, Wait For It. an_popcorn

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: "Prof Dalgleish who works at St George’s University, London, and Dr Sørensen, the chair of pharmaceutical company, Immunor, claim Covid-19 has ‘no credible natural ancestor’. They say that it is ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ that the virus was created through ‘laboratory manipulation’.  The pair were studying samples of the virus while working on a Covid vaccine when they say they discovered evidence that points to human interference." According to fact checker Fullfact, Dalgleish and Sorensen research paper doesn't claim coronavirus is man made.  Earlier versions of paper suggest bio-engineering because of odd sequence in protein.  This is not evidence of bio-engineering because sequence can occur through mutation and is found in other viruses.  Their paper has been rewritten many times.  Final version in Biophysics discovery journal doesn't make any claims about whether coronavirus is natural or manipulated.  The scientific community still widely believe coronavirus wasn't bio-engineered.

    The EDITED research paper that has been purposely watered down to not implicate China removed those statements. 

    Afraid of Cancel Culture obviously. UNABLE TO FREELY SPEAK THEIR MINDS. 

    Like I said before, Wait For It. an_popcorn

     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2021 - 8:27 PM ET #60

    Vanity Fair put out a decent story. Except they blame Trump for telling us the truth. new_laugh_sweat It's all Trumps fault for stepping up and saying he had seen intellegence it most likely came from the lab.  

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins

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    Vanity Fair put out a decent story. Except they blame Trump for telling us the truth. new_laugh_sweat It's all Trumps fault for stepping up and saying he had seen intellegence it most likely came from the lab.  

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins

     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2021 - 9:06 PM ET #61

    When it’s confirmed that the virus came from the lab watch what people like thirdperson say 

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    When it’s confirmed that the virus came from the lab watch what people like thirdperson say 

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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2021 - 9:23 PM ET #62

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Vanity Fair put out a decent story. Except they blame Trump for telling us the truth.  It's all Trumps fault for stepping up and saying he had seen intellegence it most likely came from the lab.   https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins

     

    Wait...   I thought it was a Democrat hoax.   So now Trump knew it was lab-made...  but told everyone it wasn't real?  

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Vanity Fair put out a decent story. Except they blame Trump for telling us the truth.  It's all Trumps fault for stepping up and saying he had seen intellegence it most likely came from the lab.   https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins

     

    Wait...   I thought it was a Democrat hoax.   So now Trump knew it was lab-made...  but told everyone it wasn't real?  

     
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    Fauci has lied to the American public for decades. We need a thread dedicated to  all of the lies propagated by Fauci. For now. Let's throw the following out there.

    SMOKING GUN: FAUCI LIED, MILLIONS DIED -- Fauci Was Informed of Hydroxychloroquine Success in Early 2020 But Lied to Public Instead Despite the Science #FauciEmails (thegatewaypundit.com)

    Dr. Fauci's Boss Refutes His Claims -- Admits NIH Was Funding Wuhan Lab and 'We Had No Control Over What They Were Doing' (thegatewaypundit.com)

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    Fauci has lied to the American public for decades. We need a thread dedicated to  all of the lies propagated by Fauci. For now. Let's throw the following out there.

    SMOKING GUN: FAUCI LIED, MILLIONS DIED -- Fauci Was Informed of Hydroxychloroquine Success in Early 2020 But Lied to Public Instead Despite the Science #FauciEmails (thegatewaypundit.com)

    Dr. Fauci's Boss Refutes His Claims -- Admits NIH Was Funding Wuhan Lab and 'We Had No Control Over What They Were Doing' (thegatewaypundit.com)

     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2021 - 10:48 PM ET #64

    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: Vanity Fair put out a decent story. Except they blame Trump for telling us the truth.  It's all Trumps fault for stepping up and saying he had seen intellegence it most likely came from the lab.   https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins   Wait...   I thought it was a Democrat hoax.   So now Trump knew it was lab-made...  but told everyone it wasn't real?

    When and where did Trump say "It isn't real"? Can you say "media spin"? Like this one; https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/03/donald-trump-base-stays-loyal-president-fights-covid-19

    They find some ignorant truck driver and his view is because of Trump. HA!

    So NOW Trump knew it was lab-made? https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-trump-suspects-covid-19-came-from-china-lab.html 

    He said it then and the media RAN the other direction, with no proof what so ever. Now they backpedal saying "It's all Trump's fault we didn't listen or bother investigating. an_shake And all you little minions followed right along with your favorites -- Conspiracy Theory, Tin Foil Hats, etc. an_roll_laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: Vanity Fair put out a decent story. Except they blame Trump for telling us the truth.  It's all Trumps fault for stepping up and saying he had seen intellegence it most likely came from the lab.   https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins   Wait...   I thought it was a Democrat hoax.   So now Trump knew it was lab-made...  but told everyone it wasn't real?

    When and where did Trump say "It isn't real"? Can you say "media spin"? Like this one; https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/03/donald-trump-base-stays-loyal-president-fights-covid-19

    They find some ignorant truck driver and his view is because of Trump. HA!

    So NOW Trump knew it was lab-made? https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-trump-suspects-covid-19-came-from-china-lab.html 

    He said it then and the media RAN the other direction, with no proof what so ever. Now they backpedal saying "It's all Trump's fault we didn't listen or bother investigating. an_shake And all you little minions followed right along with your favorites -- Conspiracy Theory, Tin Foil Hats, etc. an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2021 - 10:54 PM ET #65

    I don't know why the press is demonizing Dr FAUCCI.  

    He stated about 2 weeks ago that it is possible that this world killer escaped the lab.

    Then he admits to the circular debate ( hole in the bucket dear liza) was it harvested in nature as a crossover virus. A bat infected a human and it was studied. Then the original natural virus would exist in that cave ...

    Was it bioengineered and enhanced. Ok. The Chinese can genetically enhance a complex plant such as a tomato.... viruses are not that complex an equation.

    So Biden directed intelligence gathering institutions to create a data products to assess the likely good it escaped the institution and such was engineered and finally for what purpose.

    But the absolute polarization of Dr FAUCCI  seems though is protesting a bit much...

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    I don't know why the press is demonizing Dr FAUCCI.  

    He stated about 2 weeks ago that it is possible that this world killer escaped the lab.

    Then he admits to the circular debate ( hole in the bucket dear liza) was it harvested in nature as a crossover virus. A bat infected a human and it was studied. Then the original natural virus would exist in that cave ...

    Was it bioengineered and enhanced. Ok. The Chinese can genetically enhance a complex plant such as a tomato.... viruses are not that complex an equation.

    So Biden directed intelligence gathering institutions to create a data products to assess the likely good it escaped the institution and such was engineered and finally for what purpose.

    But the absolute polarization of Dr FAUCCI  seems though is protesting a bit much...

     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2021 - 11:13 PM ET #66

    Refering to MSNBC maybe?

    From MSNBC;

    Donald Trump spent months attacking his Russia scandal as a "hoax," though it was quite real. (WRONG!! an_roll_laugh) Late last year, the president attacked the Ukraine scandal that led to his impeachment as a "hoax," though each of the core allegations was proven true. (WRONG AGAIN an_roll_laugh)A couple of weeks ago, the Republican even described his politicization of federal law enforcement as a "hoax," despite the overwhelming evidence.

    Trump now believes he's uncovered a new "hoax," which, like the others, is all too real.

    MSNBC said Trump called the "outbreak" a hoax. NO, he called Democrat's politicizing the outbreak a hoax.

    i.e. https://nypost.com/2021/04/14/cnn-staffer-tells-project-veritas-network-played-up-covid-19-death-toll-for-ratings/ 

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    Refering to MSNBC maybe?

    From MSNBC;

    Donald Trump spent months attacking his Russia scandal as a "hoax," though it was quite real. (WRONG!! an_roll_laugh) Late last year, the president attacked the Ukraine scandal that led to his impeachment as a "hoax," though each of the core allegations was proven true. (WRONG AGAIN an_roll_laugh)A couple of weeks ago, the Republican even described his politicization of federal law enforcement as a "hoax," despite the overwhelming evidence.

    Trump now believes he's uncovered a new "hoax," which, like the others, is all too real.

    MSNBC said Trump called the "outbreak" a hoax. NO, he called Democrat's politicizing the outbreak a hoax.

    i.e. https://nypost.com/2021/04/14/cnn-staffer-tells-project-veritas-network-played-up-covid-19-death-toll-for-ratings/ 

     
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     A week or two after Trump stated the lab theory Fauci came out and said it was from animals. His emails show other scientists early on telling him the virus looks like it had been engineered. 

    From the Vanity Fair article;

    "On February 19, 2020, The Lancet, among the most respected and influential medical journals in the world, published a statement that roundly rejected the lab-leak hypothesis, effectively casting it as a xenophobic cousin to climate change denialism and anti-vaxxism. Signed by 27 scientists, the statement expressed “solidarity with all scientists and health professionals in China” and asserted: “We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin.”

    The Lancet statement effectively ended the debate over COVID-19’s origins before it began.

    Then came the revelation that the Lancet statement was not only signed but organized by a zoologist named Peter Daszak, who has repackaged U.S. government grants and allocated them to facilities conducting gain-of-function research—among them the WIV itself."

    In fact in one email to a colleague Daszak said don't sign the Lancet Letter so we won't be seen as involved.

    Then Daszek emailed Fauci; “I just wanted to say a personal thank you on behalf of our staff and collaborators, for publicly standing up and stating that the scientific evidence supports a natural origin for COVID-19 from a bat-to-human spillover, not a lab release from the Wuhan Institute of Virology,” Daszak wrote to Fauci.

    Money from NHI went to Daszak and he gave some of it to Wuhan Lab for bat coronavirus research. If it came out the pandemic was a result of this research they all would be in hot water. So Daszak orchestrated the Lancet Letter to squash that theory. Fauci went along with it.

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    @nature1970

     A week or two after Trump stated the lab theory Fauci came out and said it was from animals. His emails show other scientists early on telling him the virus looks like it had been engineered. 

    From the Vanity Fair article;

    "On February 19, 2020, The Lancet, among the most respected and influential medical journals in the world, published a statement that roundly rejected the lab-leak hypothesis, effectively casting it as a xenophobic cousin to climate change denialism and anti-vaxxism. Signed by 27 scientists, the statement expressed “solidarity with all scientists and health professionals in China” and asserted: “We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin.”

    The Lancet statement effectively ended the debate over COVID-19’s origins before it began.

    Then came the revelation that the Lancet statement was not only signed but organized by a zoologist named Peter Daszak, who has repackaged U.S. government grants and allocated them to facilities conducting gain-of-function research—among them the WIV itself."

    In fact in one email to a colleague Daszak said don't sign the Lancet Letter so we won't be seen as involved.

    Then Daszek emailed Fauci; “I just wanted to say a personal thank you on behalf of our staff and collaborators, for publicly standing up and stating that the scientific evidence supports a natural origin for COVID-19 from a bat-to-human spillover, not a lab release from the Wuhan Institute of Virology,” Daszak wrote to Fauci.

    Money from NHI went to Daszak and he gave some of it to Wuhan Lab for bat coronavirus research. If it came out the pandemic was a result of this research they all would be in hot water. So Daszak orchestrated the Lancet Letter to squash that theory. Fauci went along with it.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2021 - 6:35 AM ET #68

    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

    Wait...   I thought it was a Democrat hoax.   So now Trump knew it was lab-made...  but told everyone it wasn't real?

    Educate yourself 

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN22C3TB

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    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:

    Wait...   I thought it was a Democrat hoax.   So now Trump knew it was lab-made...  but told everyone it wasn't real?

    Educate yourself 

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN22C3TB

     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2021 - 8:24 AM ET #69

    Ok.uniman.

    This journalists is doing 4 years in prison for the literature she wrote.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/28/world/asia/china-Zhang-Zhan-covid-convicted.html

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55463241

    Ms Zhang went missing on 14 May according to the CHRD. One day later, it was revealed she had been detained by police in Shanghai, more than 400 miles (640km) away.

    She was formally charged in early November. The indictment sheet alleges she sent "false information through text, video and other media through [platforms like] WeChat, Twitter and YouTube".

    She is also accused of accepting interviews with foreign media outlets and "maliciously spreading" information about the virus in Wuhan. A sentence of four to five years was recommended.

    [Her] sentence is so heavy. The Chinese government is very determined to silence her and intimidate other citizens who tried to expose what happened in Wuhan," he told the BBC.

    "I'm concerned about the fate of other detained citizens who also reported news about the pandemic."

    Several other citizen journalists who reported from Wuhan - Li Zehua, Chen Qiushi and Fang Bin - went missing earlier this year.

    Li eventually resurfaced, saying he was forcibly quarantined, while Chen is reported to be staying with family but under government supervision. The whereabouts of Fang Bin are still unknown.

    Chen Qiushi is still missing, according to a Twitter account run by friends. He has been out of contact for 75 days.

    Another journalist who reported from Wuhan, Fang Bin, has also not been heard from since February.

    These reporters have been listed for correction warrants for reporting.

    Reporters are silenced threatened killed...

    Because a bat infected a human ????

     

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    Ok.uniman.

    This journalists is doing 4 years in prison for the literature she wrote.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/28/world/asia/china-Zhang-Zhan-covid-convicted.html

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55463241

    Ms Zhang went missing on 14 May according to the CHRD. One day later, it was revealed she had been detained by police in Shanghai, more than 400 miles (640km) away.

    She was formally charged in early November. The indictment sheet alleges she sent "false information through text, video and other media through [platforms like] WeChat, Twitter and YouTube".

    She is also accused of accepting interviews with foreign media outlets and "maliciously spreading" information about the virus in Wuhan. A sentence of four to five years was recommended.

    [Her] sentence is so heavy. The Chinese government is very determined to silence her and intimidate other citizens who tried to expose what happened in Wuhan," he told the BBC.

    "I'm concerned about the fate of other detained citizens who also reported news about the pandemic."

    Several other citizen journalists who reported from Wuhan - Li Zehua, Chen Qiushi and Fang Bin - went missing earlier this year.

    Li eventually resurfaced, saying he was forcibly quarantined, while Chen is reported to be staying with family but under government supervision. The whereabouts of Fang Bin are still unknown.

    Chen Qiushi is still missing, according to a Twitter account run by friends. He has been out of contact for 75 days.

    Another journalist who reported from Wuhan, Fang Bin, has also not been heard from since February.

    These reporters have been listed for correction warrants for reporting.

    Reporters are silenced threatened killed...

    Because a bat infected a human ????

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2021 - 8:31 AM ET #70

    This is official state media reports of who is to blame for virus

    https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/chinese-officials-blame-us-army-for-coronavirus-67267

    According to the unfounded accusation, which reports say has been widely shared on the popular Chinese social media platform Weibo, the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 was introduced to China when 300 US military members arrived in the Wuhan region for the Military World Games in mid-October and infected the local population. None of the servicemembers who made the trip have tested positive for the virus.

    https://qz.com/1817736/china-fuels-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory-blaming-us-army/

    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-10/15/c_138473332.htm

     

     

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    This is official state media reports of who is to blame for virus

    https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/chinese-officials-blame-us-army-for-coronavirus-67267

    According to the unfounded accusation, which reports say has been widely shared on the popular Chinese social media platform Weibo, the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 was introduced to China when 300 US military members arrived in the Wuhan region for the Military World Games in mid-October and infected the local population. None of the servicemembers who made the trip have tested positive for the virus.

    https://qz.com/1817736/china-fuels-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory-blaming-us-army/

    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-10/15/c_138473332.htm

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2021 - 8:36 AM ET #71

    Quote Originally Posted by HeadOverHeart:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Rand Paul is wrong to claim that National institute of health funding of risky research in China lead to pandemic.  This conspiracy theory has been debunked by fact checkers politifact and USAtoday.  Misleading to claim NIH gave funding to a Chinese research lab.  However it is true that funds were provided to a project where an American research group (Eco health alliance) worked alongside a Chinese organization to study the risk of coronavirus from bats.  World health organization and Center for disease control conclude origin of coronavirus is natural and not man made.  US intelligence agreed with scientific consensus that coronavirus very likely transmitted from animals to humans.  No evidence that coronavirus comes from lab because it lacks the structural clues of bio-engineering. Mr. Bot at it again. Mediabiasfactcheck, which is no doubt the greatest fount of wisdom since the Ancient Greeks, have determined that you’re fake news.

    tell fam bin who presumed dead or ms Zhang who is doing 4 years how fake the news is

    as  they take their truth  to the grave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeadOverHeart:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Rand Paul is wrong to claim that National institute of health funding of risky research in China lead to pandemic.  This conspiracy theory has been debunked by fact checkers politifact and USAtoday.  Misleading to claim NIH gave funding to a Chinese research lab.  However it is true that funds were provided to a project where an American research group (Eco health alliance) worked alongside a Chinese organization to study the risk of coronavirus from bats.  World health organization and Center for disease control conclude origin of coronavirus is natural and not man made.  US intelligence agreed with scientific consensus that coronavirus very likely transmitted from animals to humans.  No evidence that coronavirus comes from lab because it lacks the structural clues of bio-engineering. Mr. Bot at it again. Mediabiasfactcheck, which is no doubt the greatest fount of wisdom since the Ancient Greeks, have determined that you’re fake news.

    tell fam bin who presumed dead or ms Zhang who is doing 4 years how fake the news is

    as  they take their truth  to the grave.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2021 - 8:41 AM ET #72

    As for Senator Paul having a brain fart...

    Well he went to public school and from Kentucky...

    Its a Sad fact... but...

    He is obviously one of the smartest republicans in the senate.

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    As for Senator Paul having a brain fart...

    Well he went to public school and from Kentucky...

    Its a Sad fact... but...

    He is obviously one of the smartest republicans in the senate.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: It was widely stated IT WAS NOT FROM A LAB.  (and only because Trump said otherwise) Biden Admin has shutdown the Trump admin investigation seeking information it came from that lab. Wonder why????    It came from that lab from sloppy handling. Shutdown of Trump administration investigation because of ineffective use of resources after doubts about legitimacy of discoveries.  Trump tries to blame China for pandemic and cherry picks information to support conspiracy theories.  Instead Biden orders new report from US intelligence.  Unclear how much can be learned in 90 days because of limited cooperation from China and years of investigations required to find origin of other viruses in the past.  For doctor Fauci and majority of scientists, evidences supporting animal origin are far stronger than for  lab origin.  Unlikely National institute of health funds risky research that lead to pandemic.  Lab accidents are rare while 75% of new infectious diseases come from animals.  Uncertain if sick Wuhan lab workers contract coronavirus.  Even if coronavirus comes from lab, no proof that genome has been manipulated.  Unlikely bio-engineering leaves no genetic signature.

    https://nypost.com/2021/06/06/damning-science-shows-covid-19-likely-engineered-in-lab/

    "Writing in an opinion piece for the Wall Street Journal, Dr. Steven Quay and Richard Muller pointed to two key pieces of evidence to support the claim, which has increasingly gained steam after long being derided as little more than speculation.

    The first relates to the nature of gain-of-function research, in which microbiologists tweak a virus’ genome to alter its properties, such as making it more transmissible or more lethal.

    Of the 36 possible genome pairings that can produce two arginine amino acids in a row — which results in boosting a virus’ lethality — the one most commonly used in gain-of-function research is CGG-CGG, or double CGG, wrote Quay and Muller.

    “The insertion sequence of choice is the double CGG,” wrote Quay, the founder of Atossa Therapeutics, and Muller, a former top scientist at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory who now teaches physics at the University of California’s Berkeley campus.

    “That’s because it is readily available and convenient, and scientists have a great deal of experience inserting it,” they wrote. “An additional advantage of the double CGG sequence compared with the other 35 possible choices: It creates a useful beacon that permits the scientists to track the insertion in the laboratory.”

    The pair noted that the double CGG sequence has never been found naturally among the entire group of coronaviruses that includes CoV-2, which causes COVID-19.

    But, in what Quay and Muller called a “damning fact,” it was found in CoV-2."

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: It was widely stated IT WAS NOT FROM A LAB.  (and only because Trump said otherwise) Biden Admin has shutdown the Trump admin investigation seeking information it came from that lab. Wonder why????    It came from that lab from sloppy handling. Shutdown of Trump administration investigation because of ineffective use of resources after doubts about legitimacy of discoveries.  Trump tries to blame China for pandemic and cherry picks information to support conspiracy theories.  Instead Biden orders new report from US intelligence.  Unclear how much can be learned in 90 days because of limited cooperation from China and years of investigations required to find origin of other viruses in the past.  For doctor Fauci and majority of scientists, evidences supporting animal origin are far stronger than for  lab origin.  Unlikely National institute of health funds risky research that lead to pandemic.  Lab accidents are rare while 75% of new infectious diseases come from animals.  Uncertain if sick Wuhan lab workers contract coronavirus.  Even if coronavirus comes from lab, no proof that genome has been manipulated.  Unlikely bio-engineering leaves no genetic signature.

    https://nypost.com/2021/06/06/damning-science-shows-covid-19-likely-engineered-in-lab/

    "Writing in an opinion piece for the Wall Street Journal, Dr. Steven Quay and Richard Muller pointed to two key pieces of evidence to support the claim, which has increasingly gained steam after long being derided as little more than speculation.

    The first relates to the nature of gain-of-function research, in which microbiologists tweak a virus’ genome to alter its properties, such as making it more transmissible or more lethal.

    Of the 36 possible genome pairings that can produce two arginine amino acids in a row — which results in boosting a virus’ lethality — the one most commonly used in gain-of-function research is CGG-CGG, or double CGG, wrote Quay and Muller.

    “The insertion sequence of choice is the double CGG,” wrote Quay, the founder of Atossa Therapeutics, and Muller, a former top scientist at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory who now teaches physics at the University of California’s Berkeley campus.

    “That’s because it is readily available and convenient, and scientists have a great deal of experience inserting it,” they wrote. “An additional advantage of the double CGG sequence compared with the other 35 possible choices: It creates a useful beacon that permits the scientists to track the insertion in the laboratory.”

    The pair noted that the double CGG sequence has never been found naturally among the entire group of coronaviruses that includes CoV-2, which causes COVID-19.

    But, in what Quay and Muller called a “damning fact,” it was found in CoV-2."

     

     
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     This shit not only came from a lab, it was a targeted attack. I've believed this from the beginning. It's sad that after all that has happened, people still refuse to acknowledge how horrible and unscrupulous the Chinese government is.

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     This shit not only came from a lab, it was a targeted attack. I've believed this from the beginning. It's sad that after all that has happened, people still refuse to acknowledge how horrible and unscrupulous the Chinese government is.

     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 7, 2021 - 9:48 AM ET #75

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    You do know that they take diseases from animals and work in them in labs right?  So saying that 75% of infectious diseases come from animals is irrelevant.  Id be willing to bet that they now have proof that the virus escaped from the lab and now they’re just getting out in front of the story.

    Brother tox, I would venture to say out intelligence community has known all along and kept it quiet because it was a targeted attack. This info was out over a year ago. Largest collection of bat corona viruses in the world. Manipulating bat corona viruses to make them more infectious right there in Wuhan but nope, it came from a Pangolin that was bitten by a bat. Bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    You do know that they take diseases from animals and work in them in labs right?  So saying that 75% of infectious diseases come from animals is irrelevant.  Id be willing to bet that they now have proof that the virus escaped from the lab and now they’re just getting out in front of the story.

    Brother tox, I would venture to say out intelligence community has known all along and kept it quiet because it was a targeted attack. This info was out over a year ago. Largest collection of bat corona viruses in the world. Manipulating bat corona viruses to make them more infectious right there in Wuhan but nope, it came from a Pangolin that was bitten by a bat. Bullshit.

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