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    Posted: Apr. 12, 2021 - 8:33 PM ET #1

    4 hours ago a 20 year old man was gun down in Minnesota police chief felt his officer was reaching for a teaser.  

    The department released dramatic   bodycam footage of the incident, which has rocked the Minneapolis suburb miles from where George Floyd was killed during a police arrest last May.     

    Daunte Wright was shot once and died after the traffic stop Sunday, Brooklyn Center Police Chief Tim Gannon said. Body camera footage released during a news conference shows two other officers approaching Wright's car and the officer who fired the shot standing behind them.

    Source. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/04/12/daunte-wright-police-shooting-near-minneapolis-protest-what-to-know/7185768002/

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    4 hours ago a 20 year old man was gun down in Minnesota police chief felt his officer was reaching for a teaser.  

    The department released dramatic   bodycam footage of the incident, which has rocked the Minneapolis suburb miles from where George Floyd was killed during a police arrest last May.     

    Daunte Wright was shot once and died after the traffic stop Sunday, Brooklyn Center Police Chief Tim Gannon said. Body camera footage released during a news conference shows two other officers approaching Wright's car and the officer who fired the shot standing behind them.

    Source. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/04/12/daunte-wright-police-shooting-near-minneapolis-protest-what-to-know/7185768002/

     
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    Posted: Apr. 12, 2021 - 8:42 PM ET #2

    If a police officer tells me to put my hands behind my back, I do so. I don't struggle to get away.

    If I am to show up at court on a gun charge, I show up to court on the date scheduled. I don't want a warrant out for my arrest.

    Should the kid have been shot, no. But stuff like this happens far too often to people who put themselves in situations like this. 

     

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    If a police officer tells me to put my hands behind my back, I do so. I don't struggle to get away.

    If I am to show up at court on a gun charge, I show up to court on the date scheduled. I don't want a warrant out for my arrest.

    Should the kid have been shot, no. But stuff like this happens far too often to people who put themselves in situations like this. 

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 12, 2021 - 8:50 PM ET #3

    There is a curfew for Hennepin County yet protestors have decided to violate the curfew to hold a vigil tonight. Why not hold the vigil before the curfew and avoid a confrontation with the police?

     

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    There is a curfew for Hennepin County yet protestors have decided to violate the curfew to hold a vigil tonight. Why not hold the vigil before the curfew and avoid a confrontation with the police?

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 12, 2021 - 9:12 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    If a police officer tells me to put my hands behind my back, I do so. I don't struggle to get away. If I am to show up at court on a gun charge, I show up to court on the date scheduled. I don't want a warrant out for my arrest. Should the kid have been shot, no. But stuff like this happens far too often to people who put themselves in situations like this.

    Was that what the warrant was for? The whole "thought I was grabbing for my tazer." gag is some bullshit. Sadly, once again, we won't focus on training. We won't focus on the vetting process. It'll tacist cops and riots hour this time too. Nothing will change.

    R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    If a police officer tells me to put my hands behind my back, I do so. I don't struggle to get away. If I am to show up at court on a gun charge, I show up to court on the date scheduled. I don't want a warrant out for my arrest. Should the kid have been shot, no. But stuff like this happens far too often to people who put themselves in situations like this.

    Was that what the warrant was for? The whole "thought I was grabbing for my tazer." gag is some bullshit. Sadly, once again, we won't focus on training. We won't focus on the vetting process. It'll tacist cops and riots hour this time too. Nothing will change.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 12, 2021 - 9:23 PM ET #5

    She must of been a guard.

    What ever they thought it just got a ton worse.

    Cause no one grabs a glock 19 and caps someone thinking they are holding a taser. 

    How many idiot police shootings have their been 

    We have the fall as cop who capped a guy in his apartment

    her defense she thought it was her apartment.

    Revealing police can't even find their own apartment in Dallas.

    We have the no mock warrant where police broke in a paramedics door and shot her dead. 

    Mistook her house for a crack house in the area when getting the warrant.

    We have this lady genius cop who can't tell whether she holding a taser or a hand gun.

    We even have cops in Virginia pepper spraying army officers in routine traffic stop... 

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    She must of been a guard.

    What ever they thought it just got a ton worse.

    Cause no one grabs a glock 19 and caps someone thinking they are holding a taser. 

    How many idiot police shootings have their been 

    We have the fall as cop who capped a guy in his apartment

    her defense she thought it was her apartment.

    Revealing police can't even find their own apartment in Dallas.

    We have the no mock warrant where police broke in a paramedics door and shot her dead. 

    Mistook her house for a crack house in the area when getting the warrant.

    We have this lady genius cop who can't tell whether she holding a taser or a hand gun.

    We even have cops in Virginia pepper spraying army officers in routine traffic stop... 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2021 - 12:57 PM ET #6

    @StumpTownStu

     Carrying a pistol without a permit.

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    @StumpTownStu

     Carrying a pistol without a permit.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2021 - 1:19 PM ET #7

     

    @Midnight1

    Was the gun unregistered or was it a conceal carry violation? Huge difference.

    R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
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    @Midnight1

    Was the gun unregistered or was it a conceal carry violation? Huge difference.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2021 - 5:12 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    If a police officer tells me to put my hands behind my back, I do so. I don't struggle to get away. If I am to show up at court on a gun charge, I show up to court on the date scheduled. I don't want a warrant out for my arrest. Should the kid have been shot, no. But stuff like this happens far too often to people who put themselves in situations like this.

    Absolutely agree.  peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    If a police officer tells me to put my hands behind my back, I do so. I don't struggle to get away. If I am to show up at court on a gun charge, I show up to court on the date scheduled. I don't want a warrant out for my arrest. Should the kid have been shot, no. But stuff like this happens far too often to people who put themselves in situations like this.

    Absolutely agree.  peace_5

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2021 - 5:24 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    She must of been a guard. What ever they thought it just got a ton worse. Cause no one grabs a glock 19 and caps someone thinking they are holding a taser.  How many idiot police shootings have their been  We have the fall as cop who capped a guy in his apartment her defense she thought it was her apartment. Revealing police can't even find their own apartment in Dallas. We have the no mock warrant where police broke in a paramedics door and shot her dead.  Mistook her house for a crack house in the area when getting the warrant. We have this lady genius cop who can't tell whether she holding a taser or a hand gun. We even have cops in Virginia pepper spraying army officers in routine traffic stop...

    Sadly, this is completely untrue.  You always would like to have someone that is highly trained to a point where they react calmly, with muscle memory.  For example, a preference would be ex-military or something along those lines.

    For example, in every training session we always emphasize that the first time you are in a volatile, or agitated situation, the cop will have to pull his sidearm for the first time.  No matter how much training, or discipline you think you have, all the studies show that most people really do not know how they will react.

    If you are not complying or such and 'force' a cop to pull his sidearm for the first time you 'could' be taking a risk. 

    Do not put a cop in that situation.

    A cop that has had to pull his weapon many times over his career will almost never make this mistake.

    That doesn't absolve the cop and certainly does not dismiss that there are 'rogue cops'.

    But, again, it does happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    She must of been a guard. What ever they thought it just got a ton worse. Cause no one grabs a glock 19 and caps someone thinking they are holding a taser.  How many idiot police shootings have their been  We have the fall as cop who capped a guy in his apartment her defense she thought it was her apartment. Revealing police can't even find their own apartment in Dallas. We have the no mock warrant where police broke in a paramedics door and shot her dead.  Mistook her house for a crack house in the area when getting the warrant. We have this lady genius cop who can't tell whether she holding a taser or a hand gun. We even have cops in Virginia pepper spraying army officers in routine traffic stop...

    Sadly, this is completely untrue.  You always would like to have someone that is highly trained to a point where they react calmly, with muscle memory.  For example, a preference would be ex-military or something along those lines.

    For example, in every training session we always emphasize that the first time you are in a volatile, or agitated situation, the cop will have to pull his sidearm for the first time.  No matter how much training, or discipline you think you have, all the studies show that most people really do not know how they will react.

    If you are not complying or such and 'force' a cop to pull his sidearm for the first time you 'could' be taking a risk. 

    Do not put a cop in that situation.

    A cop that has had to pull his weapon many times over his career will almost never make this mistake.

    That doesn't absolve the cop and certainly does not dismiss that there are 'rogue cops'.

    But, again, it does happen.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2021 - 5:58 PM ET #10

    For every time someone says just comply, show them this. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqJgczR7AJ4

     

    The Army Lt. was exactly right. There is no obligation to exit a vehicle for a traffic infraction. 

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    For every time someone says just comply, show them this. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqJgczR7AJ4

     

    The Army Lt. was exactly right. There is no obligation to exit a vehicle for a traffic infraction. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2021 - 9:11 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: She must of been a guard. What ever they thought it just got a ton worse. Cause no one grabs a glock 19 and caps someone thinking they are holding a taser.  How many idiot police shootings have their been  We have the fall as cop who capped a guy in his apartment her defense she thought it was her apartment. Revealing police can't even find their own apartment in Dallas. We have the no mock warrant where police broke in a paramedics door and shot her dead.  Mistook her house for a crack house in the area when getting the warrant. We have this lady genius cop who can't tell whether she holding a taser or a hand gun. We even have cops in Virginia pepper spraying army officers in routine traffic stop... Sadly, this is completely untrue.  You always would like to have someone that is highly trained to a point where they react calmly, with muscle memory.  For example, a preference would be ex-military or something along those lines. For example, in every training session we always emphasize that the first time you are in a volatile, or agitated situation, the cop will have to pull his sidearm for the first time.  No matter how much training, or discipline you think you have, all the studies show that most people really do not know how they will react. If you are not complying or such and 'force' a cop to pull his sidearm for the first time you 'could' be taking a risk.  Do not put a cop in that situation. A cop that has had to pull his weapon many times over his career will almost never make this mistake. That doesn't absolve the cop and certainly does not dismiss that there are 'rogue cops'. But, again, it does happen.

    Sir , this is not the case here.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/04/13/heres-what-we-know-about-kim-potter-the-minnesota-officer-who-shot-daunte-wright/

    A 26 year veteran, 

    Wright’s father, Aubrey Wright, said during a Tuesday interview with ABC News’s “Good Morning America” that he “cannot accept” that his son’s death was an accident. “I can’t accept that, a mistake, that doesn’t even sound right,” he said. “You know, this officer has been on the force for 26 plus, 26 years. I can’t accept that.”

    Ok a rookie can be distracted a enlisted in the field for the first time can place the claymore back wards and consequences are tragic in the very definition of a tragedy. 

    But we are talking about a 26 year veteran of the force who must have qualified with her side arm as well as her taser. Involved in situation that never even arise to a capital offense .

    And shot a scared man who isn't old enough to enter a casino or purchase a beer or a cigarette and some oh i thought I had my t aser caused I am so blond is not an appropriate defense in back drop of the ongoing trial over another officers lack judgement. 

    And not come to reasonable conclusion that their are systematic failures in that specific department and generally police being trained to encounter civilians, United States citizens must have some universal degree of competitancy when displaying and utilizing deadly force. 

    This isn't Iraq Afghanistan or Syria those citizens are not the enemy combatants. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: She must of been a guard. What ever they thought it just got a ton worse. Cause no one grabs a glock 19 and caps someone thinking they are holding a taser.  How many idiot police shootings have their been  We have the fall as cop who capped a guy in his apartment her defense she thought it was her apartment. Revealing police can't even find their own apartment in Dallas. We have the no mock warrant where police broke in a paramedics door and shot her dead.  Mistook her house for a crack house in the area when getting the warrant. We have this lady genius cop who can't tell whether she holding a taser or a hand gun. We even have cops in Virginia pepper spraying army officers in routine traffic stop... Sadly, this is completely untrue.  You always would like to have someone that is highly trained to a point where they react calmly, with muscle memory.  For example, a preference would be ex-military or something along those lines. For example, in every training session we always emphasize that the first time you are in a volatile, or agitated situation, the cop will have to pull his sidearm for the first time.  No matter how much training, or discipline you think you have, all the studies show that most people really do not know how they will react. If you are not complying or such and 'force' a cop to pull his sidearm for the first time you 'could' be taking a risk.  Do not put a cop in that situation. A cop that has had to pull his weapon many times over his career will almost never make this mistake. That doesn't absolve the cop and certainly does not dismiss that there are 'rogue cops'. But, again, it does happen.

    Sir , this is not the case here.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/04/13/heres-what-we-know-about-kim-potter-the-minnesota-officer-who-shot-daunte-wright/

    A 26 year veteran, 

    Wright’s father, Aubrey Wright, said during a Tuesday interview with ABC News’s “Good Morning America” that he “cannot accept” that his son’s death was an accident. “I can’t accept that, a mistake, that doesn’t even sound right,” he said. “You know, this officer has been on the force for 26 plus, 26 years. I can’t accept that.”

    Ok a rookie can be distracted a enlisted in the field for the first time can place the claymore back wards and consequences are tragic in the very definition of a tragedy. 

    But we are talking about a 26 year veteran of the force who must have qualified with her side arm as well as her taser. Involved in situation that never even arise to a capital offense .

    And shot a scared man who isn't old enough to enter a casino or purchase a beer or a cigarette and some oh i thought I had my t aser caused I am so blond is not an appropriate defense in back drop of the ongoing trial over another officers lack judgement. 

    And not come to reasonable conclusion that their are systematic failures in that specific department and generally police being trained to encounter civilians, United States citizens must have some universal degree of competitancy when displaying and utilizing deadly force. 

    This isn't Iraq Afghanistan or Syria those citizens are not the enemy combatants. 

     
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    @djbrow

     Wrong in most states it you are ask to exit the vehicle it's the law 

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    @djbrow

     Wrong in most states it you are ask to exit the vehicle it's the law 

     
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    We are all missing a important point in both situations if both would have follow directions none of this would have ended up this way 

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    We are all missing a important point in both situations if both would have follow directions none of this would have ended up this way 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aronrogers:

    We are all missing a important point in both situations if both would have follow directions none of this would have ended up this way

    When should deadly force be justified. 

    When does compliance , become necessary for survival. ? 

    You can't shoot a kid fleeing from a store cause he or she stole a candy and not reasonable expect retribution.  Consequences for actions of the difference of anarchy and chaos.  

    Are these new features in the human condition? 

    The law and order establishments are destroying civil society.  Fundamentally that must be addressed within the academy training procedures .

    They are here to protect and serve the community, that's the entire scope of human life within that jurisdiction. 

    There really isn't room for any margin of era and complacency has led civil unrest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aronrogers:

    We are all missing a important point in both situations if both would have follow directions none of this would have ended up this way

    When should deadly force be justified. 

    When does compliance , become necessary for survival. ? 

    You can't shoot a kid fleeing from a store cause he or she stole a candy and not reasonable expect retribution.  Consequences for actions of the difference of anarchy and chaos.  

    Are these new features in the human condition? 

    The law and order establishments are destroying civil society.  Fundamentally that must be addressed within the academy training procedures .

    They are here to protect and serve the community, that's the entire scope of human life within that jurisdiction. 

    There really isn't room for any margin of era and complacency has led civil unrest.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2021 - 9:39 PM ET #15

    Ok Minneapolis 26 year old veteran trainibg officer and leader in the police union

    can't tell the difference between a bright green yellow taser and a semi automatic hand gun.

     

    Chief Gannon showed Potter’s body-camera footage from the traffic stop at a Monday news conference, saying he believed the shooting was accidental after reviewing the clip. In the video, Wright, who was pulled over just before 2 p.m. on Sunday for allegedly expired registration tags, is seen pulling away from police and returning to his car after the officers attempted to arrest him for an outstanding misdemeanor they discovered while checking his identification. Potter pulls out her gun and yells, “I’ll Tase you!” and then “Taser! Taser! Taser!” before firing as Wright is inside the car. After the shot is fired, Potter is heard saying, “Holy sh—-, I shot him.”

    Maybe a little.lack in training ????

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    Ok Minneapolis 26 year old veteran trainibg officer and leader in the police union

    can't tell the difference between a bright green yellow taser and a semi automatic hand gun.

     

    Chief Gannon showed Potter’s body-camera footage from the traffic stop at a Monday news conference, saying he believed the shooting was accidental after reviewing the clip. In the video, Wright, who was pulled over just before 2 p.m. on Sunday for allegedly expired registration tags, is seen pulling away from police and returning to his car after the officers attempted to arrest him for an outstanding misdemeanor they discovered while checking his identification. Potter pulls out her gun and yells, “I’ll Tase you!” and then “Taser! Taser! Taser!” before firing as Wright is inside the car. After the shot is fired, Potter is heard saying, “Holy sh—-, I shot him.”

    Maybe a little.lack in training ????

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2021 - 9:45 PM ET #16

    Unregistered vertical led to a misdeamedor warrant and now for not exiting the vehical and face the knee to jaw teqnique 

    You then  can be  facing  death by gun shot wound to head.

     

    cause a 26 year veteran thought she had her taser.

    Now it's the protestors fault . That they going on a war path themselves. This is escalating conflict . 

    .

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    Unregistered vertical led to a misdeamedor warrant and now for not exiting the vehical and face the knee to jaw teqnique 

    You then  can be  facing  death by gun shot wound to head.

     

    cause a 26 year veteran thought she had her taser.

    Now it's the protestors fault . That they going on a war path themselves. This is escalating conflict . 

    .

     
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    @raiders.

    "If you are not complying or such and 'force' a cop to pull his sidearm for the first time you 'could' be taking a risk. 

    Do not put a cop in that situation.

    A cop that has had to pull his weapon many times over his career will almost never make this mistake"

    Minnesota changed the law and other law enforcement agencies warned them of these exact consequences.

    https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/crime-and-courts/6918116-Fargo-area-law-enforcement-halts-aid-to-Minnesota-police-until-officers-train-on-deadly-force-law

    Last year, the Minnesota Legislature updated its statute on deadly force. Before, officers could use deadly force if a reasonable apparent threat of death or great bodily harm was present.

    The word “apparent” was replaced with a three-pronged test that went into effect Monday, March 1. Officers must articulate a threat with specificity, know death or great bodily harm is likely to occur if an officer doesn’t use deadly force, and the threat must be addressed with deadly force without unreasonable delay.

    “It can't be something that you perceive,” said West Fargo Police Chief Denis Otterness, explaining that officers must be certain a threat exists.

    For instance, an officer can’t use deadly force if they merely think a suspect has a gun, Clay County Attorney Brian Melton said. The officer has to be able to say they saw the suspect with a gun, he said.

     

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    @raiders.

    "If you are not complying or such and 'force' a cop to pull his sidearm for the first time you 'could' be taking a risk. 

    Do not put a cop in that situation.

    A cop that has had to pull his weapon many times over his career will almost never make this mistake"

    Minnesota changed the law and other law enforcement agencies warned them of these exact consequences.

    https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/crime-and-courts/6918116-Fargo-area-law-enforcement-halts-aid-to-Minnesota-police-until-officers-train-on-deadly-force-law

    Last year, the Minnesota Legislature updated its statute on deadly force. Before, officers could use deadly force if a reasonable apparent threat of death or great bodily harm was present.

    The word “apparent” was replaced with a three-pronged test that went into effect Monday, March 1. Officers must articulate a threat with specificity, know death or great bodily harm is likely to occur if an officer doesn’t use deadly force, and the threat must be addressed with deadly force without unreasonable delay.

    “It can't be something that you perceive,” said West Fargo Police Chief Denis Otterness, explaining that officers must be certain a threat exists.

    For instance, an officer can’t use deadly force if they merely think a suspect has a gun, Clay County Attorney Brian Melton said. The officer has to be able to say they saw the suspect with a gun, he said.

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2021 - 10:24 PM ET #18

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     Deadly force would have not been used if followed instructions  man you are hard headed or stupid

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    @nature1970

     Deadly force would have not been used if followed instructions  man you are hard headed or stupid

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2021 - 10:31 PM ET #19

    There are laws of when deadly force can be used. Deadly force can always be used but their are consequences for when it is used in direct contradiction to law. 

    And pleading blond will not work this case. 

    This conduct is at least involuntary manslaughter .

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    There are laws of when deadly force can be used. Deadly force can always be used but their are consequences for when it is used in direct contradiction to law. 

    And pleading blond will not work this case. 

    This conduct is at least involuntary manslaughter .

     
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    Last year, the Minnesota Legislature updated its statute on deadly force. Before, officers could use deadly force if a reasonable apparent threat of death or great bodily harm was present.

    Say for the benefit of the doubt that the officer indeed under the beat of field conditions becoming uncontrollable indeed felt she had and was using a taser. In the field. 

    Why would that be an option or necessary?

    Last year, the Minnesota Legislature updated its statute on deadly force. Before, officers could use deadly force if a reasonable apparent threat of death or great bodily harm was present.

    Because the law dictated that it was nesecassay. 

    It not that difficult to comprehend it falls under the statue of no one is above the law not even police and their union rep.

     

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    Last year, the Minnesota Legislature updated its statute on deadly force. Before, officers could use deadly force if a reasonable apparent threat of death or great bodily harm was present.

    Say for the benefit of the doubt that the officer indeed under the beat of field conditions becoming uncontrollable indeed felt she had and was using a taser. In the field. 

    Why would that be an option or necessary?

    Last year, the Minnesota Legislature updated its statute on deadly force. Before, officers could use deadly force if a reasonable apparent threat of death or great bodily harm was present.

    Because the law dictated that it was nesecassay. 

    It not that difficult to comprehend it falls under the statue of no one is above the law not even police and their union rep.

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2021 - 10:43 PM ET #21

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     Its actually not the law. It is based on how each State interprets reasonable traffic stops under Pennsylvania v. Mimms (which has been limited in many respects since its decision in 1977). It is also based on what is construed a traffic stop and a related seizure. Many states, including VA, have limitations on what may occur at a traffic stop for an infraction (i.e. registration issue) rather than a criminal investigation. 

    As an aside, in the video I presented, he was told to exit the vehicle before a criminal investigation occurred. It would be no different than police coming to your home and demanding you exit because of a sign in your yard. Its a violation of the 4th Amendment. 

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     Its actually not the law. It is based on how each State interprets reasonable traffic stops under Pennsylvania v. Mimms (which has been limited in many respects since its decision in 1977). It is also based on what is construed a traffic stop and a related seizure. Many states, including VA, have limitations on what may occur at a traffic stop for an infraction (i.e. registration issue) rather than a criminal investigation. 

    As an aside, in the video I presented, he was told to exit the vehicle before a criminal investigation occurred. It would be no different than police coming to your home and demanding you exit because of a sign in your yard. Its a violation of the 4th Amendment. 

     
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    “It can't be something that you perceive,” said West Fargo Police Chief Denis Otterness, explaining that officers must be certain a threat exists.

    For instance, an officer can’t use deadly force if they merely think a suspect has a gun, Clay County Attorney Brian Melton said. The officer has to be able to say they saw the suspect with a gun, he said.

    Hence the need to actual use a t aser in this specific situation grabbing the wrong weapon as a 26 year veteran union president is still not going to get her off the hook.

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    “It can't be something that you perceive,” said West Fargo Police Chief Denis Otterness, explaining that officers must be certain a threat exists.

    For instance, an officer can’t use deadly force if they merely think a suspect has a gun, Clay County Attorney Brian Melton said. The officer has to be able to say they saw the suspect with a gun, he said.

    Hence the need to actual use a t aser in this specific situation grabbing the wrong weapon as a 26 year veteran union president is still not going to get her off the hook.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2021 - 10:50 PM ET #23

    The Dallas cop was convicted for shooting a man in his living room.

    Former detective in Louisville faces three felony charges for killing a paramedics eating popcorn.

    https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/breonna-taylor/2020/09/23/what-we-know-about-officer-brett-hankison-indicted-in-breonna-taylor-shooting/5490411002/

    Harassing an army officer because you thought he was apart of the black militia has not saved those men their jobs.

    Stupid isn't a defense even if you are a cop.

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    The Dallas cop was convicted for shooting a man in his living room.

    Former detective in Louisville faces three felony charges for killing a paramedics eating popcorn.

    https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/breonna-taylor/2020/09/23/what-we-know-about-officer-brett-hankison-indicted-in-breonna-taylor-shooting/5490411002/

    Harassing an army officer because you thought he was apart of the black militia has not saved those men their jobs.

    Stupid isn't a defense even if you are a cop.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2021 - 11:04 PM ET #24

    Mayor called for the resignation of chief and potter.

    Mayor Mike Elliott also told reporters the City Council had passed a resolution calling for the dismissal of both Gannon and Potter, a 26-year veteran of the police force. 

    Potter's resignation letter, a single paragraph, read: "I have loved every minute of being a police officer and serving this community to the best of my ability, but I believe it is in the best interest of the community, the department, and my fellow officers if I resign immediately.

    Chief Tim Gannon and officer Kim Potter resigned.

    Source https://www.dw.com/en/minneapolis-police-chief-officer-resign-after-shooting/a-57190458 

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    Mayor called for the resignation of chief and potter.

    Mayor Mike Elliott also told reporters the City Council had passed a resolution calling for the dismissal of both Gannon and Potter, a 26-year veteran of the police force. 

    Potter's resignation letter, a single paragraph, read: "I have loved every minute of being a police officer and serving this community to the best of my ability, but I believe it is in the best interest of the community, the department, and my fellow officers if I resign immediately.

    Chief Tim Gannon and officer Kim Potter resigned.

    Source https://www.dw.com/en/minneapolis-police-chief-officer-resign-after-shooting/a-57190458 

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    The Dallas cop was convicted for shooting a man in his living room. Former detective in Louisville faces three felony charges for killing a paramedics eating popcorn. https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/breonna-taylor/2020/09/23/what-we-know-about-officer-brett-hankison-indicted-in-breonna-taylor-shooting/5490411002/ Harassing an army officer because you thought he was apart of the black militia has not saved those men their jobs. Stupid isn't a defense even if you are a cop.

    The consequences America has witnessed billions of dollars of damage because of the actions of the few individuals

    Complete chaos at times for the last year because of the actions of these specific "you can't be that stupid" moments in law enforcement. 

    Guess what they running police officers over in cars in Washington D.C.. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    The Dallas cop was convicted for shooting a man in his living room. Former detective in Louisville faces three felony charges for killing a paramedics eating popcorn. https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/breonna-taylor/2020/09/23/what-we-know-about-officer-brett-hankison-indicted-in-breonna-taylor-shooting/5490411002/ Harassing an army officer because you thought he was apart of the black militia has not saved those men their jobs. Stupid isn't a defense even if you are a cop.

    The consequences America has witnessed billions of dollars of damage because of the actions of the few individuals

    Complete chaos at times for the last year because of the actions of these specific "you can't be that stupid" moments in law enforcement. 

    Guess what they running police officers over in cars in Washington D.C.. 

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