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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2021 - 3:27 PM ET #51

    Let me guess... 

    Ethnicity ranked by median income 

    1. Asian 

    2. White 

    3. Hispanic 

    4. Black 

    Likelihood of getting death penalty by race 

    1. Black 

    2. Hispanic 

    3. White 

    4. Asian 

    The likelihood of getting the death penalty has much more to do with wealth than skin color. If I was facing the death penalty I’d much rather be a wealthy black man with a top law firm defending me than a poor white man with Joe Blow the public defender defending me. 

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    Let me guess... 

    Ethnicity ranked by median income 

    1. Asian 

    2. White 

    3. Hispanic 

    4. Black 

    Likelihood of getting death penalty by race 

    1. Black 

    2. Hispanic 

    3. White 

    4. Asian 

    The likelihood of getting the death penalty has much more to do with wealth than skin color. If I was facing the death penalty I’d much rather be a wealthy black man with a top law firm defending me than a poor white man with Joe Blow the public defender defending me. 

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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2021 - 3:29 PM ET #52

    I want to see the data showing that a black man is 40x more likely to get the death penalty than a white man. 

    Source please. 

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    I want to see the data showing that a black man is 40x more likely to get the death penalty than a white man. 

    Source please. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2021 - 3:38 PM ET #53

    News: black people are over represented on death row at 52% 

    Reality: black people are disproportionately committing murder. At 12% of the population they are committing 52% of the murders 

    Outcome: black people (over generalization)  read the headlines and are indoctrinated to believe that America is against them... an extremely detrimental mindset... especially when it’s just not true. 

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    News: black people are over represented on death row at 52% 

    Reality: black people are disproportionately committing murder. At 12% of the population they are committing 52% of the murders 

    Outcome: black people (over generalization)  read the headlines and are indoctrinated to believe that America is against them... an extremely detrimental mindset... especially when it’s just not true. 

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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2021 - 3:52 PM ET #54

    Google “death penalty by race” 

    See if one of the articles from AP, WaPo, CNN, NY Times, ACLU, NAACP, even mention the percent of murders being committed by black people. 

    Kind of important don’t you think? 

    How could they all fail to mention this? 

    It’s almost as if they’re trying to push a false narrative and indoctrinate an entire group of people. 

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    Google “death penalty by race” 

    See if one of the articles from AP, WaPo, CNN, NY Times, ACLU, NAACP, even mention the percent of murders being committed by black people. 

    Kind of important don’t you think? 

    How could they all fail to mention this? 

    It’s almost as if they’re trying to push a false narrative and indoctrinate an entire group of people. 

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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2021 - 4:04 PM ET #55

    This is basically what the top information sources in this country are saying: 

    “Black people commit 52% of the murders in this country. They only make up 12% of the population. Black people make up 52% of the death row inmates and the reason for that is America doesn’t value black lives the same way America values white lives.” 

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    And people believe it. 

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    This is basically what the top information sources in this country are saying: 

    “Black people commit 52% of the murders in this country. They only make up 12% of the population. Black people make up 52% of the death row inmates and the reason for that is America doesn’t value black lives the same way America values white lives.” 

    an_roll_laughan_roll_laughan_roll_laughan_roll_laugh

     

    And people believe it. 

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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2021 - 4:07 PM ET #56

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Let me guess...  Ethnicity ranked by median income  1. Asian  2. White  3. Hispanic  4. Black  Likelihood of getting death penalty by race  1. Black  2. Hispanic  3. White  4. Asian  The likelihood of getting the death penalty has much more to do with wealth than skin color. If I was facing the death penalty I’d much rather be a wealthy black man with a top law firm defending me than a poor white man with Joe Blow the public defender defending me.

     

    Possibly. I'm not sure that makes any difference if you are dealing with the same statistical grouping. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Let me guess...  Ethnicity ranked by median income  1. Asian  2. White  3. Hispanic  4. Black  Likelihood of getting death penalty by race  1. Black  2. Hispanic  3. White  4. Asian  The likelihood of getting the death penalty has much more to do with wealth than skin color. If I was facing the death penalty I’d much rather be a wealthy black man with a top law firm defending me than a poor white man with Joe Blow the public defender defending me.

     

    Possibly. I'm not sure that makes any difference if you are dealing with the same statistical grouping. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2021 - 4:09 PM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    I want to see the data showing that a black man is 40x more likely to get the death penalty than a white man.  Source please.

     

    Shepardize Furman v. Georgia. It is presented in every single death penalty case and cited in every appeal. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    I want to see the data showing that a black man is 40x more likely to get the death penalty than a white man.  Source please.

     

    Shepardize Furman v. Georgia. It is presented in every single death penalty case and cited in every appeal. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2021 - 4:09 PM ET #58

    You believe that net worth doesn’t make any difference when facing the death penalty? 

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    You believe that net worth doesn’t make any difference when facing the death penalty? 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2021 - 4:10 PM ET #59

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    This is basically what the top information sources in this country are saying:  “Black people commit 52% of the murders in this country. They only make up 12% of the population. Black people make up 52% of the death row inmates and the reason for that is America doesn’t value black lives the same way America values white lives.”    And people believe it.

     

    I am obviously assuming you aren't speaking to me because I have addressed this in numerous posts. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    This is basically what the top information sources in this country are saying:  “Black people commit 52% of the murders in this country. They only make up 12% of the population. Black people make up 52% of the death row inmates and the reason for that is America doesn’t value black lives the same way America values white lives.”    And people believe it.

     

    I am obviously assuming you aren't speaking to me because I have addressed this in numerous posts. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2021 - 4:12 PM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    You believe that net worth doesn’t make any difference when facing the death penalty?

     

    Oh absolutely it does. But, again, I am addressing the race of the victim, not the person who is the accused. 

    Why is this such a hard concept for you? If you want to address my argument, that is the issue. 

    And before you say black on black murder is more prominent, I agree. Which should mean that blacks are statistically more likely than whites to receieve the death penalty. That is actually not completely accurate. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    You believe that net worth doesn’t make any difference when facing the death penalty?

     

    Oh absolutely it does. But, again, I am addressing the race of the victim, not the person who is the accused. 

    Why is this such a hard concept for you? If you want to address my argument, that is the issue. 

    And before you say black on black murder is more prominent, I agree. Which should mean that blacks are statistically more likely than whites to receieve the death penalty. That is actually not completely accurate. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2021 - 4:13 PM ET #61

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: I want to see the data showing that a black man is 40x more likely to get the death penalty than a white man.  Source please.   Shepardize Furman v. Georgia. It is presented in every single death penalty case and cited in every appeal.

    The case is from 49 years ago. 

    Data from 49 years ago is irrelevant. If a lawyer can’t win that argument in front of a jury they should find a new profession. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: I want to see the data showing that a black man is 40x more likely to get the death penalty than a white man.  Source please.   Shepardize Furman v. Georgia. It is presented in every single death penalty case and cited in every appeal.

    The case is from 49 years ago. 

    Data from 49 years ago is irrelevant. If a lawyer can’t win that argument in front of a jury they should find a new profession. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2021 - 4:15 PM ET #62

    If black people are committing 52% of the murders... 

    What percent of death row inmates should be black? 

    HOW ABOUT UMMMMM ROUGHLY 52%!?!?!? 

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    If black people are committing 52% of the murders... 

    What percent of death row inmates should be black? 

    HOW ABOUT UMMMMM ROUGHLY 52%!?!?!? 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2021 - 4:19 PM ET #63

    Biden was fighting to keep schools segregated when the justices wrote their decisions in that case 

     

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    Biden was fighting to keep schools segregated when the justices wrote their decisions in that case 

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    If black people are committing 52% of the murders...  What percent of death row inmates should be black?  HOW ABOUT UMMMMM ROUGHLY 52%!?!?!?

     

    Notice how your keep talking about the perpetrators and I keep talking about the victims. Do you know why that is?an_light

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    If black people are committing 52% of the murders...  What percent of death row inmates should be black?  HOW ABOUT UMMMMM ROUGHLY 52%!?!?!?

     

    Notice how your keep talking about the perpetrators and I keep talking about the victims. Do you know why that is?an_light

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow: Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: I want to see the data showing that a black man is 40x more likely to get the death penalty than a white man.  Source please.   Shepardize Furman v. Georgia. It is presented in every single death penalty case and cited in every appeal. The case is from 49 years ago.  Data from 49 years ago is irrelevant. If a lawyer can’t win that argument in front of a jury they should find a new profession.

     

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/scans/aclu_dp_factsheet4.pdf

     

    I'm sure you will dispute this without offering any counter-data. That is because you cannot. peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow: Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: I want to see the data showing that a black man is 40x more likely to get the death penalty than a white man.  Source please.   Shepardize Furman v. Georgia. It is presented in every single death penalty case and cited in every appeal. The case is from 49 years ago.  Data from 49 years ago is irrelevant. If a lawyer can’t win that argument in front of a jury they should find a new profession.

     

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/scans/aclu_dp_factsheet4.pdf

     

    I'm sure you will dispute this without offering any counter-data. That is because you cannot. peace_5

     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2021 - 10:57 PM ET #66

    If they’re committing over 50% of the murders (not mentioned in your link - why?) and make up 34% of the death row inmates it seems to me that they’re under represented on death row. 

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    If they’re committing over 50% of the murders (not mentioned in your link - why?) and make up 34% of the death row inmates it seems to me that they’re under represented on death row. 

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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2021 - 11:04 PM ET #67

    “Approximately 35% of those executed since 1976 have been black, even though blacks constitute only 12% of the population. The odds of receiving a death sentence are nearly four times higher if the defendant is black than if he or she is white.” 

    The —> 12% of total population in totally misleading. 

    The number that is much more meaningful is what percent of the total murders since 1978 were committed by a black person. 

    Why isn’t that percentage mentioned? 

    Because the number is higher than 35% and it blows a hole in the false narrative being used to indoctrinate an entire generation of people that aren’t smart enough to comprehend the data being spoon fed to them. 

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    “Approximately 35% of those executed since 1976 have been black, even though blacks constitute only 12% of the population. The odds of receiving a death sentence are nearly four times higher if the defendant is black than if he or she is white.” 

    The —> 12% of total population in totally misleading. 

    The number that is much more meaningful is what percent of the total murders since 1978 were committed by a black person. 

    Why isn’t that percentage mentioned? 

    Because the number is higher than 35% and it blows a hole in the false narrative being used to indoctrinate an entire generation of people that aren’t smart enough to comprehend the data being spoon fed to them. 

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    I’m not saying there aren’t racial problems today. I’m certainly not saying there weren’t racial problems in the past. 

    But I am saying that the narrative being fed today, in 2021, is completely misguided. Black people are used as pawns to push a false narrative. 

    Who benefits from this false narrative? 

    DEMOCRATS (and the people that own the Democrats). Democrats receive 90%+ of the black vote. 

    Democrats have been in control of nearly every black neighborhood for the last 50 years. 

    Basically nothing that Democrats do actually helps the black community. 

    Welfare has destroyed black families and black communities. 

    A disproportionate amount of black babies have been aborted. Margaret Sanger was a racist eugenics advocate and she is celebrated by Democrats. 

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    I’m not saying there aren’t racial problems today. I’m certainly not saying there weren’t racial problems in the past. 

    But I am saying that the narrative being fed today, in 2021, is completely misguided. Black people are used as pawns to push a false narrative. 

    Who benefits from this false narrative? 

    DEMOCRATS (and the people that own the Democrats). Democrats receive 90%+ of the black vote. 

    Democrats have been in control of nearly every black neighborhood for the last 50 years. 

    Basically nothing that Democrats do actually helps the black community. 

    Welfare has destroyed black families and black communities. 

    A disproportionate amount of black babies have been aborted. Margaret Sanger was a racist eugenics advocate and she is celebrated by Democrats. 

     
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    Ex police officer potter has been charged posted 100k bail and is home behind jersey barricades and fence. 

     Better get used to new yard cause the penalty carries up to 10 years for 2nd degree manslaughter. 

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    Ex police officer potter has been charged posted 100k bail and is home behind jersey barricades and fence. 

     Better get used to new yard cause the penalty carries up to 10 years for 2nd degree manslaughter. 

     
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    Because of her decision to use a side arm black small semi auto looked like a walther ppk. versus her taser bright yellow green bulky looks like a child's glock 19 toy

    . Minneapolis is back to riots . 

    Yes it's a nightly fiasco of arrests tear gas flash bangs and laser light shows. Fireworks chants vigils projectile throwing bean bag shot guns...

    Yes it's back protest 2021 season. 

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    Because of her decision to use a side arm black small semi auto looked like a walther ppk. versus her taser bright yellow green bulky looks like a child's glock 19 toy

    . Minneapolis is back to riots . 

    Yes it's a nightly fiasco of arrests tear gas flash bangs and laser light shows. Fireworks chants vigils projectile throwing bean bag shot guns...

    Yes it's back protest 2021 season. 

     
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    In her case, I don't see a conviction for manslaughter. One good expert witness on quick decisions (and the fact that the person dove back in his car very well could allow a reasonable person to conclude he was going for a weapon) and the best they would get is Reckless Discharge of Firearm. 

    Unless there is something nefarious in her background (and admissible), she won't spend a day in prison. 

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    In her case, I don't see a conviction for manslaughter. One good expert witness on quick decisions (and the fact that the person dove back in his car very well could allow a reasonable person to conclude he was going for a weapon) and the best they would get is Reckless Discharge of Firearm. 

    Unless there is something nefarious in her background (and admissible), she won't spend a day in prison. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    In her case, I don't see a conviction for manslaughter. One good expert witness on quick decisions (and the fact that the person dove back in his car very well could allow a reasonable person to conclude he was going for a weapon) and the best they would get is Reckless Discharge of Firearm.  Unless there is something nefarious in her background (and admissible), she won't spend a day in prison.

    Yeah, I think the taser excuse is bullshit. I think she knew good and well she was pointing her service weapon and just tried to cover her ass for the camera. The whole, I have my taser... I'm pointing my taser..." dialogue just sounds disingenuous. With that said, even if she did know she was holding a pistol, she probably could've justifiably shot him. It's heart wrenching. We can always say what should have been handled differently but diving into a car during a police struggle is probably not the best decision to make. Not a defense of her actions bur this isn't George Floyd. Drugs or no drugs, neck or shoulder blade, Chauvin made a decision to put his weight on a handcuffed, distressed man for close to 10 minutes. A single shot only takes a split second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    In her case, I don't see a conviction for manslaughter. One good expert witness on quick decisions (and the fact that the person dove back in his car very well could allow a reasonable person to conclude he was going for a weapon) and the best they would get is Reckless Discharge of Firearm.  Unless there is something nefarious in her background (and admissible), she won't spend a day in prison.

    Yeah, I think the taser excuse is bullshit. I think she knew good and well she was pointing her service weapon and just tried to cover her ass for the camera. The whole, I have my taser... I'm pointing my taser..." dialogue just sounds disingenuous. With that said, even if she did know she was holding a pistol, she probably could've justifiably shot him. It's heart wrenching. We can always say what should have been handled differently but diving into a car during a police struggle is probably not the best decision to make. Not a defense of her actions bur this isn't George Floyd. Drugs or no drugs, neck or shoulder blade, Chauvin made a decision to put his weight on a handcuffed, distressed man for close to 10 minutes. A single shot only takes a split second.

     
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    And the carnage continues.

    According to Hansen, the city received at least 200 calls reporting burglaries, alarms or damage to businesses since Sunday night. About 140 businesses were impacted, spread around the city but many run by people of color and immigrants.

    Hansen said the city is still evaluating how much damage was caused but they aren't expected to rise to levels where help would be requested from the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

    https://kstp.com/minnesota-news/about-140-minneapolis-businesses-damaged-this-week-in-crime-spree/6076358/

    City paid for officer potter barricade.

    City workers fortified Kim Potter's home after she was identified by authorities as the police officer who shot 20-year-old Daunte Wright.

    Source. https://patch.com/minnesota/southwestminneapolis/amp/29425819/barricades-built-around-ex-officer-kim-potters-house

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    And the carnage continues.

    According to Hansen, the city received at least 200 calls reporting burglaries, alarms or damage to businesses since Sunday night. About 140 businesses were impacted, spread around the city but many run by people of color and immigrants.

    Hansen said the city is still evaluating how much damage was caused but they aren't expected to rise to levels where help would be requested from the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

    https://kstp.com/minnesota-news/about-140-minneapolis-businesses-damaged-this-week-in-crime-spree/6076358/

    City paid for officer potter barricade.

    City workers fortified Kim Potter's home after she was identified by authorities as the police officer who shot 20-year-old Daunte Wright.

    Source. https://patch.com/minnesota/southwestminneapolis/amp/29425819/barricades-built-around-ex-officer-kim-potters-house

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow: In her case, I don't see a conviction for manslaughter. One good expert witness on quick decisions (and the fact that the person dove back in his car very well could allow a reasonable person to conclude he was going for a weapon) and the best they would get is Reckless Discharge of Firearm.  Unless there is something nefarious in her background (and admissible), she won't spend a day in prison. Yeah, I think the taser excuse is bullshit. I think she knew good and well she was pointing her service weapon and just tried to cover her ass for the camera. The whole, I have my taser... I'm pointing my taser..." dialogue just sounds disingenuous. With that said, even if she did know she was holding a pistol, she probably could've justifiably shot him. It's heart wrenching. We can always say what should have been handled differently but diving into a car during a police struggle is probably not the best decision to make. Not a defense of her actions bur this isn't George Floyd. Drugs or no drugs, neck or shoulder blade, Chauvin made a decision to put his weight on a handcuffed, distressed man for close to 10 minutes. A single shot only takes a split second.

    Yeah she thought she would just get away with it only 10 miles from where Floyd died. She never thought "protesters" would try to harm her, chase her away from her home. Never thought she would lose her job, face charges. After over 25 years on the police force she just decided to throw it all away, it was time to kill a black guy. 

    Yep that was it. All that TASER, TASER, TASER was just bulls**t. 

    Guns fired instead of tasers is like 18 times in the last 20 years. 

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/daunte-wright-shooting-officers-mistaken-guns-stun-guns/story?id=77049415

    Interesting they say; "Even when stun guns -- which are designed to be less-lethal weapons for law enforcement -- are deployed, they can be deadly. A 2020 Reuters analysis found that Black Americans are disproportionately killed in stun gun incidents. About 32% of those who died after being shocked by police with a stun gun were Black, even though Black Americans make up only about 13% of the population."

    There's that 13% that murders over 50% getting killed 32%. Expect they left out the murder rate.......of course!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow: In her case, I don't see a conviction for manslaughter. One good expert witness on quick decisions (and the fact that the person dove back in his car very well could allow a reasonable person to conclude he was going for a weapon) and the best they would get is Reckless Discharge of Firearm.  Unless there is something nefarious in her background (and admissible), she won't spend a day in prison. Yeah, I think the taser excuse is bullshit. I think she knew good and well she was pointing her service weapon and just tried to cover her ass for the camera. The whole, I have my taser... I'm pointing my taser..." dialogue just sounds disingenuous. With that said, even if she did know she was holding a pistol, she probably could've justifiably shot him. It's heart wrenching. We can always say what should have been handled differently but diving into a car during a police struggle is probably not the best decision to make. Not a defense of her actions bur this isn't George Floyd. Drugs or no drugs, neck or shoulder blade, Chauvin made a decision to put his weight on a handcuffed, distressed man for close to 10 minutes. A single shot only takes a split second.

    Yeah she thought she would just get away with it only 10 miles from where Floyd died. She never thought "protesters" would try to harm her, chase her away from her home. Never thought she would lose her job, face charges. After over 25 years on the police force she just decided to throw it all away, it was time to kill a black guy. 

    Yep that was it. All that TASER, TASER, TASER was just bulls**t. 

    Guns fired instead of tasers is like 18 times in the last 20 years. 

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/daunte-wright-shooting-officers-mistaken-guns-stun-guns/story?id=77049415

    Interesting they say; "Even when stun guns -- which are designed to be less-lethal weapons for law enforcement -- are deployed, they can be deadly. A 2020 Reuters analysis found that Black Americans are disproportionately killed in stun gun incidents. About 32% of those who died after being shocked by police with a stun gun were Black, even though Black Americans make up only about 13% of the population."

    There's that 13% that murders over 50% getting killed 32%. Expect they left out the murder rate.......of course!

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by djbrow: In her case, I don't see a conviction for manslaughter. One good expert witness on quick decisions (and the fact that the person dove back in his car very well could allow a reasonable person to conclude he was going for a weapon) and the best they would get is Reckless Discharge of Firearm.  Unless there is something nefarious in her background (and admissible), she won't spend a day in prison. Yeah, I think the taser excuse is bullshit. I think she knew good and well she was pointing her service weapon and just tried to cover her ass for the camera. The whole, I have my taser... I'm pointing my taser..." dialogue just sounds disingenuous. With that said, even if she did know she was holding a pistol, she probably could've justifiably shot him. It's heart wrenching. We can always say what should have been handled differently but diving into a car during a police struggle is probably not the best decision to make. Not a defense of her actions bur this isn't George Floyd. Drugs or no drugs, neck or shoulder blade, Chauvin made a decision to put his weight on a handcuffed, distressed man for close to 10 minutes. A single shot only takes a split second. Yeah she thought she would just get away with it only 10 miles from where Floyd died. She never thought "protesters" would try to harm her, chase her away from her home. Never thought she would lose her job, face charges. After over 25 years on the police force she just decided to throw it all away, it was time to kill a black guy.  Yep that was it. All that TASER, TASER, TASER was just bulls**t.  Guns fired instead of tasers is like 18 times in the last 20 years.  https://abcnews.go.com/US/daunte-wright-shooting-officers-mistaken-guns-stun-guns/story?id=77049415 Interesting they say; "Even when stun guns -- which are designed to be less-lethal weapons for law enforcement -- are deployed, they can be deadly. A 2020 Reuters analysis found that Black Americans are disproportionately killed in stun gun incidents. About 32% of those who died after being shocked by police with a stun gun were Black, even though Black Americans make up only about 13% of the population." There's that 13% that murders over 50% getting killed 32%. Expect they left out the murder rate.......of course!

    25 years on the force and she can't tell her own service weapon from a taser? You really believe that? In the heat of the moment, right? Look, I never said she decided it was "time to kill a black man." I never even mentioned race. You did. I simply said I believe she knew she was holding a firearm, she knew she may have to use lethal force, and she yelled about her taser for the cameras to cover her ass. 25 year veteran, right? I know this stuff hits home differently for you. The fact that i've retained this about you says I think you're a solid dude. I don't really retain much said by those on this site I don't think highly off. Doesn't mean I think lowly of them. Just that I don't think of them but you've actually shared factoids about your life so that I know where you're coming from. I just disagree. The problem is many cops these days are cowards who have come to believe every potential perp has designs on killing them. Gotta kill them first. Fact is most criminals are non-violent and even amongst violent, hardened criminals, there's not a million cop killers roaming around. Cops these days know nothing of de-escalation. Just shoot first and take your chances at trial. That not what cop is suppose to be. These aren't spooks. This isn't some CIA License to Kill shit. I get that it's a dangerous job but that is what you sign up for. If you don't have the heart and the balls for it, don't do it.

    With that said, this kid was a numb nuts. He did contribute to his own demise but miss me with the taser bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by djbrow: In her case, I don't see a conviction for manslaughter. One good expert witness on quick decisions (and the fact that the person dove back in his car very well could allow a reasonable person to conclude he was going for a weapon) and the best they would get is Reckless Discharge of Firearm.  Unless there is something nefarious in her background (and admissible), she won't spend a day in prison. Yeah, I think the taser excuse is bullshit. I think she knew good and well she was pointing her service weapon and just tried to cover her ass for the camera. The whole, I have my taser... I'm pointing my taser..." dialogue just sounds disingenuous. With that said, even if she did know she was holding a pistol, she probably could've justifiably shot him. It's heart wrenching. We can always say what should have been handled differently but diving into a car during a police struggle is probably not the best decision to make. Not a defense of her actions bur this isn't George Floyd. Drugs or no drugs, neck or shoulder blade, Chauvin made a decision to put his weight on a handcuffed, distressed man for close to 10 minutes. A single shot only takes a split second. Yeah she thought she would just get away with it only 10 miles from where Floyd died. She never thought "protesters" would try to harm her, chase her away from her home. Never thought she would lose her job, face charges. After over 25 years on the police force she just decided to throw it all away, it was time to kill a black guy.  Yep that was it. All that TASER, TASER, TASER was just bulls**t.  Guns fired instead of tasers is like 18 times in the last 20 years.  https://abcnews.go.com/US/daunte-wright-shooting-officers-mistaken-guns-stun-guns/story?id=77049415 Interesting they say; "Even when stun guns -- which are designed to be less-lethal weapons for law enforcement -- are deployed, they can be deadly. A 2020 Reuters analysis found that Black Americans are disproportionately killed in stun gun incidents. About 32% of those who died after being shocked by police with a stun gun were Black, even though Black Americans make up only about 13% of the population." There's that 13% that murders over 50% getting killed 32%. Expect they left out the murder rate.......of course!

    25 years on the force and she can't tell her own service weapon from a taser? You really believe that? In the heat of the moment, right? Look, I never said she decided it was "time to kill a black man." I never even mentioned race. You did. I simply said I believe she knew she was holding a firearm, she knew she may have to use lethal force, and she yelled about her taser for the cameras to cover her ass. 25 year veteran, right? I know this stuff hits home differently for you. The fact that i've retained this about you says I think you're a solid dude. I don't really retain much said by those on this site I don't think highly off. Doesn't mean I think lowly of them. Just that I don't think of them but you've actually shared factoids about your life so that I know where you're coming from. I just disagree. The problem is many cops these days are cowards who have come to believe every potential perp has designs on killing them. Gotta kill them first. Fact is most criminals are non-violent and even amongst violent, hardened criminals, there's not a million cop killers roaming around. Cops these days know nothing of de-escalation. Just shoot first and take your chances at trial. That not what cop is suppose to be. These aren't spooks. This isn't some CIA License to Kill shit. I get that it's a dangerous job but that is what you sign up for. If you don't have the heart and the balls for it, don't do it.

    With that said, this kid was a numb nuts. He did contribute to his own demise but miss me with the taser bullshit.

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