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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2019 - 1:33 PM ET #526

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Virtually, all of the EU, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Central and South America and Far East Asia countries have universal health care systems. Call all of these nations socialism, beat it. Some of these nations have installed the universal health care as early as 1948, whatever one will call UK a socialism nation, so be it. Universal health care is here to stay, globally. 

    Some of these countries may not be socialist countries ,however single payer healthcare is a socialist system and doomed to fail..

    The Canadian healthcare system has been slowly but surely collapsing of its own weight for years ,as all socialist systems eventually do ....from doctor shortages and hospital overcrowding to the cost of medication that ten % of Canadians can not afford.

    Approximately 80,000 visits to US health care facilities occur each year by Canadians...

    Now don't get me wrong the Canadian system is good ...unless you are old, sick or need a specialist..and if you do ,,you just have to wait...and wait...or go to the Good Ol' U.S.A.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Virtually, all of the EU, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Central and South America and Far East Asia countries have universal health care systems. Call all of these nations socialism, beat it. Some of these nations have installed the universal health care as early as 1948, whatever one will call UK a socialism nation, so be it. Universal health care is here to stay, globally. 

    Some of these countries may not be socialist countries ,however single payer healthcare is a socialist system and doomed to fail..

    The Canadian healthcare system has been slowly but surely collapsing of its own weight for years ,as all socialist systems eventually do ....from doctor shortages and hospital overcrowding to the cost of medication that ten % of Canadians can not afford.

    Approximately 80,000 visits to US health care facilities occur each year by Canadians...

    Now don't get me wrong the Canadian system is good ...unless you are old, sick or need a specialist..and if you do ,,you just have to wait...and wait...or go to the Good Ol' U.S.A.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2019 - 11:05 PM ET #527

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:


    Some of these countries may not be socialist countries ,however single payer healthcare is a socialist system and doomed to fail..

    The Canadian healthcare system has been slowly but surely collapsing of its own weight for years ,as all socialist systems eventually do ....from doctor shortages and hospital overcrowding to the cost of medication that ten % of Canadians can not afford.

    Approximately 80,000 visits to US health care facilities occur each year by Canadians...

    Now don't get me wrong the Canadian system is good ...unless you are old, sick or need a specialist..and if you do ,,you just have to wait...and wait...or go to the Good Ol' U.S.A.
    On the whole, the Canadian system is both cheaper and more effective. Medical outcomes are consistently higher in Canada than in the US, except for cancer care, where the US tends to be among the best in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:


    Some of these countries may not be socialist countries ,however single payer healthcare is a socialist system and doomed to fail..

    The Canadian healthcare system has been slowly but surely collapsing of its own weight for years ,as all socialist systems eventually do ....from doctor shortages and hospital overcrowding to the cost of medication that ten % of Canadians can not afford.

    Approximately 80,000 visits to US health care facilities occur each year by Canadians...

    Now don't get me wrong the Canadian system is good ...unless you are old, sick or need a specialist..and if you do ,,you just have to wait...and wait...or go to the Good Ol' U.S.A.
    On the whole, the Canadian system is both cheaper and more effective. Medical outcomes are consistently higher in Canada than in the US, except for cancer care, where the US tends to be among the best in the world.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2019 - 11:07 PM ET #528

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    On the whole, the Canadian system is both cheaper and more effective. Medical outcomes are consistently higher in Canada than in the US, except for cancer care, where the US tends to be among the best in the world.

    https://www.quora.com/How-many-Canadians-come-to-America-for-healthcare

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    On the whole, the Canadian system is both cheaper and more effective. Medical outcomes are consistently higher in Canada than in the US, except for cancer care, where the US tends to be among the best in the world.

    https://www.quora.com/How-many-Canadians-come-to-America-for-healthcare

     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2019 - 11:49 PM ET #529

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    https://www.quora.com/How-many-Canadians-come-to-America-for-healthcare



    Article written by Harold Zwanepol, former Natural Selection Intervention Specialist.............lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    https://www.quora.com/How-many-Canadians-come-to-America-for-healthcare



    Article written by Harold Zwanepol, former Natural Selection Intervention Specialist.............lol
     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2019 - 5:54 AM ET #530

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:


    Single payer healthcare is a socialist system and doomed to fail..

    The Canadian healthcare system has been slowly but surely collapsing of its own weight for years ,as all socialist systems eventually do ....from doctor shortages and hospital overcrowding to the cost of medication that ten % of Canadians can not afford.

    Approximately 80,000 visits to US health care facilities occur each year by Canadians...

    Myth is that Canada has a socialist healthcare system.  Most doctors aren't employed by government.  They run their own private practices with the government as sole insurer of services.  Administrative costs are lower from not dealing with many insurance companies.

    Myth is that many Canadians travel to the US for medical care.  Actually, under 1% of Canadians according to Center for health policy.  80% of these visits are for emergency care and not elective care.  Far more Americans visit Canada to buy drugs.

    Myth is that Canada's healthcare system has long wait times.  Actually, majority of patients receive timely healthcare especially in cities.  Wait times may be longer in small towns or remote locations.  US has waiting lists too.  Doctors assign high priority to sickest patients and low priority to elective treatment.  Wisely choosing to control costs, Canada rations healthcare by making people wait.  Whereas the US rations healthcare by cost resulting in 40% of Americans going without healthcare. 

    Myth is that Canada's healthcare system is in bad financial shape.  For decades, single payer systems continue to survive worldwide.  A smaller percentage of GDP is spend while delivering quality healthcare with universal coverage.   Small medical problems tend to be treated earlier before they become big problems.  Most Canadians are proud of their healthcare system which they prefer  over the US one by a rate of 10 to 1. US has the most unaffordable system in the world with millions of Americans uninsured and dissatisfied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:


    Single payer healthcare is a socialist system and doomed to fail..

    The Canadian healthcare system has been slowly but surely collapsing of its own weight for years ,as all socialist systems eventually do ....from doctor shortages and hospital overcrowding to the cost of medication that ten % of Canadians can not afford.

    Approximately 80,000 visits to US health care facilities occur each year by Canadians...

    Myth is that Canada has a socialist healthcare system.  Most doctors aren't employed by government.  They run their own private practices with the government as sole insurer of services.  Administrative costs are lower from not dealing with many insurance companies.

    Myth is that many Canadians travel to the US for medical care.  Actually, under 1% of Canadians according to Center for health policy.  80% of these visits are for emergency care and not elective care.  Far more Americans visit Canada to buy drugs.

    Myth is that Canada's healthcare system has long wait times.  Actually, majority of patients receive timely healthcare especially in cities.  Wait times may be longer in small towns or remote locations.  US has waiting lists too.  Doctors assign high priority to sickest patients and low priority to elective treatment.  Wisely choosing to control costs, Canada rations healthcare by making people wait.  Whereas the US rations healthcare by cost resulting in 40% of Americans going without healthcare. 

    Myth is that Canada's healthcare system is in bad financial shape.  For decades, single payer systems continue to survive worldwide.  A smaller percentage of GDP is spend while delivering quality healthcare with universal coverage.   Small medical problems tend to be treated earlier before they become big problems.  Most Canadians are proud of their healthcare system which they prefer  over the US one by a rate of 10 to 1. US has the most unaffordable system in the world with millions of Americans uninsured and dissatisfied.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2019 - 4:25 PM ET #531

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    Article written by Harold Zwanepol, former Natural Selection Intervention Specialist.............lol

    Your sources ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    Article written by Harold Zwanepol, former Natural Selection Intervention Specialist.............lol

    Your sources ?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2019 - 5:48 PM ET #532

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:


    Some of these countries may not be socialist countries ,however single payer healthcare is a socialist system and doomed to fail..

    The Canadian healthcare system has been slowly but surely collapsing of its own weight for years ,as all socialist systems eventually do ....from doctor shortages and hospital overcrowding to the cost of medication that ten % of Canadians can not afford.

    Approximately 80,000 visits to US health care facilities occur each year by Canadians...

    Now don't get me wrong the Canadian system is good ...unless you are old, sick or need a specialist..and if you do ,,you just have to wait...and wait...or go to the Good Ol' U.S.A.

    I meant your sources for for this ,slim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:


    Some of these countries may not be socialist countries ,however single payer healthcare is a socialist system and doomed to fail..

    The Canadian healthcare system has been slowly but surely collapsing of its own weight for years ,as all socialist systems eventually do ....from doctor shortages and hospital overcrowding to the cost of medication that ten % of Canadians can not afford.

    Approximately 80,000 visits to US health care facilities occur each year by Canadians...

    Now don't get me wrong the Canadian system is good ...unless you are old, sick or need a specialist..and if you do ,,you just have to wait...and wait...or go to the Good Ol' U.S.A.

    I meant your sources for for this ,slim.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2019 - 6:38 PM ET #533

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    I meant your sources for for this ,slim.

    Start with this one...Vancouver Sun..

    https://vancouversun.com/news/national/ian-mulgrew-health-care-collapse-predicted-in-canada
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    I meant your sources for for this ,slim.

    Start with this one...Vancouver Sun..

    https://vancouversun.com/news/national/ian-mulgrew-health-care-collapse-predicted-in-canada
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:


    Start with this one...Vancouver Sun..

    https://vancouversun.com/news/national/ian-mulgrew-health-care-collapse-predicted-in-canada

    So Ian Mulgrew a columnist from a right leaning newspaper carries weight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:


    Start with this one...Vancouver Sun..

    https://vancouversun.com/news/national/ian-mulgrew-health-care-collapse-predicted-in-canada

    So Ian Mulgrew a columnist from a right leaning newspaper carries weight?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2019 - 7:16 PM ET #535

    When you are done with that one take it from a Canadian..

    Why Canadian healthcare got ranked last AGAIN..

    https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/william-watson-why-canadas-best-health-care-system-just-got-ranked-last-again

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    When you are done with that one take it from a Canadian..

    Why Canadian healthcare got ranked last AGAIN..

    https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/william-watson-why-canadas-best-health-care-system-just-got-ranked-last-again

     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2019 - 7:40 PM ET #536

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    So Ian Mulgrew a columnist from a right leaning newspaper carries weight?

    A factual search reveals the Vancouver Sun has never failed a fact check.

    Overall, we rate the Vancouver Sun Right-Center biased based on editorial positions that lean right and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record. (7/28/2016) Updated (D. Van Zandt 1/13/2019)



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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    So Ian Mulgrew a columnist from a right leaning newspaper carries weight?

    A factual search reveals the Vancouver Sun has never failed a fact check.

    Overall, we rate the Vancouver Sun Right-Center biased based on editorial positions that lean right and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record. (7/28/2016) Updated (D. Van Zandt 1/13/2019)



     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2019 - 7:56 PM ET #537

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    When you are done with that one take it from a Canadian..

    Why Canadian healthcare got ranked last AGAIN..

    https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/william-watson-why-canadas-best-health-care-system-just-got-ranked-last-again


    Another opinion piece from a conservative  canadian. You know what they say about opinions. 

    He appears to base this on wait times. Not much different than here. https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2017/03/19/doctor-wait-times-soar-amid-trumpcare-debate/#bfd98fd2e740
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    When you are done with that one take it from a Canadian..

    Why Canadian healthcare got ranked last AGAIN..

    https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/william-watson-why-canadas-best-health-care-system-just-got-ranked-last-again


    Another opinion piece from a conservative  canadian. You know what they say about opinions. 

    He appears to base this on wait times. Not much different than here. https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2017/03/19/doctor-wait-times-soar-amid-trumpcare-debate/#bfd98fd2e740
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    A factual search reveals the Vancouver Sun has never failed a fact check.

    Overall, we rate the Vancouver Sun Right-Center biased based on editorial positions that lean right and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record. (7/28/2016) Updated (D. Van Zandt 1/13/2019)




    How do you fact check an opinion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    A factual search reveals the Vancouver Sun has never failed a fact check.

    Overall, we rate the Vancouver Sun Right-Center biased based on editorial positions that lean right and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record. (7/28/2016) Updated (D. Van Zandt 1/13/2019)




    How do you fact check an opinion?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2019 - 8:09 PM ET #539

    By the way I read an article from 10 years ago about Canada's collapsing healthcare system.
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    By the way I read an article from 10 years ago about Canada's collapsing healthcare system.
     
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    Who's going to pay for the walls closing in on Trump?

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    Who's going to pay for the walls closing in on Trump?

     
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    Perhaps some Canadians can chip in here on Canadian health care system, but at least Canada practically got almost everyone insured. Right here in the States before the Affordable Care Act, millions of Americans did not have any thing from health care and these uninsured people could only pray for not getting ill, or they will have to pay dearly or filing bankruptcy for humongous medical bill.

    Just about few weeks ago, a friend of mine who was healthy but somehow contracted Legionnaires’ disease. He went to ER three times, that illness cost him over $250,000. Luckily, he's got insurance or either way he has to pay that damn bill from his pocket or WE have to pay for him if he is NOT insured and could not afford to pay that $250,000+ damn bill.  

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    Perhaps some Canadians can chip in here on Canadian health care system, but at least Canada practically got almost everyone insured. Right here in the States before the Affordable Care Act, millions of Americans did not have any thing from health care and these uninsured people could only pray for not getting ill, or they will have to pay dearly or filing bankruptcy for humongous medical bill.

    Just about few weeks ago, a friend of mine who was healthy but somehow contracted Legionnaires’ disease. He went to ER three times, that illness cost him over $250,000. Luckily, he's got insurance or either way he has to pay that damn bill from his pocket or WE have to pay for him if he is NOT insured and could not afford to pay that $250,000+ damn bill.  

     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2019 - 12:46 PM ET #542

    A bill such as the one you mention above would bankrupt many Americans. Things quickly get worse from there & in most cases add to the homeless issue in the country.

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    A bill such as the one you mention above would bankrupt many Americans. Things quickly get worse from there & in most cases add to the homeless issue in the country.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2019 - 3:33 PM ET #543

    In Canada, no citizen becomes bankrupt because of medical bills.  Unlike the US where medical bills cause half of personal bankruptcies.  US healthcare system is the worst in access, equity and efficiency among rich nations according to Commonwealth fund.

    Trump has weaken US healthcare system. Breaking promises, his budgets cut funding for medicare, medicaid and obamacare.  By sabotaging obamacare, millions of Americans could lose insurance according to Congress budget office.  He refuses to defend protection for preexisting medical conditions in lawsuits seeking to overturn obamacare. He has contributed to a rise in insurance premiums by reducing subsidies for insurers.

    By removing individual mandate, premiums could increase because fewer healthy people would subsidize the sick.  That would worsen healthcare inequality.  People without insurance use expensive emergency care at hospitals as a substitute for primary care at doctor office.  That increases costs for everyone.  National healthcare costs could rise at a faster rate than under obamacare.

    Trump isn't doing much to lower drug prices or protect medicare long term according to Center for medicare and medicaid services.  Kaiser family foundations warns that pricing provision in his medicare reform may increase costs to an unsustainable level since private insurers pay higher prices.  He is making medicare more expensive by providing a windfall for hospitals according to Brookiings Schaffer initiative for health policy.
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    In Canada, no citizen becomes bankrupt because of medical bills.  Unlike the US where medical bills cause half of personal bankruptcies.  US healthcare system is the worst in access, equity and efficiency among rich nations according to Commonwealth fund.

    Trump has weaken US healthcare system. Breaking promises, his budgets cut funding for medicare, medicaid and obamacare.  By sabotaging obamacare, millions of Americans could lose insurance according to Congress budget office.  He refuses to defend protection for preexisting medical conditions in lawsuits seeking to overturn obamacare. He has contributed to a rise in insurance premiums by reducing subsidies for insurers.

    By removing individual mandate, premiums could increase because fewer healthy people would subsidize the sick.  That would worsen healthcare inequality.  People without insurance use expensive emergency care at hospitals as a substitute for primary care at doctor office.  That increases costs for everyone.  National healthcare costs could rise at a faster rate than under obamacare.

    Trump isn't doing much to lower drug prices or protect medicare long term according to Center for medicare and medicaid services.  Kaiser family foundations warns that pricing provision in his medicare reform may increase costs to an unsustainable level since private insurers pay higher prices.  He is making medicare more expensive by providing a windfall for hospitals according to Brookiings Schaffer initiative for health policy.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2019 - 3:46 PM ET #544

    Furthermore, Trump has expanded sale of junk insurance which offers lower premiums at the expense of subpar care that don't pay medical bills.  He has implemented work requirements for medicaid which left thousands of Americans uninsured. 
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    Furthermore, Trump has expanded sale of junk insurance which offers lower premiums at the expense of subpar care that don't pay medical bills.  He has implemented work requirements for medicaid which left thousands of Americans uninsured. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2019 - 5:42 PM ET #545

    President Trump has activated his US Marine reserves to respond to 'an emergency within the United States,'  citing threats to the Homeland.'

     

     

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    President Trump has activated his US Marine reserves to respond to 'an emergency within the United States,'  citing threats to the Homeland.'

     

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2019 - 5:47 PM ET #546

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    President Trump has activated his US Marine reserves to respond to 'an emergency within the United States,'  citing threats to the Homeland.'

     

     

    infowars no doubt. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    President Trump has activated his US Marine reserves to respond to 'an emergency within the United States,'  citing threats to the Homeland.'

     

     

    infowars no doubt. 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2019 - 6:31 PM ET #547

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    President Trump has activated his US Marine reserves to respond to 'an emergency within the United States,'  citing threats to the Homeland.'

    He's the threat to the Homeland.

    Patriots are finally speaking up about this insane POS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    President Trump has activated his US Marine reserves to respond to 'an emergency within the United States,'  citing threats to the Homeland.'

    He's the threat to the Homeland.

    Patriots are finally speaking up about this insane POS.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2019 - 6:43 PM ET #548

    The stunning, bombshell  activation of US marines is on the front page of Steve Quayle to include Steve Quayle's Alert section. Also. No big surprise here. The info  is also on infowars. Without hyperbole. 1 of the greatest news sources from sea to shining sea! Infowars.com

     

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    The stunning, bombshell  activation of US marines is on the front page of Steve Quayle to include Steve Quayle's Alert section. Also. No big surprise here. The info  is also on infowars. Without hyperbole. 1 of the greatest news sources from sea to shining sea! Infowars.com

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2019 - 9:12 PM ET #549

    Cowards in Congress are terrified of Trump's Twitter tantrums. You can see how Trump reacts when even mildly criticized by someone like Flip Flop Mitt.

    This weekend Gym Jordan looked like a fool but Ron Johnson was even worse trying to defend Trump. They just want to survive & passing off Trump's behavior as  him "joking" is a ridiculous excuse no one believes.  Another phony is my Senator Marco No Show Rubio who thinks Trump is only teasing the media. Is he teasing our allies as well?  

    Trump believes being President allows him to do whatever he wants. So far the Cowards of Congress are allowing that to happen.

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    Cowards in Congress are terrified of Trump's Twitter tantrums. You can see how Trump reacts when even mildly criticized by someone like Flip Flop Mitt.

    This weekend Gym Jordan looked like a fool but Ron Johnson was even worse trying to defend Trump. They just want to survive & passing off Trump's behavior as  him "joking" is a ridiculous excuse no one believes.  Another phony is my Senator Marco No Show Rubio who thinks Trump is only teasing the media. Is he teasing our allies as well?  

    Trump believes being President allows him to do whatever he wants. So far the Cowards of Congress are allowing that to happen.

     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2019 - 10:31 PM ET #550

    Any of you trump-pets in here agree with the decision to abandon the Kurds in Syria, if so would you also explain how this is not a gift to putin and assaud. 
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    Any of you trump-pets in here agree with the decision to abandon the Kurds in Syria, if so would you also explain how this is not a gift to putin and assaud. 
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