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    new covid mutation :: OMICRON believed worse than delta

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    baish2012
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2021 - 8:57 AM ET #151

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Right-wing media rush
    to spread baseless conspiracy theories
    about the coronavirus omicron variant

     

     

    There just is not enough known about this variant yet to draw conclusions either way.

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Right-wing media rush
    to spread baseless conspiracy theories
    about the coronavirus omicron variant

     

     

    There just is not enough known about this variant yet to draw conclusions either way.

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2021 - 9:14 AM ET #152

     

     

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Good thing you all here don't mislead before we actually know what Omicron does. "NEW COVID MUTATION::BELIEVED WORSE THAN DELTA"

     

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/29/omicron-covid-variant-symptoms-heres-what-we-know-so-far.html

     

    Covid symptoms linked to the new omicron variant have been described as “extremely mild” by the South African doctor who first raised the alarm over the new strain.

    Dr. Angelique Coetzee, chair of the South African Medical Association, told the BBC on Sunday that she started to see patients around Nov.18 presenting with “unusual symptoms” that differed slightly from those associated with the delta variant, which is the most virulent strain of the virus to date and globally dominant.

    Time is a flat circle....
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Good thing you all here don't mislead before we actually know what Omicron does. "NEW COVID MUTATION::BELIEVED WORSE THAN DELTA"

     

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/29/omicron-covid-variant-symptoms-heres-what-we-know-so-far.html

     

    Covid symptoms linked to the new omicron variant have been described as “extremely mild” by the South African doctor who first raised the alarm over the new strain.

    Dr. Angelique Coetzee, chair of the South African Medical Association, told the BBC on Sunday that she started to see patients around Nov.18 presenting with “unusual symptoms” that differed slightly from those associated with the delta variant, which is the most virulent strain of the virus to date and globally dominant.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2021 - 11:52 AM ET #153

    It's all over the news; Fauci says "first reports of Omicron encouraging", same truth right wing media has been saying from the beginning.

    Glad he finally figured it out.

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    It's all over the news; Fauci says "first reports of Omicron encouraging", same truth right wing media has been saying from the beginning.

    Glad he finally figured it out.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2021 - 12:09 PM ET #154

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
     

    Right-wing media rush
    to spread baseless conspiracy theories
    about the coronavirus omicron variant

     

     

     

     

    There just is not enough known about this variant yet to draw conclusions either way.

     

    right .   neither the south africans nor  even dr. fauci knows enuf to make a valid and accurate assessment this early when omicron was only identified  2 weeks ago. it's like trying to accurately predict the final score of a football game from early in the first quarter .   not possible .  but given  2 or 3 more weeks we should have substantial and reliable data , dr. fauci said on the weekend .

     

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
     

    Right-wing media rush
    to spread baseless conspiracy theories
    about the coronavirus omicron variant

     

     

     

     

    There just is not enough known about this variant yet to draw conclusions either way.

     

    right .   neither the south africans nor  even dr. fauci knows enuf to make a valid and accurate assessment this early when omicron was only identified  2 weeks ago. it's like trying to accurately predict the final score of a football game from early in the first quarter .   not possible .  but given  2 or 3 more weeks we should have substantial and reliable data , dr. fauci said on the weekend .

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2021 - 1:24 PM ET #155

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Does anyone know of a testing site that tests to see what variant of Covid it is?

    Another interesting tidbit;

    Iceland sequences every positive COVID test. They found the virus mutates to some degree about every forth transmission. They are able to determine contact tracing by these small mutations knowing who passed it on first based on these mutations. 

    Really have their act together!! No open borders, no declaring a group of their own people the greatest threat, none of that bullshit. 

    In the last six months they had 11,604 confirmed cases and only 5 deaths!!!!! One death for every 2320 cases. The U.S. has one death for every 67 cases. 

    Do you think we're on the right track???

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Does anyone know of a testing site that tests to see what variant of Covid it is?

    Another interesting tidbit;

    Iceland sequences every positive COVID test. They found the virus mutates to some degree about every forth transmission. They are able to determine contact tracing by these small mutations knowing who passed it on first based on these mutations. 

    Really have their act together!! No open borders, no declaring a group of their own people the greatest threat, none of that bullshit. 

    In the last six months they had 11,604 confirmed cases and only 5 deaths!!!!! One death for every 2320 cases. The U.S. has one death for every 67 cases. 

    Do you think we're on the right track???

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2021 - 1:28 PM ET #156

    And where is our trusted news media on this news???

    Too busy saying republicans are all to blame.

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    And where is our trusted news media on this news???

    Too busy saying republicans are all to blame.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2021 - 1:30 PM ET #157

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Eventually it's going to reach every nation.  Meticulous travel bans will certainly help slow the spread, but once it reaches a country, further spread will only be stopped by strict mitigation measures.   It appears current trump-vaccines -- which were only developed for the ORIGINAL STRAIN of covid-19 (2 years ago, before multiple mutations) may only have limited effectiveness - though this remains to be seen either way.

    This is what Democrats said a week ago. 

    Now they’re saying we just don’t have enough information. 

    sleep2

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Eventually it's going to reach every nation.  Meticulous travel bans will certainly help slow the spread, but once it reaches a country, further spread will only be stopped by strict mitigation measures.   It appears current trump-vaccines -- which were only developed for the ORIGINAL STRAIN of covid-19 (2 years ago, before multiple mutations) may only have limited effectiveness - though this remains to be seen either way.

    This is what Democrats said a week ago. 

    Now they’re saying we just don’t have enough information. 

    sleep2

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2021 - 1:32 PM ET #158

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Right-wing media rush to spread baseless conspiracy theories about the coronavirus omicron variant  

    No, that was you. 

    sleep2

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Right-wing media rush to spread baseless conspiracy theories about the coronavirus omicron variant  

    No, that was you. 

    sleep2

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2021 - 2:08 PM ET #159

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Right-wing media rush to spread baseless conspiracy theories about the coronavirus omicron variant   No, that was you.

    an_roll_laugh

    Time is a flat circle....
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Right-wing media rush to spread baseless conspiracy theories about the coronavirus omicron variant   No, that was you.

    an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2021 - 3:09 PM ET #160

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    This is what Democrats said a week ago.  Now they’re saying we just don’t have enough information.

     

     

    Dec. 19, 2020 - 5:09 PM ET
    in Detox' Political thread #4997
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             "I’m a registered Democrat tbh"

     

         an_roll_laugh           an_roll_laugh     

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    This is what Democrats said a week ago.  Now they’re saying we just don’t have enough information.

     

     

    Dec. 19, 2020 - 5:09 PM ET
    in Detox' Political thread #4997
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             "I’m a registered Democrat tbh"

     

         an_roll_laugh           an_roll_laugh     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Right-wing media rush to spread baseless conspiracy theories about the coronavirus omicron variant   No, that was you.
    an_roll_laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Right-wing media rush to spread baseless conspiracy theories about the coronavirus omicron variant   No, that was you.
    an_roll_laugh

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Right-wing media rush to spread baseless conspiracy theories about the coronavirus omicron variant   MEDIA MATTERS -Throughout the pandemic, right-wing media have repeatedly undermined public health measures by attacking vaccines and masks and by downplaying the risk of previous coronavirus variants.

    Despite no evidences, Fox news and other right wing medias falsely claim omicron is a hoax, cover-up for mail-in ballot agenda, fear mongering to scare Americans to get vaccinated, excuse to impose lockdowns and the fault of Biden.  Apparently, conspiracy theories spread faster than omicron.

    Nothing Biden has done is comparable to disinformation campaign of Trump's covid policy that contributes to avoidable deaths.  By choosing to ignore advice from scientists, Trump made the pandemic worse.  During Biden time in office, main problem is not the disease itself, but the anti-vaccine and anti-mask movements embraced by mostly republicans that lead to thousands of preventable deaths.  Thankfully, despite disinformation efforts of GOP minority, most Americans support vaccine and mask mandates. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Right-wing media rush to spread baseless conspiracy theories about the coronavirus omicron variant   MEDIA MATTERS -Throughout the pandemic, right-wing media have repeatedly undermined public health measures by attacking vaccines and masks and by downplaying the risk of previous coronavirus variants.

    Despite no evidences, Fox news and other right wing medias falsely claim omicron is a hoax, cover-up for mail-in ballot agenda, fear mongering to scare Americans to get vaccinated, excuse to impose lockdowns and the fault of Biden.  Apparently, conspiracy theories spread faster than omicron.

    Nothing Biden has done is comparable to disinformation campaign of Trump's covid policy that contributes to avoidable deaths.  By choosing to ignore advice from scientists, Trump made the pandemic worse.  During Biden time in office, main problem is not the disease itself, but the anti-vaccine and anti-mask movements embraced by mostly republicans that lead to thousands of preventable deaths.  Thankfully, despite disinformation efforts of GOP minority, most Americans support vaccine and mask mandates. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2021 - 3:27 PM ET #163

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:   Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:   Right-wing media rush to spread baseless conspiracy theories about the coronavirus omicron variant         There just is not enough known about this variant yet to draw conclusions either way.   right .   neither the south africans nor  even dr. fauci knows enuf to make a valid and accurate assessment this early when omicron was only identified  2 weeks ago. it's like trying to accurately predict the final score of a football game from early in the first quarter .   not possible .  but given  2 or 3 more weeks we should have substantial and reliable data , dr. fauci said on the weekend .

    jesus christ this is the dumbest fucking gambling analogy anyone could've thought of..... stick to your copy & paste arguments, you guys have a hard enough time with those, don't push that brain power too hard, bad things may happen.... 

    Time is a flat circle....
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:   Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:   Right-wing media rush to spread baseless conspiracy theories about the coronavirus omicron variant         There just is not enough known about this variant yet to draw conclusions either way.   right .   neither the south africans nor  even dr. fauci knows enuf to make a valid and accurate assessment this early when omicron was only identified  2 weeks ago. it's like trying to accurately predict the final score of a football game from early in the first quarter .   not possible .  but given  2 or 3 more weeks we should have substantial and reliable data , dr. fauci said on the weekend .

    jesus christ this is the dumbest fucking gambling analogy anyone could've thought of..... stick to your copy & paste arguments, you guys have a hard enough time with those, don't push that brain power too hard, bad things may happen.... 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Right-wing media rush to spread baseless conspiracy theories about the coronavirus omicron variant   MEDIA MATTERS -Throughout the pandemic, right-wing media have repeatedly undermined public health measures by attacking vaccines and masks and by downplaying the risk of previous coronavirus variants. Despite no evidences, Fox news and other right wing medias falsely claim omicron is a hoax, cover-up for mail-in ballot agenda, fear mongering to scare Americans to get vaccinated, excuse to impose lockdowns and the fault of Biden.  Apparently, conspiracy theories spread faster than omicron. Nothing Biden has done is comparable to disinformation campaign of Trump's covid policy that contributes to avoidable deaths.  By choosing to ignore advice from scientists, Trump made the pandemic worse.  During Biden time in office, main problem is not the disease itself, but the anti-vaccine and anti-mask movements embraced by mostly republicans that lead to thousands of preventable deaths.  Thankfully, despite disinformation efforts of GOP minority, most Americans support vaccine and mask mandates.

    SHOW US ALL PROOF THAT FOX NEWS SAID OMICRON IS A HOAX.

    WE'RE WAITING.....an_popcorn

    And the morning show never said hoax, they said new variant, we need more lockdowns, mail in ballots, etc. HOAX WAS NEVER SAID.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Right-wing media rush to spread baseless conspiracy theories about the coronavirus omicron variant   MEDIA MATTERS -Throughout the pandemic, right-wing media have repeatedly undermined public health measures by attacking vaccines and masks and by downplaying the risk of previous coronavirus variants. Despite no evidences, Fox news and other right wing medias falsely claim omicron is a hoax, cover-up for mail-in ballot agenda, fear mongering to scare Americans to get vaccinated, excuse to impose lockdowns and the fault of Biden.  Apparently, conspiracy theories spread faster than omicron. Nothing Biden has done is comparable to disinformation campaign of Trump's covid policy that contributes to avoidable deaths.  By choosing to ignore advice from scientists, Trump made the pandemic worse.  During Biden time in office, main problem is not the disease itself, but the anti-vaccine and anti-mask movements embraced by mostly republicans that lead to thousands of preventable deaths.  Thankfully, despite disinformation efforts of GOP minority, most Americans support vaccine and mask mandates.

    SHOW US ALL PROOF THAT FOX NEWS SAID OMICRON IS A HOAX.

    WE'RE WAITING.....an_popcorn

    And the morning show never said hoax, they said new variant, we need more lockdowns, mail in ballots, etc. HOAX WAS NEVER SAID.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Right-wing media rush to spread baseless conspiracy theories about the coronavirus omicron variant   No, that was you.

    Title of this thread proves that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Right-wing media rush to spread baseless conspiracy theories about the coronavirus omicron variant   No, that was you.

    Title of this thread proves that.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    neither the south africans nor  even dr. fauci knows enuf to make a valid and accurate assessment this early when omicron was only identified  2 weeks ago. it's like trying to accurately predict the final score of a football game from early in the first quarter .   not possible .  but given  2 or 3 more weeks we should have substantial and reliable data , dr. fauci said on the weekend .

     

    There isn't anywhere near enough researched and corroborated data for anyone to make judgements about omicron in either direction.  Far too early. CDC and WHO both say it won't be until near the end of this month that a reasoned analysis can be made. Conspiracy theories obviously have no place in the argument

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    neither the south africans nor  even dr. fauci knows enuf to make a valid and accurate assessment this early when omicron was only identified  2 weeks ago. it's like trying to accurately predict the final score of a football game from early in the first quarter .   not possible .  but given  2 or 3 more weeks we should have substantial and reliable data , dr. fauci said on the weekend .

     

    There isn't anywhere near enough researched and corroborated data for anyone to make judgements about omicron in either direction.  Far too early. CDC and WHO both say it won't be until near the end of this month that a reasoned analysis can be made. Conspiracy theories obviously have no place in the argument

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2021 - 11:09 PM ET #167

    In the UK home COVID rapid tests are available by mail order for free, 7 at a time.

    In Singapore the government sent every household 6 tests.

    Germany, France, Belgium, and India provide the tests for only a few dollars.

    Canada sent free tests to businesses. 

    Rapid tests hard to find in United States and they cost $20-30 a pair. When NPR's Mara Liasson asked Psaki why doesn't the Biden admin send out at home testing Psaki got snotty and asked how much that would cost.

    Nice job Joe!

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    In the UK home COVID rapid tests are available by mail order for free, 7 at a time.

    In Singapore the government sent every household 6 tests.

    Germany, France, Belgium, and India provide the tests for only a few dollars.

    Canada sent free tests to businesses. 

    Rapid tests hard to find in United States and they cost $20-30 a pair. When NPR's Mara Liasson asked Psaki why doesn't the Biden admin send out at home testing Psaki got snotty and asked how much that would cost.

    Nice job Joe!

     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2021 - 11:12 PM ET #168

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

     

    neither the south africans nor  even dr. fauci knows enuf to make a valid and accurate assessment this early when omicron was only identified  2 weeks ago. it's like trying to accurately predict the final score of a football game from early in the first quarter .   not possible .  but given  2 or 3 more weeks we should have substantial and reliable data , dr. fauci said on the weekend .

     

     

     

    There isn't anywhere near enough researched and corroborated data for anyone to make judgements about omicron in either direction.  Far too early. CDC and WHO both say it won't be until near the end of this month that a reasoned analysis can be made. Conspiracy theories obviously have no place in the argument

     

    yeah were going to have to wait and see by end of december

     

     

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

     

    neither the south africans nor  even dr. fauci knows enuf to make a valid and accurate assessment this early when omicron was only identified  2 weeks ago. it's like trying to accurately predict the final score of a football game from early in the first quarter .   not possible .  but given  2 or 3 more weeks we should have substantial and reliable data , dr. fauci said on the weekend .

     

     

     

    There isn't anywhere near enough researched and corroborated data for anyone to make judgements about omicron in either direction.  Far too early. CDC and WHO both say it won't be until near the end of this month that a reasoned analysis can be made. Conspiracy theories obviously have no place in the argument

     

    yeah were going to have to wait and see by end of december

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Omicron significantly reduces Covid antibodies generated by Pfizer vaccine, new study finds

     

    THE TELEGRAPH- via YAHOO NEWS, Dec 7 -


    People who have previously had Covid or been vaccinated have
    far LESS protection against Omicron than they do for other variants,
    according to the first data of its kind.

    Scientists from South Africa grew live samples of the omicron variant
    and performed lab experiments to see if, and how, omicron was
    affected by antibodies in blood samples from 12 people who had
    vaccinated. Six of the people also had previously had Covid.

    The world has been waiting for these neutralising studies to gauge
    how pre-existing immunity from both vaccination and prior infection
    will hold up against omicron.

    The study shows how many antibodies are needed in order to stop
    the virus from replicating and is an early indicator of how effective
    the worrying new variant is at avoiding our immune system.

    The preliminary data shows antibodies in blood samples are
    41 times LESS effective for Omicron than for the 2020 strain.

     

    an_light  However, it will be several weeks before real-world data
          is available and more nuanced evaluations are possible.

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    Omicron significantly reduces Covid antibodies generated by Pfizer vaccine, new study finds

     

    THE TELEGRAPH- via YAHOO NEWS, Dec 7 -


    People who have previously had Covid or been vaccinated have
    far LESS protection against Omicron than they do for other variants,
    according to the first data of its kind.

    Scientists from South Africa grew live samples of the omicron variant
    and performed lab experiments to see if, and how, omicron was
    affected by antibodies in blood samples from 12 people who had
    vaccinated. Six of the people also had previously had Covid.

    The world has been waiting for these neutralising studies to gauge
    how pre-existing immunity from both vaccination and prior infection
    will hold up against omicron.

    The study shows how many antibodies are needed in order to stop
    the virus from replicating and is an early indicator of how effective
    the worrying new variant is at avoiding our immune system.

    The preliminary data shows antibodies in blood samples are
    41 times LESS effective for Omicron than for the 2020 strain.

     

    an_light  However, it will be several weeks before real-world data
          is available and more nuanced evaluations are possible.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Omicron significantly reduces Covid antibodies generated by Pfizer vaccine, new study finds   THE TELEGRAPH- via YAHOO NEWS, Dec 7 - People who have previously had Covid or been vaccinated have far LESS protection against Omicron than they do for other variants, according to the first data of its kind.

    Mixed news about omicron lately.   This is one I was hoping we wouldn't get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Omicron significantly reduces Covid antibodies generated by Pfizer vaccine, new study finds   THE TELEGRAPH- via YAHOO NEWS, Dec 7 - People who have previously had Covid or been vaccinated have far LESS protection against Omicron than they do for other variants, according to the first data of its kind.

    Mixed news about omicron lately.   This is one I was hoping we wouldn't get.

     
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    They will find that natural immunity from previous COVID infections is far superior to the current vaccines on Omicron.

    Only makes sense. 

    Wait and see. an_popcorn

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    They will find that natural immunity from previous COVID infections is far superior to the current vaccines on Omicron.

    Only makes sense. 

    Wait and see. an_popcorn

     
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    They will find that natural immunity from previous COVID infections is far superior to the current vaccines on Omicron.

    Only makes sense. 

    Wait and see. an_popcorn

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    They will find that natural immunity from previous COVID infections is far superior to the current vaccines on Omicron.

    Only makes sense. 

    Wait and see. an_popcorn

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    The preliminary data shows antibodies in blood samples are
    41 times LESS effective for Omicron than for the 2020 strain.

    an_light  However, it will be several weeks before real-world data
          is available and more nuanced evaluations are possible.

     

    If that stat is confirmed in subsequent evaluations it doesn't bode well for the forseeable future.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    The preliminary data shows antibodies in blood samples are
    41 times LESS effective for Omicron than for the 2020 strain.

    an_light  However, it will be several weeks before real-world data
          is available and more nuanced evaluations are possible.

     

    If that stat is confirmed in subsequent evaluations it doesn't bode well for the forseeable future.

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2021 - 11:11 AM ET #174

    Real world data is coming in. 43 confirmed cases of Omicron in United States. Of those 34 infected are fully vaccinated, 15 also had booster shot. As someone here likes to say, " a vast majority." 

    Only a matter of time that this virus would learn to evade the vaccines. Foolish to think that is the way out. Now, a different booster is needed to be developed, tested, and approved. By that time another new variant. And on and on and on. 

    Let's hope Omicron is mild as has been reported.

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    Real world data is coming in. 43 confirmed cases of Omicron in United States. Of those 34 infected are fully vaccinated, 15 also had booster shot. As someone here likes to say, " a vast majority." 

    Only a matter of time that this virus would learn to evade the vaccines. Foolish to think that is the way out. Now, a different booster is needed to be developed, tested, and approved. By that time another new variant. And on and on and on. 

    Let's hope Omicron is mild as has been reported.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Real world data is coming in. 43 confirmed cases of Omicron in United States. Of those 34 infected are fully vaccinated, 15 also had booster shot. As someone here likes to say, " a vast majority."  Only a matter of time that this virus would learn to evade the vaccines. Foolish to think that is the way out. Now, a different booster is needed to be developed, tested, and approved. By that time another new variant. And on and on and on.  Let's hope Omicron is mild as has been reported.

     

    This is an argument for the vaccine.  As long as the cases are mild then the vaccine is working exactly as intended.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Real world data is coming in. 43 confirmed cases of Omicron in United States. Of those 34 infected are fully vaccinated, 15 also had booster shot. As someone here likes to say, " a vast majority."  Only a matter of time that this virus would learn to evade the vaccines. Foolish to think that is the way out. Now, a different booster is needed to be developed, tested, and approved. By that time another new variant. And on and on and on.  Let's hope Omicron is mild as has been reported.

     

    This is an argument for the vaccine.  As long as the cases are mild then the vaccine is working exactly as intended.

     

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