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    kcblitzkrieg
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2021 - 4:18 PM ET #201

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: According to Washington post, governor Polis said that the pandemic  isn't over.  "If you are vaccinated, it's largely over for you.  But if you haven't been vaccinated, it's your fault for getting sick."  Despite not renewing mask mandate, his office releases a statement encouraging masks and vaccination.  Due to public fatigue, public health measures are difficult to maintain in the long term.  Premature lifting of measures have lead to surge in covid cases and hospitalizations.   thx for the fact check on that thridperson

     

    THIRD, can you please fact check the following statement:

    Fupa is John Wayne's son....Donnie Chump is John Wayne's illegitimate son.  

    My theory is the reason Fupa is why he is, is due this simple fact.  

    Please fact check and report back to us so you can confirm the theory.  As always, your contributions to this forum do not go unnoticed so please keep fact checking peace_5

    Time is a flat circle....
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: According to Washington post, governor Polis said that the pandemic  isn't over.  "If you are vaccinated, it's largely over for you.  But if you haven't been vaccinated, it's your fault for getting sick."  Despite not renewing mask mandate, his office releases a statement encouraging masks and vaccination.  Due to public fatigue, public health measures are difficult to maintain in the long term.  Premature lifting of measures have lead to surge in covid cases and hospitalizations.   thx for the fact check on that thridperson

     

    THIRD, can you please fact check the following statement:

    Fupa is John Wayne's son....Donnie Chump is John Wayne's illegitimate son.  

    My theory is the reason Fupa is why he is, is due this simple fact.  

    Please fact check and report back to us so you can confirm the theory.  As always, your contributions to this forum do not go unnoticed so please keep fact checking peace_5

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2021 - 4:47 PM ET #202

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    columbia university research isays early indication that  " natural immunity" is  ineffective vs. omicron

     

    I saw that earlier and must say if this holds up it is very concerning.

     

    Annual flu seasons cost the U.S.  BILLIONS each year in lost productivity.  

    No telling how much worse omicron might be in comparison even if it is ultimately shown to be not as deadly.

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    columbia university research isays early indication that  " natural immunity" is  ineffective vs. omicron

     

    I saw that earlier and must say if this holds up it is very concerning.

     

    Annual flu seasons cost the U.S.  BILLIONS each year in lost productivity.  

    No telling how much worse omicron might be in comparison even if it is ultimately shown to be not as deadly.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2021 - 5:06 PM ET #203

    prepare to get ROASTED..... 

    posted SIX DAYS ago

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: neither the south africans nor  even dr. fauci knows enuf to make a valid and accurate assessment this early when omicron was only identified  2 weeks ago. it's like trying to accurately predict the final score of a football game from early in the first quarter .   not possible .  but given  2 or 3 more weeks we should have substantial and reliable data , dr. fauci said on the weekend .   There isn't anywhere near enough researched and corroborated data for anyone to make judgements about omicron in either direction.  Far too early. CDC and WHO both say it won't be until near the end of this month that a reasoned analysis can be made. Conspiracy theories obviously have no place in the argument

    posted 3 hours ago

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    columbia university research isays early indication that  " natural immunity" is  ineffective vs. omicron

    posted ONE hour ago

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:     This is an argument for the vaccine.  As long as the cases are mild then the vaccine is working exactly as intended. Baish2012 is right.  So far, vaccines and public health precautions are working against all covid variants in reducing severe illness.  Since booster shots increase immunity against omicron virus, new vaccine may be unnecessary.  Public health experts consider worldwide vaccination the only way out of pandemic.  Natural immunity is too unreliable to assume that it would lead to herd immunity.  The most likely outcome would be recurrent epidemic with more deaths and hospitalizations.  So doctors still recommend vaccines for the previously infected.

     

    SO IN SIX DAYS THEY FOUND ALL THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO INFORM ALL OF THE SHEEP HUH?????  AND YOU BELIEVED THEM EVEN AFTER YOU SAID IT WOULD TAKE WEEKS -----------------

    SIX DAYS            BAWAHAHAHAHHAHAH     CLOWN SHOW         HAHAHAHAH 

    an_roll_laughan_roll_laughan_roll_laugh

    Time is a flat circle....
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    prepare to get ROASTED..... 

    posted SIX DAYS ago

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: neither the south africans nor  even dr. fauci knows enuf to make a valid and accurate assessment this early when omicron was only identified  2 weeks ago. it's like trying to accurately predict the final score of a football game from early in the first quarter .   not possible .  but given  2 or 3 more weeks we should have substantial and reliable data , dr. fauci said on the weekend .   There isn't anywhere near enough researched and corroborated data for anyone to make judgements about omicron in either direction.  Far too early. CDC and WHO both say it won't be until near the end of this month that a reasoned analysis can be made. Conspiracy theories obviously have no place in the argument

    posted 3 hours ago

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    columbia university research isays early indication that  " natural immunity" is  ineffective vs. omicron

    posted ONE hour ago

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:     This is an argument for the vaccine.  As long as the cases are mild then the vaccine is working exactly as intended. Baish2012 is right.  So far, vaccines and public health precautions are working against all covid variants in reducing severe illness.  Since booster shots increase immunity against omicron virus, new vaccine may be unnecessary.  Public health experts consider worldwide vaccination the only way out of pandemic.  Natural immunity is too unreliable to assume that it would lead to herd immunity.  The most likely outcome would be recurrent epidemic with more deaths and hospitalizations.  So doctors still recommend vaccines for the previously infected.

     

    SO IN SIX DAYS THEY FOUND ALL THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO INFORM ALL OF THE SHEEP HUH?????  AND YOU BELIEVED THEM EVEN AFTER YOU SAID IT WOULD TAKE WEEKS -----------------

    SIX DAYS            BAWAHAHAHAHHAHAH     CLOWN SHOW         HAHAHAHAH 

    an_roll_laughan_roll_laughan_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2021 - 5:07 PM ET #204

    ROASTED AND TOASTED BABY AHAHAHAHHAAH 

     

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    prepare to get ROASTED.....  posted SIX DAYS ago Quote Originally Posted by baish2012: Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: neither the south africans nor  even dr. fauci knows enuf to make a valid and accurate assessment this early when omicron was only identified  2 weeks ago. it's like trying to accurately predict the final score of a football game from early in the first quarter .   not possible .  but given  2 or 3 more weeks we should have substantial and reliable data , dr. fauci said on the weekend .   There isn't anywhere near enough researched and corroborated data for anyone to make judgements about omicron in either direction.  Far too early. CDC and WHO both say it won't be until near the end of this month that a reasoned analysis can be made. Conspiracy theories obviously have no place in the argument posted 3 hours ago Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: columbia university research isays early indication that  " natural immunity" is  ineffective vs. omicron posted ONE hour ago Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:     This is an argument for the vaccine.  As long as the cases are mild then the vaccine is working exactly as intended. Baish2012 is right.  So far, vaccines and public health precautions are working against all covid variants in reducing severe illness.  Since booster shots increase immunity against omicron virus, new vaccine may be unnecessary.  Public health experts consider worldwide vaccination the only way out of pandemic.  Natural immunity is too unreliable to assume that it would lead to herd immunity.  The most likely outcome would be recurrent epidemic with more deaths and hospitalizations.  So doctors still recommend vaccines for the previously infected.   SO IN SIX DAYS THEY FOUND ALL THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO INFORM ALL OF THE SHEEP HUH?????  AND YOU BELIEVED THEM EVEN AFTER YOU SAID IT WOULD TAKE WEEKS ----------------- SIX DAYS            BAWAHAHAHAHHAHAH     CLOWN SHOW         HAHAHAHAH

    Time is a flat circle....
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    ROASTED AND TOASTED BABY AHAHAHAHHAAH 

     

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    prepare to get ROASTED.....  posted SIX DAYS ago Quote Originally Posted by baish2012: Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: neither the south africans nor  even dr. fauci knows enuf to make a valid and accurate assessment this early when omicron was only identified  2 weeks ago. it's like trying to accurately predict the final score of a football game from early in the first quarter .   not possible .  but given  2 or 3 more weeks we should have substantial and reliable data , dr. fauci said on the weekend .   There isn't anywhere near enough researched and corroborated data for anyone to make judgements about omicron in either direction.  Far too early. CDC and WHO both say it won't be until near the end of this month that a reasoned analysis can be made. Conspiracy theories obviously have no place in the argument posted 3 hours ago Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: columbia university research isays early indication that  " natural immunity" is  ineffective vs. omicron posted ONE hour ago Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:     This is an argument for the vaccine.  As long as the cases are mild then the vaccine is working exactly as intended. Baish2012 is right.  So far, vaccines and public health precautions are working against all covid variants in reducing severe illness.  Since booster shots increase immunity against omicron virus, new vaccine may be unnecessary.  Public health experts consider worldwide vaccination the only way out of pandemic.  Natural immunity is too unreliable to assume that it would lead to herd immunity.  The most likely outcome would be recurrent epidemic with more deaths and hospitalizations.  So doctors still recommend vaccines for the previously infected.   SO IN SIX DAYS THEY FOUND ALL THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO INFORM ALL OF THE SHEEP HUH?????  AND YOU BELIEVED THEM EVEN AFTER YOU SAID IT WOULD TAKE WEEKS ----------------- SIX DAYS            BAWAHAHAHAHHAHAH     CLOWN SHOW         HAHAHAHAH

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2021 - 5:10 PM ET #205

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: columbia university research isays early indication that  " natural immunity" is  ineffective vs. omicron

     

     

     

    I saw that earlier and must say if this holds up it is very concerning.

    Annual flu seasons cost the U.S.  BILLIONS each year in lost productivity.  

    No telling how much worse omicron might be in comparison even if it is ultimately shown to be not as deadly.

     

    that may not b the worst of it baish as so far virologists r saying the new strain of the annual flu doesnt match the annual flu vaccine they have ready

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: columbia university research isays early indication that  " natural immunity" is  ineffective vs. omicron

     

     

     

    I saw that earlier and must say if this holds up it is very concerning.

    Annual flu seasons cost the U.S.  BILLIONS each year in lost productivity.  

    No telling how much worse omicron might be in comparison even if it is ultimately shown to be not as deadly.

     

    that may not b the worst of it baish as so far virologists r saying the new strain of the annual flu doesnt match the annual flu vaccine they have ready

     

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: columbia university research isays early indication that  " natural immunity" is  ineffective vs. omicron

     

     

     

    I saw that earlier and must say if this holds up it is very concerning.

    Annual flu seasons cost the U.S.  BILLIONS each year in lost productivity.  

    No telling how much worse omicron might be in comparison even if it is ultimately shown to be not as deadly.

     

    that may not b the worst of it baish as so far virologists r saying the new strain of the annual flu doesnt match the annual flu vaccine they have ready

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: columbia university research isays early indication that  " natural immunity" is  ineffective vs. omicron

     

     

     

    I saw that earlier and must say if this holds up it is very concerning.

    Annual flu seasons cost the U.S.  BILLIONS each year in lost productivity.  

    No telling how much worse omicron might be in comparison even if it is ultimately shown to be not as deadly.

     

    that may not b the worst of it baish as so far virologists r saying the new strain of the annual flu doesnt match the annual flu vaccine they have ready

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2021 - 6:12 PM ET #207

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:   Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: columbia university research isays early indication that  " natural immunity" is  ineffective vs. omicron       I saw that earlier and must say if this holds up it is very concerning. Annual flu seasons cost the U.S.  BILLIONS each year in lost productivity.   No telling how much worse omicron might be in comparison even if it is ultimately shown to be not as deadly.  

     

    that may not b the worst of it baish as so far virologists r saying the new strain of the annual flu doesnt match the annual flu vaccine they have ready

     

    Yeah I saw that too and damn if that isn't discouraging.   Delta is killing at unprecedented clip now, and we still have omicron to deal with.

    And now the seasonal flu without a reliable vaccine? confused

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:   Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: columbia university research isays early indication that  " natural immunity" is  ineffective vs. omicron       I saw that earlier and must say if this holds up it is very concerning. Annual flu seasons cost the U.S.  BILLIONS each year in lost productivity.   No telling how much worse omicron might be in comparison even if it is ultimately shown to be not as deadly.  

     

    that may not b the worst of it baish as so far virologists r saying the new strain of the annual flu doesnt match the annual flu vaccine they have ready

     

    Yeah I saw that too and damn if that isn't discouraging.   Delta is killing at unprecedented clip now, and we still have omicron to deal with.

    And now the seasonal flu without a reliable vaccine? confused

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2021 - 6:34 PM ET #208

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    columbia university research isays early indication that  " natural immunity" is  ineffective vs. omicron

    That is amazing how you cherry picked that statement. an_roll_laugh

    What else did they say? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    columbia university research isays early indication that  " natural immunity" is  ineffective vs. omicron

    That is amazing how you cherry picked that statement. an_roll_laugh

    What else did they say? 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:   Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: columbia university research isays early indication that  " natural immunity" is  ineffective vs. omicron       I saw that earlier and must say if this holds up it is very concerning. Annual flu seasons cost the U.S.  BILLIONS each year in lost productivity.   No telling how much worse omicron might be in comparison even if it is ultimately shown to be not as deadly.     that may not b the worst of it baish as so far virologists r saying the new strain of the annual flu doesnt match the annual flu vaccine they have ready   Yeah I saw that too and damn if that isn't discouraging.   Delta is killing at unprecedented clip now, and we still have omicron to deal with. And now the seasonal flu without a reliable vaccine?

    Ohhh my, we're all gonna die!! 

    Yes we all are, someday. Stop the fear mongering.

    In most years the flu vaccine is a strain from previous years, why I have never received a flu shot. Maybe someday if my immune system gets compromised. Not now.

    Next 6 months will be interesting. Don't forget, a positive COVID test is the new normal for the vaccinated! 

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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:   Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: columbia university research isays early indication that  " natural immunity" is  ineffective vs. omicron       I saw that earlier and must say if this holds up it is very concerning. Annual flu seasons cost the U.S.  BILLIONS each year in lost productivity.   No telling how much worse omicron might be in comparison even if it is ultimately shown to be not as deadly.     that may not b the worst of it baish as so far virologists r saying the new strain of the annual flu doesnt match the annual flu vaccine they have ready   Yeah I saw that too and damn if that isn't discouraging.   Delta is killing at unprecedented clip now, and we still have omicron to deal with. And now the seasonal flu without a reliable vaccine?

    Ohhh my, we're all gonna die!! 

    Yes we all are, someday. Stop the fear mongering.

    In most years the flu vaccine is a strain from previous years, why I have never received a flu shot. Maybe someday if my immune system gets compromised. Not now.

    Next 6 months will be interesting. Don't forget, a positive COVID test is the new normal for the vaccinated! 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2021 - 6:41 PM ET #210

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:   Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: columbia university research isays early indication that  " natural immunity" is  ineffective vs. omicron       I saw that earlier and must say if this holds up it is very concerning. Annual flu seasons cost the U.S.  BILLIONS each year in lost productivity.   No telling how much worse omicron might be in comparison even if it is ultimately shown to be not as deadly.  

     

     

    that may not b the worst of it baish as so far virologists r saying the new strain of the annual flu doesnt match the annual flu vaccine they have ready

     

     

    Yeah I saw that too and damn if that isn't discouraging.   Delta is killing at unprecedented clip now, and we still have omicron to deal with.

    And now the seasonal flu without a reliable vaccine? confused

    if the seasonal flu vaccines arent going to work well this yr   we  r in for a world of stress

    europe really suffering right now

    uk have highest 3 consecutive days of cases  . very alarming .   all europe hurting

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:   Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: columbia university research isays early indication that  " natural immunity" is  ineffective vs. omicron       I saw that earlier and must say if this holds up it is very concerning. Annual flu seasons cost the U.S.  BILLIONS each year in lost productivity.   No telling how much worse omicron might be in comparison even if it is ultimately shown to be not as deadly.  

     

     

    that may not b the worst of it baish as so far virologists r saying the new strain of the annual flu doesnt match the annual flu vaccine they have ready

     

     

    Yeah I saw that too and damn if that isn't discouraging.   Delta is killing at unprecedented clip now, and we still have omicron to deal with.

    And now the seasonal flu without a reliable vaccine? confused

    if the seasonal flu vaccines arent going to work well this yr   we  r in for a world of stress

    europe really suffering right now

    uk have highest 3 consecutive days of cases  . very alarming .   all europe hurting

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:   Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: columbia university research isays early indication that  " natural immunity" is  ineffective vs. omicron       I saw that earlier and must say if this holds up it is very concerning. Annual flu seasons cost the U.S.  BILLIONS each year in lost productivity.   No telling how much worse omicron might be in comparison even if it is ultimately shown to be not as deadly.  

     

     

    that may not b the worst of it baish as so far virologists r saying the new strain of the annual flu doesnt match the annual flu vaccine they have ready

     

     

    Yeah I saw that too and damn if that isn't discouraging.   Delta is killing at unprecedented clip now, and we still have omicron to deal with.

    And now the seasonal flu without a reliable vaccine? confused

    if the seasonal flu vaccines arent going to work well this yr   we  r in for a world of stress

    europe really suffering right now

    uk have highest 3 consecutive days of cases  . very alarming .   all europe hurting

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:   Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: columbia university research isays early indication that  " natural immunity" is  ineffective vs. omicron       I saw that earlier and must say if this holds up it is very concerning. Annual flu seasons cost the U.S.  BILLIONS each year in lost productivity.   No telling how much worse omicron might be in comparison even if it is ultimately shown to be not as deadly.  

     

     

    that may not b the worst of it baish as so far virologists r saying the new strain of the annual flu doesnt match the annual flu vaccine they have ready

     

     

    Yeah I saw that too and damn if that isn't discouraging.   Delta is killing at unprecedented clip now, and we still have omicron to deal with.

    And now the seasonal flu without a reliable vaccine? confused

    if the seasonal flu vaccines arent going to work well this yr   we  r in for a world of stress

    europe really suffering right now

    uk have highest 3 consecutive days of cases  . very alarming .   all europe hurting

     

     

     
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    Omicron appears to be

    "a very transmissible variant,"
    WHO chief scientist says

     

       “How much more transmissible than Delta,
        it’s hard to say at this point of time, but it is
        a very transmissible variant, that what it appears,” she said.

     
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    Omicron appears to be

    "a very transmissible variant,"
    WHO chief scientist says

     

       “How much more transmissible than Delta,
        it’s hard to say at this point of time, but it is
        a very transmissible variant, that what it appears,” she said.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:



    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:   Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: columbia university research isays early indication that  " natural immunity" is  ineffective vs. omicron       I saw that earlier and must say if this holds up it is very concerning. Annual flu seasons cost the U.S.  BILLIONS each year in lost productivity.   No telling how much worse omicron might be in comparison even if it is ultimately shown to be not as deadly.  

     

     

    that may not b the worst of it baish as so far virologists r saying the new strain of the annual flu doesnt match the annual flu vaccine they have ready

     

     

     

     

    Yeah I saw that too and damn if that isn't discouraging.   Delta is killing at unprecedented clip now, and we still have omicron to deal with.

    And now the seasonal flu without a reliable vaccine? confused

    Very concerning!

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:



    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:   Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: columbia university research isays early indication that  " natural immunity" is  ineffective vs. omicron       I saw that earlier and must say if this holds up it is very concerning. Annual flu seasons cost the U.S.  BILLIONS each year in lost productivity.   No telling how much worse omicron might be in comparison even if it is ultimately shown to be not as deadly.  

     

     

    that may not b the worst of it baish as so far virologists r saying the new strain of the annual flu doesnt match the annual flu vaccine they have ready

     

     

     

     

    Yeah I saw that too and damn if that isn't discouraging.   Delta is killing at unprecedented clip now, and we still have omicron to deal with.

    And now the seasonal flu without a reliable vaccine? confused

    Very concerning!

     
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    UCLA basketball cancels games due to "protocols". Only known person out due to protocol is the head coach. No other information being given out. Why?

    Interesting when visiting UCLA COVID dashboard;

    They have percent of THE VACCINATED, percent of THE UNVACCINATED WHO ARE IN COMPLIANCE", leaving the remainder as obviously non-compliant.

    So out these three groups "students", "faculty/staff", and "Health Dept. staff" where is the worse non-compliance???

     

     

     

    THE HEALTH DEPT. STAFF!!  3% listed as neither compliant or vaccinated. 

    Interesting.

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    UCLA basketball cancels games due to "protocols". Only known person out due to protocol is the head coach. No other information being given out. Why?

    Interesting when visiting UCLA COVID dashboard;

    They have percent of THE VACCINATED, percent of THE UNVACCINATED WHO ARE IN COMPLIANCE", leaving the remainder as obviously non-compliant.

    So out these three groups "students", "faculty/staff", and "Health Dept. staff" where is the worse non-compliance???

     

     

     

    THE HEALTH DEPT. STAFF!!  3% listed as neither compliant or vaccinated. 

    Interesting.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

    Omicron appears to be

    "a very transmissible variant,"
    WHO chief scientist says

     

       “How much more transmissible than Delta,
        it’s hard to say at this point of time, but it is
        a very transmissible variant, that what it appears,” she said.

    from associated press dec 14 ::

     

    south african data analysis shows pfizer vaccine protect 70% against hospitalization from omicron

     

    a 2-dose pfizer-biontech vaccination appears to provide about 33% protection against infection but far more importantly  70% protection against hospitalization .   while that is not fantastic health officials consider it very good considering the vaccine was not designed for omicron  , but the original 'wuhan strain " from 2 yrs ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

    Omicron appears to be

    "a very transmissible variant,"
    WHO chief scientist says

     

       “How much more transmissible than Delta,
        it’s hard to say at this point of time, but it is
        a very transmissible variant, that what it appears,” she said.

    from associated press dec 14 ::

     

    south african data analysis shows pfizer vaccine protect 70% against hospitalization from omicron

     

    a 2-dose pfizer-biontech vaccination appears to provide about 33% protection against infection but far more importantly  70% protection against hospitalization .   while that is not fantastic health officials consider it very good considering the vaccine was not designed for omicron  , but the original 'wuhan strain " from 2 yrs ago

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:   Omicron appears to be "a very transmissible variant," WHO chief scientist says      “How much more transmissible than Delta,     it’s hard to say at this point of time, but it is    a very transmissible variant, that what it appears,” she said. from associated press dec 14 ::   south african data analysis shows pfizer vaccine protect 70% against hospitalization from omicron   a 2-dose pfizer-biontech vaccination appears to provide about 33% protection against infection but far more importantly  70% protection against hospitalization .   while that is not fantastic health officials consider it very good considering the vaccine was not designed for omicron  , but the original 'wuhan strain " from 2 yrs ago

     

    omicron now detected in 89 countries and spreading incredibly fast , according to WHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:   Omicron appears to be "a very transmissible variant," WHO chief scientist says      “How much more transmissible than Delta,     it’s hard to say at this point of time, but it is    a very transmissible variant, that what it appears,” she said. from associated press dec 14 ::   south african data analysis shows pfizer vaccine protect 70% against hospitalization from omicron   a 2-dose pfizer-biontech vaccination appears to provide about 33% protection against infection but far more importantly  70% protection against hospitalization .   while that is not fantastic health officials consider it very good considering the vaccine was not designed for omicron  , but the original 'wuhan strain " from 2 yrs ago

     

    omicron now detected in 89 countries and spreading incredibly fast , according to WHO

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    from associated press dec 14 ::

     

    south african data analysis shows pfizer vaccine protect 70% against hospitalization from omicron

     

    a 2-dose pfizer-biontech vaccination appears to provide about 33% protection against infection but far more importantly  70% protection against hospitalization .   while that is not fantastic health officials consider it very good considering the vaccine was not designed for omicron  , but the original 'wuhan strain " from 2 yrs ago

     

    (AP) Seattle and King County health officer Dr. Jeff Duchin said:
          “We can also expect that vaccines will continue to work
            against  SEVERE  infection,” 
    “The single most important thing we can do is to get vaccinated
    and boosted — and even if you’ve already had COVID,” he said.

    While the severity of omicron cases isn't clear yet, Duchin said
    it is clear that this variant is going to find people — especially
    people who remain unvaccinated or
    who have relied on previous COVID-19 infection for immunity.

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    from associated press dec 14 ::

     

    south african data analysis shows pfizer vaccine protect 70% against hospitalization from omicron

     

    a 2-dose pfizer-biontech vaccination appears to provide about 33% protection against infection but far more importantly  70% protection against hospitalization .   while that is not fantastic health officials consider it very good considering the vaccine was not designed for omicron  , but the original 'wuhan strain " from 2 yrs ago

     

    (AP) Seattle and King County health officer Dr. Jeff Duchin said:
          “We can also expect that vaccines will continue to work
            against  SEVERE  infection,” 
    “The single most important thing we can do is to get vaccinated
    and boosted — and even if you’ve already had COVID,” he said.

    While the severity of omicron cases isn't clear yet, Duchin said
    it is clear that this variant is going to find people — especially
    people who remain unvaccinated or
    who have relied on previous COVID-19 infection for immunity.

     
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    cut from cnn ::

     

    Coronavirus cases are spiking around the world, with the Omicron variant expected to become the dominant strain in multiple countries.

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    cut from cnn ::

     

    Coronavirus cases are spiking around the world, with the Omicron variant expected to become the dominant strain in multiple countries.

     
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    cut from cnn health ::

     

    Omicron responsible for more than 73% of new US cases, CDC data shows

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    cut from cnn health ::

     

    Omicron responsible for more than 73% of new US cases, CDC data shows

     
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    I would seriously question the origin of Omicron and how long it has been in existence. First identified in South Africa from a November 9th sample in South Africa.

    South Africa spike started Nov 25th and took off on Dec 1st. Meanwhile the island nation's of Iceland and on the other side of the world, Australia, reported their first cases of Omicron on December 2nd. The person with Omicron in Iceland had not traveled abroad. 

    This variant has been out there awhile.

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    I would seriously question the origin of Omicron and how long it has been in existence. First identified in South Africa from a November 9th sample in South Africa.

    South Africa spike started Nov 25th and took off on Dec 1st. Meanwhile the island nation's of Iceland and on the other side of the world, Australia, reported their first cases of Omicron on December 2nd. The person with Omicron in Iceland had not traveled abroad. 

    This variant has been out there awhile.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

    (AP) Seattle and King County health officer Dr. Jeff Duchin said:
      “We can also expect that vaccines will continue to work
        against SEVERE infection,”


    “The single most important thing we can do is to get vaccinated
    and boosted — and even if you’ve already had COVID,” he said.

    While the severity of omicron cases isn't clear yet, Duchin said
    it is clear that this variant is going to find people — especially
    people who remain unvaccinated or
    who have relied on previous COVID-19 infection for immunity.

    best way to beat the virus short of universal quarantines

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

    (AP) Seattle and King County health officer Dr. Jeff Duchin said:
      “We can also expect that vaccines will continue to work
        against SEVERE infection,”


    “The single most important thing we can do is to get vaccinated
    and boosted — and even if you’ve already had COVID,” he said.

    While the severity of omicron cases isn't clear yet, Duchin said
    it is clear that this variant is going to find people — especially
    people who remain unvaccinated or
    who have relied on previous COVID-19 infection for immunity.

    best way to beat the virus short of universal quarantines

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    a 2-dose pfizer-biontech vaccination appears to provide about 33% protection against infection but far more importantly  70% protection against hospitalization . 

    Ironic that the safest and most effective vaccines seem to be based on newer mRNA technology such as moderna and pzifer.  All vaccines offer some protection against severe illness.  But weaker protection against infection for older technology vaccines from Johnson, AstraZeneca, Russia and China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    a 2-dose pfizer-biontech vaccination appears to provide about 33% protection against infection but far more importantly  70% protection against hospitalization . 

    Ironic that the safest and most effective vaccines seem to be based on newer mRNA technology such as moderna and pzifer.  All vaccines offer some protection against severe illness.  But weaker protection against infection for older technology vaccines from Johnson, AstraZeneca, Russia and China.

     
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    What’s really ironic is all of the “public health experts" encouraging Pfizer to delay the vaccine until....

    ...late November.

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    What’s really ironic is all of the “public health experts" encouraging Pfizer to delay the vaccine until....

    ...late November.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: a 2-dose pfizer-biontech vaccination appears to provide about 33% protection against infection but far more importantly  70% protection against hospitalization . 

     

     

     

     

    Ironic that the safest and most effective vaccines seem to be based on newer mRNA technology such as moderna and pzifer.  All vaccines offer some protection against severe illness.  But weaker protection against infection for older technology vaccines from Johnson, AstraZeneca, Russia and China.

     

    yep     and some protection is better than none           a second covid pill has now received FDA approval thumbs_up

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: a 2-dose pfizer-biontech vaccination appears to provide about 33% protection against infection but far more importantly  70% protection against hospitalization . 

     

     

     

     

    Ironic that the safest and most effective vaccines seem to be based on newer mRNA technology such as moderna and pzifer.  All vaccines offer some protection against severe illness.  But weaker protection against infection for older technology vaccines from Johnson, AstraZeneca, Russia and China.

     

    yep     and some protection is better than none           a second covid pill has now received FDA approval thumbs_up

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: a 2-dose pfizer-biontech vaccination appears to provide about 33% protection against infection but far more importantly  70% protection against hospitalization . 

     

     

     

     

    Ironic that the safest and most effective vaccines seem to be based on newer mRNA technology such as moderna and pzifer.  All vaccines offer some protection against severe illness.  But weaker protection against infection for older technology vaccines from Johnson, AstraZeneca, Russia and China.

     

    yep     and some protection is better than none           a second covid pill has now received FDA approval thumbs_up

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: a 2-dose pfizer-biontech vaccination appears to provide about 33% protection against infection but far more importantly  70% protection against hospitalization . 

     

     

     

     

    Ironic that the safest and most effective vaccines seem to be based on newer mRNA technology such as moderna and pzifer.  All vaccines offer some protection against severe illness.  But weaker protection against infection for older technology vaccines from Johnson, AstraZeneca, Russia and China.

     

    yep     and some protection is better than none           a second covid pill has now received FDA approval thumbs_up

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