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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2013 - 1:15 AM ET #26

    Conservative posters are saying we should get rid of this program because there is fraud. Liberal posters are mad because conservatives are blaming liberals.

    Since no one came up with a good reason to keep this program going I think we can all agree Obama needs to be impeached.

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    Conservative posters are saying we should get rid of this program because there is fraud. Liberal posters are mad because conservatives are blaming liberals.

    Since no one came up with a good reason to keep this program going I think we can all agree Obama needs to be impeached.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by canovsp:

    Conservative posters are saying we should get rid of this program because there is fraud. Liberal posters are mad because conservatives are blaming liberals.

    Since no one came up with a good reason to keep this program going I think we can all agree Obama needs to be impeached.


    So what program is there not some issue of fraud or mismanagement?


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    Quote Originally Posted by canovsp:

    Conservative posters are saying we should get rid of this program because there is fraud. Liberal posters are mad because conservatives are blaming liberals.

    Since no one came up with a good reason to keep this program going I think we can all agree Obama needs to be impeached.


    So what program is there not some issue of fraud or mismanagement?


     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2013 - 3:38 AM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    https://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/


    what is this factcheck thing about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    https://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/


    what is this factcheck thing about?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2013 - 7:28 AM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    https://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/



    A "fact check" from 2009 doesn't address what happened within the last week.


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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    https://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/



    A "fact check" from 2009 doesn't address what happened within the last week.


     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2013 - 9:12 AM ET #30

    Lifelink program is funded by subscribers of telecommunications companies.  Also Federal Commissions Commission is funded by regulatory fees.  NOT TAXPAYERS.

    Obama has nothing to do with Lifelink program run by FCC which is independent of President's control.  Contrary to rumours, majority of applicants provide documentation to prove eligibility.  But private sector employees can make mistakes in accepting customers.

    Lifelink is Reagan's program and not Obama's because it was started in 1984 to help provide discounted phone service to low income Americans.

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    Lifelink program is funded by subscribers of telecommunications companies.  Also Federal Commissions Commission is funded by regulatory fees.  NOT TAXPAYERS.

    Obama has nothing to do with Lifelink program run by FCC which is independent of President's control.  Contrary to rumours, majority of applicants provide documentation to prove eligibility.  But private sector employees can make mistakes in accepting customers.

    Lifelink is Reagan's program and not Obama's because it was started in 1984 to help provide discounted phone service to low income Americans.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Lifelink program is funded by subscribers of telecommunications companies.  Also Federal Commissions Commission is funded by regulatory fees.  NOT TAXPAYERS.

    Obama has nothing to do with Lifelink program run by FCC which is independent of President's control.  Americans.

    Hi.

    The President appoints every member of the FCC. And every member is confirmed by the Senate - currently run by the President's party.

    As to your (false) contention about the "taxpayers" and FCC funding:

    Washington, D.C. -- The President has submitted a budget to Congress that proposes fiscal year
    2013 funding for the Federal Communications Commission of $346.78 million.
    The requested FY 2013 funding level would include: continuing efforts to accelerate broadband
    deployment throughout the nation; implementing the FCC’s reforms to the Universal Service
    Fund programs; improving the FCC’s information technology infrastructure and continuing to
    enhance the security of its systems; investing in the FCC’s technical and engineering capabilities
    to detect interference issues, plan for interoperability needs, and test new technologies; and
    studying participation in the communications industry.
    The complete copy of the Commission’s FY 2013 budget submission is available on the FCC’s
    Web site at:
    https://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/fcc-strategic-plan.

    I don't know where you get this type of information, but I'd look at other sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Lifelink program is funded by subscribers of telecommunications companies.  Also Federal Commissions Commission is funded by regulatory fees.  NOT TAXPAYERS.

    Obama has nothing to do with Lifelink program run by FCC which is independent of President's control.  Americans.

    Hi.

    The President appoints every member of the FCC. And every member is confirmed by the Senate - currently run by the President's party.

    As to your (false) contention about the "taxpayers" and FCC funding:

    Washington, D.C. -- The President has submitted a budget to Congress that proposes fiscal year
    2013 funding for the Federal Communications Commission of $346.78 million.
    The requested FY 2013 funding level would include: continuing efforts to accelerate broadband
    deployment throughout the nation; implementing the FCC’s reforms to the Universal Service
    Fund programs; improving the FCC’s information technology infrastructure and continuing to
    enhance the security of its systems; investing in the FCC’s technical and engineering capabilities
    to detect interference issues, plan for interoperability needs, and test new technologies; and
    studying participation in the communications industry.
    The complete copy of the Commission’s FY 2013 budget submission is available on the FCC’s
    Web site at:
    https://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/fcc-strategic-plan.

    I don't know where you get this type of information, but I'd look at other sources.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2013 - 10:18 AM ET #32

    Obama phones ............

    Created under Reagan,, subsidization of phones began under President Clinton and use and abuse began under Obama..

    So why are they call Obama Phones?

    The name "Obama phone" was coined during the last presidential campaign, as to appear it was personal gift from President Obama..

    If you have a wireless or landline phone, you’re paying for millions of people ( FCC says 6 million) to get a free phone. People who pay a monthly phone bill get an added fee of around $2.50 called the Universal Service Fund fee to their bill.
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    Obama phones ............

    Created under Reagan,, subsidization of phones began under President Clinton and use and abuse began under Obama..

    So why are they call Obama Phones?

    The name "Obama phone" was coined during the last presidential campaign, as to appear it was personal gift from President Obama..

    If you have a wireless or landline phone, you’re paying for millions of people ( FCC says 6 million) to get a free phone. People who pay a monthly phone bill get an added fee of around $2.50 called the Universal Service Fund fee to their bill.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2013 - 10:25 AM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    Hi.

    The President appoints every member of the FCC. And every member is confirmed by the Senate - currently run by the President's party.

    As to your (false) contention about the "taxpayers" and FCC funding:

    Washington, D.C. -- The President has submitted a budget to Congress that proposes fiscal year
    2013 funding for the Federal Communications Commission of $346.78 million.
    The requested FY 2013 funding level would include: continuing efforts to accelerate broadband
    deployment throughout the nation; implementing the FCC’s reforms to the Universal Service
    Fund programs; improving the FCC’s information technology infrastructure and continuing to
    enhance the security of its systems; investing in the FCC’s technical and engineering capabilities
    to detect interference issues, plan for interoperability needs, and test new technologies; and
    studying participation in the communications industry.
    The complete copy of the Commission’s FY 2013 budget submission is available on the FCC’s
    Web site at:
    https://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/fcc-strategic-plan.

    I don't know where you get this type of information, but I'd look at other sources.

    Not exactly right.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Communications_Commission

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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    Hi.

    The President appoints every member of the FCC. And every member is confirmed by the Senate - currently run by the President's party.

    As to your (false) contention about the "taxpayers" and FCC funding:

    Washington, D.C. -- The President has submitted a budget to Congress that proposes fiscal year
    2013 funding for the Federal Communications Commission of $346.78 million.
    The requested FY 2013 funding level would include: continuing efforts to accelerate broadband
    deployment throughout the nation; implementing the FCC’s reforms to the Universal Service
    Fund programs; improving the FCC’s information technology infrastructure and continuing to
    enhance the security of its systems; investing in the FCC’s technical and engineering capabilities
    to detect interference issues, plan for interoperability needs, and test new technologies; and
    studying participation in the communications industry.
    The complete copy of the Commission’s FY 2013 budget submission is available on the FCC’s
    Web site at:
    https://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/fcc-strategic-plan.

    I don't know where you get this type of information, but I'd look at other sources.

    Not exactly right.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Communications_Commission

     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2013 - 11:08 AM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Not exactly right.




    Which part?
    I don't read Wikipedia, so you should probably specify.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Not exactly right.




    Which part?
    I don't read Wikipedia, so you should probably specify.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2013 - 11:48 AM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Thread was titled liberals mismanaged tax dollars..

    Or maybe I need some glasses.

    What one party calls waste, another calls social aid.

    What one party calls waste, another calls defense spending and getting rid of WMDs.

    Its all the same bag, you just like a blue bag while someone else likes a red bag.

    I like neither...

    I agree the program should exist as it benefits those that don't have the means to have a phone.  but as the article I referenced in post #1 demonstrates, the lack of oversight basically encourages fraud.  the carriers main focus is to give out as many phones as they can!  not to identify those that need phones!  this is where the fraud occurs.  do you not think this is wasteful?  I asked you that in post #22.   you would not answer the question directly. 

     6 times you have made a reply in this thread and 6 times you have not made a statement agreeing that there is fraud and that it is wasteful. your reasoning is:

    What one party calls waste, another calls social aid.

    What one party calls waste, another calls defense spending and getting rid of WMDs.
     
    we're not talking about wmd's or any other government program.   we're talking about obamaphones.  and not the fraud committed by the public, but by the organization of the program that makes the fraud so easy to commit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Thread was titled liberals mismanaged tax dollars..

    Or maybe I need some glasses.

    What one party calls waste, another calls social aid.

    What one party calls waste, another calls defense spending and getting rid of WMDs.

    Its all the same bag, you just like a blue bag while someone else likes a red bag.

    I like neither...

    I agree the program should exist as it benefits those that don't have the means to have a phone.  but as the article I referenced in post #1 demonstrates, the lack of oversight basically encourages fraud.  the carriers main focus is to give out as many phones as they can!  not to identify those that need phones!  this is where the fraud occurs.  do you not think this is wasteful?  I asked you that in post #22.   you would not answer the question directly. 

     6 times you have made a reply in this thread and 6 times you have not made a statement agreeing that there is fraud and that it is wasteful. your reasoning is:

    What one party calls waste, another calls social aid.

    What one party calls waste, another calls defense spending and getting rid of WMDs.
     
    we're not talking about wmd's or any other government program.   we're talking about obamaphones.  and not the fraud committed by the public, but by the organization of the program that makes the fraud so easy to commit.
     
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    Who cares about what the program is, the point is that waste occurs in most any and all government programs.

    When people try to tack on weaknesses to one political party, I am not fond of such a generalist approach.

    So when you are talking ANY aspect of government involvement then you are talking about all..its not pick and choose which program or area to complain about.

    And while conservatives complain about social programs and waste, liberals complain about military and corporate freebies..its all the same.

    I dont like Obama, well I like him more than Bush but I didnt vote for him in either election..but the blanket blame is what bugs me.
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    Who cares about what the program is, the point is that waste occurs in most any and all government programs.

    When people try to tack on weaknesses to one political party, I am not fond of such a generalist approach.

    So when you are talking ANY aspect of government involvement then you are talking about all..its not pick and choose which program or area to complain about.

    And while conservatives complain about social programs and waste, liberals complain about military and corporate freebies..its all the same.

    I dont like Obama, well I like him more than Bush but I didnt vote for him in either election..but the blanket blame is what bugs me.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2013 - 1:53 PM ET #37

    Wall, stiln makes 10 threads a day with the same crap, but I never see you chim in and say its a waste of thread
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    Wall, stiln makes 10 threads a day with the same crap, but I never see you chim in and say its a waste of thread
     
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    Wall, look at post 4 by you in the Arizona Republican thread. You are so biased, there isno way yyou sshould be a mod.
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    Wall, look at post 4 by you in the Arizona Republican thread. You are so biased, there isno way yyou sshould be a mod.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by waltertaylor24:

    Wall, stiln makes 10 threads a day with the same crap, but I never see you chim in and say its a waste of thread

    Ahhh as mentioned above you do not see all that goes on here, so the comment is erroneous..not to your fault but there are certain people here who assume political biases occurs and that for sure is not the case.

    I also think the frequency rate for certain actions is higher with certain members..and certain members have a history which "allegedly" precedes your being involved here..but maybe not?


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    Quote Originally Posted by waltertaylor24:

    Wall, stiln makes 10 threads a day with the same crap, but I never see you chim in and say its a waste of thread

    Ahhh as mentioned above you do not see all that goes on here, so the comment is erroneous..not to your fault but there are certain people here who assume political biases occurs and that for sure is not the case.

    I also think the frequency rate for certain actions is higher with certain members..and certain members have a history which "allegedly" precedes your being involved here..but maybe not?


     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2013 - 2:22 PM ET #40

    Quote Originally Posted by waltertaylor24:

    Wall, look at post 4 by you in the Arizona Republican thread. You are so biased, there isno way yyou sshould be a mod.

    You are a bit off on this one. I live in Arizona..thus my comment.

    Man you are seriously reaching..give it a rest already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltertaylor24:

    Wall, look at post 4 by you in the Arizona Republican thread. You are so biased, there isno way yyou sshould be a mod.

    You are a bit off on this one. I live in Arizona..thus my comment.

    Man you are seriously reaching..give it a rest already.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2013 - 2:50 PM ET #41

    This thread is getting funnier and funnier
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    This thread is getting funnier and funnier
     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2013 - 3:45 PM ET #42

    You know who see's what's going on around here ?

    The members ...their the ones, that see whats going on in other Forums.There has been three CT requesting to help remove touts in different Forums in the last 22 hours..

    One has to wonder... why controlling touting at Covers would not take a higher priority...esp.over certain political comments,that are analyzed in depth for the intentions of the members comment and then weighted by their past posting history..
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    You know who see's what's going on around here ?

    The members ...their the ones, that see whats going on in other Forums.There has been three CT requesting to help remove touts in different Forums in the last 22 hours..

    One has to wonder... why controlling touting at Covers would not take a higher priority...esp.over certain political comments,that are analyzed in depth for the intentions of the members comment and then weighted by their past posting history..
     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2013 - 3:53 PM ET #43

    Looks like the "wannabe mod" is upset again...

    Perhaps sarasotaSnitch will go rushing to the help section like he did last time...

    Seems like his AppleCart got upset and he is back to his old routine...
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    Looks like the "wannabe mod" is upset again...

    Perhaps sarasotaSnitch will go rushing to the help section like he did last time...

    Seems like his AppleCart got upset and he is back to his old routine...
     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2013 - 4:18 PM ET #44

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    You know who see's what's going on around here ?

    The members ...their the ones, that see whats going on in other Forums.There has been three CT requesting to help remove touts in different Forums in the last 22 hours..

    One has to wonder... why controlling touting at Covers would not take a higher priority...esp.over certain political comments,that are analyzed in depth for the intentions of the members comment and then weighted by their past posting history..

    Wow.

    SS is on the case, things will get wrapped up shortly.

    Maybe you should call CT and let them know about all the touts since you are sincerely concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    You know who see's what's going on around here ?

    The members ...their the ones, that see whats going on in other Forums.There has been three CT requesting to help remove touts in different Forums in the last 22 hours..

    One has to wonder... why controlling touting at Covers would not take a higher priority...esp.over certain political comments,that are analyzed in depth for the intentions of the members comment and then weighted by their past posting history..

    Wow.

    SS is on the case, things will get wrapped up shortly.

    Maybe you should call CT and let them know about all the touts since you are sincerely concerned.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2013 - 5:26 PM ET #45

    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    .

    As to your (false) contention about the "taxpayers" and FCC funding:

    Washington, D.C. -- The President has submitted a budget to Congress that proposes fiscal year
    2013 funding for the Federal Communications Commission of $346.78 million.

     

    14daroad is confused again.  CHAIRMAN of Federal Communication Committee submitted budget proposal.  NOT Obama.  According to djbrow and wikipedia, FCC is entirely funded by regulatory fees.  They are collected from telecommunication companies up to the level allowed by Congress.

    FCC has made changes to Lifelink program to stop fraud. According to FCC and consumerreports, millions of dollars have already been saved by eliminating thousands of duplicate subscriptions.  Millions of accounts are currently under review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

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    As to your (false) contention about the "taxpayers" and FCC funding:

    Washington, D.C. -- The President has submitted a budget to Congress that proposes fiscal year
    2013 funding for the Federal Communications Commission of $346.78 million.

     

    14daroad is confused again.  CHAIRMAN of Federal Communication Committee submitted budget proposal.  NOT Obama.  According to djbrow and wikipedia, FCC is entirely funded by regulatory fees.  They are collected from telecommunication companies up to the level allowed by Congress.

    FCC has made changes to Lifelink program to stop fraud. According to FCC and consumerreports, millions of dollars have already been saved by eliminating thousands of duplicate subscriptions.  Millions of accounts are currently under review.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2013 - 5:30 PM ET #46

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:



    Maybe you should call CT and let them know about all the touts since you are sincerely concerned.




    I did and they sorta suggested,that Mr.L was planning a major shake-up with lower staff members at Covers ...to try and halt the shrinking membership..


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:



    Maybe you should call CT and let them know about all the touts since you are sincerely concerned.




    I did and they sorta suggested,that Mr.L was planning a major shake-up with lower staff members at Covers ...to try and halt the shrinking membership..


     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2013 - 5:53 PM ET #47

    The bails outs here are just getting funnier and funnier...

    Only on covers... ; )
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    The bails outs here are just getting funnier and funnier...

    Only on covers... ; )
     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2013 - 6:28 PM ET #48

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Who cares about what the program is, the point is that waste occurs in most any and all government programs.

    When people try to tack on weaknesses to one political party, I am not fond of such a generalist approach.

    So when you are talking ANY aspect of government involvement then you are talking about all..its not pick and choose which program or area to complain about.

    And while conservatives complain about social programs and waste, liberals complain about military and corporate freebies..its all the same.

    I dont like Obama, well I like him more than Bush but I didnt vote for him in either election..but the blanket blame is what bugs me.

    it is a political forum.  my complaint and the topic of the thread was specific to the fraud of the obamaphone program.  so according to you,  basically all threads should be general and shouldn't target one specific government shortcoming?  funny you don't respond in a similar tone on all political threads.

    So when you are talking ANY aspect of government involvement then you are talking about all..its not pick and choose which program or area to complain about

    ok fidel, I mean wallstreet... let me know which topics I can talk about.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Who cares about what the program is, the point is that waste occurs in most any and all government programs.

    When people try to tack on weaknesses to one political party, I am not fond of such a generalist approach.

    So when you are talking ANY aspect of government involvement then you are talking about all..its not pick and choose which program or area to complain about.

    And while conservatives complain about social programs and waste, liberals complain about military and corporate freebies..its all the same.

    I dont like Obama, well I like him more than Bush but I didnt vote for him in either election..but the blanket blame is what bugs me.

    it is a political forum.  my complaint and the topic of the thread was specific to the fraud of the obamaphone program.  so according to you,  basically all threads should be general and shouldn't target one specific government shortcoming?  funny you don't respond in a similar tone on all political threads.

    So when you are talking ANY aspect of government involvement then you are talking about all..its not pick and choose which program or area to complain about

    ok fidel, I mean wallstreet... let me know which topics I can talk about.  

     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2013 - 7:02 PM ET #49

    here we go with the alsharpton routine of playing the victim and crying out injustice and discrimination 

    14 is confused...

    sarasotaSnitch is talking about rushing to the helpsection/CT...

    seems like they are all showing their true colors....

    Well done guys
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    here we go with the alsharpton routine of playing the victim and crying out injustice and discrimination 

    14 is confused...

    sarasotaSnitch is talking about rushing to the helpsection/CT...

    seems like they are all showing their true colors....

    Well done guys
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    14daroad is confused again.  CHAIRMAN of Federal Communication Committee submitted budget proposal.  NOT Obama.  According to djbrow and wikipedia, FCC is entirely funded by regulatory fees.  


    Even though I linked you to the information you repeat the false talking point.

    Wow.

    Would you like a link to the federal budget showing that the FCC receives federal funding? Or would you just repeat the same thing?

    You also don't understand at all that the "chairman" submitted a funding request to the White House, which is his job, and the WH then submitted the request to Congress. And Congress approved the funding.

    The FCC receives taxpayer funding. That is a fact that is easily researched.

     No matter what you, wikipedia, or djbrow say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    14daroad is confused again.  CHAIRMAN of Federal Communication Committee submitted budget proposal.  NOT Obama.  According to djbrow and wikipedia, FCC is entirely funded by regulatory fees.  


    Even though I linked you to the information you repeat the false talking point.

    Wow.

    Would you like a link to the federal budget showing that the FCC receives federal funding? Or would you just repeat the same thing?

    You also don't understand at all that the "chairman" submitted a funding request to the White House, which is his job, and the WH then submitted the request to Congress. And Congress approved the funding.

    The FCC receives taxpayer funding. That is a fact that is easily researched.

     No matter what you, wikipedia, or djbrow say.

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