Depends on what the full story is and which media is "ignoring" as there are other quite large stories going on as well. I dont see how we can be surprised or angry that fraud happens when the government is so far behind the curve and there seems to be no recourse and no resources to catch and prosecute. There was a crap ton of covid funds fraud and I do not recall much of any recourse, same goes for the mortgage relief fraud and Medicare fraud is like a weed it never is slowed because people want immediate services and speedy access but do not want to fund government agencies and provide the government with the best technology and resources to quickly and effectively vet AND regulate ongoing operations. We will spend on sending billions to Argentina and to shoot boats or ICE hunt the brown guy (government spending hit historic highs last Q) so we DO spend, just not on resources to process the needs of society and to make sure fraud is contained. We fund in areas that lobbyists target and PACS buy access so with that you get fraud, crappy service and ineffective programs that most Americans utilize but that do not buy elected officials attention.
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@UNIMAN
Depends on what the full story is and which media is "ignoring" as there are other quite large stories going on as well. I dont see how we can be surprised or angry that fraud happens when the government is so far behind the curve and there seems to be no recourse and no resources to catch and prosecute. There was a crap ton of covid funds fraud and I do not recall much of any recourse, same goes for the mortgage relief fraud and Medicare fraud is like a weed it never is slowed because people want immediate services and speedy access but do not want to fund government agencies and provide the government with the best technology and resources to quickly and effectively vet AND regulate ongoing operations. We will spend on sending billions to Argentina and to shoot boats or ICE hunt the brown guy (government spending hit historic highs last Q) so we DO spend, just not on resources to process the needs of society and to make sure fraud is contained. We fund in areas that lobbyists target and PACS buy access so with that you get fraud, crappy service and ineffective programs that most Americans utilize but that do not buy elected officials attention.
Too early for investigation to determine whether tax payers money has funded terrorist organization. Little evidence has emerged to prove any link. Federal prosecutors have not indicted anyone. State leaders and immigration experts say investigation is dubious effort to sow fear and suspicion.
State leaders are involved/complicit in the fraud so of course they're gonna deny it........ sorry, but that won't fly.
Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
The media ignoring it renforces my beliefs and bothers me more than the fraud itself.
It's interesting what our local affiliates choose to report, & how they word it. Being in Seattle, they definitely toe the party line.
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Too early for investigation to determine whether tax payers money has funded terrorist organization. Little evidence has emerged to prove any link. Federal prosecutors have not indicted anyone. State leaders and immigration experts say investigation is dubious effort to sow fear and suspicion.
State leaders are involved/complicit in the fraud so of course they're gonna deny it........ sorry, but that won't fly.
Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
The media ignoring it renforces my beliefs and bothers me more than the fraud itself.
It's interesting what our local affiliates choose to report, & how they word it. Being in Seattle, they definitely toe the party line.
Gov. Tim Walz, D-Minn., is at the center of a widening scandal as federal prosecutors continue to unravel one of the nation’s largest COVID-era fraud cases, but anyone who relies on evening newscasts on ABC, NBC and CBS for information would have no idea.
Gov. Tim Walz, D-Minn., is at the center of a widening scandal as federal prosecutors continue to unravel one of the nation’s largest COVID-era fraud cases, but anyone who relies on evening newscasts on ABC, NBC and CBS for information would have no idea.
Ok so about 75 immigrants from Somalia found a way to rip off our government. Since when is this big freaking news?
Just add them to all the other scumbags that took advantage of lax controls when the government was giving away free money. These fraud cases are plentiful but you happen to get a boner because it's a Governor of a blue state.
Hell I posted the Medicare fraud that took place on my Medicare account being charged for Covid @ home test kits. Do you recall reading this?
I contacted Medicare to report the fraud & they had already PAID THE BILL! My reporting of the fraud was noted & documented. But no attempt was ever made to recoup the funds? So what group was conducting fraud in this case? Americans? Illegal immigrants? Organized crime? Internet band of pricks?
Who the hell knows? There are plenty of options to consider.
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@UNIMAN
Ok so about 75 immigrants from Somalia found a way to rip off our government. Since when is this big freaking news?
Just add them to all the other scumbags that took advantage of lax controls when the government was giving away free money. These fraud cases are plentiful but you happen to get a boner because it's a Governor of a blue state.
Hell I posted the Medicare fraud that took place on my Medicare account being charged for Covid @ home test kits. Do you recall reading this?
I contacted Medicare to report the fraud & they had already PAID THE BILL! My reporting of the fraud was noted & documented. But no attempt was ever made to recoup the funds? So what group was conducting fraud in this case? Americans? Illegal immigrants? Organized crime? Internet band of pricks?
Who the hell knows? There are plenty of options to consider.
The whole COVID deal was a joke. Like Midnight said, tons of people lined up and stole from the government, including people I know, and many of you probably know. They can all go to hell, including the Somalis that allegedly did this
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The whole COVID deal was a joke. Like Midnight said, tons of people lined up and stole from the government, including people I know, and many of you probably know. They can all go to hell, including the Somalis that allegedly did this
When multitudes try to alert those in charge about the fraud & they ignore it, it raises red flags about those in charge.......like the clown that was on the 2024 ticket.
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@Midnight1
When multitudes try to alert those in charge about the fraud & they ignore it, it raises red flags about those in charge.......like the clown that was on the 2024 ticket.
The point I tried to make (as usual) and midnight made was that a few of you are only partisan in how you see most all things and that for sure in this case is 100% wrong. This fraud is not the first fraud or the last fraud in fact there are frauds going on today right this minute as I type this message. I said I am not shocked, he said he is not surprised and again I have no idea how a few of you can make this topic specifically partisan, its just narrow thinking to yet again take a partisan swipe. It serves zero purpose it is completely inaccurate and is a waste of time to try and correlate.
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The point I tried to make (as usual) and midnight made was that a few of you are only partisan in how you see most all things and that for sure in this case is 100% wrong. This fraud is not the first fraud or the last fraud in fact there are frauds going on today right this minute as I type this message. I said I am not shocked, he said he is not surprised and again I have no idea how a few of you can make this topic specifically partisan, its just narrow thinking to yet again take a partisan swipe. It serves zero purpose it is completely inaccurate and is a waste of time to try and correlate.
Really? The guy that was on the 2024 ticket for dems has been exposed for ignoring a billion dollar fraud scheme in the state he governs & it's no big deal? LOL, there are dozens of worthless (& PARTISAN) threads here about Trump & I don't think I've ever seen you announce the same of those. They serve zero purpose, are completely inaccurate, and are a waste of time to try and correlate.
No, you don't brush this under the rug, as much as dems would like to.
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@wallstreetcappers
Really? The guy that was on the 2024 ticket for dems has been exposed for ignoring a billion dollar fraud scheme in the state he governs & it's no big deal? LOL, there are dozens of worthless (& PARTISAN) threads here about Trump & I don't think I've ever seen you announce the same of those. They serve zero purpose, are completely inaccurate, and are a waste of time to try and correlate.
No, you don't brush this under the rug, as much as dems would like to.
The topic of the thread is partisan, that is why you titled it as you did and positioned it as you did, my comment(s) and others is that this topic is NOT partisan, who cares about Walz and Minny, this fraud is about Medicare not about your partisan complaint of the day, or is it? Do you scour every partisan opportunity you can to try and make partisan threads and comments (nobody uses the term libs more than you on this site)?
You cannot cry about members stating fact and swatting the partisan aspect to your thread given that Medicare fraud has been going on for decades and exists in every single state and city in this country, it is not about DEMS vs TNC so why make a weak sauce partisan thread and then get miffed when someone asks (as I did) are you mad about the fraud or are you mad that it was a brown person or are you mad that it has to do ONLY in a DEM politician state? So if I said that in Florida Medicare fraud is rampant (which it is) or in Texas that Medicare fraud is rampant (which it is) and that all colors of this country participate in this fraud, would that mean anything to you or is your SOLE concern to make every freaking comment about how you dislike DEMS and LIBS?
This isnt about Trump either or what OTHERS do or OTHERS say, I dont fall for the finger pointing grade school excuses that someone else is worse so dont question me line, this is about a thread you made and addressing the TRUTHS regarding your thread.
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@THEMUGG
The topic of the thread is partisan, that is why you titled it as you did and positioned it as you did, my comment(s) and others is that this topic is NOT partisan, who cares about Walz and Minny, this fraud is about Medicare not about your partisan complaint of the day, or is it? Do you scour every partisan opportunity you can to try and make partisan threads and comments (nobody uses the term libs more than you on this site)?
You cannot cry about members stating fact and swatting the partisan aspect to your thread given that Medicare fraud has been going on for decades and exists in every single state and city in this country, it is not about DEMS vs TNC so why make a weak sauce partisan thread and then get miffed when someone asks (as I did) are you mad about the fraud or are you mad that it was a brown person or are you mad that it has to do ONLY in a DEM politician state? So if I said that in Florida Medicare fraud is rampant (which it is) or in Texas that Medicare fraud is rampant (which it is) and that all colors of this country participate in this fraud, would that mean anything to you or is your SOLE concern to make every freaking comment about how you dislike DEMS and LIBS?
This isnt about Trump either or what OTHERS do or OTHERS say, I dont fall for the finger pointing grade school excuses that someone else is worse so dont question me line, this is about a thread you made and addressing the TRUTHS regarding your thread.
I could give two shits about Republican or Democrats as they are both friggen corrupt and pulling the wool over your eyes, but this topic is relevant and to say otherwise is just pure nonsense....fraud is fraud and I don't care what State it is in or who the governor is or what kind of cheese they like....it's a topic and should and can be discussed...it's just as relevant as any of the other threads in this forum so no reason to bring up relevancy when it is clearly relevant...and the title of the thread says nothing but the possible truth as facts begin to come out about the situation...
If I was reffing the situation I would let both teams play...to say to the contrary that the thread is not partisan while other topics are, is showing who you are...other threads do the exact same thing as this thread and receive no reprimands of equal or same value....that's a fair point that is being made and it is actually truthful....it's very opinionated in most of the threads here and clear to see that one side has a field general backing them while the other side has only lonely sergeants...
I would encourage anyone to make a thread about Florida fraud or Texas fraud as a means to enlighten some of actually what is going on out there....this fraud should outrage anyone and everyone living in this country...
Keep on fighting
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I could give two shits about Republican or Democrats as they are both friggen corrupt and pulling the wool over your eyes, but this topic is relevant and to say otherwise is just pure nonsense....fraud is fraud and I don't care what State it is in or who the governor is or what kind of cheese they like....it's a topic and should and can be discussed...it's just as relevant as any of the other threads in this forum so no reason to bring up relevancy when it is clearly relevant...and the title of the thread says nothing but the possible truth as facts begin to come out about the situation...
If I was reffing the situation I would let both teams play...to say to the contrary that the thread is not partisan while other topics are, is showing who you are...other threads do the exact same thing as this thread and receive no reprimands of equal or same value....that's a fair point that is being made and it is actually truthful....it's very opinionated in most of the threads here and clear to see that one side has a field general backing them while the other side has only lonely sergeants...
I would encourage anyone to make a thread about Florida fraud or Texas fraud as a means to enlighten some of actually what is going on out there....this fraud should outrage anyone and everyone living in this country...
Uh the relevancy is that Mugg admitted to making this for partisan purposes. Midnight and I were interested in the Medicare fraud part not that Walz is not being put to the burner because he is a DEM and that the media is giving a pass to a DEM (which is Muggs contention btw).
Fighting means what exactly, fight that a DEM isnt getting buried in the media? That is the purpose for his topic, a few of us just steered the path to make it NON PARTISAN and then Mugg complained about being questioned if he is really interested in the fraud or just the partisan DEM LIBS stuff.
If you want partisan fighting then the mains is not the place for it really...
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Uh the relevancy is that Mugg admitted to making this for partisan purposes. Midnight and I were interested in the Medicare fraud part not that Walz is not being put to the burner because he is a DEM and that the media is giving a pass to a DEM (which is Muggs contention btw).
Fighting means what exactly, fight that a DEM isnt getting buried in the media? That is the purpose for his topic, a few of us just steered the path to make it NON PARTISAN and then Mugg complained about being questioned if he is really interested in the fraud or just the partisan DEM LIBS stuff.
If you want partisan fighting then the mains is not the place for it really...
Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare: I might have missed that post by MUGG If so, MUGG....Why???I didn't.....WSC simply inferred it. This forum is filled with partisan threads......if one wants to complain about that then they need to work both sides of the issue.
Well you admitted it with the comments you made rather than answering the question and steering the topic away from DEM LIB and more to Medicare fraud. So are you bothered that Walz is not being smacked around, are you bothered that the Somalians are bilking the government or are you mad about government fraud?
Im bothered with fraud not the politician or the color of the perp myself. If you are bothered by the fraud then who cares the bulk of your complaint that the media is not paying attention since he is a LIB?
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Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:
Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare: I might have missed that post by MUGG If so, MUGG....Why???I didn't.....WSC simply inferred it. This forum is filled with partisan threads......if one wants to complain about that then they need to work both sides of the issue.
Well you admitted it with the comments you made rather than answering the question and steering the topic away from DEM LIB and more to Medicare fraud. So are you bothered that Walz is not being smacked around, are you bothered that the Somalians are bilking the government or are you mad about government fraud?
Im bothered with fraud not the politician or the color of the perp myself. If you are bothered by the fraud then who cares the bulk of your complaint that the media is not paying attention since he is a LIB?
Post 4 and 7 and 10 and the library of your posting history communicate what your purpose is. Anyone who does not know you are a freight train running down LIBS and DEMS is not paying attention.
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Post 4 and 7 and 10 and the library of your posting history communicate what your purpose is. Anyone who does not know you are a freight train running down LIBS and DEMS is not paying attention.
Post 4 and 7 and 10 and the library of your posting history communicate what your purpose is. Anyone who does not know you are a freight train running down LIBS and DEMS is not paying attention.
OK.....so what? We all know that fubah, CD, & a host of others are "freight trains running down Trump/MAGA/conservatives", so what is your point? Why do my posts bother you so much but not theirs? Aren't you a "moderator"? If no rules of the forum are being violated, you can simply ignore them. Nobody says you have to chastise posters.
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Post 4 and 7 and 10 and the library of your posting history communicate what your purpose is. Anyone who does not know you are a freight train running down LIBS and DEMS is not paying attention.
OK.....so what? We all know that fubah, CD, & a host of others are "freight trains running down Trump/MAGA/conservatives", so what is your point? Why do my posts bother you so much but not theirs? Aren't you a "moderator"? If no rules of the forum are being violated, you can simply ignore them. Nobody says you have to chastise posters.
The same person who once said "Republicans are fat pigs feeding from the trough", white men are the problem, now first tries to make this thread racial and now partisan.
Looking for any reason to box it.
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@THEMUGG
The same person who once said "Republicans are fat pigs feeding from the trough", white men are the problem, now first tries to make this thread racial and now partisan.
Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Post 4 and 7 and 10 and the library of your posting history communicate what your purpose is. Anyone who does not know you are a freight train running down LIBS and DEMS is not paying attention. OK.....so what? We all know that fubah, CD, & a host of others are "freight trains running down Trump/MAGA/conservatives", so what is your point? Why do my posts bother you so much but not theirs? Aren't you a "moderator"? If no rules of the forum are being violated, you can simply ignore them. Nobody says you have to chastise posters.
That's a valid point
And if you did not admit to making this thread or make a post about doing this for partisan purposes, then that was not a valid point or argument....I think that a lot goes towards history of the poster themselves and that argument is used quite a bit.....not sure why because the content being stated should be the most relevant...if it's questionable content then maybe the past can kick in but not every time....seems to be a go to...
I don't find anything wrong with the thread and I assume just about everyone in here is opposed to fraud of any level regardless of who the person is affiliated with politically....maybe that's just me, but I can see where the left takes a hard line approach towards the right and the right takes a hard line approach with the left...it's silly really because we're all getting screwed or benefiting from decisions being made that are out of our control....
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Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:
Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Post 4 and 7 and 10 and the library of your posting history communicate what your purpose is. Anyone who does not know you are a freight train running down LIBS and DEMS is not paying attention. OK.....so what? We all know that fubah, CD, & a host of others are "freight trains running down Trump/MAGA/conservatives", so what is your point? Why do my posts bother you so much but not theirs? Aren't you a "moderator"? If no rules of the forum are being violated, you can simply ignore them. Nobody says you have to chastise posters.
That's a valid point
And if you did not admit to making this thread or make a post about doing this for partisan purposes, then that was not a valid point or argument....I think that a lot goes towards history of the poster themselves and that argument is used quite a bit.....not sure why because the content being stated should be the most relevant...if it's questionable content then maybe the past can kick in but not every time....seems to be a go to...
I don't find anything wrong with the thread and I assume just about everyone in here is opposed to fraud of any level regardless of who the person is affiliated with politically....maybe that's just me, but I can see where the left takes a hard line approach towards the right and the right takes a hard line approach with the left...it's silly really because we're all getting screwed or benefiting from decisions being made that are out of our control....
No point just that you got miffed a few of us actually wanted to talk about the TOPIC not about the partisan stupid garbage, we wanted to discuss the fraud not the politician you want to blame. At least you stopped with the I didnt do it nonsense, anyone in this area knows you are a never ending partisan blamer it is as if you are completely unable to have political discussion and even in this thread you have not discussed anything but blame and complaint and deflection.
Why make a thread about Medicare fraud when you really are not making a thread about Medicare fraud? Just go into your other partisan one sided thread and post more partisan one sided stuff in there. If you really are not at all interested (and you proved this) in a topical discussion, why make the thread?
I want to discuss Medicare fraud not that you dislike Walz, we already know this so beating the lib drum all day long is adding what exactly? The deflect part runs like this, they have massive partisan threads and they talk in them just the same way YOU talk in your partisan thread and if you create a NEW thread with fake NEW content why are you so flustered when a few of us want to TALK ABOUT CONTENT?
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@THEMUGG
No point just that you got miffed a few of us actually wanted to talk about the TOPIC not about the partisan stupid garbage, we wanted to discuss the fraud not the politician you want to blame. At least you stopped with the I didnt do it nonsense, anyone in this area knows you are a never ending partisan blamer it is as if you are completely unable to have political discussion and even in this thread you have not discussed anything but blame and complaint and deflection.
Why make a thread about Medicare fraud when you really are not making a thread about Medicare fraud? Just go into your other partisan one sided thread and post more partisan one sided stuff in there. If you really are not at all interested (and you proved this) in a topical discussion, why make the thread?
I want to discuss Medicare fraud not that you dislike Walz, we already know this so beating the lib drum all day long is adding what exactly? The deflect part runs like this, they have massive partisan threads and they talk in them just the same way YOU talk in your partisan thread and if you create a NEW thread with fake NEW content why are you so flustered when a few of us want to TALK ABOUT CONTENT?
First of all, the only person that appears to be "miffed" here is you.....please stop trying to spin it. 2nd, this wasn't just a Medicare fraud, it was their social services in general......& it has happened under the non-watchful eye of the guy who has gone out of his way to criticize Trump & the right at every turn......a Gov. that, by all reports, was alerted to the malfeasance & turned a blind eye to it. This is the guy that the dems tabbed to be Harris' running mate......the future VP. This is a part of the story. He deserves to have his shit called out. Sorry if that doesn't sit well with you, but sometimes the truth hurts.
"The deflect part runs like this, they have massive partisan threads and they talk in them just the same way YOU talk in your partisan thread and if you create a NEW thread with fake NEW content why are you so flustered when a few of us want to TALK ABOUT CONTENT?"
You just indicted yourself, so to speak. As has been said, over & over, you never go into "their" threads & chastise "them" for not talking about "content" (lol).......& what "fake content" are you referring to here?
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@wallstreetcappers
First of all, the only person that appears to be "miffed" here is you.....please stop trying to spin it. 2nd, this wasn't just a Medicare fraud, it was their social services in general......& it has happened under the non-watchful eye of the guy who has gone out of his way to criticize Trump & the right at every turn......a Gov. that, by all reports, was alerted to the malfeasance & turned a blind eye to it. This is the guy that the dems tabbed to be Harris' running mate......the future VP. This is a part of the story. He deserves to have his shit called out. Sorry if that doesn't sit well with you, but sometimes the truth hurts.
"The deflect part runs like this, they have massive partisan threads and they talk in them just the same way YOU talk in your partisan thread and if you create a NEW thread with fake NEW content why are you so flustered when a few of us want to TALK ABOUT CONTENT?"
You just indicted yourself, so to speak. As has been said, over & over, you never go into "their" threads & chastise "them" for not talking about "content" (lol).......& what "fake content" are you referring to here?
There is a large disconnect with you and this site and forum because you are partisan and dislike the other side who sees things different than you. The issue isnt that we allow partisan threads nor that one has more posts than another nor that one side does not engage with other people. That is not the issue or you and most all here would be banned for the exact principal you are complaining about. If your thesis held any truth you would have been zapped long ago as you are probably the most partisan poster in this area so given your view on how things work you would be long gone. That is NOT the case and we allow both sides to be partisan and have their own threads for that purpose.
Where you go wrong and where your cohort go wrong is connecting politics with the rules that exist with the site, so when you complain about Trump being blasted and how some people post a ton and that they are democrat this is not breaking the rules and we allow it to exist inside the rules. Same goes for the never ending other side blasting Obama in absurd abusive ways, blasting Biden in absurd abusive ways, this has been allowed and that is not why members get banned or boxed OR that threads get moved. You are so fixated on partisan narratives that this is the only way you see things and you only participate for the most part in partisan narratives. In this very thread you preface the purpose for fraud and yet you do not discuss fraud, I am not sure why you didnt just make another partisan swipe in your partisan thread since that is your admitted purpose that you were mad that a DEM state, that Walz was not being hunted by the media that abuses he was involved with are not covered...that was your entire reason for the thread. Why make a new thread with content in which you do not discuss? What value does making another partisan thread add when you have another partisan thread to keep posting your usual partisan retread comments?
The reason people get boxed, threads get moved members get banned are due to the rules of the site because if your partisan thesis was accurate you would be long long gone as would several others and probably most here. Compare the actions of all here inside the boundaries of the rules not what party they belong to or how strongly they dislike a politician. We dont really care if you love Trump or dislike him if you dislike Biden and Obama and love Bush and Reagan, that is not material at all. What is material is member to member infractions, making references in a sexist or homophobic manner in general but for sure making personal attacks or stalking or trolling or baiting or intentionally fighting with members...these are examples and there are others were actions are taken.
I understand why you and several others refuse to understand the above it is because one group are massive rule breakers and the other are not as to the site...so you cannot come to terms with this and have to shovel crap by labeling things in a partisan manner so you will probably never get it and neither will several others and many banned members.
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@THEMUGG
There is a large disconnect with you and this site and forum because you are partisan and dislike the other side who sees things different than you. The issue isnt that we allow partisan threads nor that one has more posts than another nor that one side does not engage with other people. That is not the issue or you and most all here would be banned for the exact principal you are complaining about. If your thesis held any truth you would have been zapped long ago as you are probably the most partisan poster in this area so given your view on how things work you would be long gone. That is NOT the case and we allow both sides to be partisan and have their own threads for that purpose.
Where you go wrong and where your cohort go wrong is connecting politics with the rules that exist with the site, so when you complain about Trump being blasted and how some people post a ton and that they are democrat this is not breaking the rules and we allow it to exist inside the rules. Same goes for the never ending other side blasting Obama in absurd abusive ways, blasting Biden in absurd abusive ways, this has been allowed and that is not why members get banned or boxed OR that threads get moved. You are so fixated on partisan narratives that this is the only way you see things and you only participate for the most part in partisan narratives. In this very thread you preface the purpose for fraud and yet you do not discuss fraud, I am not sure why you didnt just make another partisan swipe in your partisan thread since that is your admitted purpose that you were mad that a DEM state, that Walz was not being hunted by the media that abuses he was involved with are not covered...that was your entire reason for the thread. Why make a new thread with content in which you do not discuss? What value does making another partisan thread add when you have another partisan thread to keep posting your usual partisan retread comments?
The reason people get boxed, threads get moved members get banned are due to the rules of the site because if your partisan thesis was accurate you would be long long gone as would several others and probably most here. Compare the actions of all here inside the boundaries of the rules not what party they belong to or how strongly they dislike a politician. We dont really care if you love Trump or dislike him if you dislike Biden and Obama and love Bush and Reagan, that is not material at all. What is material is member to member infractions, making references in a sexist or homophobic manner in general but for sure making personal attacks or stalking or trolling or baiting or intentionally fighting with members...these are examples and there are others were actions are taken.
I understand why you and several others refuse to understand the above it is because one group are massive rule breakers and the other are not as to the site...so you cannot come to terms with this and have to shovel crap by labeling things in a partisan manner so you will probably never get it and neither will several others and many banned members.
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