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remember, Hitler claimed he was in it for the people but he always had a radical agenda behind the scene as we know outlined in his book Mein Kempf which he spells it out for people in black and white. The fact that Trump is flipflopping should be a warning to everyone. 

The comparison is beyond disturbing, not to mention foolish and ignorant.

I'm not a Trump supporter, nor apologist, but the hyperbolic rhetoric which liberals paint with is more shameful than anything that has come out of Trump's mouth, and that is not easy to do 
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So you took an objective look at HRC's actions, and came to the conclusion she is "good"

Wow.

What about all the money that poured into her foundation as a result of "pay for play"?

I could go on and on and on and on, but I will simply end any potential discourse with you by saying, we will agree to disagree 

As good 'as'...........read what I said and also, prove me wrong with some intelligent rebuttal for your position. Give me some facts, convince me because I always am 'Switzerland' before most elections and let the evidence guide me in the right direction. The fact that the Rebubs stalled the Senate and Congress for 5-7 years after Obama got elected hurting the middle class citizens from getting jobs, raises from advancing businesses told me everything of how the 'right' was now thinking ....it was all about their agenda of stealing from the system as much as they could get and not allowing others who didnt think like them to suffer....well, that is not being American or Republican in the original sense so count me out of the party until we get a sensible person leading its cause...and aligning with Trump because you are Republican  for life is blind.....and his bus will take you over the cliff with you in it...GL
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So you took an objective look at HRC's actions, and came to the conclusion she is "good"

Wow.

What about all the money that poured into her foundation as a result of "pay for play"?


I could go on and on and on and on, but I will simply end any potential discourse with you by saying, we will agree to disagree 

One more thing, at least we can see some 'semi-transparency' from Clintons dealings but you can't deny that Trump is hiding very pertinent info for all Americans to judge fairly before this election on his tax returns.....as well as....him denying that he screws other people, hires Latinos at below market wages in his businessess and lets society pay for his failings.....nice right winger wouldn't you say......everything in the closest, lied about and denied about. If you like that, and many Repubs act like this in their lives, deny, lie and cheat, well, then you should stay with your party and be faithful but not me any more because it is not a true conservativism or patriotism.....its ME-ism
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The comparison is beyond disturbing, not to mention foolish and ignorant.

I'm not a Trump supporter, nor apologist, but the hyperbolic rhetoric which liberals paint with is more shameful than anything that has come out of Trump's mouth, and that is not easy to do 

I invite you to travel to Nuremburg Germany(coincidently, about 100km due east of where Trumps ancestry is from!!) and go through the Hitler built Nazi rally and  fairgrounds and you will come to the conclusion that the parallels between the two are eerie...but no, you are likely unwilling to gather an informed opinion but rather let the blind (you) be lead by the blind snakeoil salesmen and fascist, Donald Trump.
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If I base Clintons actions as a political lifer and dealings with people, yes, she is as good as any political lifer who has served people across America. So, since Trump has only served himself, she is by far the best choice. Trump is not in this because he had a sudden epiphany you know.....remember, Hitler claimed he was in it for the people but he always had a radical agenda behind the scene as we know outlined in his book Mein Kempf which he spells it out for people in black and white. The fact that Trump is flipflopping should be a warning to everyone. Do I see Hillary with a wicked agenda, NO....and she is the best we have given the choices we have. If the Repubs would have put a likable and sensible candidate who truly wished to  assist America continue to strive in the 21st century, then I would have been in their camp but to regress and scare the world with a dictator-like and unprogressive platform like Trumps, no thank you.  

Still not agree on the first answer, there's one more question had left... Is the DNC transparency?

Also for your first answer, please search on Clinton Foundation and read it on Wikipedia to understand more about politic.
 Moreover, Why Rick Seth got killed? Don't you afraid Julian Assange going to release more information about Clinton? Are you still covering for those?

Otherwise, I think you're ST**PID AS** 
 
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The highlighted line above is laughable....Reagan is rolling in his grave and if you truly are a Republican, and not a communist as evidence by the admittance in the paragraph above, you will wash your mouth out and go see a doctor. A true patriot does not cavort or help the enemy of the state as Donald Trump has, nor does he let his daughter be best friends with his political opponent (yes, Chelsea Clinton) and let her cavort with Putins girlfriend setting up future relations, giving secrets, etc. Your American roots are European as a patriot, not Russian. And Putin wishes to mess up Europe and counter American interests in the middle East  but you have blinders on to recognize this because you think being patriotic is spitting on different people and carrying a gun. Lincoln is rolling in his grave right now looking at you and clapping at me since I was a former Republican but the Bush years truly lost me and showed me that they were in it to help America become a 'lightweight' just like Trump is gonna do if elected......so if you are a Patriot, the only alternative is electing someone who can steer the ship and let citizens determine how America will become great....unless of course you are advocating for a more communist or fascist govt system to come to America with you declaration of admiration for some of the countries you mentioned?
For being so old - you have no idea how the game is played or any sense of history. You can take Reagan and Lincoln - I’ll side with George Washington - Thomas Jefferson - and the Sons of Liberty. Trump wants to put American interests first - and that’s lightweight?  Name a Trump policy will take America over a cliff? All of Trumps policy ideas are pro-American.

Republicans were rejecting Hussein Obama’s policies because the man is a Sunni Muslim - Benedict Arnold. And all of his proposals are bad for all Americans. 'Semi-transparency,' what a joke - talk about wearing blinders. Hillary deleted 30,000 emails, hired the FBI to cover it up, hides the Clinton foundation donors list - filled with enemies of America, and won’t release her Wall Street transcripts.

I am of German decent. I have relatives that were on both sides of the war. You have no clue what you are even talking about. To compare Hitler to Trump shows how childish and naive you are. You leftists have somehow warped strong leadership, American military dominance, American values, preserving the American way of life, family values, moral values, republicanism, nationalism, patriotism, national sovereignty, safety and security, law and order for equating to Nazi fascism. You leftists are sick in the head. If Trump is a Nazi fascist, then all American patriot citizens, Washington, Jefferson, and the Sons of Liberty were all Nazi fascists. You leftists are naive children.

I can’t believe what I’m reading. You just said, “A true patriot does not cavort or help the enemy of the state.” That’s hilarious considering Hillary IS cavorting and helping the enemies of the United States of America. Hillary has taken money from people with ties to Iran (America’s biggest enemy). She’s taken over 10 billion from Sharia Law - Saudi Arabia (Everything Sharia is anti-American). She’s a communist disciple of Saul Alinsky (America has been at war with communism for years). You want to talk friends. Chelsea Clinton and Putins girlfriend are friends with Ivanka Trump and this matters? What the fukk is this? TMZ  OK. I call Bullsh1t! No way you’re above 21.

OK - kid. Let’s talk about Hillary’s friends.  “Today our country has lost a true American original, my friend and mentor Robert C. Byrd.” You see Robert C. Byrd was a prominent member and leader of the K-K-K. Hillary’s adviser is a member of the Muslim Sisterhood, a female offshoot of the Nazi Muslim inspired terrorist organization the Muslim Brotherhood. Hillary Clinton also employed Al-Qaeda members as Secretary of State. Trump is nothing but a Pro-American patriot and profit mongering capitalist.

"Do I see Hillary with a wicked agenda, NO....and she is the best we have given the choices we have." You can’t be serious. Hillary is an anti-American - Bildeburg Group globalist - communist - Muslim terrorist sympathizer in bed with all of America’s enemies.

 
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One more thing, at least we can see some 'semi-transparency' from Clintons dealings but you can't deny that Trump is hiding very pertinent info for all Americans to judge fairly before this election on his tax returns.....as well as....him denying that he screws other people, hires Latinos at below market wages in his businessess and lets society pay for his failings.....nice right winger wouldn't you say......everything in the closest, lied about and denied about. If you like that, and many Repubs act like this in their lives, deny, lie and cheat, well, then you should stay with your party and be faithful but not me any more because it is not a true conservativism or patriotism.....its ME-ism

The scary part of what you just wrote is the idea that you actually believe it.

You are too blind to see, and I'm not a miracle worker, thus any discussion between us is moot.

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I invite you to travel to Nuremburg Germany(coincidently, about 100km due east of where Trumps ancestry is from!!) and go through the Hitler built Nazi rally and  fairgrounds and you will come to the conclusion that the parallels between the two are eerie...but no, you are likely unwilling to gather an informed opinion but rather let the blind (you) be lead by the blind snakeoil salesmen and fascist, Donald Trump.


Yes, you are so right, Last2Thirst!

I remember when I went to Germany years ago, and also visited many of the obscure Nazi oratory sites, coffee shops, movie theatres, ratskellers, speaking pits, and other commonplace NSDAP hangouts.

Now that I think about it, I too have come to the conclusion that Donald Trump wants to lead the United States into a catastrophic global inferno and exterminate over 6 million people.  I mean, have you seen his latest book, "Crippled America?"  I couldn't read more than three pages until I immediately thought, "This is basically a plagiarized Mein Kampf! Holy crap!"

I will spare you all the details, but I have spent over 30 years researching and studying the Third Reich on a weekly basis.  However, I won;t spare you with the fact that you have never read Mein Kampf, which you referenced earlier, and are basing your "rock-soild Trump-is-Hitler" opinion on a tourist visit to a few sites and whatever you ears pick up from bulleted talking points.

There is nothing wrong with not liking Trump or even distrusting him, but please have some self-respect and stop embarrassing yourself with this ridiculous "Hitler" slant. 
 
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For being so old - you have no idea how the game is played or any sense of history. You can take Reagan and Lincoln - I’ll side with George Washington - Thomas Jefferson - and the Sons of Liberty. Trump wants to put American interests first - and that’s lightweight?  Name a Trump policy will take America over a cliff? All of Trumps policy ideas are pro-American.

Republicans were rejecting Hussein Obama’s policies because the man is a Sunni Muslim - Benedict Arnold. And all of his proposals are bad for all Americans. 'Semi-transparency,' what a joke - talk about wearing blinders. Hillary deleted 30,000 emails, hired the FBI to cover it up, hides the Clinton foundation donors list - filled with enemies of America, and won’t release her Wall Street transcripts.

I am of German decent. I have relatives that were on both sides of the war. You have no clue what you are even talking about. To compare Hitler to Trump shows how childish and naive you are. You leftists have somehow warped strong leadership, American military dominance, American values, preserving the American way of life, family values, moral values, republicanism, nationalism, patriotism, national sovereignty, safety and security, law and order for equating to Nazi fascism. You leftists are sick in the head. If Trump is a Nazi fascist, then all American patriot citizens, Washington, Jefferson, and the Sons of Liberty were all Nazi fascists. You leftists are naive children.

I can’t believe what I’m reading. You just said, “A true patriot does not cavort or help the enemy of the state.” That’s hilarious considering Hillary IS cavorting and helping the enemies of the United States of America. Hillary has taken money from people with ties to Iran (America’s biggest enemy). She’s taken over 10 billion from Sharia Law - Saudi Arabia (Everything Sharia is anti-American). She’s a communist disciple of Saul Alinsky (America has been at war with communism for years). You want to talk friends. Chelsea Clinton and Putins girlfriend are friends with Ivanka Trump and this matters? What the fukk is this? TMZ  OK. I call Bullsh1t! No way you’re above 21.

OK - kid. Let’s talk about Hillary’s friends.  “Today our country has lost a true American original, my friend and mentor Robert C. Byrd.” You see Robert C. Byrd was a prominent member and leader of the K-K-K. Hillary’s adviser is a member of the Muslim Sisterhood, a female offshoot of the Nazi Muslim inspired terrorist organization the Muslim Brotherhood. Hillary Clinton also employed Al-Qaeda members as Secretary of State. Trump is nothing but a Pro-American patriot and profit mongering capitalist.

"Do I see Hillary with a wicked agenda, NO....and she is the best we have given the choices we have." You can’t be serious. Hillary is an anti-American - Bildeburg Group globalist - communist - Muslim terrorist sympathizer in bed with all of America’s enemies.


Can't grow your GDP, increase jobs with a growing popn if you close your borders to trade and protect American jobs solely on that basis....trade is give and take and Trump wants it one-sided so the slow rot like you have in the South of the U.S. will cover ALL of the U.S. as a result...eventually....thats your first piece of evidence. Digest what I said and re-but away...intelligently plz
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For being so old - you have no idea how the game is played or any sense of history. You can take Reagan and Lincoln - I’ll side with George Washington - Thomas Jefferson - and the Sons of Liberty. Trump wants to put American interests first - and that’s lightweight?  Name a Trump policy will take America over a cliff? All of Trumps policy ideas are pro-American.

Republicans were rejecting Hussein Obama’s policies because the man is a Sunni Muslim - Benedict Arnold. And all of his proposals are bad for all Americans. 'Semi-transparency,' what a joke - talk about wearing blinders. Hillary deleted 30,000 emails, hired the FBI to cover it up, hides the Clinton foundation donors list - filled with enemies of America, and won’t release her Wall Street transcripts.

I am of German decent. I have relatives that were on both sides of the war. You have no clue what you are even talking about. To compare Hitler to Trump shows how childish and naive you are. You leftists have somehow warped strong leadership, American military dominance, American values, preserving the American way of life, family values, moral values, republicanism, nationalism, patriotism, national sovereignty, safety and security, law and order for equating to Nazi fascism. You leftists are sick in the head. If Trump is a Nazi fascist, then all American patriot citizens, Washington, Jefferson, and the Sons of Liberty were all Nazi fascists. You leftists are naive children.

I can’t believe what I’m reading. You just said, “A true patriot does not cavort or help the enemy of the state.” That’s hilarious considering Hillary IS cavorting and helping the enemies of the United States of America. Hillary has taken money from people with ties to Iran (America’s biggest enemy). She’s taken over 10 billion from Sharia Law - Saudi Arabia (Everything Sharia is anti-American). She’s a communist disciple of Saul Alinsky (America has been at war with communism for years). You want to talk friends. Chelsea Clinton and Putins girlfriend are friends with Ivanka Trump and this matters? What the fukk is this? TMZ  OK. I call Bullsh1t! No way you’re above 21.

OK - kid. Let’s talk about Hillary’s friends.  “Today our country has lost a true American original, my friend and mentor Robert C. Byrd.” You see Robert C. Byrd was a prominent member and leader of the K-K-K. Hillary’s adviser is a member of the Muslim Sisterhood, a female offshoot of the Nazi Muslim inspired terrorist organization the Muslim Brotherhood. Hillary Clinton also employed Al-Qaeda members as Secretary of State. Trump is nothing but a Pro-American patriot and profit mongering capitalist.

"Do I see Hillary with a wicked agenda, NO....and she is the best we have given the choices we have." You can’t be serious. Hillary is an anti-American - Bildeburg Group globalist - communist - Muslim terrorist sympathizer in bed with all of America’s enemies.


One more thing....the fact you call bullzzzchit.....tells me you won't research and just throw out your opinions.....kind of like sitting around with the good ole boys and see if you can fool em with your confident talk....you come across stupid and naive with your patriot b.s. talk.....you German descent muddertruckers are the most arrogant self indulgant people when you look back.......they are trying to change but I found it was only the older gen that had attitudes like yours.....so dont pull that card because I lived there and in Spain.....not behind some wall of ignorance like you.
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One more thing....the fact you call bullzzzchit.....tells me you won't research and just throw out your opinions.....kind of like sitting around with the good ole boys and see if you can fool em with your confident talk....you come across stupid and naive with your patriot b.s. talk.....you German descent muddertruckers are the most arrogant self indulgant people when you look back.......they are trying to change but I found it was only the older gen that had attitudes like yours.....so dont pull that card because I lived there and in Spain.....not behind some wall of ignorance like you.

Interesting.....just read the end of your comment about the Bildeburg connection......impressive you know that.....then you will know that G.W. Bush's closest ancestry to any leader when he was around was???.........thats right, a commy namely Putin. Ahhh.....you put yourself in a corner on that one. Look it up...I don't have to but I am impressed (can't believe I am saying this) with your knowledge of some 'blueblood' associations/collaborations. Now, do a search of connections with Trump like I did and what you will find is a fascist/Reich connection in his family......born just west of Nuremburg and associations with Nazi dealings which is why the alt-right is seamlessly nicknamed the alt-Reich party/right wingism that Trump is practising....the endgame is get the power through motive no matter what and then look out......
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Yes, you are so right, Last2Thirst!

I remember when I went to Germany years ago, and also visited many of the obscure Nazi oratory sites, coffee shops, movie theatres, ratskellers, speaking pits, and other commonplace NSDAP hangouts.

Now that I think about it, I too have come to the conclusion that Donald Trump wants to lead the United States into a catastrophic global inferno and exterminate over 6 million people.  I mean, have you seen his latest book, "Crippled America?"  I couldn't read more than three pages until I immediately thought, "This is basically a plagiarized Mein Kampf! Holy crap!"

I will spare you all the details, but I have spent over 30 years researching and studying the Third Reich on a weekly basis.  However, I won;t spare you with the fact that you have never read Mein Kampf, which you referenced earlier, and are basing your "rock-soild Trump-is-Hitler" opinion on a tourist visit to a few sites and whatever you ears pick up from bulleted talking points.

There is nothing wrong with not liking Trump or even distrusting him, but please have some self-respect and stop embarrassing yourself with this ridiculous "Hitler" slant. 

They say that good people can never finish it....Mein Kempf.... the fact you read it....was obsessed with Nazism/history speaks volumes that you are engaging with me and others.....yet deny that there are at least SOME parallels with how he talks about people and the TARGETING he does......you are a chip off of the old block and I can tell you dont like people who oppose you or your views which also shows me your weakness.....and obvious Reich-like persona....grew up with my much older bro in the Hells Angels...he's a democrat now because he knows that he roamed with rats before.....I guess you have to figure that out yourself and I couldnt care less...
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Hitler isn't like Trump, Hitler rose to power after WW1, Germany was left in shambles.  He was a charismatic gifted orator. Trump has no way of claiming that. He kept the 
Logic simple, tell a lie tell it often enough and keep it simple.
And after a times . people will believe it, Hitler's lie, " You are poor suffering and starving because the person took your money and led Germany to war. Not the Kaiser attacked France but it was soon the person fault. Hitler read me in kemp by natre he also applied to art school. But his rise to power was done in a lawless failed state like lybia or Iraq is today. Trumps German heritage doesn't make him Hitler Adolf was Austrian.
Jihadi John could of been compared to Hitler. Before a predator drone destroyed the car he was getting into.
Trump met with the president of .Mexico. Why because the man invited him to meet with him and Trump went to Mexico to see him. Is he going to build a wall yes. If elected he is going to construct a wall between us and Mexico and we need one. Is he going to deport career criminals here illegally YES. He is going to send them back from where ever they c
 
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Person =Hebrew,  Trump has been crass he has told a narrative of families affected by illegal aliens. He has families of every color going to speaking engagements and telling you their story of dispare.
57% of American find Hillary untrustworthy . she has no neg press, 
 
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They say that good people can never finish it....Mein Kempf.... the fact you read it....was obsessed with Nazism/history speaks volumes that you are engaging with me and others.....yet deny that there are at least SOME parallels with how he talks about people and the TARGETING he does......you are a chip off of the old block and I can tell you dont like people who oppose you or your views which also shows me your weakness.....and obvious Reich-like persona....grew up with my much older bro in the Hells Angels...he's a democrat now because he knows that he roamed with rats before.....I guess you have to figure that out yourself and I couldnt care less...


Of course there are parallels.  There are always parallels.  But see, this is what separates the layman on the street from the historiographer: the ability to understand historical correlation in proper context.

The average person on the street sees or hears about history and then shoehorns what they've seen or heard into their set worldview.  While this is done in order for them to better process what they've learned, from a historigraphical point-of-view, it has a massive probability of warping the truth tremendously.  This is the process that you have done, you mentioning your life with you brother and his experiences in direct proof of this process at work. 

For example, do you know that we had a president who confiscated all gold from private American civilians for the "sake of the fatherland?"  Do you know that we had a president that manipulated the highest court in the land until his actions were struck down?  Do you know that we also had a president that had the government build concentration camps and then sent the Army out to round up people of an ethnicity he disliked, confiscated their property, businesses, and bank accounts, and then had the Army ship them to the concentration camps?

Does this American president sound like Hitler to you? 

It should.  Because Hitler did the exact same things.

Of course, the president was Franklin Roosevelt.  But was Roosevelt an American Hitler?  Of course not.

How do we know that he wasn't?  By putting the history into its proper context, that's how it can be correctly adjudicated.

I will let you go through those three things I listed and think about, even though they are exactly the same things, why historians judge the man who did them much, much differently.

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Hitler isn't like Trump, Hitler rose to power after WW1, Germany was left in shambles.  He was a charismatic gifted orator. Trump has no way of claiming that. He kept the 
Logic simple, tell a lie tell it often enough and keep it simple.
And after a times . people will believe it, Hitler's lie, " You are poor suffering and starving because the person took your money and led Germany to war. Not the Kaiser attacked France but it was soon the person fault. Hitler read me in kemp by natre he also applied to art school. But his rise to power was done in a lawless failed state like lybia or Iraq is today. Trumps German heritage doesn't make him Hitler Adolf was Austrian.
Jihadi John could of been compared to Hitler. Before a predator drone destroyed the car he was getting into.
Trump met with the president of .Mexico. Why because the man invited him to meet with him and Trump went to Mexico to see him. Is he going to build a wall yes. If elected he is going to construct a wall between us and Mexico and we need one. Is he going to deport career criminals here illegally YES. He is going to send them back from where ever they c


Hitler attained power 100% through legal means.  He could have been stopped by the Social Democrats and Christian Conservatives, but they did have the backbone for it.
 
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Hitler attained power 100% through legal means.  He could have been stopped by the Social Democrats and Christian Conservatives, but they did have the backbone for it.
so murdering S.A. operatives and empowering SS operatives was legal? In 1927 1928 ? No.... He obtained power by surrounding himself with a very tight circle of friends. His rise was with the German people. They were broken by ww1 starving while victors feasted on the roaring twenties. They were industrious and with Hitler movement gave them pride. Wor
 
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Those are some interesting very clear parallels with Roosevelt and hilter tho.  Just like the very interesting very clear parallels with trump and hilter.    Not exactly the same, but the comparisons can be made. 

Seems like you are both right and the comparison with Roosevelt and hitler seems valid just like the comparison with trump and hilter seem valid.  

Glad that the this convo as legitimized the comparisons between trump and hilter using interesting parallels and not saying they are exactly the same but that there are similarities we can have civilized discussions about. 

Much better than taking an emotional stance and being so extremely offended that hitler is even brought up that logical analysis of parallels can't even happen and reducing the conversation to arguing whether we should even be able to talk about it. 

This could be out of fear, maybe bias, maybe it's just and emotional inability to have a civil dialog to begin with.  But I think through an intelligent and civil dialog we can at least have the discussion. Censorship and fear of a dialog result in a net loss and an overall dumbing effect.  Perhaps this is the agenda of some, maybe they do it unknowingly. 

But I like that you guys at least made compariins and elevated the conversion to talking about parallels rather than trying to censor it
 
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so murdering S.A. operatives and empowering SS operatives was legal? In 1927 1928 ? No.... He obtained power by surrounding himself with a very tight circle of friends. His rise was with the German people. They were broken by ww1 starving while victors feasted on the roaring twenties. They were industrious and with Hitler movement gave them pride. Wor


You are talking about a different topic.  I am not talking about the inner party rivalries between the SA and SS nor the constant street fighting between the Freikorps and Communists during the Weimar Republic not the actions of the Stahlheim.

Yes, the Weimar Republic was very shaky from its very beginnings and had many difficulties surrounding it due to the limitations of the Treaty of Versailles, and later, the Great Depression.  However, Weimar Republic was not lawless, far from it.  Nor was it a failed state.

Not properly deducing that or making that distinction detracts from the argument of Hitler's rise to power. 
 
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Those are some interesting very clear parallels with Roosevelt and hilter tho.  Just like the very interesting very clear parallels with trump and hilter.    Not exactly the same, but the comparisons can be made. 

Seems like you are both right and the comparison with Roosevelt and hitler seems valid just like the comparison with trump and hilter seem valid.  

Glad that the this convo as legitimized the comparisons between trump and hilter using interesting parallels and not saying they are exactly the same but that there are similarities we can have civilized discussions about. 

Much better than taking an emotional stance and being so extremely offended that hitler is even brought up that logical analysis of parallels can't even happen and reducing the conversation to arguing whether we should even be able to talk about it. 

This could be out of fear, maybe bias, maybe it's just and emotional inability to have a civil dialog to begin with.  But I think through an intelligent and civil dialog we can at least have the discussion. Censorship and fear of a dialog result in a net loss and an overall dumbing effect.  Perhaps this is the agenda of some, maybe they do it unknowingly. 

But I like that you guys at least made compariins and elevated the conversion to talking about parallels rather than trying to censor it




The gist of my point in that point was, of course parallels can be made with anything.  You can find parallels between you and Hitler!  Do you care about animals?  Are you concerned about the environment?  Do you support President Obama's social programs and Obamacare?

You are Hitler!!!!!

No, of course you are not.  But parallels between you and Hitler, everyone and Hitler, everyone and anyone exist.

The work comes in through properly understanding history and its correct contextual light in order to truthfully understand what occurred and its effect on our world.

For example, if I say that I just shot a man in the chest tonight and he died.  What would you think of me?  Murderer?  Heartless?  Criminal?  Madman?

Probably.

But what if I said that I did that as he was attacking my family with a knife?

Oops.

And therein lies the crux of my post's argument.  Without proper, and correct, historical analysis through context, parallels of any kind are worthless.


 
 
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Define a "failed state" ,treaty of Versailles and Hitlers service in the then Kaiser army. The fear of want of food the devastation of Germany and the complete ignorance of the need of league of nations all led to the rise of the third Reich .
By rebuilding Germany and the institution of the United nations and the reconstruction act delivered by Truman has led to peace in Europe an achievement that then was scoffed at by dewey supporters.

People throw out names like Hitler or Stalin like it calling them bad men. Its so far worse then bad . systematic extermination of humans to the scale of those two actors is far beyond any leader today grasp within the known free world. 
On celebrity apprentice last show I ever will watch of that series was Annie Duke and Joan Rivers in a board room meeting. Joan stated "... Your worse than Hitler" to Annie Duke I like poker and Duke and Harmon are both easy on the eyes to me duke was fired Trumps call its his show but Joan lost a ton of respect in many circles due to that comment. To many people devil himself is no worse than Hitler. 


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