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    I_Need_A_Detox
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2017 - 6:19 PM ET #76

    I was getting my population numbers here. 

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/183489/population-of-the-us-by-ethnicity-since-2000/

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    I was getting my population numbers here. 

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/183489/population-of-the-us-by-ethnicity-since-2000/

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2017 - 6:24 PM ET #77

    KeyElement, how was “my slant” that far fewer black babies was a good idea? What did I say to make you think that? Copy and paste something I said. 

    Thank you. 

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    KeyElement, how was “my slant” that far fewer black babies was a good idea? What did I say to make you think that? Copy and paste something I said. 

    Thank you. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2017 - 6:36 PM ET #78

    21.3 Percent of U.S. Population Participates in Government Assistance Programs Each Month

    #MAGA

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    21.3 Percent of U.S. Population Participates in Government Assistance Programs Each Month

    #MAGA

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2017 - 6:39 PM ET #79

    What point were you trying to make? 

    Did I embarrass you? 

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    What point were you trying to make? 

    Did I embarrass you? 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2017 - 6:42 PM ET #80

    When Obama took office, 32 million Americans received food stamps. When Obama left office 43.6 million Americans received food stamps. 

    Hope and change. 

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    When Obama took office, 32 million Americans received food stamps. When Obama left office 43.6 million Americans received food stamps. 

    Hope and change. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2017 - 10:11 PM ET #81

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    248.5 million white people - 35 million receive assistance 

    42 million black people - 20 million receive assistance 

    56 million Hispanics - 25 million receive assistance 

    14% of white people receive assistance 
    45% of Hispanics receive assistance 
    48% of black people receive assistance 

    So, darkhorse12, what point were you trying to make? 



    5th grade math wins that argument every time. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    248.5 million white people - 35 million receive assistance 

    42 million black people - 20 million receive assistance 

    56 million Hispanics - 25 million receive assistance 

    14% of white people receive assistance 
    45% of Hispanics receive assistance 
    48% of black people receive assistance 

    So, darkhorse12, what point were you trying to make? 



    5th grade math wins that argument every time. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2017 - 1:59 PM ET #82

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    What point were you trying to make? 

    Did I embarrass you? 


    No I'm not your dad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    What point were you trying to make? 

    Did I embarrass you? 


    No I'm not your dad.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2017 - 6:08 PM ET #83

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    When Obama took office, 3 million Americans received food stamps. When Obama left office 43.6 million Americans received food stamps. 

    Hope and change. 

    That is a PERFECT example of putting your on twist on things. It was Obama, not the Swede, that inherited a mess. Obama inherited the Bush recession, remember? Things got a lot worse before they got better, but they did, and now the Swede is trying to steal the credit. I can't even count the stars you've earned anymore.

    Consult Mark Cuban's assessment of the great stock market claims the Swede is claiming. It is all Chinese gains. Chinese jobs. Chinese profit. Chinese ownership of your sorry azz. And the Swede is not a coalition builder. He insults and abandons those that could help us. 

    Here he is today again denying the Billy Bush tapes and returning to the birther issue. Don't you ever get sick of the B.S. coming out of the White House? Aren't you sick of the Swede making Twitter the greatest source of FAKE NEWS with just his posts? 
    Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    When Obama took office, 3 million Americans received food stamps. When Obama left office 43.6 million Americans received food stamps. 

    Hope and change. 

    That is a PERFECT example of putting your on twist on things. It was Obama, not the Swede, that inherited a mess. Obama inherited the Bush recession, remember? Things got a lot worse before they got better, but they did, and now the Swede is trying to steal the credit. I can't even count the stars you've earned anymore.

    Consult Mark Cuban's assessment of the great stock market claims the Swede is claiming. It is all Chinese gains. Chinese jobs. Chinese profit. Chinese ownership of your sorry azz. And the Swede is not a coalition builder. He insults and abandons those that could help us. 

    Here he is today again denying the Billy Bush tapes and returning to the birther issue. Don't you ever get sick of the B.S. coming out of the White House? Aren't you sick of the Swede making Twitter the greatest source of FAKE NEWS with just his posts? 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2017 - 7:11 PM ET #84

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    That is a PERFECT example of putting your on twist on things. It was Obama, not the Swede, that inherited a mess. Obama inherited the Bush recession, remember? Things got a lot worse before they got better, but they did, and now the Swede is trying to steal the credit. I can't even count the stars you've earned anymore.

    Consult Mark Cuban's assessment of the great stock market claims the Swede is claiming. It is all Chinese gains. Chinese jobs. Chinese profit. Chinese ownership of your sorry azz. And the Swede is not a coalition builder. He insults and abandons those that could help us. 

    Here he is today again denying the Billy Bush tapes and returning to the birther issue. Don't you ever get sick of the B.S. coming out of the White House? Aren't you sick of the Swede making Twitter the greatest source of FAKE NEWS with just his posts? 

    So anything positive happening now in the stock market China gets credit for?
    It is "all Chinese gains"?
    Less governmental oversight on business means nothing?
    Lower taxes on corporations means nothing?

    Interesting perspective.

    And if things were bad when Obama took office ... he was in office for 8 years ... is it still Bush's fault that people receiving food stamps went from 3 million to 43 million by the time Obama's terms were up? (I'm using Detox's numbers, I have no idea if they are accurate)

    I'm not a Trump supporter ... particularly of his tweets ... but the constant assault on all things Trump is beyond absurd. 

    bigreds daddy
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    That is a PERFECT example of putting your on twist on things. It was Obama, not the Swede, that inherited a mess. Obama inherited the Bush recession, remember? Things got a lot worse before they got better, but they did, and now the Swede is trying to steal the credit. I can't even count the stars you've earned anymore.

    Consult Mark Cuban's assessment of the great stock market claims the Swede is claiming. It is all Chinese gains. Chinese jobs. Chinese profit. Chinese ownership of your sorry azz. And the Swede is not a coalition builder. He insults and abandons those that could help us. 

    Here he is today again denying the Billy Bush tapes and returning to the birther issue. Don't you ever get sick of the B.S. coming out of the White House? Aren't you sick of the Swede making Twitter the greatest source of FAKE NEWS with just his posts? 

    So anything positive happening now in the stock market China gets credit for?
    It is "all Chinese gains"?
    Less governmental oversight on business means nothing?
    Lower taxes on corporations means nothing?

    Interesting perspective.

    And if things were bad when Obama took office ... he was in office for 8 years ... is it still Bush's fault that people receiving food stamps went from 3 million to 43 million by the time Obama's terms were up? (I'm using Detox's numbers, I have no idea if they are accurate)

    I'm not a Trump supporter ... particularly of his tweets ... but the constant assault on all things Trump is beyond absurd. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2017 - 9:57 PM ET #85

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

    ... is it still Bush's fault that people receiving food stamps went from 32 million to 43 million by the time Obama's terms were up?

    According to factcheck.org, Bush is partly responsible for more people receiving food stamps because of changes made in food stamp program.  Besides, recession has long term effects that linger after it ends.  There is time lag between time of recession and when people start to apply for benefits.  Under Bush, the number of Americans getting food stamps grew by 14.7 million or 85% compared with 10.7 million or 33% gain under Obama.  So enrollment grew less under Obama.  Other improvements include lower unemployment rate, lower poverty rate, higher corporate profits and highest median household income ever recorded.

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

    ... is it still Bush's fault that people receiving food stamps went from 32 million to 43 million by the time Obama's terms were up?

    According to factcheck.org, Bush is partly responsible for more people receiving food stamps because of changes made in food stamp program.  Besides, recession has long term effects that linger after it ends.  There is time lag between time of recession and when people start to apply for benefits.  Under Bush, the number of Americans getting food stamps grew by 14.7 million or 85% compared with 10.7 million or 33% gain under Obama.  So enrollment grew less under Obama.  Other improvements include lower unemployment rate, lower poverty rate, higher corporate profits and highest median household income ever recorded.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2017 - 7:24 AM ET #86

    The point I should have made more clearly and the voters need to accept is that ALL presidents, either party, inherit things that will immediately effect their first term, and, on a decreasing scale, the balance of their term. To either credit or discredit the effects of their first year is normally inaccurate as so much is built in that cannot be immediately changed. On the one hand, Trump wants to take credit for a market that was already expanding, and job growth that was increasing, before he took office. On the other hand, he wants to claim "we inherited a mess". That is totally unfair without without a hard look at the mess Obama inherited.  And, Obama inherited a totally vicious Congress that swore all Republican votes against him from the night of the election, much less the day of the inauguration. One thing that has disappeared in the transition to partisan politics and works to noone's benefit is the "first hundred day grace period" in which Congress used to listen to the guy and try to determine where he was going, so that better judgment could be made regarding how much or how little support he would get. Partisan politics has resulted in an immediate NO, No, No from the party out of the White House without a fair judgment or the input from home the Congress persons should be listening to. 

    The Obamacare repeal is a prime example. What Trump failed to see was that many Republican congress persons were from districts where Obamacare was a great help. Republicans that win in depressed districts are lucky in the first place and those are the districts that could not afford to ;lose a significant portion of their health care funding. 

    They had to go to "the nuclear option" to get Gorsuch on the Supreme Court with a simple majority instead of the usual two-thirds. The Tax Reform Plan was just another form of rich guy's welfare, and could not garner any Democratic support. It is a killer to the poor and middle class. (BTW, I am all in favor of the corporate cuts but that is another subject for another day.).
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    It is partisan politics, with no ability on either side to build coalitions, that is the worst thing about Washington today, and the Covers Political Forum is a prime example. In here you either have to hail Trump as a hero before he has accomplished anything significant, or write him off as a deranged idiot in charge of a corrupt, incompetent, amateur, adult day care facility. 

    There is almost no give-and-take attitude here. It is as partisan as Washington has become. No good news-bad news assessments of anything (like mine on the Tax Reform package), and everyone is accused of being a member of one party or the other and preferring straight party line votes, as opposed to coalition building and consensus on what is best for the country. ALL of us. 330 million people, not my segment or yours.

    The last two president's I have deep respect for (politically, not morally) are Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton. The last two Senators are Ted Kennedy and John McCain. Why? All were coalition builders that got things done, usually with bi-partisan support and public acceptance. All have their haters, and of course McCain got stuck with the "Rhino" label, but; those four men could cross the aisle, have a purpose driven cup of coffee, and work out solutions that got close to pleasing everyone.      
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    The point I should have made more clearly and the voters need to accept is that ALL presidents, either party, inherit things that will immediately effect their first term, and, on a decreasing scale, the balance of their term. To either credit or discredit the effects of their first year is normally inaccurate as so much is built in that cannot be immediately changed. On the one hand, Trump wants to take credit for a market that was already expanding, and job growth that was increasing, before he took office. On the other hand, he wants to claim "we inherited a mess". That is totally unfair without without a hard look at the mess Obama inherited.  And, Obama inherited a totally vicious Congress that swore all Republican votes against him from the night of the election, much less the day of the inauguration. One thing that has disappeared in the transition to partisan politics and works to noone's benefit is the "first hundred day grace period" in which Congress used to listen to the guy and try to determine where he was going, so that better judgment could be made regarding how much or how little support he would get. Partisan politics has resulted in an immediate NO, No, No from the party out of the White House without a fair judgment or the input from home the Congress persons should be listening to. 

    The Obamacare repeal is a prime example. What Trump failed to see was that many Republican congress persons were from districts where Obamacare was a great help. Republicans that win in depressed districts are lucky in the first place and those are the districts that could not afford to ;lose a significant portion of their health care funding. 

    They had to go to "the nuclear option" to get Gorsuch on the Supreme Court with a simple majority instead of the usual two-thirds. The Tax Reform Plan was just another form of rich guy's welfare, and could not garner any Democratic support. It is a killer to the poor and middle class. (BTW, I am all in favor of the corporate cuts but that is another subject for another day.).
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    It is partisan politics, with no ability on either side to build coalitions, that is the worst thing about Washington today, and the Covers Political Forum is a prime example. In here you either have to hail Trump as a hero before he has accomplished anything significant, or write him off as a deranged idiot in charge of a corrupt, incompetent, amateur, adult day care facility. 

    There is almost no give-and-take attitude here. It is as partisan as Washington has become. No good news-bad news assessments of anything (like mine on the Tax Reform package), and everyone is accused of being a member of one party or the other and preferring straight party line votes, as opposed to coalition building and consensus on what is best for the country. ALL of us. 330 million people, not my segment or yours.

    The last two president's I have deep respect for (politically, not morally) are Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton. The last two Senators are Ted Kennedy and John McCain. Why? All were coalition builders that got things done, usually with bi-partisan support and public acceptance. All have their haters, and of course McCain got stuck with the "Rhino" label, but; those four men could cross the aisle, have a purpose driven cup of coffee, and work out solutions that got close to pleasing everyone.      
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2017 - 8:24 AM ET #87

    Ted Kennedy and John McCain 

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    Ted Kennedy and John McCain 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Ted Kennedy and John McCain
    The only thing I can find to like about you; classically idiot responses to serious subjects that show very clearly how truly stupid you are. Thank you for supplying evermore evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Ted Kennedy and John McCain
    The only thing I can find to like about you; classically idiot responses to serious subjects that show very clearly how truly stupid you are. Thank you for supplying evermore evidence.

    new_tounge_wink

     
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    The point I should have made more clearly and the voters need to accept is that ALL presidents, either party, inherit things that will immediately effect their first term, and, on a decreasing scale, the balance of their term. To either credit or discredit the effects of their first year is normally inaccurate as so much is built in that cannot be immediately changed. On the one hand, Trump wants to take credit for a market that was already expanding, and job growth that was increasing, before he took office. On the other hand, he wants to claim "we inherited a mess". That is totally unfair without without a hard look at the mess Obama inherited.  And, Obama inherited a totally vicious Congress that swore all Republican votes against him from the night of the election, much less the day of the inauguration. One thing that has disappeared in the transition to partisan politics and works to noone's benefit is the "first hundred day grace period" in which Congress used to listen to the guy and try to determine where he was going, so that better judgment could be made regarding how much or how little support he would get. Partisan politics has resulted in an immediate NO, No, No from the party out of the White House without a fair judgment or the input from home the Congress persons should be listening to. 

    The Obamacare repeal is a prime example. What Trump failed to see was that many Republican congress persons were from districts where Obamacare was a great help. Republicans that win in depressed districts are lucky in the first place and those are the districts that could not afford to ;lose a significant portion of their health care funding. 

    They had to go to "the nuclear option" to get Gorsuch on the Supreme Court with a simple majority instead of the usual two-thirds. The Tax Reform Plan was just another form of rich guy's welfare, and could not garner any Democratic support. It is a killer to the poor and middle class. (BTW, I am all in favor of the corporate cuts but that is another subject for another day.).
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    It is partisan politics, with no ability on either side to build coalitions, that is the worst thing about Washington today, and the Covers Political Forum is a prime example. In here you either have to hail Trump as a hero before he has accomplished anything significant, or write him off as a deranged idiot in charge of a corrupt, incompetent, amateur, adult day care facility. 

    There is almost no give-and-take attitude here. It is as partisan as Washington has become. No good news-bad news assessments of anything (like mine on the Tax Reform package), and everyone is accused of being a member of one party or the other and preferring straight party line votes, as opposed to coalition building and consensus on what is best for the country. ALL of us. 330 million people, not my segment or yours.

    The last two president's I have deep respect for (politically, not morally) are Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton. The last two Senators are Ted Kennedy and John McCain. Why? All were coalition builders that got things done, usually with bi-partisan support and public acceptance. All have their haters, and of course McCain got stuck with the "Rhino" label, but; those four men could cross the aisle, have a purpose driven cup of coffee, and work out solutions that got close to pleasing everyone.      

    I agree with much of what you wrote here ... it is just politics as usual.

    Although, any unbiased observer would admit that the current President is having to deal with more political pushback than anyone before him, and it's not close. This has more to do with his personality than his politics.

    What I find to be compelling is that the left is trying so hard to rid the White House of Trump. If they are successful they will then have Pence as POTUS. Pence, who is as conservative as they come, would be their worst nightmare. He has views which the left is 100% opposed to, and he is a good politician, meaning he can get stuff done. 

    As the saying goes ... be careful what you wish for an_popcorn

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    The point I should have made more clearly and the voters need to accept is that ALL presidents, either party, inherit things that will immediately effect their first term, and, on a decreasing scale, the balance of their term. To either credit or discredit the effects of their first year is normally inaccurate as so much is built in that cannot be immediately changed. On the one hand, Trump wants to take credit for a market that was already expanding, and job growth that was increasing, before he took office. On the other hand, he wants to claim "we inherited a mess". That is totally unfair without without a hard look at the mess Obama inherited.  And, Obama inherited a totally vicious Congress that swore all Republican votes against him from the night of the election, much less the day of the inauguration. One thing that has disappeared in the transition to partisan politics and works to noone's benefit is the "first hundred day grace period" in which Congress used to listen to the guy and try to determine where he was going, so that better judgment could be made regarding how much or how little support he would get. Partisan politics has resulted in an immediate NO, No, No from the party out of the White House without a fair judgment or the input from home the Congress persons should be listening to. 

    The Obamacare repeal is a prime example. What Trump failed to see was that many Republican congress persons were from districts where Obamacare was a great help. Republicans that win in depressed districts are lucky in the first place and those are the districts that could not afford to ;lose a significant portion of their health care funding. 

    They had to go to "the nuclear option" to get Gorsuch on the Supreme Court with a simple majority instead of the usual two-thirds. The Tax Reform Plan was just another form of rich guy's welfare, and could not garner any Democratic support. It is a killer to the poor and middle class. (BTW, I am all in favor of the corporate cuts but that is another subject for another day.).
    .
    It is partisan politics, with no ability on either side to build coalitions, that is the worst thing about Washington today, and the Covers Political Forum is a prime example. In here you either have to hail Trump as a hero before he has accomplished anything significant, or write him off as a deranged idiot in charge of a corrupt, incompetent, amateur, adult day care facility. 

    There is almost no give-and-take attitude here. It is as partisan as Washington has become. No good news-bad news assessments of anything (like mine on the Tax Reform package), and everyone is accused of being a member of one party or the other and preferring straight party line votes, as opposed to coalition building and consensus on what is best for the country. ALL of us. 330 million people, not my segment or yours.

    The last two president's I have deep respect for (politically, not morally) are Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton. The last two Senators are Ted Kennedy and John McCain. Why? All were coalition builders that got things done, usually with bi-partisan support and public acceptance. All have their haters, and of course McCain got stuck with the "Rhino" label, but; those four men could cross the aisle, have a purpose driven cup of coffee, and work out solutions that got close to pleasing everyone.      

    I agree with much of what you wrote here ... it is just politics as usual.

    Although, any unbiased observer would admit that the current President is having to deal with more political pushback than anyone before him, and it's not close. This has more to do with his personality than his politics.

    What I find to be compelling is that the left is trying so hard to rid the White House of Trump. If they are successful they will then have Pence as POTUS. Pence, who is as conservative as they come, would be their worst nightmare. He has views which the left is 100% opposed to, and he is a good politician, meaning he can get stuff done. 

    As the saying goes ... be careful what you wish for an_popcorn

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2017 - 8:54 PM ET #92

    There is another possibilty:The man who occupied the Presidency and the boy who went to Punahou School are not the same person.He may very well be an impostor from Indonesia who was sneaked into the USA by the Saudis sometime in the late 80's.

    I too went down the birth certificate trail before realizing that it may have been a red herring all along.

    Columbia is a good place to start.He's not in any yearbook.His major was shared by George Stephanopoulos that year.He claims that he never saw him.In 2007 just after Obama announced his candidacy,the NY Times sent a reporter to Morningside Heights to interview faculty,long time employees,etc. about the memories of him.To a person,no one remembered him.The next year,the paper sent a reporter to the apartment building at which he claimed to have lived when he was going to Columbia.Again,no one remembered him,not even the landlord!!(What is it with Columbia?They had Charles Van Doren and Bob Harris,a local NYC weatherman who claimed that he got a meterology degree from there.I'm beginning to doubt whether Lou Gehrig was ever there)

    Then,there are the other documents,specifically the draft registration application and his Social Security number that have all the earmarks of a created identity.The application has a postal date stamp with only two digits for the year affixed to it rather than the four standard since Ben Franklin.As for the SS Number,it was issued to a man who was born in the 1890's.The card's number also indicated that it was issued to a Connecticut resident,A state in which Obama never claimed to be a resident.A few years ago,laws were pushed through prohibiting the revealing of anyone's draft registration information and to delink geographical location with SS Numbers.I wonder why?

    I believe that Barry Soetoro was murdered on his trip to Pakistan in 1981,being lured there by his muslim roommate at Occidental at the Saudi's behest.Then,the man who was sent here later on was immersed in Americanism before entering Harvard.

    On Aug 4.2011,Obama insisted that he was 52 years old at a press conference,before backing off when reporters told him that he was only 50.He had trouble getting the story straight.A few years later his wife couldn't tell a child how long that she and Barack had been married.What woman doesn't know the answer to that question?

    The Dunham family was bribed/threatened by the Saudis-and possibly even the CIA-to keep silent on the matter for those of you wondering how that can be explained away.

    Trump must know the truth by this time but is wondering how to let it out without having every CVS in the USA on fire.

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    There is another possibilty:The man who occupied the Presidency and the boy who went to Punahou School are not the same person.He may very well be an impostor from Indonesia who was sneaked into the USA by the Saudis sometime in the late 80's.

    I too went down the birth certificate trail before realizing that it may have been a red herring all along.

    Columbia is a good place to start.He's not in any yearbook.His major was shared by George Stephanopoulos that year.He claims that he never saw him.In 2007 just after Obama announced his candidacy,the NY Times sent a reporter to Morningside Heights to interview faculty,long time employees,etc. about the memories of him.To a person,no one remembered him.The next year,the paper sent a reporter to the apartment building at which he claimed to have lived when he was going to Columbia.Again,no one remembered him,not even the landlord!!(What is it with Columbia?They had Charles Van Doren and Bob Harris,a local NYC weatherman who claimed that he got a meterology degree from there.I'm beginning to doubt whether Lou Gehrig was ever there)

    Then,there are the other documents,specifically the draft registration application and his Social Security number that have all the earmarks of a created identity.The application has a postal date stamp with only two digits for the year affixed to it rather than the four standard since Ben Franklin.As for the SS Number,it was issued to a man who was born in the 1890's.The card's number also indicated that it was issued to a Connecticut resident,A state in which Obama never claimed to be a resident.A few years ago,laws were pushed through prohibiting the revealing of anyone's draft registration information and to delink geographical location with SS Numbers.I wonder why?

    I believe that Barry Soetoro was murdered on his trip to Pakistan in 1981,being lured there by his muslim roommate at Occidental at the Saudi's behest.Then,the man who was sent here later on was immersed in Americanism before entering Harvard.

    On Aug 4.2011,Obama insisted that he was 52 years old at a press conference,before backing off when reporters told him that he was only 50.He had trouble getting the story straight.A few years later his wife couldn't tell a child how long that she and Barack had been married.What woman doesn't know the answer to that question?

    The Dunham family was bribed/threatened by the Saudis-and possibly even the CIA-to keep silent on the matter for those of you wondering how that can be explained away.

    Trump must know the truth by this time but is wondering how to let it out without having every CVS in the USA on fire.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 10, 2017 - 9:16 PM ET #93

    If it was an establishment politician in the White House they work across the aisle with the other establishment politicians. That’s why your dumb arse thinks McCain and Kennedy were compromising. They weren’t on different teams, they’re on the same team, The Establishment. 

    Some people have such a low understanding of what’s going on in this country. 

    Sad. 

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    If it was an establishment politician in the White House they work across the aisle with the other establishment politicians. That’s why your dumb arse thinks McCain and Kennedy were compromising. They weren’t on different teams, they’re on the same team, The Establishment. 

    Some people have such a low understanding of what’s going on in this country. 

    Sad. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidGurney:

    Columbia is a good place to start.He's not in any yearbook.His major was shared by George Stephanopoulos that year.He claims that he never saw him. No one remembered him. Then,there are the other documents,specifically the draft registration application and his Social Security number that have all the earmarks of a created identity. A few years ago,laws were pushed through prohibiting the revealing of anyone's draft registration information and to delink geographical location with SS Numbers.I wonder why?

    According to politifact, teacher Michael Baron plus room mates Phil Boerner and Sohale Siddigi remember Obama at Columbia university.  George Stephanopoulos graduated one year before Obama.  So George may not have the same courses as Obama.  Columbia recognizes Obama as an alumnus in press release. In 1983, Columbia magazine published an essay written by Obama.  No records suggest Obama used his childhood alias "Soetoro" while attending Columbia.

    Snopes rated false the claim that Obama stole the social insurance number of a dead man and used it as his own. Claims of forged IDs as evidence in several lawsuits challenging Obama eligibility have been rejected by US supreme court. 

    According to factcheck.org, Obama's draft registration is posted publicly and confirmed by Selective Service.  He is registered in 1980 with numbers 61-1125539-1.

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidGurney:

    Columbia is a good place to start.He's not in any yearbook.His major was shared by George Stephanopoulos that year.He claims that he never saw him. No one remembered him. Then,there are the other documents,specifically the draft registration application and his Social Security number that have all the earmarks of a created identity. A few years ago,laws were pushed through prohibiting the revealing of anyone's draft registration information and to delink geographical location with SS Numbers.I wonder why?

    According to politifact, teacher Michael Baron plus room mates Phil Boerner and Sohale Siddigi remember Obama at Columbia university.  George Stephanopoulos graduated one year before Obama.  So George may not have the same courses as Obama.  Columbia recognizes Obama as an alumnus in press release. In 1983, Columbia magazine published an essay written by Obama.  No records suggest Obama used his childhood alias "Soetoro" while attending Columbia.

    Snopes rated false the claim that Obama stole the social insurance number of a dead man and used it as his own. Claims of forged IDs as evidence in several lawsuits challenging Obama eligibility have been rejected by US supreme court. 

    According to factcheck.org, Obama's draft registration is posted publicly and confirmed by Selective Service.  He is registered in 1980 with numbers 61-1125539-1.

     

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    According to politifact, teacher Michael Baron plus room mates Phil Boerner and Sohale Siddigi remember Obama at Columbia university.  George Stephanopoulos graduated one year before Obama.  So George may not have the same courses as Obama.  Columbia recognizes Obama as an alumnus in press release. In 1983, Columbia magazine published an essay written by Obama.  No records suggest Obama used his childhood alias "Soetoro" while attending Columbia.

    Snopes rated false the claim that Obama stole the social insurance number of a dead man and used it as his own. Claims of forged IDs as evidence in several lawsuits challenging Obama eligibility have been rejected by US supreme court. 

    According to factcheck.org, Obama's draft registration is posted publicly and confirmed by Selective Service.  He is registered in 1980 with numbers 61-1125539-1.



    That article Obama wrote put the blame for the cold war entirely on the United States..  He was always putting down America even back then..


    Sure refreshing having a President that loves America and doesn't constantly condemn and denigrate Her..
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    According to politifact, teacher Michael Baron plus room mates Phil Boerner and Sohale Siddigi remember Obama at Columbia university.  George Stephanopoulos graduated one year before Obama.  So George may not have the same courses as Obama.  Columbia recognizes Obama as an alumnus in press release. In 1983, Columbia magazine published an essay written by Obama.  No records suggest Obama used his childhood alias "Soetoro" while attending Columbia.

    Snopes rated false the claim that Obama stole the social insurance number of a dead man and used it as his own. Claims of forged IDs as evidence in several lawsuits challenging Obama eligibility have been rejected by US supreme court. 

    According to factcheck.org, Obama's draft registration is posted publicly and confirmed by Selective Service.  He is registered in 1980 with numbers 61-1125539-1.



    That article Obama wrote put the blame for the cold war entirely on the United States..  He was always putting down America even back then..


    Sure refreshing having a President that loves America and doesn't constantly condemn and denigrate Her..
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2017 - 10:39 AM ET #96

    Stephanopolous was apart of Clinton’s administration

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    Stephanopolous was apart of Clinton’s administration

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    That article Obama wrote put the blame for the cold war entirely on the United States..  He was always putting down America even back then...
    Actually, the article "breaking the war mentality" doesn't blame the cold war on the United States.  It discuss importance of nuclear disarmament and concern about rift between western europe and US after Reagan administration stalled at Geneva talks on nuclear weapons.  Years later in 1987, US and Soviet union achieved a deal to limit nuclear weapons.  Obama wrote the article at a time when the peace movement was still popular after Vietnam war. Under Obama, US remains the world's top military power spending more than next 6 countries with largest military budgets combined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    That article Obama wrote put the blame for the cold war entirely on the United States..  He was always putting down America even back then...
    Actually, the article "breaking the war mentality" doesn't blame the cold war on the United States.  It discuss importance of nuclear disarmament and concern about rift between western europe and US after Reagan administration stalled at Geneva talks on nuclear weapons.  Years later in 1987, US and Soviet union achieved a deal to limit nuclear weapons.  Obama wrote the article at a time when the peace movement was still popular after Vietnam war. Under Obama, US remains the world's top military power spending more than next 6 countries with largest military budgets combined.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2017 - 11:45 AM ET #98

    Many conspiracy theories have been debunked in the past.  Easy to make false accusations but they are hard to prove.  Lies spread wide quickly but truths slowly emerge over time.
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    Many conspiracy theories have been debunked in the past.  Easy to make false accusations but they are hard to prove.  Lies spread wide quickly but truths slowly emerge over time.
     
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    Like Moore is a pedophile? 
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    Like Moore is a pedophile? 
     
     
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    Thank you David Gurney. O is/was the Manchurian candidate.
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    Thank you David Gurney. O is/was the Manchurian candidate.
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