Birthers

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Guess what you flaming idiots (DJT included). Right after you read this ask yourself a question.

Q: Was either one of Barack Obama's parents a citizen of the United States of America at the time of his birth?

A: Yes

Q: Does that automatically make Barack Obama a natural born citizen of the United States of America?

A: Yes

Q: Does the Constitution of the United States require a president to have been a natural born citizen.

A: Yes

Q: Does the Constitution of the United States require that a natural born citizen be born on soil of the Untied States of America.

A. NO.

If any idiot (including DJT) wanted to deny Obama's citizenship and eligibility he would have to prove A. Neither of Obama's parents was a citizen and B. He was not born on American soil,

Your problem is that it is not an either/or requirement for exclusion. So, before going any further you need to establish that NEITHER of Obama's parents was a citizen of the United States at the time of his birth AND that he was not born in Hawaii.

Do it, or concede the issue.

Article II (Article 2 - Executive)

Section 1

5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

KeyElement · Answer

Guess what you flaming idiots (DJT included). Right after you read this ask yourself a question.

Q: Was either one of Barack Obama's parents a citizen of the United States of America at the time of his birth?

A: Yes

Q: Does that automatically make Barack Obama a natural born citizen of the United States of America?

A: Yes

Q: Does the Constitution of the United States require a president to have been a natural born citizen.

A: Yes

Q: Does the Constitution of the United States require that a natural born citizen be born on soil of the Untied States of America.

A. NO.

If any idiot (including DJT) wanted to deny Obama's citizenship and eligibility he would have to prove A. Neither of Obama's parents was a citizen and B. He was not born on American soil,

Your problem is that it is not an either/or requirement for exclusion. So, before going any further you need to establish that NEITHER of Obama's parents was a citizen of the United States at the time of his birth AND that he was not born in Hawaii.

Do it, or concede the issue.

Article II (Article 2 - Executive)

Section 1

5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

JEG53 · Answer

Good to see your staying in form while we wait for baseball news,bdc was asking about you,I will tell him your doing fine,lol.Did you ever get my PM?

KeyElement · Answer

I just looked at it. Sorry I have not kept up with that much lately. I have a couple views/opinions to share but not in this forum. Will PM you back when I get a chance.

Midnight1 · Answer

The birther topic was just another attempt by President Clueless to increase the hatred that boils in the his cellar dweller followers. Even when consistently proven wrong he doesn't have the common decency to admit this was BS that his followers ate up.

Crusher13 · Answer

Who fricken cares?????????????????We&#x27;re #MAGA

SarasotaSlim · Answer

Talk about fake news.......President Trump has continued to question the legitimacy of Obama&#x27;s birth &#xD;&#xA;certificate during private conversations in recent months, The New York &#xD;&#xA;Times reported Tuesday....One anonymous sitting US Senator quoted by the Times,asked not to be named to discuss private conversations.....OK! Boy that Barry Soetoro, is a really shady character....

darkhorse12 · Answer

Republicans are easily fooled, tRump proved that.

I_Need_A_Detox · Answer

You need to be a natural born citizen to be President. I just blew up your entire argument with one sentence.

I_Need_A_Detox · Answer

Barack&#x2019;s brother Malik says Barack was born in Kenya

Hugh_Jorgan · Answer

Status as a natural-born citizen of the United States is one of the eligibility requirements established in the United States Constitution for holding the office of President or Vice President. This requirement was intended to protect the nation from foreign influence.[1]The U.S. Constitution uses but does not define the phrase "natural born Citizen", and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. The consensus of early 21st-century constitutional scholars, together with relevant case law, is that natural-born citizens include, subject to exceptions, those born in the United States. Many scholars have also concluded that those who meet the legal requirements for U.S. citizenship "at the moment of birth", regardless of place of birth, are also natural-born citizens.[2][3] Every president to date was either a citizen at the adoption of the Constitution in 1789 or was born in the United States; of those in the latter group, there have been seven that had at least one parent who was not born on U.S. soil.[4][5]

Hugh_Jorgan · Answer

The natural-born-citizen clause has been mentioned in passing in several decisions of the United States Supreme Court, and by some lower courts that have addressed eligibility challenges, but the Supreme Court has never directly addressed the question of a specific presidential or vice-presidential candidate&#x27;s eligibility as a natural-born citizen. Many eligibility lawsuits from the 2008, 2012, and 2016 election cycles were dismissed in lower courts due to the challengers&#x27; difficulty in showing that they had standing to raise legal objections. Additionally, some experts have suggested that the precise meaning of the natural-born-citizen clause may never be decided by the courts because, in the end, presidential eligibility may be determined to be a non-justiciable political question that can be decided only by Congress rather than by the judicial branch of government.[6][7]

Hugh_Jorgan · Answer

You posed questions and provided the answers as if they were absolute facts.As per my 2 cut-n-paste posts above, there seems to be no shortage of grey area.For the record, I am not now, nor have I ever been a "birther"I find the entire thing to be silly, just as this thread is silly, as is my responding within it is

I_Need_A_Detox · Answer

This guy thinks a President can be born in another country The &#x201C;at the time of the adoption of the constitution&#x201D; was for when the country was first founded. Democrats

I_Need_A_Detox · Answer

Malik Obama is the best Obama

thirdperson · Answer

According to wikipedia, Malik posted a fake birth certificate which has been debunked when presented in one of 17 failed lawsuits challenging Obama&#x27;s eligibility.  None of these lawsuits have ever been successful in law courts.  Obama&#x27;s real birth certificate is held by Hawaii department of health and has been examined by many people including factcheck.org.

darkhorse12 · Answer

John McCain was born in Panama.

Europa · Answer

In his book, &#x201C;The Art of the Deal,&#x201D; Donald Trump reaffirmed the claim that his grandfather came to America &#x201C;from Sweden as a child&#x201D;...https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-fred-german-heritage-swedish-gwenda-blair-a8083366.html

I_Need_A_Detox · Answer

Donald Trump is a proud German-American It is time for the fake Indian to come clean

I_Need_A_Detox · Answer

They should have left John McCain in Panama

KeyElement · Answer

Congratulations! You have earned your way on to the 5 Star Idiots list. I am sure Donald is very proud of you. He needs every idiot he can get to support him. Those that can neither read nor comprehend the Constitution are perfect. A leash is in the mail to your mother with complete instructions on how to use it. Also included is information on birth control and abortion so she can avoid breeding.

I_Need_A_Detox · Answer

Are you suggesting that a person could be born in Kenya and become President? Democrats

I_Need_A_Detox · Answer

Speaking of abortion... the black population in America would be double what it is today without the racist practices of planned parenthood and the Democratic Party. Sad.

SarasotaSlim · Answer

Panama Canal Zone, a sovereign U.S. territory at the time of McCain&#x27;s birth whereas Kenya never was a U.S. territory or possession ..

sundance · Answer

Sheriff Joe shot huge, big time holes through the &#x27;supposed&#x27; legitimate birth certificate of Barry Soetoro.

KeyElement · Answer

As a matter of fact YES. If either parent is a citizen of the United States at the time of birth, so is the child. You confuse "natural born citizen" with "born on American soil". Repeating your idiocy may get you a 6 or 7 start rating, but won&#x27;t accomplish anything else.  FurthermoreDemocrats OK, 7 stars confirmed. We are not talking parties here, we are talking constitutional law. Care to go for 10?

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