Another Mass Shooting

Nope your own buddies in this thread will not acknowledge that any type of crime is down overall both in 2023 and the early parts of 2024. It's just so unsafe in every capacity according to them. That is why they are not providing any statistics or sources to back their unfounded claims of crime being so rampant across the country in 2023-2024 to a point where they cannot even buy groceries today without armed security checking their receipts (lies). I actually provided a source on all crime being down in Phoenix in 2023. I am still waiting on counteracting stats from Phoenix, which have not been provided. 

I am basing my stats on 2023-2024 because those are the most recent reported years dum dum. Isn't more recent data metrics more relevant and useful to things happeniing today compared to 4 years ago??? You would think so no? 

@DeezyAZ81

 Dude, you gave me a stats on declining rate from the year prior. 

Here's a quick search on PHX up until 2020. Above the national avg. Every. Year. Has it changed? 

https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Phoenix-Arizona.html 

The statistics vary in many regards depending on the type of crime you are referring to...they may be up in violent crimes but down in non-violent crimes...the way the stats are collected overall is the real contributor of the number...so, if you are talking about one particular stat it may be up or down but if you are talking about overall they may also be slighted up or down...and, depending on which agency is tabulating the figures it could be misleading....for example, local jurisdiction versus say FBI...so, you have to be careful how the stats are compiled and displayed depending on ones objective whether this is locally tabulated or nationally tabulated...stats will vary with key pieces added or taken away...that's just the simple facts of stats....

IMO, the Bay area is a shit hole and crime is through the roof up there from the naked eye with or without stats...personal conversations and observations are a close to the vest statistic...doesn't mean you are right or another is wrong but through family, friends and local news one can draw a reasonable conclusion about its own city or local jurisdiction....IMO, crime does seem to be rising but that's without supporting facts or statistics but that could also be that the media has folded so much of this into the local, national and world reporting of it that it just seems bad out there...

I think we can all agree that most crime is senseless and benefits no one but those that commit them and you don't need to put a percentage on that...it's an issue in just about every neighborhood across the nation and it needs to stop, but won't...

https://time.com/6275440/insecure-private-security-replacing-police/

Boyer’s armed guard service has boomed over the last year as Philadelphia police staffing issues led to longer response times. Neil Patel, the owner of this Karco gas station, says he hired Boyer in December after thieves stole an ATM from his gas station and the police didn’t respond for six hours.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/retail-safety-reinvented-private-security-surges-protect-shopping

 surge in organized retail crime (ORC) is ringing alarm bells Thein the retail industry, with incidents of theft and shoplifting on the rise. Recent statistics indicate that ORC-related losses shot up by a staggering 26.5% from 2020. To tackle this growing menace, retailers are stepping up security measures, including the addition of more security guards within their stores.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurendebter/2022/09/09/retailers-are-adding-more-security-guards-to-stores---and-a-lot-of-them-are-carrying-guns/?sh=72cfa03631a1

Since July 2021, there's been a 108% increase in demand for armed guards at grocery stores, 

Funny how some people say one thing when the opposite is obviously true. Then demand YOU prove it. Really too easy.

It's just how some people are...they come off arrogant and abrasive...show me before I show you...they make statements without supporting evidence but expect you to...they don't respectfully ask, they ridicule you while doing so....they may mean well but they also think they are pretty cool for being a dick

FBI changes crime data reporting and just under 40% of US cities didn't report crime to FBI in 2021.

In 2022 it improved to only 31% not reporting.

Oh, look people, crime is down!! 

damn 40% didn't report during COVID...well that certainly would skew numbers

Just 24 percent of New York’s police departments sent their crime data to the FBI. That’s a failing grade in anyone’s book. That includes New York City’s Police Department, along with neighboring Suffolk, Nassau and Westchester County police. Just 141 of the 583 New York police agencies reported data in 2022.

Pennsylvania was worse, with just 9% of police departments reporting crime data to the FBI. Only 126 of the 1,392 police agencies reported their statistics. Missing were Pittsburgh, Allentown and Scranton.

California came in with just 49%

Florida 8% reported.

Illinois and New Jersey managed 52% reporting in 2022.

Doesn't the crime statistics look so much better now!

Well ain't that a hum dinger

[Quote: Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare]@Rush51  And that's why it is tough to combat from either side when it comes to gun laws...the founding fathers argument is kind of weak in some areas because things become outdated due to things evolving and adapting to more recent times....all those founding father points were applicable to the time in which they were drafted, but even in today's times laws are evaluated and updated due to the times we currently face....shouldn't the same be said of arguments that were made hundreds of years ago when society has adapted a hundred times over...I'm not saying to dissolve the rights of the people, but I'm not certain that it should be blindly followed if it is outdated in today's times.... Specifically, to the issue of gun laws, this will never be brought to a balance without some drastic measures being put in place...I don't think anyone has a problem with anyone owning a gun legally, but the issue seems to be with those that are able to obtain one illegally and how does the country put measures in place to keep this from happening...[/Quote]

I completely disagree with your above premise , because that is an awfully slippery slope to pick & choose which parts of these founding documents are "relevant" today, and which aren't.  I look at it completely different.  These are "bedrock" principles & values that provide the foundation of this country.  Should the ability of man to protect himself change w/ the times ?  Should the right to free speech change w/ the times ?  You get the idea.  These ideals should "never" change.  Sure, technology and such changes w/ the times , but the role/relationship of our government and its people should "never" change.   And that is what our founding documents represent..  

Now, having said all that, I think your earlier post today was brilliant ; 

Right, stricter penalties will do one of two things...It will either deter the person from doing the crime (most likely not with some of these perps) or it will put them away for longer periods to reduce repeat offending

You could have ended your post right there .  Perfectly stated !  

I think RAIDERS mentioned it earlier in this thread, regarding how lots of crimes are committed by repeat offenders.  Let's lock 'em up.... For a long time..  

Interesting, Remington, a prominent gun manufacturer of more than 200 years in New York, is leaving the State to take its operations to Georgia....

Remington, the nation’s oldest gun manufacturer, told union officials last year that the company chiefs at RemArms, its current name, would end manufacturing in New York in March. The remaining operations in Ilion will relocate to Georgia, a state company leaders believe “supports and welcomes” the firearm industry — delivering a massive blow to the town so intertwined with the factory.

The closure will result in the loss of 300 jobs for people living in a town of roughly 7,600. Stephens said the village is expected to lose $1 million in revenue due to the move, in addition to the other financial hits to local businesses in the area.

“We are very excited to come to Georgia, a state that not only welcomes business but enthusiastically supports and welcomes companies in the firearms industry,” D’Arcy added in a company statement. “Everyone involved in this process has shown how important business is to the state and how welcoming they are to all business, including the firearms industry.”

Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY), whose district encompasses Ilion, blamed New York’s “radical anti-Second Amendment policies” shortly after the move’s announcement.

“It is because of New York Democrats’ unconstitutional gun grab policies that the oldest gun manufacturer in the country has been run out of the state,” Stefanik said in November 2023.

Two dudes who work for Mass Transit in Pompano Beach got into an argument at shift turnover & one shot the other. Cops arrived & shot the other dude when he turned towards them. One was 59 & the other 42.

Do you bring your gun to work? These two both had access to a gun on their workplace grounds. They worked in maintenance not security or law enforcement.  

WTF?

SHELDON JOHNSON

If you read USA Today you will learn ex-con turned criminal justice reformer and ONE TIME GUEST ON JOE ROGAN was arrested for shooting and then dismembering a man.

https://news.yahoo.com/sheldon-johnson-joe-rogan-podcast-141350143.html

If you read FOX NEWS you will see a pic of Sheldon Johnson shaking the hand of Alvin Bragg, a pic of Johnson with Nets CFO Peter Stern, and a mention of Johnson on Joe Rogan's podcast. You also find out neighbors heard the victim begging for his life saying "I have a family". 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ex-con-nyc-murder-suspect-smiles-da-bragg-shortly-before-shocking-arrest

In any case who Johnson met or talked to is irrelevant. Yet USA Today puts Rogan in their headline. FOX posted Johnson's Instagram pics.

Hah, FOX changed the headline to "smiles with Alvin Bragg" 

Guess it's still Left vs Right. Look Joe Rogan, oh yeah, Look Alvin Bragg

Good lord...WTF....body parts were found in his freezer and he's claiming he's done nothing wrong....terrible

More evidence that more guns do not improve public safety.  Senseless violence can happen anywhere.  That is why broad gun control works best worldwide.

And how would gun control prevent this shooting? And from what I read it wasn't an arguement, the one went to the locker room, changed to his civilian clothes, pulled a gun from his lunchbox and waited. This is premeditated all the way. 

Years ago I worked with a white guy who became an alcoholic. Toasted at work one day he argued with a black guy about a weltched bet. He then started using the n-word and was very abusive. The black guy went to the parking to get his gun from his car, he was gonna kill him. Several fellow employees intervened and stopped it. Both these two were mechanics. I was a supervisor in a different division and heard of the incident anonymously through employees who begged for my help as the maintenence supervisor was turning a blind eye. One day I got my chance and I busted the drunk and he was forced to go to rehab. Several employees chastised me for showing no mercy. They said I hunted him down. I did. It didn't bother me.

The alcoholic found out he had diabetes while in rehab. He quit drinking. He apologized to the other mechanic and years later both were fellow supervisors. 

Having a gun in your car or on you was/is termination at the facility as I am sure it was in Pompeno too. I'm am pretty sure others there saw this coming, maybe even avoided the lockeroom. People need to do the right thing and de-escalate rather than pull their phones out and turn a blind eye!

And by the way, that maintenence supervisor who turned a blind eye was forced out of his position.

‘Numerous’ officers shot in ‘active situation’ in Charlotte, North Carolina, police say

Gunman shoots and injures 3 police officers, 2 innocent bystanders in New Orleans suburb

NY is stuck in their own F'd up policies.  NY state needs to break away from NYC, so many people think of NY as NYC but its Red and Purple outside of the major city.  Albany and the capital districts of Troy and Schenectady will always have the Blue Balls but 20 minute drive outside of these small cities its rural farms and woods.  Great hunting up here too.  As far as gun laws, people from gun friendly states need to realize when they travel it's not Florida or Texas everywhere.  Some poor sap from Houston went to an island (maybe grand cayman) and had a bullet in his backpack.  Dude can't come home now and facing years in prison for a single bullet and no gun.  Living in NY I know about the strict as ever gun laws so if I ever travel its usually a trip to Walmart for a brand new bag, just for this exact reason.

Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

‘Numerous’ officers shot in ‘active situation’ in Charlotte, North Carolina, police say

Funny how this story hit a brick wall. 

@UNIMAN

Just type in Charlotte and you will get all the updates you desire!

I found Governor Roy Coopers response with the old reliable “'Dangerous assignments are part of the job, but they step up and do it anyway to protect our communities and protect our families,'”…..What a cop out. Assault guns kill people fast and efficiently and are the answer to yesterday’s machine gun that was banned 90 years ago. They make killing hell of a lot easier than stabbing! …But no surprise it’s just more of the same from a life long political urchin! What is constant is you Republicans keep telling us that guns keep us safe…..In actuality guns keep there campaigns funded to the brims ! If you want to be safe, not just feel safe, vote for Democrats, they will add assault weapons to the National Firearms Act and end this national stain of senseless death.

 https://www.foxnews.com/us/charlotte-shootout-4-fatally-shot-officers-serving-warrant-had-great-disadvantage-expert-says

"According to the National Safety Council, with guns being used 2.5 million times a year in defense against criminals, firearms are actually used more than 80 times more often to protect lives, rather than to take lives. THIS INCLUDES SUICIDES, which usually outnumber murders 2 to 1."

A rock in bad hands killed Abel.  A rock in good hands killed Goliath. It's not about the rock. The rock is not at fault.  We still have rocks. 

Cain killed Abel with a rock, The Lord didn't get rid of all the rocks. He blamed Cain, not the rock. We have a sin problem, not a gun problem.

It turns out that big, scary military rifles don’t kill the vast majority of the 11,000 Americans murdered with guns each year. Little handguns do. Last year, only 322 people were murdered with any kind of rifle, F.B.I. data shows.

Handguns were used in 62% of the nation’s gun murders, including Ty's, in 2019, FBI data shows. Data from 2020 has not yet been published.

And despite public perception, more mass shootings (where four or more victims are killed) are carried out with handguns as opposed to long guns, according to Garrett.

Etc., etc.  Certainly, the numbers have changed somewhat and, for sure, deaths from assault rifles have gone up percentage-wise and more deaths can be done quicker with them.  But until the underlying issue(s) are addressed, making guns illegal, or limiting the types, will not change much.  Still guns will be obtained illegally.  Even if guns were not available folks would resort to other means, such as knives.  Look at some of the European countries and around the world to see this.  Then what do the folks that can no longer use guns to protect themselves do?  Using a knife in self-defense is a much trickier proposition for an untrained person.

The cause of the violence and the lack of consequences for it need to be addressed.  Until the folks have the resolve to do that not much will change.  Etc., etc.