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    2000 Mules: debunked as partisan BS!

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    Zeus4par
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    Posted: May. 9, 2022 - 4:26 PM ET #1

    A film debuting in over 270 theaters across the United States this week uses flawed analysis of cellphone location data and ballot drop box surveillance footage to support the BIG LIE and cast doubt on the results of the 2020 presidential election nearly 18 months after it ended, to any and all gullible enough to believe faulty evidence.

     

    Much more to follow

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    A film debuting in over 270 theaters across the United States this week uses flawed analysis of cellphone location data and ballot drop box surveillance footage to support the BIG LIE and cast doubt on the results of the 2020 presidential election nearly 18 months after it ended, to any and all gullible enough to believe faulty evidence.

     

    Much more to follow

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2022 - 4:31 PM ET #2

    We need to push this narrative get with the program republicans are cheated their vote doesn't count it was a new York syndicate screwing they need to go hunting instead of wasting their time going to vote.

    win

    We need to win and win big come first Tuesday in November

     

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    We need to push this narrative get with the program republicans are cheated their vote doesn't count it was a new York syndicate screwing they need to go hunting instead of wasting their time going to vote.

    win

    We need to win and win big come first Tuesday in November

     

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2022 - 4:38 PM ET #3

    @Zeus4par

     Too bad you were not able to view it.  A lot of compelling evidence that shows a lot of funny business went on around hundreds of those drop boxes that only proves one thing in my humble opinion.  The election was know doubt flawed and the more people that see the documentary will conclude the election was tainted in Joe Biden's favor.  I hope you have time to watch it sometime.

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    @Zeus4par

     Too bad you were not able to view it.  A lot of compelling evidence that shows a lot of funny business went on around hundreds of those drop boxes that only proves one thing in my humble opinion.  The election was know doubt flawed and the more people that see the documentary will conclude the election was tainted in Joe Biden's favor.  I hope you have time to watch it sometime.

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2022 - 4:48 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by bigdoug:

    @Zeus4par  Too bad you were not able to view it.

     

    How would you know if he viewed it or not??! confused

    You're doing in effect exactly what that ultra-far right partisan documentary does: stating false premises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdoug:

    @Zeus4par  Too bad you were not able to view it.

     

    How would you know if he viewed it or not??! confused

    You're doing in effect exactly what that ultra-far right partisan documentary does: stating false premises.

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2022 - 4:49 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    Quote Originally Posted by bigdoug: @Zeus4par  Too bad you were not able to view it.  

     

    How would you know if he viewed it or not??! You're doing in effect exactly what that ultra-far right partisan documentary does: stating false premises.

     

    my thought exactly         how the heck would he know  

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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    Quote Originally Posted by bigdoug: @Zeus4par  Too bad you were not able to view it.  

     

    How would you know if he viewed it or not??! You're doing in effect exactly what that ultra-far right partisan documentary does: stating false premises.

     

    my thought exactly         how the heck would he know  

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2022 - 5:18 PM ET #6

    Fact check: Gaping holes in election fraud claims of ‘2000 Mules’ movie

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    Praised by former President Donald Trump as exposing “great election fraud,” the movie, called “2000 Mules,” paints an ominous picture, suggesting Democrat-aligned ballot “mules” were supposedly paid to illegally collect and drop off ballots in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

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    Fact check: Gaping holes in election fraud claims of ‘2000 Mules’ movie

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    Praised by former President Donald Trump as exposing “great election fraud,” the movie, called “2000 Mules,” paints an ominous picture, suggesting Democrat-aligned ballot “mules” were supposedly paid to illegally collect and drop off ballots in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2022 - 5:19 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    A film debuting in over 270 theaters across the United States this week uses flawed analysis of cellphone location data and ballot drop box surveillance footage to support the BIG LIE and cast doubt on the results of the 2020 presidential election nearly 18 months after it ended, to any and all gullible enough to believe faulty evidence.   Much more to follow

     

    this side of the story also deserves a hearing of the alleged facts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    A film debuting in over 270 theaters across the United States this week uses flawed analysis of cellphone location data and ballot drop box surveillance footage to support the BIG LIE and cast doubt on the results of the 2020 presidential election nearly 18 months after it ended, to any and all gullible enough to believe faulty evidence.   Much more to follow

     

    this side of the story also deserves a hearing of the alleged facts

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2022 - 5:26 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Fact check: Gaping holes in election fraud claims of ‘2000 Mules’ movie APPraised by former President Donald Trump as exposing “great election fraud,” the movie, called “2000 Mules,” paints an ominous picture, suggesting Democrat-aligned ballot “mules” were supposedly paid to illegally collect and drop off ballots in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

    But it’s based on faulty assumptions,  anonymous accounts  and  improper analysis of cellphone location data, which is nowhere near precise enough to confirm that somebody deposited a ballot into a drop box, according to experts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Fact check: Gaping holes in election fraud claims of ‘2000 Mules’ movie APPraised by former President Donald Trump as exposing “great election fraud,” the movie, called “2000 Mules,” paints an ominous picture, suggesting Democrat-aligned ballot “mules” were supposedly paid to illegally collect and drop off ballots in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

    But it’s based on faulty assumptions,  anonymous accounts  and  improper analysis of cellphone location data, which is nowhere near precise enough to confirm that somebody deposited a ballot into a drop box, according to experts.

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2022 - 5:37 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Fact check: Gaping holes in election fraud claims of ‘2000 Mules’ movie APPraised by former President Donald Trump as exposing “great election fraud,” the movie, called “2000 Mules,” paints an ominous picture, suggesting Democrat-aligned ballot “mules” were supposedly paid to illegally collect and drop off ballots in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. But it’s based on faulty assumptions,  anonymous accounts  and  improper analysis of cellphone location data, which is nowhere near precise enough to confirm that somebody deposited a ballot into a drop box, according to experts.

    The movie was produced by conspiracy theorist and Trump supporter Dinesh D’Souza and uses so-called "research" from the republican Texas-based "True the Vote," which has spent months lobbying states to use its alleged findings to change voting laws.

    Here’s a closer look at the facts:

    CLAIM:  At least 2,000 “mules” were paid to illegally collect ballots and deliver them to drop boxes in key swing states ahead of the 2020 presidential election.

    THE FACTS:   True the Vote didn’t prove this!!an_light

    Their finding is based on false assumptions about the precision of cellphone tracking data and their reasoning that someone might drop off multiple ballots, according to experts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Fact check: Gaping holes in election fraud claims of ‘2000 Mules’ movie APPraised by former President Donald Trump as exposing “great election fraud,” the movie, called “2000 Mules,” paints an ominous picture, suggesting Democrat-aligned ballot “mules” were supposedly paid to illegally collect and drop off ballots in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. But it’s based on faulty assumptions,  anonymous accounts  and  improper analysis of cellphone location data, which is nowhere near precise enough to confirm that somebody deposited a ballot into a drop box, according to experts.

    The movie was produced by conspiracy theorist and Trump supporter Dinesh D’Souza and uses so-called "research" from the republican Texas-based "True the Vote," which has spent months lobbying states to use its alleged findings to change voting laws.

    Here’s a closer look at the facts:

    CLAIM:  At least 2,000 “mules” were paid to illegally collect ballots and deliver them to drop boxes in key swing states ahead of the 2020 presidential election.

    THE FACTS:   True the Vote didn’t prove this!!an_light

    Their finding is based on false assumptions about the precision of cellphone tracking data and their reasoning that someone might drop off multiple ballots, according to experts.

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2022 - 6:10 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Fact check: Gaping holes in election fraud claims of ‘2000 Mules’ movie APPraised by former President Donald Trump as exposing “great election fraud,” the movie, called “2000 Mules,” paints an ominous picture, suggesting Democrat-aligned ballot “mules” were supposedly paid to illegally collect and drop off ballots in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

     

    OHHH, The AP!! 

    Is that the same AP that printed; https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ap-top-news-john-bolton-politics-russia-425e43fa0ffdd6e126c5171653ec47d1

    "Top officials in the White House were aware in early 2019 of classified intelligence indicating Russia was secretly offering bounties to the Taliban for the deaths of Americans, a full year earlier than has been previously reported, according to U.S. officials with direct knowledge of the intelligence."

    THE BIDEN WHITE HOUSE SAYS THEY EVEN BELIEVE THIS NOT TRUE!

    The same AP;  https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-russia-024b553e9a4ffb2716286dd134876f8a

    "That hasn’t stopped the FBI from investigating whether the emails are part of a foreign influence operation."

    Note; The FBI already had the original laptop for 10 months when this was written.

    Again; https://apnews.com/article/archive-fact-checking-9391149002

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Fact check: Gaping holes in election fraud claims of ‘2000 Mules’ movie APPraised by former President Donald Trump as exposing “great election fraud,” the movie, called “2000 Mules,” paints an ominous picture, suggesting Democrat-aligned ballot “mules” were supposedly paid to illegally collect and drop off ballots in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

     

    OHHH, The AP!! 

    Is that the same AP that printed; https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ap-top-news-john-bolton-politics-russia-425e43fa0ffdd6e126c5171653ec47d1

    "Top officials in the White House were aware in early 2019 of classified intelligence indicating Russia was secretly offering bounties to the Taliban for the deaths of Americans, a full year earlier than has been previously reported, according to U.S. officials with direct knowledge of the intelligence."

    THE BIDEN WHITE HOUSE SAYS THEY EVEN BELIEVE THIS NOT TRUE!

    The same AP;  https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-russia-024b553e9a4ffb2716286dd134876f8a

    "That hasn’t stopped the FBI from investigating whether the emails are part of a foreign influence operation."

    Note; The FBI already had the original laptop for 10 months when this was written.

    Again; https://apnews.com/article/archive-fact-checking-9391149002

    Research shows COVID-19 was not manufactured in a lab

    Real credible source! lie

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2022 - 6:47 PM ET #11

    Similar to the sham audit in Arizona, 2000 mules film promotes conspiracy theories but presents no credible evidence of voting fraud.  In many states, not a crime to collect and deposit ballots in drop boxes on behalf of others.  For examples, family members, disabled and elderly.  Also no evidence ballots in boxes are illegal.  Absentee ballots are verified by signature (or number) to identify invalid ballots never requested by voters or never issued by election officials.  History shows absentee voting is secure and voting fraud is very rare.  Besides Associated press, politifact has also raised doubts about claims in 2000 mules.

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    Similar to the sham audit in Arizona, 2000 mules film promotes conspiracy theories but presents no credible evidence of voting fraud.  In many states, not a crime to collect and deposit ballots in drop boxes on behalf of others.  For examples, family members, disabled and elderly.  Also no evidence ballots in boxes are illegal.  Absentee ballots are verified by signature (or number) to identify invalid ballots never requested by voters or never issued by election officials.  History shows absentee voting is secure and voting fraud is very rare.  Besides Associated press, politifact has also raised doubts about claims in 2000 mules.

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2022 - 6:47 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Fact check: Gaping holes in election fraud claims of ‘2000 Mules’ movie APPraised by former President Donald Trump as exposing “great election fraud,” the movie, called “2000 Mules,” paints an ominous picture, suggesting Democrat-aligned ballot “mules” were supposedly paid to illegally collect and drop off ballots in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

    But it’s based on faulty assumptions,  anonymous accounts  and  improper analysis of cellphone location data, which is nowhere near precise enough to confirm that somebody deposited a ballot into a drop box, according to experts.

     

    ahhh theres the rub right there peace_5

    faulty assumptions, 

    anonymous accounts  and 

    improper analysis of cellphone location data

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Fact check: Gaping holes in election fraud claims of ‘2000 Mules’ movie APPraised by former President Donald Trump as exposing “great election fraud,” the movie, called “2000 Mules,” paints an ominous picture, suggesting Democrat-aligned ballot “mules” were supposedly paid to illegally collect and drop off ballots in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

    But it’s based on faulty assumptions,  anonymous accounts  and  improper analysis of cellphone location data, which is nowhere near precise enough to confirm that somebody deposited a ballot into a drop box, according to experts.

     

    ahhh theres the rub right there peace_5

    faulty assumptions, 

    anonymous accounts  and 

    improper analysis of cellphone location data

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2022 - 7:44 PM ET #13

    Drop boxes have been used & proven reliable for decades.

    The losers still spreading bullshit of a fixed election had their chance to prove their case & they didn't.

    It's time for them to shut the fuck up.

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    Drop boxes have been used & proven reliable for decades.

    The losers still spreading bullshit of a fixed election had their chance to prove their case & they didn't.

    It's time for them to shut the fuck up.

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2022 - 8:31 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Drop boxes have been used & proven reliable for decades. The losers still spreading bullshit of a fixed election had their chance to prove their case & they didn't. It's time for them to shut the fuck up.

    Nobody who watched the movie agrees with the trolls in this thread who support organized crime and fraudulent elections.   peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Drop boxes have been used & proven reliable for decades. The losers still spreading bullshit of a fixed election had their chance to prove their case & they didn't. It's time for them to shut the fuck up.

    Nobody who watched the movie agrees with the trolls in this thread who support organized crime and fraudulent elections.   peace_5

     
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    In less than 12 hours '2,000 Mules' on stolen 2020 election grosses more than a million dollars on Locals and Rumble platforms.  an_clap

     

    Now we know why the trolls all came in fast and furious one right after the other as they received their propaganda to parrot from the head comedy writers they work for. The timing of their coordinated smear campaign one might find curious, to someone who is viewing this forum for the first time and doesn't know any better.  an_roll_laugh

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    In less than 12 hours '2,000 Mules' on stolen 2020 election grosses more than a million dollars on Locals and Rumble platforms.  an_clap

     

    Now we know why the trolls all came in fast and furious one right after the other as they received their propaganda to parrot from the head comedy writers they work for. The timing of their coordinated smear campaign one might find curious, to someone who is viewing this forum for the first time and doesn't know any better.  an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2022 - 9:46 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Fact check: Gaping holes in election fraud claims of ‘2000 Mules’ movie 

     

    Here’s a closer look at the facts:

    continuing ...

    True the Vote has said it found some 2,000 ballot harvesters by purchasing $2 million worth of anonymized cellphone geolocation data — the “pings” that track a person’s location based on app activity — in various swing counties across five states. Then, by drawing a virtual boundary around a county’s ballot drop boxes and various unnamed nonprofits, it identified cellphones that repeatedly went near both ahead of the 2020 election.

    If a cellphone went near a drop box more than 10 times and a nonprofit more than five times from Oct. 1 to Election Day, True the Vote assumed its owner was a “mule” — its name for someone engaged in an illegal ballot collection scheme in cahoots with a nonprofit.

    The group’s claims of a paid ballot harvesting scheme are supported in the film only by one unidentified whistleblower said to be from San Luis, Arizona, who said she saw people picking up what she “assumed” to be payments for ballot collection.

    an_lightThe film contains no evidence of such payments in other states in 2020.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Fact check: Gaping holes in election fraud claims of ‘2000 Mules’ movie 

     

    Here’s a closer look at the facts:

    continuing ...

    True the Vote has said it found some 2,000 ballot harvesters by purchasing $2 million worth of anonymized cellphone geolocation data — the “pings” that track a person’s location based on app activity — in various swing counties across five states. Then, by drawing a virtual boundary around a county’s ballot drop boxes and various unnamed nonprofits, it identified cellphones that repeatedly went near both ahead of the 2020 election.

    If a cellphone went near a drop box more than 10 times and a nonprofit more than five times from Oct. 1 to Election Day, True the Vote assumed its owner was a “mule” — its name for someone engaged in an illegal ballot collection scheme in cahoots with a nonprofit.

    The group’s claims of a paid ballot harvesting scheme are supported in the film only by one unidentified whistleblower said to be from San Luis, Arizona, who said she saw people picking up what she “assumed” to be payments for ballot collection.

    an_lightThe film contains no evidence of such payments in other states in 2020.

     

     
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    MODS BAN THIS THREAD OF SPREADING MISS INFORMATION! THERE ARE NO CREDIBLE OR RELIABLE SOURCES TO BACK UP THE ORIGINAL POSTERS CLAIMS AND SPECULATION.

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    MODS BAN THIS THREAD OF SPREADING MISS INFORMATION! THERE ARE NO CREDIBLE OR RELIABLE SOURCES TO BACK UP THE ORIGINAL POSTERS CLAIMS AND SPECULATION.

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    Posted: May. 9, 2022 - 10:18 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Fact check:

    Gaping holes in election fraud claims of ‘2000 Mules’ movie   

     

    article continuing to expose this fraud by rightwing conspiracy theorists... 

    "Plus, experts say cellphone location data, even at its most advanced, can only reliably track a smartphone within a few meters — definitely not close enough to know whether someone actually dropped off a ballot or just walked or drove nearby!! an_light

    “You could use cellular evidence to say this person was in that general area, but to say they were at the ballot box, you’re stretching it a lot,” said Aaron Striegel, a professor of computer science and engineering at the University of Notre Dame.

    “There’s always a healthy amount of uncertainty that comes with this.” "

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Fact check:

    Gaping holes in election fraud claims of ‘2000 Mules’ movie   

     

    article continuing to expose this fraud by rightwing conspiracy theorists... 

    "Plus, experts say cellphone location data, even at its most advanced, can only reliably track a smartphone within a few meters — definitely not close enough to know whether someone actually dropped off a ballot or just walked or drove nearby!! an_light

    “You could use cellular evidence to say this person was in that general area, but to say they were at the ballot box, you’re stretching it a lot,” said Aaron Striegel, a professor of computer science and engineering at the University of Notre Dame.

    “There’s always a healthy amount of uncertainty that comes with this.” "

     

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2022 - 10:43 PM ET #19

    @BigGame90

     Even FOX & Newsmax won't won't give this bullshit any time on their stations.

    Both have billion-dollar lawsuits alleging that their promotion of election fraud conspiracy theories were defamatory. 

    Maybe they learned their lesson but I doubt it. 

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    @BigGame90

     Even FOX & Newsmax won't won't give this bullshit any time on their stations.

    Both have billion-dollar lawsuits alleging that their promotion of election fraud conspiracy theories were defamatory. 

    Maybe they learned their lesson but I doubt it. 

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2022 - 10:55 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Fact check:

    Gaping holes in election fraud claims of ‘2000 Mules’ movie   

     “You could use cellular evidence to say this person was in that general area, but to say they were at the ballot box, you’re stretching it a lot,” said Aaron Striegel, a professor of computer science and engineering at the University of Notre Dame. “There’s always a healthy amount of uncertainty that comes with this.” "

    an_light "What’s more, ballot drop boxes are often intentionally placed in busy areas, such as college campuses, libraries, government buildings and apartment complexes — increasing the likelihood that innocent citizens got caught in the group’s dragnet, Professor Striegel said.

    There are plenty of legitimate reasons why someone might be visiting both a nonprofit’s office and one of those busy areas. Delivery drivers, postal workers, cab drivers, poll workers and elected officials  all have legitimate reasons to cross paths with numerous drop boxes or nonprofits in a given day! an_light

     

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Fact check:

    Gaping holes in election fraud claims of ‘2000 Mules’ movie   

     “You could use cellular evidence to say this person was in that general area, but to say they were at the ballot box, you’re stretching it a lot,” said Aaron Striegel, a professor of computer science and engineering at the University of Notre Dame. “There’s always a healthy amount of uncertainty that comes with this.” "

    an_light "What’s more, ballot drop boxes are often intentionally placed in busy areas, such as college campuses, libraries, government buildings and apartment complexes — increasing the likelihood that innocent citizens got caught in the group’s dragnet, Professor Striegel said.

    There are plenty of legitimate reasons why someone might be visiting both a nonprofit’s office and one of those busy areas. Delivery drivers, postal workers, cab drivers, poll workers and elected officials  all have legitimate reasons to cross paths with numerous drop boxes or nonprofits in a given day! an_light

     

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2022 - 11:36 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Fact check:

    Gaping holes in election fraud claims of ‘2000 Mules’ movie   

     “You could use cellular evidence to say this person was in that general area, but to say they were at the ballot box, you’re stretching it a lot,” said Aaron Striegel, a professor of computer science and engineering at the University of Notre Dame. “There’s always a healthy amount of uncertainty that comes with this.” "

    The republican conspiracy theory group, "True the Vote," - whom conspiracy-theorist-filmaker Dinesh D’Souza, himself previously convicted of election campaign fraud, relies upon as his "proof" - has claimed it filtered out people whose “pattern of life” before the election season included frequenting nonprofit and drop box locations.

    But that strategy wouldn’t filter out election workers who spend more time at drop boxes during the election season, cab drivers whose daily paths don’t follow a pattern, or people whose routines recently changed.an_light

    In some states, in an attempt to bolster its claims, True the Vote also highlighted drop box surveillance footage that showed voters depositing multiple ballots into the boxes.

    However, while that may be true, there was no way to tell whether those voters were the same people as the ones whose cellphones were anonymously tracked!! an_light

     

    Thus far all that republican conspiracy-theory group is doing is making wild "assumptions" to fit their narrative - with no actual proof to back it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Fact check:

    Gaping holes in election fraud claims of ‘2000 Mules’ movie   

     “You could use cellular evidence to say this person was in that general area, but to say they were at the ballot box, you’re stretching it a lot,” said Aaron Striegel, a professor of computer science and engineering at the University of Notre Dame. “There’s always a healthy amount of uncertainty that comes with this.” "

    The republican conspiracy theory group, "True the Vote," - whom conspiracy-theorist-filmaker Dinesh D’Souza, himself previously convicted of election campaign fraud, relies upon as his "proof" - has claimed it filtered out people whose “pattern of life” before the election season included frequenting nonprofit and drop box locations.

    But that strategy wouldn’t filter out election workers who spend more time at drop boxes during the election season, cab drivers whose daily paths don’t follow a pattern, or people whose routines recently changed.an_light

    In some states, in an attempt to bolster its claims, True the Vote also highlighted drop box surveillance footage that showed voters depositing multiple ballots into the boxes.

    However, while that may be true, there was no way to tell whether those voters were the same people as the ones whose cellphones were anonymously tracked!! an_light

     

    Thus far all that republican conspiracy-theory group is doing is making wild "assumptions" to fit their narrative - with no actual proof to back it up.

     
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    Posted: May. 10, 2022 - 1:52 AM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Fact check: Gaping holes in election fraud claims of ‘2000 Mules’ movie    Here’s a closer look at the facts: continuing ... True the Vote has said it found some 2,000 ballot harvesters by purchasing $2 million worth of anonymized cellphone geolocation data — the “pings” that track a person’s location based on app activity — in various swing counties across five states. Then, by drawing a virtual boundary around a county’s ballot drop boxes and various unnamed nonprofits, it identified cellphones that repeatedly went near both ahead of the 2020 election. If a cellphone went near a drop box more than 10 times and a nonprofit more than five times from Oct. 1 to Election Day, True the Vote assumed its owner was a “mule” — its name for someone engaged in an illegal ballot collection scheme in cahoots with a nonprofit. The group’s claims of a paid ballot harvesting scheme are supported in the film only by one unidentified whistleblower said to be from San Luis, Arizona, who said she saw people picking up what she “assumed” to be payments for ballot collection. The film contains no evidence of such payments in other states in 2020.

      thumbs_up  no valid evidence       only assumption

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Fact check: Gaping holes in election fraud claims of ‘2000 Mules’ movie    Here’s a closer look at the facts: continuing ... True the Vote has said it found some 2,000 ballot harvesters by purchasing $2 million worth of anonymized cellphone geolocation data — the “pings” that track a person’s location based on app activity — in various swing counties across five states. Then, by drawing a virtual boundary around a county’s ballot drop boxes and various unnamed nonprofits, it identified cellphones that repeatedly went near both ahead of the 2020 election. If a cellphone went near a drop box more than 10 times and a nonprofit more than five times from Oct. 1 to Election Day, True the Vote assumed its owner was a “mule” — its name for someone engaged in an illegal ballot collection scheme in cahoots with a nonprofit. The group’s claims of a paid ballot harvesting scheme are supported in the film only by one unidentified whistleblower said to be from San Luis, Arizona, who said she saw people picking up what she “assumed” to be payments for ballot collection. The film contains no evidence of such payments in other states in 2020.

      thumbs_up  no valid evidence       only assumption

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @BigGame90  Even FOX & Newsmax won't won't give this bullshit any time on their stations. Both have billion-dollar lawsuits alleging that their promotion of election fraud conspiracy theories were defamatory.  Maybe they learned their lesson but I doubt it.
    surprisiing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @BigGame90  Even FOX & Newsmax won't won't give this bullshit any time on their stations. Both have billion-dollar lawsuits alleging that their promotion of election fraud conspiracy theories were defamatory.  Maybe they learned their lesson but I doubt it.
    surprisiing

     
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    Posted: May. 10, 2022 - 2:17 AM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

     

    article continuing to expose this fraud by rightwing conspiracy theorists... 

     

    "Plus, experts say cellphone location data, even at its most advanced, can only reliably track a smartphone within a few meters — definitely not close enough to know whether someone actually dropped off a ballot or just walked or drove nearby!! an_light

    “You could use cellular evidence to say this person was in that general area, but to say they were at the ballot box, you’re stretching it a lot,” said Aaron Striegel, a professor of computer science and engineering at the University of Notre Dame.

    “There’s always a healthy amount of uncertainty that comes with this.” "

                thumbs_up    from a professor of computer science & engineering

    at the university of notre dame an_light

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

     

    article continuing to expose this fraud by rightwing conspiracy theorists... 

     

    "Plus, experts say cellphone location data, even at its most advanced, can only reliably track a smartphone within a few meters — definitely not close enough to know whether someone actually dropped off a ballot or just walked or drove nearby!! an_light

    “You could use cellular evidence to say this person was in that general area, but to say they were at the ballot box, you’re stretching it a lot,” said Aaron Striegel, a professor of computer science and engineering at the University of Notre Dame.

    “There’s always a healthy amount of uncertainty that comes with this.” "

                thumbs_up    from a professor of computer science & engineering

    at the university of notre dame an_light

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    an_light "What’s more, ballot drop boxes are often intentionally placed in busy areas, such as college campuses, libraries, government buildings and apartment complexes — increasing the likelihood that innocent citizens got caught in the group’s dragnet, Professor Striegel said.

    There are plenty of legitimate reasons why someone might be visiting both a nonprofit’s office and one of those busy areas. Delivery drivers, postal workers, cab drivers, poll workers and elected officials  all have legitimate reasons to cross paths with numerous drop boxes or nonprofits in a given day! an_light

    reasonable counter evidence to their invalid assumptions !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    an_light "What’s more, ballot drop boxes are often intentionally placed in busy areas, such as college campuses, libraries, government buildings and apartment complexes — increasing the likelihood that innocent citizens got caught in the group’s dragnet, Professor Striegel said.

    There are plenty of legitimate reasons why someone might be visiting both a nonprofit’s office and one of those busy areas. Delivery drivers, postal workers, cab drivers, poll workers and elected officials  all have legitimate reasons to cross paths with numerous drop boxes or nonprofits in a given day! an_light

    reasonable counter evidence to their invalid assumptions !!

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