Online Poker- Scam or Real?

I'm sure this has been posted/discussed before, i've been playing at Ultimate Bet for about a year now.  I'm just about ready to quit playing on there, even though i haven't lost much money it just seems like you can never get ahead.  I've been reading a lot about online poker being rigged and it seems like that may  be the case.  Whether it's that magical one card that falls to make 2 or 3 players hands to someone always having a nut hand.  Now i've started hearing about these robot players they send in to siphon cash out of the players at the table.  I know everyone says you see more hands playing online, but it doesn"t seem right the way they fall.  I'm not trying to say i'm some big shot poker player, but i usually hold my own whenever i'm at the casino or a home game.  I normally am pretty good at reading what players have by the betting, but online i actually feel that they always have the nuts. Just wanted to know what others were thinking.

people will say.. why do they need to cheat they make enough money..   let me ask you this..  do they have every penny?? NO.  its shady in my opinion. too many heavy action hands and the rake remains constant. you always seem to thrive right after your deposit then they pull the carpet out.

He who gambles lives in shambles

Been playing for acouple hours today and the one trend that really has me worried is that when i fold a hand the best corresponding flop has come way too many times.  When i call with these same type of hands i've flopped nothing, plus when i have a good draw they haven't really been hitting.  Seems like when you fold they flop a great hand just to get you steaming or make you feel like you should gambling more.  I know i'm not the greatest player but come on i can't fold the winners that much and play the losers. Just seems like any other thing in this world when there's no checks and balances someone will find a way to corrupt it.

Strongly suspect they put these bots at the tables to raise you out of the pot and increase rake.  When this happens i invariably flop nothing and the one bets the other out of the pot, therefore i can't even see what they are holding.

I think if you think that then don't play anymore.  Everyone complains....where are the winners?

The trouble is, many don't know the numbers.  Even if you have an over pair, you're only 4:1 to win.  Someone loses 1 of those 3 confrontations and they think they are getting screwed.  Just take some time and count the times where you win as a dog and where your opponent wins as a dog....it evens out.

FYI, I've tracked my hands over the course of a game MANY times and didn't see anything funny. 

They keep recycling. They want to rope in the newer players by letting them win at the expense of the previous older winners.

It is designed to create action.

Just played 100 hands on the same table, 2 of which i suspect of being robots.  In 100 hands that have been played they have went head to head 29 times, they have only showed down hands 1 time.  The game is only 6 handed, the other players have all chatted and played head to head many pots that were shown down.  Just seems a little fishy to me.  This isn't a bash internet poker thread just wanted peoples opinion.

someones already been caught cheating on ultimate bet. and you see all the full tilt pro's in red. do you really think the pro is playing?

Go play "Rush Poker" at Full Tilt...no data mining can be performed and bots do not function effectively...you'll see way more hands and your variance will be even greater but I think if you tilt, take a breather knowing you will see 100 more hands in <20 mins. it'll help you get over it quicker...

What do you mean bu data mining?

Do you think that this is true about robots playing on these sites?

 

i can play with real people, but not online.  i know of someone that claims he's up 30k so far this year, but he has money to spend so he plays in the larger tournaments. 

I'm up something like 3 grand on pokerstars.  I usually play $20-25 sit n go's but i go on some runs where i take the most unbelievable beats and it seems like i can't possibly be that unlucky.  But I keep coming back for more. 

online poker winners  

people who waste money online when you can't see anything

its just a shady shady shady game....where there is money there will always be cheaters. Not only do you have to worry about the site itself but more worry about the "players".

Just go and play in a game where you see the 52 cards and the people.

I think the biggest thing you have to worry about is people communicating through instant messenger or the phone around the game.  Can't really do much to defend against that.  I nailed 2 French guys once ....only time i've ever done it but i strongly suspected them of colluding and i emailed pokerstars and asked them to study the hand history.  They did and about 2 weeks later they emailed me saying both users have been banned and prize money re-awarded from the game in question. 

Only playing low stakes to pass time, just seems like anytime money is involved that there will always be people trying to cheat/steal.  PLease post you expereinces or opinions, very interesting stuff.

Thanks for the heads up Scalabrine, never thought about that!

I have 2 friends who are VERY good at online poker, and they are waaaay up in the long run - along with another who won $22,000-some a few months ago in a tournament.

I have not played online in quite some time now. The last time I played I was playing at a full table and I had the Ace of Spades 23 times in 50 hands. Other players were posting that they too kept getting the same specific card over and over again.

It actually was getting comical.

I believe this was at pokerroom.com

You were complaining because you were getting too many Aces?  You should have been playing more.