A hairy situation came up this weekend

I got AK under the gun.  Raised it 20.  2 callers.

 

flop:  Ah Qs 7s

 

I bet 50.  A call.  last player raises to 200 total.  I reraise it 400 total(Now, I got 500 left in front of me).  Middle player folds.  Back to the original raiser.  He puts me all in.

 

What would you do?  BTW,

BTW, I've neved played with this kid before.

fold- he's has 2 pair, or a set or he's chasing the flush.

Personally, I doubt he's on a flush draw.  You bet out after the flop....either means a continuation or you have a nice ace.  Either way, any raise by him is LIKELY to be met with resistance from you (in other words, a semi-bluff is not likely to win the pot for him).  Not to mention, there is another person in the pot who already called your bet after the flop.  If I have a nut flush or big flush draw there, I probably call your bet on the flop to control the size of the pot to be honest.   Just doesn't appear to be a great semi-bluff spot for him IMO. 

A-Q or a pair of 7's makes some sense here for him.  Unless he's crazy and on a straight bluff or played a flush draw pretty interesting (at least that's the way I would see it).

BTW, A-K for him would also make some sense. 

ugggggggh another cool hand story with no outcome!!!!!!! i want outcomes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kkot,

 

2/5 N/L

-villain was 4 spots after me.  He was last to act in the hand.

FOLD YO

fold - set or 2 pair

AQ or a set of 7's, could have QQ or AA but depending on the player he may have re-raised pre flop with queens or aces  and aces would be rare with 2 already out.  

 

I probably would have folded or called the raise and see if he shuts down on the turn.   Without a read on the player I think the best bet is to fold here.  By re-raising you put yourself in a bad position. 

 

Where do you find a 2/5 NL game? That's an odd structure. 

i agree with zanepro a set of 7's seems right. In any case your bet fold

spoon,

 

where are you?

haha sorry busy couple days, if i had to guess id say 1 pair is probably not good here. I think there is a possibility that he has AA but probably 77 or AQ both of which have you beat. These are two hands that would not reraise you preflop, aa might reraise ur raise utg, i know i probably would, because i would want to make sure you werent just fucking around or to try to build the pot. QQ would also probably reraise preflop so you can figure out a good ballpark of where ur at, if u get raised, probly overpair, a call probly at least an over card or suited connectors ballpark. I really cant see a flush draw in this spot, unless it was something like AJs which kind of does make a lot of sense to have. My feel for the hand is that the guy probably has 77 because i would want to get all in to make sure i was up against a legit hand and not a draw or something screwy.

First I would not of reraised. Reason being is I don't think AK is the best hand and with your reraise one thing is going to happen and he did that with the all-in.  My guess is he has A7. He wants you out. He is protecting something. Strong but beatable.

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So we have 10 folds and zero call.

 

Before I provide with my analysis and tell you what happened in the hand, I would like you to know my playing style.  When I started playing poker(3 years ago), I was a primarily a limit player.  However, N/L poker on TV was so popular that the limit games were dying.  As a result, I had to learn N/L.  My style changed from tight aggressive(limit) to selective aggressive(N/L).  I hope you know that there's a difference between the two.

 

Secondly, I didn't have the AK under the gun.  My opponent did.  I was the player last to act.  I switched it up so instead of letting you play against my opponent, I let you play against me.

 

So he had AK and he bet 50 on the flop.  I raised him 200 total to see where he was.  When He made a minimum reraise, I knew that he wasn't that strong.  He reraised me because he didn't want to face a big bet from me on the turn.  So he asked me where I was at.  But he made a mistake by reraising the minimum.  I sit there and think, If he had a strong hand(2 pair or set), he would raise me more or push all in because there's a straight and flush draw out there. 

 

So I sit there and think, he must have only one pair.  But will he get off of it for 500?  So I decided to find out and put him all-in.  He sat there for a quite a moment and weakly called my all-in.  I had A10 and lost the hand.  Based on the responses from this thread and everybody I talked to(they all say they would fold to my all-in), I think I made a great move representing a set or 2 pair. 

haha that was a pretty tricky way to explain a hand, now knowing the knowledge you posted however i have one question. Why?

 

-He raised you utg so you have to assume at least an ace or a pocket pair, just an assumption off very basic basic poker knowledge and i know that when i am playing my A10 i am looking for flopping trips, broadway, two pair or the liking, especially vs an utg raiser.

 

-Anyway i dont think this was a good spot to make a play on the pot, this is kind of one of those spots were u need to have it or let it go, i know its easy to say after the fact but just hear me out.

 

-So you have the utg raiser, and weve narrowed down ahand range, he makes a follow up bet when the flop comes and this really means nothing to the hand because i know id probably follow up with any hand here just to try to take it down BUT, then you raise him from a late position to  200. Now what i am thinking at this point if i have a10, is that i really want to take the pot down here because i know that any player who raises me is probably going to either have me beat or be the favorite to come out ahead. However, this does not happen and i think this is where your plan flawed.

 

-I believe that when he reraises you here, even the minimum he is saying, (this is what i am going to infer based of the fact that you have never played with this guy, i found this to be true i nmy online poker career, not so much in my weekly homegames) i am not about to give up this hand, and i want to raise to keep control in the hand but i cant really tell where i am at. You were correct in your read that it was a scared raise and that he wasnt really looking for action but i just think you have to let a10 go here and wait for a better spot. Maybe ask him after what he had, saying you folded a pretty big hand to him and so you know what to expect when he makes a play like that.

 

-To be honest i wasnt as much surprised that you switched around the players as i was of the hand that you made this play with, i really dont like having a10 in this spot, although i dont really like to bluff either, but if i am about to risk 900+ in a pot, i want to make sure that if i get a call, i either have my hand made, or i have a big draw, like for example a10s or ajs which i stated in my previous post.

 

-In the long run, id say that if this guy continues to make these crying calls with AK he is going to get busted but to you i say that just because someone makes a minimum raise, it doesnt mean that they dont want action. I remember a pot that i played in this weekend, probably one of my best plays ever, not because of the amount i won but because my opponent had absolutely no idea of the strength of my hand. I have found that making the minimum raise is not nearly as bad of a play as it looks, if used in the right situation, it works well as a pot builder, a feeler bet, and also a value bet.

- Damn i was about to go to bed but then i think of this, which is really the key to the hand. The key to this really is, the villian's, for analysis purposes, feel for your mannerisms after the bet. This is why live poker is so much greater than online poker. If after he raised you, you sort of had a grimace on your face and then announced all in, he might get the hint that you didnt like the bet and would make calling with AK easier here. Also if you were acting strange after the bet or he just had picked something up since sitting at the table it could have influenced his play. The more i think about it now, it truly cant be analyzed by just betting patterns and numbers because honestly, reading that how could anyone think callin is right there? but if you saw the hand, the players, the mannerisms then it could indicate to make the call with AK there.

Colonel, I have to hand it to you that was a great way to post the hand.  If you had posted it with your AT every post here would call you a dumbass.  I think you had a great read here and a good play, but it was against the wrong player. 

 

By posting it this way you remind me of a question we need to ask in every hand that I forget about sometimes..  "What does my opponent think I have?"

 

Spoondiggidy makes a good point with the mini raise too, I use it a lot when I want to build the pot and keep someone in the hand.  It's usually looked at as weak and sometimes like a bluff but when used properly it can force somone to make a huge mistake.  It's a good way to trap someone if you want at least a call and your against a loose aggressive player. 

Obviously, this play is based on your perception of the willingness of this guy to lay down a good hand.  And you indicated you had never played with this guy before.  That would be my only criticism.  I analyzed the hand the way I did because I've seen your posts, Colonel.  I know how you play somewhat.  I know that you are not a renegade.  Hence I gave you credit for a bigger hand.  But did this guy know you played that way?  That would be my question.  You obviously felt he was capable of laying down a good hand or you wouldn't have made the play I guess.

 

Interesting way to explain a hand and a good exercise for all. 

Think of a scenario where the guy reraise the minimum and he has a monster.

 

let me rephrase:  think of a scenario where the guy reraises the minimum with top 2 or a set.  I bet you can't think of one.