A couple of poker pros gone busto
James, thanks for the info. You are by far the most knowledgeable player to grace this thread.
I have a question on #21. Can you expound further on the reverse free roll? There are times where I will bet in the situation that you just mentioned, i.e when I have a set, top two pair, etc. when there is an open ended straight draw or maybe even 4 to a flush at times when I am pretty sure my opponent was not on those draws. I strike first so he cannot bet to try to bluff me out of the pot. Is that what you were implying?
James, thanks for the info. You are by far the most knowledgeable player to grace this thread.
I have a question on #21. Can you expound further on the reverse free roll? There are times where I will bet in the situation that you just mentioned, i.e when I have a set, top two pair, etc. when there is an open ended straight draw or maybe even 4 to a flush at times when I am pretty sure my opponent was not on those draws. I strike first so he cannot bet to try to bluff me out of the pot. Is that what you were implying?
I agree and understand. I think the problem with trying to grasp poker skill is that there isnt another game/sport to really compare it to. No teams. Cant choose your weapon (no golf clubs, balls,pucks etc), you go into every hand not knowing what 2 cards you are going to look at. You dont know what "the score" is (wether your hand is the best), you have to deduce what the opponent has through various factors.
I am unsure if there is a ceiling to how good you can get, but the odds/luck part will cripple the best players in the world a good percentage of the time. Winning a poker hand doesnt mean you are better than the other guy. Rare game where a foolish move doesnt mean you will lose.
Kenny Rogers actually put it best in 1978 :
"Now Ev'ry gambler knows that the secret to survivin'
Is knowin' what to throw away and knowing what to keep.
'Cause ev'ry hand's a winner and ev'ry hand's a loser,
And the best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep."
Van![]()
I agree and understand. I think the problem with trying to grasp poker skill is that there isnt another game/sport to really compare it to. No teams. Cant choose your weapon (no golf clubs, balls,pucks etc), you go into every hand not knowing what 2 cards you are going to look at. You dont know what "the score" is (wether your hand is the best), you have to deduce what the opponent has through various factors.
I am unsure if there is a ceiling to how good you can get, but the odds/luck part will cripple the best players in the world a good percentage of the time. Winning a poker hand doesnt mean you are better than the other guy. Rare game where a foolish move doesnt mean you will lose.
Kenny Rogers actually put it best in 1978 :
"Now Ev'ry gambler knows that the secret to survivin'
Is knowin' what to throw away and knowing what to keep.
'Cause ev'ry hand's a winner and ev'ry hand's a loser,
And the best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep."
Van![]()
bling when u last to act and bet a set on a 4 flush brd and i raise u where r u?
bling when u last to act and bet a set on a 4 flush brd and i raise u where r u?
Thanks for the reply. In my example, I would bet to prevent him from going all-in on a bluff forcing me to fold. Under the gun I would bet something I would be willing to lose (and make it seem like I am trying to get him to call), and if he re-raises I most likely fold because I am 90% sure my read was wrong and he made his hand. If I do nothing, he knows I most likely don't have the flush or straight and may go all in to steal the pot, knowing I can only call if I made it.
Thanks for the reply. In my example, I would bet to prevent him from going all-in on a bluff forcing me to fold. Under the gun I would bet something I would be willing to lose (and make it seem like I am trying to get him to call), and if he re-raises I most likely fold because I am 90% sure my read was wrong and he made his hand. If I do nothing, he knows I most likely don't have the flush or straight and may go all in to steal the pot, knowing I can only call if I made it.
Thanks for the reply. In my example, I would bet to prevent him from going all-in on a bluff forcing me to fold. Under the gun I would bet something I would be willing to lose (and make it seem like I am trying to get him to call), and if he re-raises I most likely fold because I am 90% sure my read was wrong and he made his hand. If I do nothing, he knows I most likely don't have the flush or straight and may go all in to steal the pot, knowing I can only call if I made it.
Thanks for the reply. In my example, I would bet to prevent him from going all-in on a bluff forcing me to fold. Under the gun I would bet something I would be willing to lose (and make it seem like I am trying to get him to call), and if he re-raises I most likely fold because I am 90% sure my read was wrong and he made his hand. If I do nothing, he knows I most likely don't have the flush or straight and may go all in to steal the pot, knowing I can only call if I made it.
But your only evidence is YOUR opinion.......I guess you still believe full tilt was on the level.....
The lowlifes in the poker world , I'm sorry , the poker "pros" would NEVER be involved in any chicanery.
I've got a nice bridge for sale
But your only evidence is YOUR opinion.......I guess you still believe full tilt was on the level.....
The lowlifes in the poker world , I'm sorry , the poker "pros" would NEVER be involved in any chicanery.
I've got a nice bridge for sale
So what you're saying is that its harder to play poker because you dont get to choose your "weapon". In baseball you get to pick your bat and you know exactly where the ball is coming from.....now lets see how good batters would be if the randomly got handed a bat of any length and/or weight and the there are 3 pitchers, one of which will be throwing the ball.....Baseball is a "god given" talent.....Poker is 1/2 & 1/2, the math and situations can be learned, but instinct is innate...
The "skill" in poker isnt the cards you get to play, its how you play them.
Come on people. ![]()
So what you're saying is that its harder to play poker because you dont get to choose your "weapon". In baseball you get to pick your bat and you know exactly where the ball is coming from.....now lets see how good batters would be if the randomly got handed a bat of any length and/or weight and the there are 3 pitchers, one of which will be throwing the ball.....Baseball is a "god given" talent.....Poker is 1/2 & 1/2, the math and situations can be learned, but instinct is innate...
The "skill" in poker isnt the cards you get to play, its how you play them.
Come on people. ![]()
I've read every word in this thread - and others....
And still maintain that poker is a "threshold" skill, and that the vig eventually chews everyone up unless there are enough "guppies" in the water.
2000-2006 = tons of guppies
2006-2013 = not enough guppies
Stay tuned...
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I've read every word in this thread - and others....
And still maintain that poker is a "threshold" skill, and that the vig eventually chews everyone up unless there are enough "guppies" in the water.
2000-2006 = tons of guppies
2006-2013 = not enough guppies
Stay tuned...
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So what you're saying is that its harder to play poker because you dont get to choose your "weapon". In baseball you get to pick your bat and you know exactly where the ball is coming from.....now lets see how good batters would be if the randomly got handed a bat of any length and/or weight and the there are 3 pitchers, one of which will be throwing the ball.....Baseball is a "god given" talent.....Poker is 1/2 & 1/2, the math and situations can be learned, but instinct is innate...
The "skill" in poker isnt the cards you get to play, its how you play them.
Come on people. ![]()
EVERY other sport , for lack of a better term, the competitor controls the outcome direcvtly ( bat ,pitch ,pass ,run etc)
Poker would be like swinging a bat blindfolded....
So what you're saying is that its harder to play poker because you dont get to choose your "weapon". In baseball you get to pick your bat and you know exactly where the ball is coming from.....now lets see how good batters would be if the randomly got handed a bat of any length and/or weight and the there are 3 pitchers, one of which will be throwing the ball.....Baseball is a "god given" talent.....Poker is 1/2 & 1/2, the math and situations can be learned, but instinct is innate...
The "skill" in poker isnt the cards you get to play, its how you play them.
Come on people. ![]()
EVERY other sport , for lack of a better term, the competitor controls the outcome direcvtly ( bat ,pitch ,pass ,run etc)
Poker would be like swinging a bat blindfolded....
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