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    Why handicappers have such a rough time breaking fifty percent.

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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 1:19 PM ET #51

    I have had Direct TV for the last 12 years or so and I watch easily 9+ hours of football every sunday and every monday/thursday night game if it warrants me watching.

    That being said, that doesnt neccesarily make me a good handicapper, just someone who knows a lot about football.

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    I have had Direct TV for the last 12 years or so and I watch easily 9+ hours of football every sunday and every monday/thursday night game if it warrants me watching.

    That being said, that doesnt neccesarily make me a good handicapper, just someone who knows a lot about football.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 1:20 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaufee:

    Let me summarize this for you: Most people don't have a problem picking winners. The real difference between a sharp and a square is disciplined money management, shopping for the best lines, and not chasing. Gamble with these three things in mind and you can win (long term) too.
     admittedly, 3 very strong pieces of the pie that MUST be followed to even survive the long term....but it has NOTHING to do with being a sharp or a square... those traits have everything to do with surviving ... Peace 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaufee:

    Let me summarize this for you: Most people don't have a problem picking winners. The real difference between a sharp and a square is disciplined money management, shopping for the best lines, and not chasing. Gamble with these three things in mind and you can win (long term) too.
     admittedly, 3 very strong pieces of the pie that MUST be followed to even survive the long term....but it has NOTHING to do with being a sharp or a square... those traits have everything to do with surviving ... Peace 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 1:22 PM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by earthWake:

    I have had Direct TV for the last 12 years or so and I watch easily 9+ hours of football every sunday and every monday/thursday night game if it warrants me watching.

    That being said, that doesnt neccesarily make me a good handicapper, just someone who knows a lot about football.

     Read the post.... never said watching alone is all that is needed.... kinda confused here 
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    Quote Originally Posted by earthWake:

    I have had Direct TV for the last 12 years or so and I watch easily 9+ hours of football every sunday and every monday/thursday night game if it warrants me watching.

    That being said, that doesnt neccesarily make me a good handicapper, just someone who knows a lot about football.

     Read the post.... never said watching alone is all that is needed.... kinda confused here 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 1:24 PM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by coolfool:

    like how he points out san fran @ baltimore but leaves out green bay destroying the lions, patriots destroying the eagles, new orleans destroying the lions.. and more 'square' easy wins...
     yep.. you are right...ride with 'Joe Public' hard and heavy....that should get you there my friend ...GL 
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolfool:

    like how he points out san fran @ baltimore but leaves out green bay destroying the lions, patriots destroying the eagles, new orleans destroying the lions.. and more 'square' easy wins...
     yep.. you are right...ride with 'Joe Public' hard and heavy....that should get you there my friend ...GL 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 1:26 PM ET #55

    Quote Originally Posted by ethanhiiep:

    kscapping what are you think about tonite? 

    Capped the shit out of this one, and leaning on no play gm...possible shot in the second half depending on how it rolls first half...but looking for a couple of things to place before game time...I will post before hand if I play it...peace 
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanhiiep:

    kscapping what are you think about tonite? 

    Capped the shit out of this one, and leaning on no play gm...possible shot in the second half depending on how it rolls first half...but looking for a couple of things to place before game time...I will post before hand if I play it...peace 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 1:26 PM ET #56

    Quote Originally Posted by KScapping:


    READ THIS POSTED REPLY ABOVE...if you don't want to put in the required work, the absolute best 'SYSTEM" you could use is find someone with a hate spewing demeanor like Swish" and fade every opinion...their attitude is hateful because they are losing all of their money....they naturally find losing plays w/ unexplainable accuracy....not hating, just calling it real   GL 

    Biggest overreaction of the year, i merely disagreed with you and think you need to pipe down on beating your chest telling everyone how to bet and how to be successful when you dont have a proven track record yourself. 




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    Quote Originally Posted by KScapping:


    READ THIS POSTED REPLY ABOVE...if you don't want to put in the required work, the absolute best 'SYSTEM" you could use is find someone with a hate spewing demeanor like Swish" and fade every opinion...their attitude is hateful because they are losing all of their money....they naturally find losing plays w/ unexplainable accuracy....not hating, just calling it real   GL 

    Biggest overreaction of the year, i merely disagreed with you and think you need to pipe down on beating your chest telling everyone how to bet and how to be successful when you dont have a proven track record yourself. 




     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 1:31 PM ET #57

    I was just responding to the fact that you said some people only watch 2 or 3 games on sunday. Thats absurd to me.

    You didn't really NEED to post all that info.

    In short, you could have said.

    Squares are people who use public info and sharps are people who dig for information.

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    I was just responding to the fact that you said some people only watch 2 or 3 games on sunday. Thats absurd to me.

    You didn't really NEED to post all that info.

    In short, you could have said.

    Squares are people who use public info and sharps are people who dig for information.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 1:34 PM ET #58

    I think I consider myself half sharp / half square.

    Sometimes I get sucked into bets where I use public info that sometimes win, but sometimes lose.

    However I think I am part sharp because I have a knack for identifying good teams who are getting value before the public and linemakers do. (i.e. Riding Tebow the last 5 weeks and getting paid where there was a lot of value)

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    I think I consider myself half sharp / half square.

    Sometimes I get sucked into bets where I use public info that sometimes win, but sometimes lose.

    However I think I am part sharp because I have a knack for identifying good teams who are getting value before the public and linemakers do. (i.e. Riding Tebow the last 5 weeks and getting paid where there was a lot of value)

     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 1:40 PM ET #59

    Quote Originally Posted by SwishSwish1234:


    Biggest overreaction of the year, i merely disagreed with you and think you need to pipe down on beating your chest telling everyone how to bet and how to be successful when you dont have a proven track record yourself. 

      think about it SWISH... everyone knows a hyper negative person that is irritating to be around, but no one, NO ONE thinks it is them.... I did not once say I am this or that... I just referenced a write up I posted... I only posted incontestable information to help make people think/improve and you come-a-hating.... step outside yourself... YOU are the NEGATIVE force the brings everyone around you down....



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    Quote Originally Posted by SwishSwish1234:


    Biggest overreaction of the year, i merely disagreed with you and think you need to pipe down on beating your chest telling everyone how to bet and how to be successful when you dont have a proven track record yourself. 

      think about it SWISH... everyone knows a hyper negative person that is irritating to be around, but no one, NO ONE thinks it is them.... I did not once say I am this or that... I just referenced a write up I posted... I only posted incontestable information to help make people think/improve and you come-a-hating.... step outside yourself... YOU are the NEGATIVE force the brings everyone around you down....



     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 1:43 PM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by earthWake:

    I was just responding to the fact that you said some people only watch 2 or 3 games on sunday. Thats absurd to me.

    You didn't really NEED to post all that info.

    In short, you could have said.

    Squares are people who use public info and sharps are people who dig for information.


    I don't claim to be the world's best communicator (or W.B. anything actually)... but if someone is investing their money weekly, and not even being willing to pay the nominal amount needed to be able to pick and choose which games they are studying and leaving that to the networks decision...that is an issue by my view anyway...peace
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    Quote Originally Posted by earthWake:

    I was just responding to the fact that you said some people only watch 2 or 3 games on sunday. Thats absurd to me.

    You didn't really NEED to post all that info.

    In short, you could have said.

    Squares are people who use public info and sharps are people who dig for information.


    I don't claim to be the world's best communicator (or W.B. anything actually)... but if someone is investing their money weekly, and not even being willing to pay the nominal amount needed to be able to pick and choose which games they are studying and leaving that to the networks decision...that is an issue by my view anyway...peace
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 1:44 PM ET #61

    Quote Originally Posted by earthWake:

    I think I consider myself half sharp / half square.

    Sometimes I get sucked into bets where I use public info that sometimes win, but sometimes lose.

    However I think I am part sharp because I have a knack for identifying good teams who are getting value before the public and linemakers do. (i.e. Riding Tebow the last 5 weeks and getting paid where there was a lot of value)

     wish I had that intangible.... minus hard work...I'd go broke lol   Peace 
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    Quote Originally Posted by earthWake:

    I think I consider myself half sharp / half square.

    Sometimes I get sucked into bets where I use public info that sometimes win, but sometimes lose.

    However I think I am part sharp because I have a knack for identifying good teams who are getting value before the public and linemakers do. (i.e. Riding Tebow the last 5 weeks and getting paid where there was a lot of value)

     wish I had that intangible.... minus hard work...I'd go broke lol   Peace 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 2:04 PM ET #63

    Quote Originally Posted by SwishSwish1234:


    Biggest overreaction of the year, i merely disagreed with you and think you need to pipe down on beating your chest telling everyone how to bet and how to be successful when you dont have a proven track record yourself. 


    I spent 5 mins looking up recent posts of your... you don't even know how much you are attracted to the Negative... recent posts from you (and pardon me if I am not overly concerned by a negative, mean spirited, racist, hate monger er such as you)

    your recent posts:
     Are you obsessed with the guy?? This is like the 15th thread you have made about Tebow

    I think God is okay with whites and blacks marrying just not gays 

    he said because its fashionable in the black community Chris Brown etc which brings me back to my earlier question do black people want to look white??? 

    Yeah but i dont think his was due to black fashion he was just a weird punk in general.

    Nicky Minaj is a wannabe white chick 

    People say my avatar is disturbing...they need to take a ganda at his

    BMA correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't the black chick in Sugababes??

    How that prick has a job on T.V. is beyond me

    That oriental chick was hotter than 2 blonde chicks kissing with tongues, damn




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    Quote Originally Posted by SwishSwish1234:


    Biggest overreaction of the year, i merely disagreed with you and think you need to pipe down on beating your chest telling everyone how to bet and how to be successful when you dont have a proven track record yourself. 


    I spent 5 mins looking up recent posts of your... you don't even know how much you are attracted to the Negative... recent posts from you (and pardon me if I am not overly concerned by a negative, mean spirited, racist, hate monger er such as you)

    your recent posts:
     Are you obsessed with the guy?? This is like the 15th thread you have made about Tebow

    I think God is okay with whites and blacks marrying just not gays 

    he said because its fashionable in the black community Chris Brown etc which brings me back to my earlier question do black people want to look white??? 

    Yeah but i dont think his was due to black fashion he was just a weird punk in general.

    Nicky Minaj is a wannabe white chick 

    People say my avatar is disturbing...they need to take a ganda at his

    BMA correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't the black chick in Sugababes??

    How that prick has a job on T.V. is beyond me

    That oriental chick was hotter than 2 blonde chicks kissing with tongues, damn




     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 2:16 PM ET #64

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niners13:

    You will never hit 60% + in the nfl long term.

    I could hit 60% easy in the NFL
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    You will never hit 60% + in the nfl long term.

    I could hit 60% easy in the NFL
     
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    you sure had me on the Sooners
    Call me a square
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    you sure had me on the Sooners
    Call me a square
    Good Read
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 2:29 PM ET #68

    so who the fuck  do you like tonight?

    You gonna post a pic?

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    so who the fuck  do you like tonight?

    You gonna post a pic?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluefin:

    so who the fuck  do you like tonight?

    You gonna post a pic?

    If I play it I will post it ...promise 
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    so who the fuck  do you like tonight?

    You gonna post a pic?

    If I play it I will post it ...promise 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KScapping:

    If I play it I will post it ...promise 



    Everybody listen up. Quit all the hate. We are all on the same team. The books are our enemy not each other. KS is telling it like it is. I lost my ass last year in this business, bad advice and bad money management. My fault. KS helped me get a few bucks back and I hope to continue with him when I my bank roll is back. He was just bringing up the point that most of us who try do this, in his opinion fail because we don't want to put the work in and he is right. Hope you are well KS. Havn't been in for a while, but wanted to say hi.
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    Everybody listen up. Quit all the hate. We are all on the same team. The books are our enemy not each other. KS is telling it like it is. I lost my ass last year in this business, bad advice and bad money management. My fault. KS helped me get a few bucks back and I hope to continue with him when I my bank roll is back. He was just bringing up the point that most of us who try do this, in his opinion fail because we don't want to put the work in and he is right. Hope you are well KS. Havn't been in for a while, but wanted to say hi.
     
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    Chargers tonight from a square




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    Quote Originally Posted by GLASSESGUY:




    Everybody listen up. Quit all the hate. We are all on the same team. The books are our enemy not each other. KS is telling it like it is. I lost my ass last year in this business, bad advice and bad money management. My fault. KS helped me get a few bucks back and I hope to continue with him when I my bank roll is back. He was just bringing up the point that most of us who try do this, in his opinion fail because we don't want to put the work in and he is right. Hope you are well KS. Havn't been in for a while, but wanted to say hi.

    hey thanks for the love Glass... I hope all is well with you and the family.... you deserve good things and I am certain the future holds that for you....I am positive of it.  
    You will never stop the hate; some people need it.  What I can be smarter about is not feeding it... ok... that is it..I have just committed my discipline to not 'punching back'.... done...   

    Peace and much respect to you brutha..... look forward to having you back on board in the future! 
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    Everybody listen up. Quit all the hate. We are all on the same team. The books are our enemy not each other. KS is telling it like it is. I lost my ass last year in this business, bad advice and bad money management. My fault. KS helped me get a few bucks back and I hope to continue with him when I my bank roll is back. He was just bringing up the point that most of us who try do this, in his opinion fail because we don't want to put the work in and he is right. Hope you are well KS. Havn't been in for a while, but wanted to say hi.

    hey thanks for the love Glass... I hope all is well with you and the family.... you deserve good things and I am certain the future holds that for you....I am positive of it.  
    You will never stop the hate; some people need it.  What I can be smarter about is not feeding it... ok... that is it..I have just committed my discipline to not 'punching back'.... done...   

    Peace and much respect to you brutha..... look forward to having you back on board in the future! 
     
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    KS, got to agree with ya on this one. 99% of the people on here (whether they admit or not) are squares including myself. Some have actual lives, families, jobs, hobbies, ect. ect. that will keep them from putting forth the effort you mention. Most mean well and post their picks based on their knowledge of the game not on the handicapping you speak of. I guess its alot like a sports bar in here where everyone has an opinion based on their belief they know a certain team better than the next guy and that is why this team will win of lose. Some will pull stats out of their ass, others have trends that never lose and thats what this site is all about. Hopefully you can use some of that info to form your reasoning on betting a team but non of that is actual handicapping. Its all innocent and fun but some feel just because they played the game in high school or college that their opinions have more weight to it. They hate to be proven wrong on a pick and most of that is due to the fact they never really handicapped the game the way you brought up. I myself wager on a team i feel i know best and the division their in. A handicapper i am not just a gambler who wins some and loses some. GL in the future KS and to those who admit their just like me. A wanna be handicapper.
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    KS, got to agree with ya on this one. 99% of the people on here (whether they admit or not) are squares including myself. Some have actual lives, families, jobs, hobbies, ect. ect. that will keep them from putting forth the effort you mention. Most mean well and post their picks based on their knowledge of the game not on the handicapping you speak of. I guess its alot like a sports bar in here where everyone has an opinion based on their belief they know a certain team better than the next guy and that is why this team will win of lose. Some will pull stats out of their ass, others have trends that never lose and thats what this site is all about. Hopefully you can use some of that info to form your reasoning on betting a team but non of that is actual handicapping. Its all innocent and fun but some feel just because they played the game in high school or college that their opinions have more weight to it. They hate to be proven wrong on a pick and most of that is due to the fact they never really handicapped the game the way you brought up. I myself wager on a team i feel i know best and the division their in. A handicapper i am not just a gambler who wins some and loses some. GL in the future KS and to those who admit their just like me. A wanna be handicapper.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by golfing123:

    KS, got to agree with ya on this one. 99% of the people on here (whether they admit or not) are squares including myself. Some have actual lives, families, jobs, hobbies, ect. ect. that will keep them from putting forth the effort you mention. Most mean well and post their picks based on their knowledge of the game not on the handicapping you speak of. I guess its alot like a sports bar in here where everyone has an opinion based on their belief they know a certain team better than the next guy and that is why this team will win of lose. Some will pull stats out of their ass, others have trends that never lose and thats what this site is all about. Hopefully you can use some of that info to form your reasoning on betting a team but non of that is actual handicapping. Its all innocent and fun but some feel just because they played the game in high school or college that their opinions have more weight to it. They hate to be proven wrong on a pick and most of that is due to the fact they never really handicapped the game the way you brought up. I myself wager on a team i feel i know best and the division their in. A handicapper i am not just a gambler who wins some and loses some. GL in the future KS and to those who admit their just like me. A wanna be handicapper.

    Excellent point, great insight, realism @ it's finest, and on target.  If people picked ONE game to play for a week b/c they don't have the time to dedicate to 15 games... they could pull it off.  Not many like--or want to be like myself (I have a dog 'Willie' that is my nearly sole companion... no woman will put up with my time in capping, family--barely have time to call them.)  'normal' people want/need human companionship....me? means little to nothing...as long as I have Willie lol.......... peace to you my friend, and BoL
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    KS, got to agree with ya on this one. 99% of the people on here (whether they admit or not) are squares including myself. Some have actual lives, families, jobs, hobbies, ect. ect. that will keep them from putting forth the effort you mention. Most mean well and post their picks based on their knowledge of the game not on the handicapping you speak of. I guess its alot like a sports bar in here where everyone has an opinion based on their belief they know a certain team better than the next guy and that is why this team will win of lose. Some will pull stats out of their ass, others have trends that never lose and thats what this site is all about. Hopefully you can use some of that info to form your reasoning on betting a team but non of that is actual handicapping. Its all innocent and fun but some feel just because they played the game in high school or college that their opinions have more weight to it. They hate to be proven wrong on a pick and most of that is due to the fact they never really handicapped the game the way you brought up. I myself wager on a team i feel i know best and the division their in. A handicapper i am not just a gambler who wins some and loses some. GL in the future KS and to those who admit their just like me. A wanna be handicapper.

    Excellent point, great insight, realism @ it's finest, and on target.  If people picked ONE game to play for a week b/c they don't have the time to dedicate to 15 games... they could pull it off.  Not many like--or want to be like myself (I have a dog 'Willie' that is my nearly sole companion... no woman will put up with my time in capping, family--barely have time to call them.)  'normal' people want/need human companionship....me? means little to nothing...as long as I have Willie lol.......... peace to you my friend, and BoL
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KScapping:


    hey thanks for the love Glass... I hope all is well with you and the family.... you deserve good things and I am certain the future holds that for you....I am positive of it.  
    You will never stop the hate; some people need it.  What I can be smarter about is not feeding it... ok... that is it..I have just committed my discipline to not 'punching back'.... done...   

    Peace and much respect to you brutha..... look forward to having you back on board in the future! 



    I am looking forward to getting back on track so we can pick up where we left off. WINNING. Master Chief.

    About the Haters and your committed discipline, just do what you do with a smile and let them destroy themselves emotionally and financially. A wise man told me a tiger cannot change his stripes. I pose the same question to you as you did to me. Can you change your stripes? Peace Bro
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    hey thanks for the love Glass... I hope all is well with you and the family.... you deserve good things and I am certain the future holds that for you....I am positive of it.  
    You will never stop the hate; some people need it.  What I can be smarter about is not feeding it... ok... that is it..I have just committed my discipline to not 'punching back'.... done...   

    Peace and much respect to you brutha..... look forward to having you back on board in the future! 



    I am looking forward to getting back on track so we can pick up where we left off. WINNING. Master Chief.

    About the Haters and your committed discipline, just do what you do with a smile and let them destroy themselves emotionally and financially. A wise man told me a tiger cannot change his stripes. I pose the same question to you as you did to me. Can you change your stripes? Peace Bro
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