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    Why handicappers have such a rough time breaking fifty percent.

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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2011 - 11:08 PM ET #176

    Quote Originally Posted by BMadoff1987:


    The guy is an egotistical psychopath by every definition of it. I don't know how well you can read but I wasn't hating on his picks whatsoever. The fact that he said most bettors are squares and will not reach 50% (insulting most the people on here who just blindly follow hot cappers) ****(you)***** and then offering no real advice to help those that "will not reach 50%" just shows he doesn't give a shit about others winning. I don't know whether your love story is true or not and if it is I am glad for you, but this post in its entirety is just ludicrous. I honestly don't know why I am still responding other than the sheer fact that I feel like I should look out for the casual bettor who seems mostly to be in his corner. This is a tout in the making and if you can't tell then you do deserve to be burned.


    Ok bro, just for kicks I will respond. egotistical psychopath is your words. Why can't he just be a confident capper. Whats with the name calling. Don't blame the guy for calling like it is. If he didnt want to help, why is he posting picks. Which bye the way are winning. Who made you the Covers police department for watching out for squares. If being called a name upsets you, you friend are in the wrong business. KS has done nothing but good for Covers. He did help me despite your doubts and will continue to help others. I was down 50k last year and it was all my fault. KS never put me a position where I was going to loose my bankroll. How you can say he doesn't give a shit, makes no sense since you don't even know the guy. Yes he probably will charge for plays in the future if decides to make his capping a business. But why not if you are good at something and can share it with people for a fee, you would do it to. Just don't judge a book by a few threads. Good luck to you and your picks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BMadoff1987:


    The guy is an egotistical psychopath by every definition of it. I don't know how well you can read but I wasn't hating on his picks whatsoever. The fact that he said most bettors are squares and will not reach 50% (insulting most the people on here who just blindly follow hot cappers) ****(you)***** and then offering no real advice to help those that "will not reach 50%" just shows he doesn't give a shit about others winning. I don't know whether your love story is true or not and if it is I am glad for you, but this post in its entirety is just ludicrous. I honestly don't know why I am still responding other than the sheer fact that I feel like I should look out for the casual bettor who seems mostly to be in his corner. This is a tout in the making and if you can't tell then you do deserve to be burned.


    Ok bro, just for kicks I will respond. egotistical psychopath is your words. Why can't he just be a confident capper. Whats with the name calling. Don't blame the guy for calling like it is. If he didnt want to help, why is he posting picks. Which bye the way are winning. Who made you the Covers police department for watching out for squares. If being called a name upsets you, you friend are in the wrong business. KS has done nothing but good for Covers. He did help me despite your doubts and will continue to help others. I was down 50k last year and it was all my fault. KS never put me a position where I was going to loose my bankroll. How you can say he doesn't give a shit, makes no sense since you don't even know the guy. Yes he probably will charge for plays in the future if decides to make his capping a business. But why not if you are good at something and can share it with people for a fee, you would do it to. Just don't judge a book by a few threads. Good luck to you and your picks.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2011 - 11:20 PM ET #177

          For me it is simple. You want to make money don't bet the NFL. If top vegas cappers who do this for a living can barely hit 60% and most do worse. How is a capper who has a life outside of capping going to do consistently better.

         Bottom line is there are only 16 games for the odd makers to set lines for and they have all week to adjust lines etc.

          For myself I started seriously betting and capping College basketball about 5 years ago and wondered why I didn't start sooner. Trust me it is a lot easier to find a bad line in college basketball  to take advantage of with so many games each week. There are a lot less variables to fuck up your point spread play also.

        They say in one nfl game there are between 25 to 30 crucial plays that can effect the point spead to go either way. Can you fucken believe that and were trying to handicap that shit. So why do we play, is the nfl sexier, more popular, because everyone else it getting in on the action.

         Well this year I have played less of my bankroll on the nfl and have chosen to let it ride were I have more success.

       Good luck to all

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          For me it is simple. You want to make money don't bet the NFL. If top vegas cappers who do this for a living can barely hit 60% and most do worse. How is a capper who has a life outside of capping going to do consistently better.

         Bottom line is there are only 16 games for the odd makers to set lines for and they have all week to adjust lines etc.

          For myself I started seriously betting and capping College basketball about 5 years ago and wondered why I didn't start sooner. Trust me it is a lot easier to find a bad line in college basketball  to take advantage of with so many games each week. There are a lot less variables to fuck up your point spread play also.

        They say in one nfl game there are between 25 to 30 crucial plays that can effect the point spead to go either way. Can you fucken believe that and were trying to handicap that shit. So why do we play, is the nfl sexier, more popular, because everyone else it getting in on the action.

         Well this year I have played less of my bankroll on the nfl and have chosen to let it ride were I have more success.

       Good luck to all

     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2011 - 11:46 PM ET #178

    fantastic write up , well thought out and well stated- salutes from the tar heel state  thanks for takin the time
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    fantastic write up , well thought out and well stated- salutes from the tar heel state  thanks for takin the time
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2011 - 11:53 PM ET #179

    Quote Originally Posted by BMadoff1987:


    The guy is an egotistical psychopath by every definition of it. I don't know how well you can read but I wasn't hating on his picks whatsoever. The fact that he said most bettors are squares and will not reach 50% (insulting most the people on here who just blindly follow hot cappers) ****(you)***** and then offering no real advice to help those that "will not reach 50%" just shows he doesn't give a shit about others winning. I don't know whether your love story is true or not and if it is I am glad for you, but this post in its entirety is just ludicrous. I honestly don't know why I am still responding other than the sheer fact that I feel like I should look out for the casual bettor who seems mostly to be in his corner. This is a tout in the making and if you can't tell then you do deserve to be burned.
     lol...dude...why be bothered by it then...just go on to the next post...lol... wow
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    Quote Originally Posted by BMadoff1987:


    The guy is an egotistical psychopath by every definition of it. I don't know how well you can read but I wasn't hating on his picks whatsoever. The fact that he said most bettors are squares and will not reach 50% (insulting most the people on here who just blindly follow hot cappers) ****(you)***** and then offering no real advice to help those that "will not reach 50%" just shows he doesn't give a shit about others winning. I don't know whether your love story is true or not and if it is I am glad for you, but this post in its entirety is just ludicrous. I honestly don't know why I am still responding other than the sheer fact that I feel like I should look out for the casual bettor who seems mostly to be in his corner. This is a tout in the making and if you can't tell then you do deserve to be burned.
     lol...dude...why be bothered by it then...just go on to the next post...lol... wow
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2011 - 11:58 PM ET #180

    Quote Originally Posted by darien123:

          For me it is simple. You want to make money don't bet the NFL. If top vegas cappers who do this for a living can barely hit 60% and most do worse. How is a capper who has a life outside of capping going to do consistently better.

         Bottom line is there are only 16 games for the odd makers to set lines for and they have all week to adjust lines etc.

          For myself I started seriously betting and capping College basketball about 5 years ago and wondered why I didn't start sooner. Trust me it is a lot easier to find a bad line in college basketball  to take advantage of with so many games each week. There are a lot less variables to fuck up your point spread play also.

        They say in one nfl game there are between 25 to 30 crucial plays that can effect the point spead to go either way. Can you fucken believe that and were trying to handicap that shit. So why do we play, is the nfl sexier, more popular, because everyone else it getting in on the action.

         Well this year I have played less of my bankroll on the nfl and have chosen to let it ride were I have more success.

       Good luck to all


    hey man.. 52.38% is the break even point @ -110.... with a healthy bankroll 62% is a nice profit ...jus sayin...GL 2 U 
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    Quote Originally Posted by darien123:

          For me it is simple. You want to make money don't bet the NFL. If top vegas cappers who do this for a living can barely hit 60% and most do worse. How is a capper who has a life outside of capping going to do consistently better.

         Bottom line is there are only 16 games for the odd makers to set lines for and they have all week to adjust lines etc.

          For myself I started seriously betting and capping College basketball about 5 years ago and wondered why I didn't start sooner. Trust me it is a lot easier to find a bad line in college basketball  to take advantage of with so many games each week. There are a lot less variables to fuck up your point spread play also.

        They say in one nfl game there are between 25 to 30 crucial plays that can effect the point spead to go either way. Can you fucken believe that and were trying to handicap that shit. So why do we play, is the nfl sexier, more popular, because everyone else it getting in on the action.

         Well this year I have played less of my bankroll on the nfl and have chosen to let it ride were I have more success.

       Good luck to all


    hey man.. 52.38% is the break even point @ -110.... with a healthy bankroll 62% is a nice profit ...jus sayin...GL 2 U 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2011 - 12:00 AM ET #181

    Quote Originally Posted by nc1capper:

    fantastic write up , well thought out and well stated- salutes from the tar heel state  thanks for takin the time

    obviously, you do not suffer from an inferiority complex a few responders on here ....it was intended to help people make more, and lose less....but some people just don't want their issues repaired (we ALL have issues to repair, or we would be winning 100%)..... GL 2 U 
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    Quote Originally Posted by nc1capper:

    fantastic write up , well thought out and well stated- salutes from the tar heel state  thanks for takin the time

    obviously, you do not suffer from an inferiority complex a few responders on here ....it was intended to help people make more, and lose less....but some people just don't want their issues repaired (we ALL have issues to repair, or we would be winning 100%)..... GL 2 U 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2011 - 12:02 AM ET #182

    Quote Originally Posted by Damix:

    You need to stop insulting people for betting the way they do, either they are pro or amateur. 
    My problem is you insulting people because of the way they bet. 
    Why insult them in the first place, you could of approached this subject with better manner and professionalism, rather than this hidden disguised insult/advice.
    ok...done wasting my time on you; much better uses of my time, believe me.... run along and bother another
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damix:

    You need to stop insulting people for betting the way they do, either they are pro or amateur. 
    My problem is you insulting people because of the way they bet. 
    Why insult them in the first place, you could of approached this subject with better manner and professionalism, rather than this hidden disguised insult/advice.
    ok...done wasting my time on you; much better uses of my time, believe me.... run along and bother another
     
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    the NFL is by far the hardest sport to beat.  that is because(whoever said it first), it's the sexiest sport, and they have the least amount of games per week and the most time to gather their information.  i prefer to bet NBA, NCAAB, NCAAF, and MLB and have WAY more success there.  i do bet NFL and do well, but my best sport by far is NBA followed closely by NCAAF and NCAAB.  you nailed it best, the sportsbooks don't have as much time to set sharp lines when there are 20-50 games every single day.  i love to bet totals, first half totals, and 2nd half plays. that has been my key to success.  don't get me wrong, there are games in the NFL every single week that are easy to call, but the main thing that i use to handicap games are the 2 M's; Motivation and Momentum.  A good friend taught me that about 4 years ago to look first at those two things before you look at anything, and you will be much more successful in the long run. 

    to anyone that hates on proffesional handicappers, or touts, whatever you wanna call them, why don't you go into work tommorow, and tell your boss that you are great at what you do, and you'd like to give him back your salary and do it for free.  now, i've never used a tout myself, and i don't suggest doing it, just like i don't use a financial company to handle my investments, it's because i do my own homework, and i'd much rather be responsible for my own money.  but bottom line you can't hate on somebody for making a profit off of something they are good at, because if i'm not mistaken(which i'm not), that is what our entire country has been based on, CAPITALISM, and if you don't agree with the way we do things in america, then move to canada or some socialist country where the government controls everything.

    seriously, the only advice that i would give to anyone reading this thread or anyone at all on this site that is not winning on a long-term basis, is to either put in work, look at momentum & motivation, or stop.  unless you like giving your money away. i love sports, i love playing sports, i love watching sports, and i love betting on sports, but that doesn't justify me giving my money away.  ever since i was taught money management, and how to look at a team's mindset first and foremost, i have increased my winning percentage to a point where i can confidently wager on every single play without thinking twice.  we all get on cold streaks, we all get on hot streaks, but obviously no one play should ever make or break you. 

    i hope everyone reading this thread seriously takes a look at their bankroll and their winning percentage and takes some of this advice seriously because YOU CAN WIN betting sports.  i'm not claiming to be hitting 70%+ of my wagers because that is impossible long term, but let's just say i can't complain at all. 

    good luck to everyone on here, this site is supposed to be about helping each other beat the book, and not about who's got the biggest dick.  let's all be positive, and share positive information so we can all WIN MONEY.  that's what this all boils down to.  if you're not doing well, there are plenty of handicappers on this site that are doing well, and that share their plays with you every single day without asking for a penny.  i don't see how that's a bad thing at all. 

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    the NFL is by far the hardest sport to beat.  that is because(whoever said it first), it's the sexiest sport, and they have the least amount of games per week and the most time to gather their information.  i prefer to bet NBA, NCAAB, NCAAF, and MLB and have WAY more success there.  i do bet NFL and do well, but my best sport by far is NBA followed closely by NCAAF and NCAAB.  you nailed it best, the sportsbooks don't have as much time to set sharp lines when there are 20-50 games every single day.  i love to bet totals, first half totals, and 2nd half plays. that has been my key to success.  don't get me wrong, there are games in the NFL every single week that are easy to call, but the main thing that i use to handicap games are the 2 M's; Motivation and Momentum.  A good friend taught me that about 4 years ago to look first at those two things before you look at anything, and you will be much more successful in the long run. 

    to anyone that hates on proffesional handicappers, or touts, whatever you wanna call them, why don't you go into work tommorow, and tell your boss that you are great at what you do, and you'd like to give him back your salary and do it for free.  now, i've never used a tout myself, and i don't suggest doing it, just like i don't use a financial company to handle my investments, it's because i do my own homework, and i'd much rather be responsible for my own money.  but bottom line you can't hate on somebody for making a profit off of something they are good at, because if i'm not mistaken(which i'm not), that is what our entire country has been based on, CAPITALISM, and if you don't agree with the way we do things in america, then move to canada or some socialist country where the government controls everything.

    seriously, the only advice that i would give to anyone reading this thread or anyone at all on this site that is not winning on a long-term basis, is to either put in work, look at momentum & motivation, or stop.  unless you like giving your money away. i love sports, i love playing sports, i love watching sports, and i love betting on sports, but that doesn't justify me giving my money away.  ever since i was taught money management, and how to look at a team's mindset first and foremost, i have increased my winning percentage to a point where i can confidently wager on every single play without thinking twice.  we all get on cold streaks, we all get on hot streaks, but obviously no one play should ever make or break you. 

    i hope everyone reading this thread seriously takes a look at their bankroll and their winning percentage and takes some of this advice seriously because YOU CAN WIN betting sports.  i'm not claiming to be hitting 70%+ of my wagers because that is impossible long term, but let's just say i can't complain at all. 

    good luck to everyone on here, this site is supposed to be about helping each other beat the book, and not about who's got the biggest dick.  let's all be positive, and share positive information so we can all WIN MONEY.  that's what this all boils down to.  if you're not doing well, there are plenty of handicappers on this site that are doing well, and that share their plays with you every single day without asking for a penny.  i don't see how that's a bad thing at all. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBBOOOOOOMMM:

    the NFL is by far the hardest sport to beat.  that is because(whoever said it first), it's the sexiest sport, and they have the least amount of games per week and the most time to gather their information.  i prefer to bet NBA, NCAAB, NCAAF, and MLB and have WAY more success there.  i do bet NFL and do well, but my best sport by far is NBA followed closely by NCAAF and NCAAB.  you nailed it best, the sportsbooks don't have as much time to set sharp lines when there are 20-50 games every single day.  i love to bet totals, first half totals, and 2nd half plays. that has been my key to success.  don't get me wrong, there are games in the NFL every single week that are easy to call, but the main thing that i use to handicap games are the 2 M's; Motivation and Momentum.  A good friend taught me that about 4 years ago to look first at those two things before you look at anything, and you will be much more successful in the long run. 

    to anyone that hates on proffesional handicappers, or touts, whatever you wanna call them, why don't you go into work tommorow, and tell your boss that you are great at what you do, and you'd like to give him back your salary and do it for free.  now, i've never used a tout myself, and i don't suggest doing it, just like i don't use a financial company to handle my investments, it's because i do my own homework, and i'd much rather be responsible for my own money.  but bottom line you can't hate on somebody for making a profit off of something they are good at, because if i'm not mistaken(which i'm not), that is what our entire country has been based on, CAPITALISM, and if you don't agree with the way we do things in america, then move to canada or some socialist country where the government controls everything.

    seriously, the only advice that i would give to anyone reading this thread or anyone at all on this site that is not winning on a long-term basis, is to either put in work, look at momentum & motivation, or stop.  unless you like giving your money away. i love sports, i love playing sports, i love watching sports, and i love betting on sports, but that doesn't justify me giving my money away.  ever since i was taught money management, and how to look at a team's mindset first and foremost, i have increased my winning percentage to a point where i can confidently wager on every single play without thinking twice.  we all get on cold streaks, we all get on hot streaks, but obviously no one play should ever make or break you. 

    i hope everyone reading this thread seriously takes a look at their bankroll and their winning percentage and takes some of this advice seriously because YOU CAN WIN betting sports.  i'm not claiming to be hitting 70%+ of my wagers because that is impossible long term, but let's just say i can't complain at all. 

    good luck to everyone on here, this site is supposed to be about helping each other beat the book, and not about who's got the biggest dick.  let's all be positive, and share positive information so we can all WIN MONEY.  that's what this all boils down to.  if you're not doing well, there are plenty of handicappers on this site that are doing well, and that share their plays with you every single day without asking for a penny.  i don't see how that's a bad thing at all. 

    GREAT Insight!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBBOOOOOOMMM:

    the NFL is by far the hardest sport to beat.  that is because(whoever said it first), it's the sexiest sport, and they have the least amount of games per week and the most time to gather their information.  i prefer to bet NBA, NCAAB, NCAAF, and MLB and have WAY more success there.  i do bet NFL and do well, but my best sport by far is NBA followed closely by NCAAF and NCAAB.  you nailed it best, the sportsbooks don't have as much time to set sharp lines when there are 20-50 games every single day.  i love to bet totals, first half totals, and 2nd half plays. that has been my key to success.  don't get me wrong, there are games in the NFL every single week that are easy to call, but the main thing that i use to handicap games are the 2 M's; Motivation and Momentum.  A good friend taught me that about 4 years ago to look first at those two things before you look at anything, and you will be much more successful in the long run. 

    to anyone that hates on proffesional handicappers, or touts, whatever you wanna call them, why don't you go into work tommorow, and tell your boss that you are great at what you do, and you'd like to give him back your salary and do it for free.  now, i've never used a tout myself, and i don't suggest doing it, just like i don't use a financial company to handle my investments, it's because i do my own homework, and i'd much rather be responsible for my own money.  but bottom line you can't hate on somebody for making a profit off of something they are good at, because if i'm not mistaken(which i'm not), that is what our entire country has been based on, CAPITALISM, and if you don't agree with the way we do things in america, then move to canada or some socialist country where the government controls everything.

    seriously, the only advice that i would give to anyone reading this thread or anyone at all on this site that is not winning on a long-term basis, is to either put in work, look at momentum & motivation, or stop.  unless you like giving your money away. i love sports, i love playing sports, i love watching sports, and i love betting on sports, but that doesn't justify me giving my money away.  ever since i was taught money management, and how to look at a team's mindset first and foremost, i have increased my winning percentage to a point where i can confidently wager on every single play without thinking twice.  we all get on cold streaks, we all get on hot streaks, but obviously no one play should ever make or break you. 

    i hope everyone reading this thread seriously takes a look at their bankroll and their winning percentage and takes some of this advice seriously because YOU CAN WIN betting sports.  i'm not claiming to be hitting 70%+ of my wagers because that is impossible long term, but let's just say i can't complain at all. 

    good luck to everyone on here, this site is supposed to be about helping each other beat the book, and not about who's got the biggest dick.  let's all be positive, and share positive information so we can all WIN MONEY.  that's what this all boils down to.  if you're not doing well, there are plenty of handicappers on this site that are doing well, and that share their plays with you every single day without asking for a penny.  i don't see how that's a bad thing at all. 

    GREAT Insight!!!!!!!!!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBBOOOOOOMMM:

    the NFL is by far the hardest sport to beat.  that is because(whoever said it first), it's the sexiest sport, and they have the least amount of games per week and the most time to gather their information.  i prefer to bet NBA, NCAAB, NCAAF, and MLB and have WAY more success there.  i do bet NFL and do well, but my best sport by far is NBA followed closely by NCAAF and NCAAB.  you nailed it best, the sportsbooks don't have as much time to set sharp lines when there are 20-50 games every single day.  i love to bet totals, first half totals, and 2nd half plays. that has been my key to success.  don't get me wrong, there are games in the NFL every single week that are easy to call, but the main thing that i use to handicap games are the 2 M's; Motivation and Momentum.  A good friend taught me that about 4 years ago to look first at those two things before you look at anything, and you will be much more successful in the long run. 

    to anyone that hates on proffesional handicappers, or touts, whatever you wanna call them, why don't you go into work tommorow, and tell your boss that you are great at what you do, and you'd like to give him back your salary and do it for free.  now, i've never used a tout myself, and i don't suggest doing it, just like i don't use a financial company to handle my investments, it's because i do my own homework, and i'd much rather be responsible for my own money.  but bottom line you can't hate on somebody for making a profit off of something they are good at, because if i'm not mistaken(which i'm not), that is what our entire country has been based on, CAPITALISM, and if you don't agree with the way we do things in america, then move to canada or some socialist country where the government controls everything.

    seriously, the only advice that i would give to anyone reading this thread or anyone at all on this site that is not winning on a long-term basis, is to either put in work, look at momentum & motivation, or stop.  unless you like giving your money away. i love sports, i love playing sports, i love watching sports, and i love betting on sports, but that doesn't justify me giving my money away.  ever since i was taught money management, and how to look at a team's mindset first and foremost, i have increased my winning percentage to a point where i can confidently wager on every single play without thinking twice.  we all get on cold streaks, we all get on hot streaks, but obviously no one play should ever make or break you. 

    i hope everyone reading this thread seriously takes a look at their bankroll and their winning percentage and takes some of this advice seriously because YOU CAN WIN betting sports.  i'm not claiming to be hitting 70%+ of my wagers because that is impossible long term, but let's just say i can't complain at all. 

    good luck to everyone on here, this site is supposed to be about helping each other beat the book, and not about who's got the biggest dick.  let's all be positive, and share positive information so we can all WIN MONEY.  that's what this all boils down to.  if you're not doing well, there are plenty of handicappers on this site that are doing well, and that share their plays with you every single day without asking for a penny.  i don't see how that's a bad thing at all. 

     intelligent, and well thought out response... kudos to you Sir 
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    the NFL is by far the hardest sport to beat.  that is because(whoever said it first), it's the sexiest sport, and they have the least amount of games per week and the most time to gather their information.  i prefer to bet NBA, NCAAB, NCAAF, and MLB and have WAY more success there.  i do bet NFL and do well, but my best sport by far is NBA followed closely by NCAAF and NCAAB.  you nailed it best, the sportsbooks don't have as much time to set sharp lines when there are 20-50 games every single day.  i love to bet totals, first half totals, and 2nd half plays. that has been my key to success.  don't get me wrong, there are games in the NFL every single week that are easy to call, but the main thing that i use to handicap games are the 2 M's; Motivation and Momentum.  A good friend taught me that about 4 years ago to look first at those two things before you look at anything, and you will be much more successful in the long run. 

    to anyone that hates on proffesional handicappers, or touts, whatever you wanna call them, why don't you go into work tommorow, and tell your boss that you are great at what you do, and you'd like to give him back your salary and do it for free.  now, i've never used a tout myself, and i don't suggest doing it, just like i don't use a financial company to handle my investments, it's because i do my own homework, and i'd much rather be responsible for my own money.  but bottom line you can't hate on somebody for making a profit off of something they are good at, because if i'm not mistaken(which i'm not), that is what our entire country has been based on, CAPITALISM, and if you don't agree with the way we do things in america, then move to canada or some socialist country where the government controls everything.

    seriously, the only advice that i would give to anyone reading this thread or anyone at all on this site that is not winning on a long-term basis, is to either put in work, look at momentum & motivation, or stop.  unless you like giving your money away. i love sports, i love playing sports, i love watching sports, and i love betting on sports, but that doesn't justify me giving my money away.  ever since i was taught money management, and how to look at a team's mindset first and foremost, i have increased my winning percentage to a point where i can confidently wager on every single play without thinking twice.  we all get on cold streaks, we all get on hot streaks, but obviously no one play should ever make or break you. 

    i hope everyone reading this thread seriously takes a look at their bankroll and their winning percentage and takes some of this advice seriously because YOU CAN WIN betting sports.  i'm not claiming to be hitting 70%+ of my wagers because that is impossible long term, but let's just say i can't complain at all. 

    good luck to everyone on here, this site is supposed to be about helping each other beat the book, and not about who's got the biggest dick.  let's all be positive, and share positive information so we can all WIN MONEY.  that's what this all boils down to.  if you're not doing well, there are plenty of handicappers on this site that are doing well, and that share their plays with you every single day without asking for a penny.  i don't see how that's a bad thing at all. 

     intelligent, and well thought out response... kudos to you Sir 
     
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    Some people believe so deeply that they are unable to ever win (in capping & life) that they can be drowning and try to punch the person trying to save them.... life is a self fulfilling prophecy
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    Some people believe so deeply that they are unable to ever win (in capping & life) that they can be drowning and try to punch the person trying to save them.... life is a self fulfilling prophecy
     
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    Great thread  
     Thanks brutha 
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    Great thread  
     Thanks brutha 
     
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    KScapping, were you saying the books wanted San Fran action on that Thanksgiving Day game?   I agree with everything in your original post I was just a little confused about what you were saying about that game... the line was 3.5 and the Ravens covered..  So the public was on San Fran?   I actually had a pretty big bet on San Fran, and I remember thinking that the line looked like the books wanted Ravens money.   At the book I use the line was -3, with heavy juice on the Ravens... taking the Ravens seemed like such an obvious play.  They are obviously a strong team this year and the game was in Baltimore.     If they wanted San Fran money wouldn't they make the line -4 or -5?  
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    KScapping, were you saying the books wanted San Fran action on that Thanksgiving Day game?   I agree with everything in your original post I was just a little confused about what you were saying about that game... the line was 3.5 and the Ravens covered..  So the public was on San Fran?   I actually had a pretty big bet on San Fran, and I remember thinking that the line looked like the books wanted Ravens money.   At the book I use the line was -3, with heavy juice on the Ravens... taking the Ravens seemed like such an obvious play.  They are obviously a strong team this year and the game was in Baltimore.     If they wanted San Fran money wouldn't they make the line -4 or -5?  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ham14:

    KScapping, were you saying the books wanted San Fran action on that Thanksgiving Day game?   I agree with everything in your original post I was just a little confused about what you were saying about that game... the line was 3.5 and the Ravens covered..  So the public was on San Fran?   I actually had a pretty big bet on San Fran, and I remember thinking that the line looked like the books wanted Ravens money.   At the book I use the line was -3, with heavy juice on the Ravens... taking the Ravens seemed like such an obvious play.  They are obviously a strong team this year and the game was in Baltimore.     If they wanted San Fran money wouldn't they make the line -4 or -5?  

    I am actually getting tired of fielding questions on this thread lol....no... action was heavy on San Fran so naturally the line was creeping towards Ravens side.... the books would have taken a bath if the niners would have won .....
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    KScapping, were you saying the books wanted San Fran action on that Thanksgiving Day game?   I agree with everything in your original post I was just a little confused about what you were saying about that game... the line was 3.5 and the Ravens covered..  So the public was on San Fran?   I actually had a pretty big bet on San Fran, and I remember thinking that the line looked like the books wanted Ravens money.   At the book I use the line was -3, with heavy juice on the Ravens... taking the Ravens seemed like such an obvious play.  They are obviously a strong team this year and the game was in Baltimore.     If they wanted San Fran money wouldn't they make the line -4 or -5?  

    I am actually getting tired of fielding questions on this thread lol....no... action was heavy on San Fran so naturally the line was creeping towards Ravens side.... the books would have taken a bath if the niners would have won .....
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KScapping:


    I am actually getting tired of fielding questions on this thread lol....no... action was heavy on San Fran so naturally the line was creeping towards Ravens side.... the books would have taken a bath if the niners would have won .....

    so you're saying there was reverse line movement on that game?  I'm curious as to what your basis is for this theory.   My books actually moved the line the other way leading up to kickoff.. the 9ers ML odds got shorter.

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    I am actually getting tired of fielding questions on this thread lol....no... action was heavy on San Fran so naturally the line was creeping towards Ravens side.... the books would have taken a bath if the niners would have won .....

    so you're saying there was reverse line movement on that game?  I'm curious as to what your basis is for this theory.   My books actually moved the line the other way leading up to kickoff.. the 9ers ML odds got shorter.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ham14:

    so you're saying there was reverse line movement on that game?  I'm curious as to what your basis is for this theory.   My books actually moved the line the other way leading up to kickoff.. the 9ers ML odds got shorter.

    last one to you Sir....public was riding SF (that is from the 4 sources I check/follow)  and to a larger than average %.... could it be that it was opposite of that in the betting world as a whole..I suppose anything is possible even if I have yet to ever see it...but then again I never seen a pig fly either, but would not bet my life that it cannot happen.... now run along son... try using your mind for some productive means as opposed to spending your life hoping to discredit someone or spew negativity....shuuu shuuuu
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    so you're saying there was reverse line movement on that game?  I'm curious as to what your basis is for this theory.   My books actually moved the line the other way leading up to kickoff.. the 9ers ML odds got shorter.

    last one to you Sir....public was riding SF (that is from the 4 sources I check/follow)  and to a larger than average %.... could it be that it was opposite of that in the betting world as a whole..I suppose anything is possible even if I have yet to ever see it...but then again I never seen a pig fly either, but would not bet my life that it cannot happen.... now run along son... try using your mind for some productive means as opposed to spending your life hoping to discredit someone or spew negativity....shuuu shuuuu
     
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    So the moral of the story is: Watch every game, google search every game endlessly for hours and that makes you a sharp?

    Problem is, the NFL isnt really a game that can be ate by the sharks. That means, the talent level is pretty close. So when a td favorite loses, its not that big of a deal, or isnt surprising. Now when a college football or basketball team is catching points to a "superior" opponent, then you can make a move.

    Without knowing of an undisclosed injury, drug problem, field condition or such, everyone has the same info.....The problem becomes the unpredictablity of how that odd shaped ball bounces...hence the creation of the moose.

    Not saying you're wrong, but you can be lazy and sharp just the same as you can know everything and research for hours and be square.

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    So the moral of the story is: Watch every game, google search every game endlessly for hours and that makes you a sharp?

    Problem is, the NFL isnt really a game that can be ate by the sharks. That means, the talent level is pretty close. So when a td favorite loses, its not that big of a deal, or isnt surprising. Now when a college football or basketball team is catching points to a "superior" opponent, then you can make a move.

    Without knowing of an undisclosed injury, drug problem, field condition or such, everyone has the same info.....The problem becomes the unpredictablity of how that odd shaped ball bounces...hence the creation of the moose.

    Not saying you're wrong, but you can be lazy and sharp just the same as you can know everything and research for hours and be square.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KScapping:

    last one to you Sir....public was riding SF (that is from the 4 sources I check/follow)  and to a larger than average %.... could it be that it was opposite of that in the betting world as a whole..I suppose anything is possible even if I have yet to ever see it...but then again I never seen a pig fly either, but would not bet my life that it cannot happen.... now run along son... try using your mind for some productive means as opposed to spending your life hoping to discredit someone or spew negativity....shuuu shuuuu
     

    LOL.  Not being negative or trying to discredit you.. I was just interested to know what kind of sources you had leading you to believe the public was on San Fran.   But I'm sure those sources are top secret so there's nothing more for us to talk about.   Just seemed weird to me to conclude the public would be on a 3 or 3.5  pt dog traveling across country to play against a division leader.   You could be right though.. GL on fading the public in the future and I look forward to your picks.  

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    last one to you Sir....public was riding SF (that is from the 4 sources I check/follow)  and to a larger than average %.... could it be that it was opposite of that in the betting world as a whole..I suppose anything is possible even if I have yet to ever see it...but then again I never seen a pig fly either, but would not bet my life that it cannot happen.... now run along son... try using your mind for some productive means as opposed to spending your life hoping to discredit someone or spew negativity....shuuu shuuuu
     

    LOL.  Not being negative or trying to discredit you.. I was just interested to know what kind of sources you had leading you to believe the public was on San Fran.   But I'm sure those sources are top secret so there's nothing more for us to talk about.   Just seemed weird to me to conclude the public would be on a 3 or 3.5  pt dog traveling across country to play against a division leader.   You could be right though.. GL on fading the public in the future and I look forward to your picks.  

     
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    LOL.  Not being negative or trying to discredit you.. I was just interested to know what kind of sources you had leading you to believe the public was on San Fran.   But I'm sure those sources are top secret so there's nothing more for us to talk about.   Just seemed weird to me to conclude the public would be on a 3 or 3.5  pt dog traveling across country to play against a division leader.   You could be right though.. GL on fading the public in the future and I look forward to your picks.  


    they are not secret sources... the world was on SF... and of course that line was begging for SF money and they got it, everyone was in love with the 49ers at that point(prob still are, they good)... that line opened at -4.5 and closed at -3.5 in most places.
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    LOL.  Not being negative or trying to discredit you.. I was just interested to know what kind of sources you had leading you to believe the public was on San Fran.   But I'm sure those sources are top secret so there's nothing more for us to talk about.   Just seemed weird to me to conclude the public would be on a 3 or 3.5  pt dog traveling across country to play against a division leader.   You could be right though.. GL on fading the public in the future and I look forward to your picks.  


    they are not secret sources... the world was on SF... and of course that line was begging for SF money and they got it, everyone was in love with the 49ers at that point(prob still are, they good)... that line opened at -4.5 and closed at -3.5 in most places.
     
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    they are not secret sources... the world was on SF... and of course that line was begging for SF money and they got it, everyone was in love with the 49ers at that point(prob still are, they good)... that line opened at -4.5 and closed at -3.5 in most places.
       don't sweat it bro.... I have learned from these posters that they spend their days and their lives trying to pull anyone they can down from the ladder of success, leaving them no time to climb themselves... they certainly have their own hell to deal with, and not worth yours or my time ..but thank you for the 'back' bro.... GL 2 U! 
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    they are not secret sources... the world was on SF... and of course that line was begging for SF money and they got it, everyone was in love with the 49ers at that point(prob still are, they good)... that line opened at -4.5 and closed at -3.5 in most places.
       don't sweat it bro.... I have learned from these posters that they spend their days and their lives trying to pull anyone they can down from the ladder of success, leaving them no time to climb themselves... they certainly have their own hell to deal with, and not worth yours or my time ..but thank you for the 'back' bro.... GL 2 U! 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 7, 2011 - 6:39 PM ET #197

    Hey you spent time on me 5 hours after lol
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    Hey you spent time on me 5 hours after lol
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by statfreak:


    they are not secret sources... the world was on SF... and of course that line was begging for SF money and they got it, everyone was in love with the 49ers at that point(prob still are, they good)... that line opened at -4.5 and closed at -3.5 in most places.

    https://www.covers.com/sports/odds/linehistory.aspx?eventId=29503&sport=nfl

    only place it opened 4.5 was the Hilton.  Average the moves reported by Covers and the line didn't really move either way.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by statfreak:


    they are not secret sources... the world was on SF... and of course that line was begging for SF money and they got it, everyone was in love with the 49ers at that point(prob still are, they good)... that line opened at -4.5 and closed at -3.5 in most places.

    https://www.covers.com/sports/odds/linehistory.aspx?eventId=29503&sport=nfl

    only place it opened 4.5 was the Hilton.  Average the moves reported by Covers and the line didn't really move either way.  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by PokertoSports:

    nice post - always good to have a reminder to not be a lazy square
    Thank you my friend.... GL 2 U 
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    Quote Originally Posted by PokertoSports:

    nice post - always good to have a reminder to not be a lazy square
    Thank you my friend.... GL 2 U 
     
     
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    I've been betting on all sports on and off for the last 12 years.  I've really been focused on baseball for the last 4 years and also get into betting on small conference/non high profile games in college basketball. I havnt wagered this year in college ball as I have been focused on football for the first time in a couple years.  I am far from the greatest capper in the world, but when I get focused on a sport I do my homework and sometimes I do more than I would like.  

    Baseball is my sport and I would say of any sport, this is the one I would consider myself as semi-pro (since I have to run my business, I only have so much time, otherwise I would be pro status).  And boy do I research and I mean a lot of research.  When I get a lean or a beat on a game or series, I dive in and do a lot of work.  Really, if you want to be successful in baseball or anything for that matter, you have to.  There are a ton of statistical and trend factors in baseball.  I do a lot of bullpen research, starting pitcher trends, batter vs pitcher stats, home plate umps, long road trip trends, etc, etc....

    My whole point to this is....

    Through my experience football can only be handicapped so much. There are too many variables (as stated by myself and others in this thread), that you cant account for.  Referees, bogus penalties, horrible play calling, OL not blocking, etc....YOU CANT RESEARCH THAT!   You cant possibly be doing anything that extravagant in researching football.  It's a very tough sport to bet on because there is so much unpredictability!  
    I mean my wife......this is a true story....went 11-0 before the 4:00 games last week and ended 14-2 for the week in our 70 person pool!  And yes it's an ATS pool.  I mean, what?  14-2??  Thats absurd!  You may say well, you need to know what you're doing to have consistency throughout the season, but she doesnt know that much and is 107-85 (55.73%) on the year.  This is my wife against the spread!  Granted, she is not putting money up, but even if she was she would be turning a profit and she only watches games every know and again.
    So you can say what you want about "capping" football, but I dont think there is that much capping involved.  It's reading into public perception of teams, momentum of teams, some trends and stats and after that, hope the referees dont fuck it up!  

    Betting football is not that big of a deal.  If you want to be a real handicapper....try baseball.   Thats a true handicapping sport.  SPORTSBOOKS ARE IN BUSINESS BECAUSE OF FOOTBALL Too many people bet for action to make the games "more fun" and they're mostly all losers.   Football is too much of a sprint!  Baseball is a treated like a business to most that wager.....it's a marathon.

    Put that in your pipe, when you start thinking your so great.
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    I've been betting on all sports on and off for the last 12 years.  I've really been focused on baseball for the last 4 years and also get into betting on small conference/non high profile games in college basketball. I havnt wagered this year in college ball as I have been focused on football for the first time in a couple years.  I am far from the greatest capper in the world, but when I get focused on a sport I do my homework and sometimes I do more than I would like.  

    Baseball is my sport and I would say of any sport, this is the one I would consider myself as semi-pro (since I have to run my business, I only have so much time, otherwise I would be pro status).  And boy do I research and I mean a lot of research.  When I get a lean or a beat on a game or series, I dive in and do a lot of work.  Really, if you want to be successful in baseball or anything for that matter, you have to.  There are a ton of statistical and trend factors in baseball.  I do a lot of bullpen research, starting pitcher trends, batter vs pitcher stats, home plate umps, long road trip trends, etc, etc....

    My whole point to this is....

    Through my experience football can only be handicapped so much. There are too many variables (as stated by myself and others in this thread), that you cant account for.  Referees, bogus penalties, horrible play calling, OL not blocking, etc....YOU CANT RESEARCH THAT!   You cant possibly be doing anything that extravagant in researching football.  It's a very tough sport to bet on because there is so much unpredictability!  
    I mean my wife......this is a true story....went 11-0 before the 4:00 games last week and ended 14-2 for the week in our 70 person pool!  And yes it's an ATS pool.  I mean, what?  14-2??  Thats absurd!  You may say well, you need to know what you're doing to have consistency throughout the season, but she doesnt know that much and is 107-85 (55.73%) on the year.  This is my wife against the spread!  Granted, she is not putting money up, but even if she was she would be turning a profit and she only watches games every know and again.
    So you can say what you want about "capping" football, but I dont think there is that much capping involved.  It's reading into public perception of teams, momentum of teams, some trends and stats and after that, hope the referees dont fuck it up!  

    Betting football is not that big of a deal.  If you want to be a real handicapper....try baseball.   Thats a true handicapping sport.  SPORTSBOOKS ARE IN BUSINESS BECAUSE OF FOOTBALL Too many people bet for action to make the games "more fun" and they're mostly all losers.   Football is too much of a sprint!  Baseball is a treated like a business to most that wager.....it's a marathon.

    Put that in your pipe, when you start thinking your so great.
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