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    Achilles1629
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2017 - 1:56 PM ET #51

    Gags, place your bet on your boy Rodgers then. Claw always offers data, u either take into account or you don't. It's all good amigo. Hes here to help. On the grand scale of things, he does pretty well. The NFC will get settled soon. Enjoy the game today.
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    Gags, place your bet on your boy Rodgers then. Claw always offers data, u either take into account or you don't. It's all good amigo. Hes here to help. On the grand scale of things, he does pretty well. The NFC will get settled soon. Enjoy the game today.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2017 - 6:36 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    Falcons -4 (-115) over Packers --- 6.9 units to win 6 units
    Falcons -3 (-105) 1st half --- 3.15 units to win 3 units

    Steelers +6 (-120) over Pats --- 2.4 units to win 2 units
    Steelers +3 (+100) 1st half --- 1 unit to win 1 unit



    leans................................................

     Falcons/Packers over 60 and over 1st half 31
    Falcons TT over 32.5 and over 1st half



    Do not sleep on the Falcons with one of the greatest passing offenses in NFL history , they will  be the best value play in the playoffs ............................................



    2-0 ATS , won 9 units

    leans ........................3-0-1


    We called Falcons the best value play in playoffs and they've beat the closing line  by 9.5 and 17 points.

    All told we were..........................4-0 ATS and  leans 7-0-1 riding the Falcons.

    Not to shabby for a 1-4 QB  and Falcon team ...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    Falcons -4 (-115) over Packers --- 6.9 units to win 6 units
    Falcons -3 (-105) 1st half --- 3.15 units to win 3 units

    Steelers +6 (-120) over Pats --- 2.4 units to win 2 units
    Steelers +3 (+100) 1st half --- 1 unit to win 1 unit



    leans................................................

     Falcons/Packers over 60 and over 1st half 31
    Falcons TT over 32.5 and over 1st half



    Do not sleep on the Falcons with one of the greatest passing offenses in NFL history , they will  be the best value play in the playoffs ............................................



    2-0 ATS , won 9 units

    leans ........................3-0-1


    We called Falcons the best value play in playoffs and they've beat the closing line  by 9.5 and 17 points.

    All told we were..........................4-0 ATS and  leans 7-0-1 riding the Falcons.

    Not to shabby for a 1-4 QB  and Falcon team ...........
     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2017 - 6:38 PM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    Falcons -4 (-115) over Packers --- 6.9 units to win 6 units
    Falcons -3 (-105) 1st half --- 3.15 units to win 3 units

    Steelers +6 (-120) over Pats --- 2.4 units to win 2 units
    Steelers +3 (+100) 1st half --- 1 unit to win 1 unit



    leans................................................

     Falcons/Packers over 60 and over 1st half 31
    Falcons TT over 32.5 and over 1st half



    Do not sleep on the Falcons with one of the greatest passing offenses in NFL history , they will  be the best value play in the playoffs ............................................




    Steelers up next...........................
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    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    Falcons -4 (-115) over Packers --- 6.9 units to win 6 units
    Falcons -3 (-105) 1st half --- 3.15 units to win 3 units

    Steelers +6 (-120) over Pats --- 2.4 units to win 2 units
    Steelers +3 (+100) 1st half --- 1 unit to win 1 unit



    leans................................................

     Falcons/Packers over 60 and over 1st half 31
    Falcons TT over 32.5 and over 1st half



    Do not sleep on the Falcons with one of the greatest passing offenses in NFL history , they will  be the best value play in the playoffs ............................................




    Steelers up next...........................
     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2017 - 7:01 PM ET #54

    On the pats, but love your write ups claws.  Thanks for posting 
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    On the pats, but love your write ups claws.  Thanks for posting 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamnotpeterose:

    On the pats, but love your write ups claws.  Thanks for posting 


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    Quote Originally Posted by iamnotpeterose:

    On the pats, but love your write ups claws.  Thanks for posting 


     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2017 - 7:09 AM ET #56

    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    POWER RATINGS I............................................

    PR I  is more pass heavy using passing effiency  stats and counts offense and defense equally .


    1. Pats 11.8
    2. Falcons 10.89
    3. Cowboys 8.17
    4. KC 4.36
    5. Steelers 4.35
    6. Seahawks 2.95
        Raiders w/Carr 2.66
    7. Giants 2.51
    8. Packers 2.43
    9. Dolphins 1.9
    10. Raiders w/cook (-1.36)
    11. Texans w/brock (-4.05)
    12. Lions (-4.83)



    MY LINES..........................................

    find the difference then add 3 points to home team. These will stay the same throughout the playoffs. But we will have a playoff only line for the Super Bowl.

    Steelers -5.45 over Dolphins
    Texans -.31 over Raiders
    Seahawks -10.78 over Lions
    Packers -2.92 over Giants

    we have a play with a 6 point difference to the closing line.

    Raiders were not a very good team even with Carr playing, they actually got more points toward their PR from turnovers then any other stat , they were +16 on the season, not a good indicator going forward and I suspect may have lost their opening game at home even with Carr. had they got the bye.

    They also led the league in close 1 score wins with 9 and had a +7 differential which led the league. I can see a huge regression for this team next season.

    no plays at this point, we'd need the Dolphins to go up to +11.5 for a play which could happen if public starts banging Steelers this weekend . But likely won't.


    Dolphins are tough to judge with Moore, he has not played much since 2011, but in very limited play this season had a better QBPR then Ryan and a far better ave per pass. 

    To tough to judge we likely pass on the game even with a +11.5 line.

    Alot of love for Steelers this postseason with SB talk and such, their strength is passing offense with Brown, but are they that good ?

    If we look at passing effiency stats which are the best indicators Steelers rank only 8th in ave/pass att and 11th in QBPR and in yards per point another strong indicator they rank just 15th on offense.

    Does not look like a explosive offense does it, they barely crack the top 10 in any key indicator, any they only do that by a slim .05.

    The info suggest They may look explosive at times but likely are very inconsistent and make to many mistakes.


    And that brings us to this................................................

    Last season for the 1st time with following stats with high predictive value we found a rare happening as offense eff stats seem to be better predictors for the most part but not always better by big margins, when defense is better it might be only 2 or 3 % points better.

    But last year defense eff stats were far better in regular season , well ahead of off eff stats, in ave per pass and QBPR with Panthers no. 1 in one and Broncos no.1 in other and they were also finished 1 and 2 in both defensive eff stats.

    And met in SB.

    This year is a complete reversal, off eff stats crush  def eff stats,  off ave/pass is 10.6% better predictors then def and Off QBPR is 8.6% better then def.

    Possible this could be how the league decides to call games, what they chose to make a priority year to year base on how the game is evolving or it may not be anything but pure coincedence.


    But the no.1 team in ave/pass , Falcons, Skins 2cd, Pats 3rd
    No.1 team in QBPR, Falcons with Pats 2cd.

    Will last season's defensive standouts repeat itself this season with offensive standouts ruling the day in postseason ?


    Well, both top offensive teams did it after having the season play-out with offensive passing stats having much higher predictive results just like last years defensive teams doing it.

    Maybe next year I will come-up with a PR that is taylored to what was important in regular season carrying more weight.
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    POWER RATINGS I............................................

    PR I  is more pass heavy using passing effiency  stats and counts offense and defense equally .


    1. Pats 11.8
    2. Falcons 10.89
    3. Cowboys 8.17
    4. KC 4.36
    5. Steelers 4.35
    6. Seahawks 2.95
        Raiders w/Carr 2.66
    7. Giants 2.51
    8. Packers 2.43
    9. Dolphins 1.9
    10. Raiders w/cook (-1.36)
    11. Texans w/brock (-4.05)
    12. Lions (-4.83)



    MY LINES..........................................

    find the difference then add 3 points to home team. These will stay the same throughout the playoffs. But we will have a playoff only line for the Super Bowl.

    Steelers -5.45 over Dolphins
    Texans -.31 over Raiders
    Seahawks -10.78 over Lions
    Packers -2.92 over Giants

    we have a play with a 6 point difference to the closing line.

    Raiders were not a very good team even with Carr playing, they actually got more points toward their PR from turnovers then any other stat , they were +16 on the season, not a good indicator going forward and I suspect may have lost their opening game at home even with Carr. had they got the bye.

    They also led the league in close 1 score wins with 9 and had a +7 differential which led the league. I can see a huge regression for this team next season.

    no plays at this point, we'd need the Dolphins to go up to +11.5 for a play which could happen if public starts banging Steelers this weekend . But likely won't.


    Dolphins are tough to judge with Moore, he has not played much since 2011, but in very limited play this season had a better QBPR then Ryan and a far better ave per pass. 

    To tough to judge we likely pass on the game even with a +11.5 line.

    Alot of love for Steelers this postseason with SB talk and such, their strength is passing offense with Brown, but are they that good ?

    If we look at passing effiency stats which are the best indicators Steelers rank only 8th in ave/pass att and 11th in QBPR and in yards per point another strong indicator they rank just 15th on offense.

    Does not look like a explosive offense does it, they barely crack the top 10 in any key indicator, any they only do that by a slim .05.

    The info suggest They may look explosive at times but likely are very inconsistent and make to many mistakes.


    And that brings us to this................................................

    Last season for the 1st time with following stats with high predictive value we found a rare happening as offense eff stats seem to be better predictors for the most part but not always better by big margins, when defense is better it might be only 2 or 3 % points better.

    But last year defense eff stats were far better in regular season , well ahead of off eff stats, in ave per pass and QBPR with Panthers no. 1 in one and Broncos no.1 in other and they were also finished 1 and 2 in both defensive eff stats.

    And met in SB.

    This year is a complete reversal, off eff stats crush  def eff stats,  off ave/pass is 10.6% better predictors then def and Off QBPR is 8.6% better then def.

    Possible this could be how the league decides to call games, what they chose to make a priority year to year base on how the game is evolving or it may not be anything but pure coincedence.


    But the no.1 team in ave/pass , Falcons, Skins 2cd, Pats 3rd
    No.1 team in QBPR, Falcons with Pats 2cd.

    Will last season's defensive standouts repeat itself this season with offensive standouts ruling the day in postseason ?


    Well, both top offensive teams did it after having the season play-out with offensive passing stats having much higher predictive results just like last years defensive teams doing it.

    Maybe next year I will come-up with a PR that is taylored to what was important in regular season carrying more weight.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2017 - 7:14 AM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    Favorite to win Super Bowl..................................................The Pats..................

    My favorites to win a sport in the 4 sports I track, NFL ,NBA ,Arena Football and WNBA has won 9 of last 15 times.

    And have made the championship game in their sport 13 of 15 times.

    The one down-side to Pats is they come in playing on a unsustainable level of play, they have entered the "regression zone" as I like to call it.

    They may have to pull out a game in which the struggle and catch some bad breaks and this might hurt our chances with the Pats.

    Pats come in the hottest team winning 7 straight along with Steelers 7 straight wins but Pats have  covered 5 straight, not good indicators ATS going forward.

    However we can look at regression has not worked very well this season , the bounce factor had it's worse season ever but we still need to respect this very powerful method. 

    When we add everything up the Pats are still the cream of the crop, they'll get a easy opp in their first game and then will need to beat either Steelers or KC at home.

    I'd give Falcons a very good shot to win the NFC , will say they will be the best value team to back this postseason.

    Value with futures and ATS in their games.

    Of their 5 losses 4 are 1 score close losses that could go either way and are more random events and not likely as repeatable as blowout 14 point wins which Falcons are 6-0 in those, best in the league .

    Cowboys are 7-2 in 1 score close wins =+5

    I'll side with Falcons to pull out a close win over Cowboys in the NFC championship game as close wins will once again prove to be random events.



    We did it again guys, that's 14 of the past 16 favorites have made the championship game.


    9 of previous 15 have won the title in their respective sports, haven't gone over things yet but just taking a brief look , everything points to Pats.
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    Favorite to win Super Bowl..................................................The Pats..................

    My favorites to win a sport in the 4 sports I track, NFL ,NBA ,Arena Football and WNBA has won 9 of last 15 times.

    And have made the championship game in their sport 13 of 15 times.

    The one down-side to Pats is they come in playing on a unsustainable level of play, they have entered the "regression zone" as I like to call it.

    They may have to pull out a game in which the struggle and catch some bad breaks and this might hurt our chances with the Pats.

    Pats come in the hottest team winning 7 straight along with Steelers 7 straight wins but Pats have  covered 5 straight, not good indicators ATS going forward.

    However we can look at regression has not worked very well this season , the bounce factor had it's worse season ever but we still need to respect this very powerful method. 

    When we add everything up the Pats are still the cream of the crop, they'll get a easy opp in their first game and then will need to beat either Steelers or KC at home.

    I'd give Falcons a very good shot to win the NFC , will say they will be the best value team to back this postseason.

    Value with futures and ATS in their games.

    Of their 5 losses 4 are 1 score close losses that could go either way and are more random events and not likely as repeatable as blowout 14 point wins which Falcons are 6-0 in those, best in the league .

    Cowboys are 7-2 in 1 score close wins =+5

    I'll side with Falcons to pull out a close win over Cowboys in the NFC championship game as close wins will once again prove to be random events.



    We did it again guys, that's 14 of the past 16 favorites have made the championship game.


    9 of previous 15 have won the title in their respective sports, haven't gone over things yet but just taking a brief look , everything points to Pats.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2017 - 7:22 AM ET #58

    As for the Steelers, they're inconsistent passing offense was on display, they make to many mistakes but Pats defense did look very strong.

    As strong as the Steelers passing offense did look at times in regular season they were not a top 10 passing offense in any area but 1 and that by only 5/100 from being 11th and it showed in the game.


    But hey, Steelers were one of our week 1 big performance teams, teams that finish in the top 3 for week 1 in PR II, these teams do have a fairly good track record of making at least  the championship game and they did it again this season. 


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    As for the Steelers, they're inconsistent passing offense was on display, they make to many mistakes but Pats defense did look very strong.

    As strong as the Steelers passing offense did look at times in regular season they were not a top 10 passing offense in any area but 1 and that by only 5/100 from being 11th and it showed in the game.


    But hey, Steelers were one of our week 1 big performance teams, teams that finish in the top 3 for week 1 in PR II, these teams do have a fairly good track record of making at least  the championship game and they did it again this season. 


     
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    SUPER BOWL..............................................

    my lines....................

    PR I..........Pats -.91 over Falcons 

    PRII..........Pats -1.72 over Falcons


    Looks like a pretty even game with my lines leaning Falcons on the spread.


    Will you back the "proven winner" or the 1st time team ? 
    Or the better team ?

    Will be back with alot more info and my playoff only lines.........................
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    SUPER BOWL..............................................

    my lines....................

    PR I..........Pats -.91 over Falcons 

    PRII..........Pats -1.72 over Falcons


    Looks like a pretty even game with my lines leaning Falcons on the spread.


    Will you back the "proven winner" or the 1st time team ? 
    Or the better team ?

    Will be back with alot more info and my playoff only lines.........................
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    SUPER BOWL..............................................

    my lines....................

    PR I..........Pats -.91 over Falcons 

    PRII..........Pats -1.72 over Falcons


    Looks like a pretty even game with my lines leaning Falcons on the spread.


    Will you back the "proven winner" or the 1st time team ? 
    Or the better team ?

    Will be back with alot more info and my playoff only lines.........................

    I used to be on here a lot.  I also used to chime in quite often.  There's just too many strokes on here insulting people that don't agree with them, or have a different way of looking at things.

    Reading your information has gotten my juices flowing again!  I love it.  

    Do you do NBA?  Also, can you start a new thread for the SB?

    Thanks, T


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    SUPER BOWL..............................................

    my lines....................

    PR I..........Pats -.91 over Falcons 

    PRII..........Pats -1.72 over Falcons


    Looks like a pretty even game with my lines leaning Falcons on the spread.


    Will you back the "proven winner" or the 1st time team ? 
    Or the better team ?

    Will be back with alot more info and my playoff only lines.........................

    I used to be on here a lot.  I also used to chime in quite often.  There's just too many strokes on here insulting people that don't agree with them, or have a different way of looking at things.

    Reading your information has gotten my juices flowing again!  I love it.  

    Do you do NBA?  Also, can you start a new thread for the SB?

    Thanks, T


     
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    Nice Season Claw.  As usual, your power ratings provide good insight and help us steer our own research.

    Look forward to your Superbowl predictions.

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    Nice Season Claw.  As usual, your power ratings provide good insight and help us steer our own research.

    Look forward to your Superbowl predictions.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thawv:


    I used to be on here a lot.  I also used to chime in quite often.  There's just too many strokes on here insulting people that don't agree with them, or have a different way of looking at things.

    Reading your information has gotten my juices flowing again!  I love it.  

    Do you do NBA?  Also, can you start a new thread for the SB?

    Thanks, T



    Yes I do NBA, last season we did quite well in playoffs.  Had some very strong runs

    you can check my areana football thread , still there, where I called for Philly to beat one of the most successful teams in arena history in the championship game.

    A team so hot it came-off straight wins of 40 pts or more and had been in something like 4 of last 5 championship games and won 3 including a win over Philly.

    Philly opened +7 and with every expert and public joe on Zona drove the line to +12.5, I rode a best bet play on Philly and a huge Philly ML based on my power ratings and Philly set the record for largest 1st quarter lead in arena bowl history up 21 pts,  and we rolled to a huge score that day.
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    I used to be on here a lot.  I also used to chime in quite often.  There's just too many strokes on here insulting people that don't agree with them, or have a different way of looking at things.

    Reading your information has gotten my juices flowing again!  I love it.  

    Do you do NBA?  Also, can you start a new thread for the SB?

    Thanks, T



    Yes I do NBA, last season we did quite well in playoffs.  Had some very strong runs

    you can check my areana football thread , still there, where I called for Philly to beat one of the most successful teams in arena history in the championship game.

    A team so hot it came-off straight wins of 40 pts or more and had been in something like 4 of last 5 championship games and won 3 including a win over Philly.

    Philly opened +7 and with every expert and public joe on Zona drove the line to +12.5, I rode a best bet play on Philly and a huge Philly ML based on my power ratings and Philly set the record for largest 1st quarter lead in arena bowl history up 21 pts,  and we rolled to a huge score that day.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SharpShooter8:

    Nice Season Claw.  As usual, your power ratings provide good insight and help us steer our own research.

    Look forward to your Superbowl predictions.


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    Nice Season Claw.  As usual, your power ratings provide good insight and help us steer our own research.

    Look forward to your Superbowl predictions.


     
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    YARDS PER POINT DIFFERENTIAL........................................

    Pats +5.88
    Falcons +2.31


    yds/pt is a very telling stat in super bowl's, the better team is 14-6 ATS (70%) in games involving bye teams or strong statistical wild card round teams but not the weak wild card round  teams who are the true surprise teams.

    now, total yds diff is directly tied to yds/pt, because the fewer yds a team out-gains it's opp the much easier it is to have a better yds/pt, but along with the better yds/pt comes a smaller margin of victory for those teams which is not a good indicator.


    when the same team has the better yds/pt and the better total yds diff they are 8-1 ATS (88.9%)

    TOTAL YARDS DIFFERENTIAL..................................

    Pats 59.81
    Falcons 44.63

    Pats better in both.

    what I did was come-up with a formula that tries to balance the 2 stats and find the team better in combination of both.

    Pats 14.8
    Falcons 7.93

    Pats by 6.87

    This method I called bonus pts last years playoffs, unforetunately I could not find it this season , mostly because I was working 7 days a week and have been for quite some time.

    It has a very strong ATS record throughout the playoffs with a 4.5 pt diff to closing line.

    If the public pounds Falcons we could have a play on Pats. Line needs to drop to -2.

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    YARDS PER POINT DIFFERENTIAL........................................

    Pats +5.88
    Falcons +2.31


    yds/pt is a very telling stat in super bowl's, the better team is 14-6 ATS (70%) in games involving bye teams or strong statistical wild card round teams but not the weak wild card round  teams who are the true surprise teams.

    now, total yds diff is directly tied to yds/pt, because the fewer yds a team out-gains it's opp the much easier it is to have a better yds/pt, but along with the better yds/pt comes a smaller margin of victory for those teams which is not a good indicator.


    when the same team has the better yds/pt and the better total yds diff they are 8-1 ATS (88.9%)

    TOTAL YARDS DIFFERENTIAL..................................

    Pats 59.81
    Falcons 44.63

    Pats better in both.

    what I did was come-up with a formula that tries to balance the 2 stats and find the team better in combination of both.

    Pats 14.8
    Falcons 7.93

    Pats by 6.87

    This method I called bonus pts last years playoffs, unforetunately I could not find it this season , mostly because I was working 7 days a week and have been for quite some time.

    It has a very strong ATS record throughout the playoffs with a 4.5 pt diff to closing line.

    If the public pounds Falcons we could have a play on Pats. Line needs to drop to -2.

     
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    A good example of weak teams with high yds/pt was seen this season with KC.

    KC finished with a very strong yds/pt, 2cd behind only the Pats at +4.85 and much better then Pitt at +1.82.

    But when we look at total yards we get...................

    Pitt +30
    KC (-25.5)

    KC was crushed in total yds diff, and bye teams in this spot do not do well.

    Now when we use the bonus pts formula we get...................

    Pitt 5.73
    KC 4.73

    Pitt was the better team

    When we give KC  3 PTS FOR BEING HOME we have KC -2 which was about the line and shows how misleading KC's huge advantage in yds/pt was.

    when we look at Pats VS Pitt we have...............

    Pats 14.8 - Pitt 5.73 = 9.07 +3 for home = Pats -12.07 

    with a closing line of -5.5 we have a 6.57  huge diff which would of poin ted to Pats but unfortunately I could not find the info.
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    A good example of weak teams with high yds/pt was seen this season with KC.

    KC finished with a very strong yds/pt, 2cd behind only the Pats at +4.85 and much better then Pitt at +1.82.

    But when we look at total yards we get...................

    Pitt +30
    KC (-25.5)

    KC was crushed in total yds diff, and bye teams in this spot do not do well.

    Now when we use the bonus pts formula we get...................

    Pitt 5.73
    KC 4.73

    Pitt was the better team

    When we give KC  3 PTS FOR BEING HOME we have KC -2 which was about the line and shows how misleading KC's huge advantage in yds/pt was.

    when we look at Pats VS Pitt we have...............

    Pats 14.8 - Pitt 5.73 = 9.07 +3 for home = Pats -12.07 

    with a closing line of -5.5 we have a 6.57  huge diff which would of poin ted to Pats but unfortunately I could not find the info.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    YARDS PER POINT DIFFERENTIAL........................................

    Pats +5.88
    Falcons +2.31


    yds/pt is a very telling stat in super bowl's, the better team is 14-6 ATS (70%) in games involving bye teams or strong statistical wild card round teams but not the weak wild card round  teams who are the true surprise teams.

    now, total yds diff is directly tied to yds/pt, because the fewer yds a team out-gains it's opp the much easier it is to have a better yds/pt, but along with the better yds/pt comes a smaller margin of victory for those teams which is not a good indicator.


    when the same team has the better yds/pt and the better total yds diff they are 8-1 ATS (88.9%)

    TOTAL YARDS DIFFERENTIAL..................................

    Pats 59.81
    Falcons 44.63

    Pats better in both.

    what I did was come-up with a formula that tries to balance the 2 stats and find the team better in combination of both.

    Pats 14.8
    Falcons 7.93

    Pats by 6.87

    This method I called bonus pts last years playoffs, unforetunately I could not find it this season , mostly because I was working 7 days a week and have been for quite some time.

    It has a very strong ATS record throughout the playoffs with a 4.5 pt diff to closing line.

    If the public pounds Falcons we could have a play on Pats. Line needs to drop to -2.



    Another formula off this bonus pts method I include QBPR DIFF which is another great indicator, I use yds/QBPR diff, which gives us effienecy plus volume which is the key, effeinency without volume is KC , not good................

    So basically we using effeinency plus volume with yds/pt and effeinency plus volume with QBPR . 

    and we get...................................

    Pats 22.38
    Falcons 17.22

    Pats -5.16

    again, games involving bye teams or strong stats wild card round teams is 14-7-1 ATS in SB since 1985.

    6 pt diff to closing line ............10-3 ATS.

    If we throw-out the 6 pt diff games all other games are just 4-4-1 ATS.


    The largest line this method produced was 94 9ers -30.04 over SD , actual line was 9ers -17 or -18. 9ers rolled to cover.

    The largest diff between this method line and actual line was, 85 Bears -23.25 over Pats, line was -9 or a 14.25 diff.

    The next largest  to actual line was, 88 Bengals -6.33 over 9ers, line Bengals +7, a 13.33 diff, and Bengals led the game late when Joe did his last minute magic scoring on a 92 yard drive  with like 38 seconds left to win by 4 but give the Bengals the near upset but easy cover.

    Another example of backing the inexperience better team over the 2 time  SB proven QB and team, history is littered with these examples.

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    YARDS PER POINT DIFFERENTIAL........................................

    Pats +5.88
    Falcons +2.31


    yds/pt is a very telling stat in super bowl's, the better team is 14-6 ATS (70%) in games involving bye teams or strong statistical wild card round teams but not the weak wild card round  teams who are the true surprise teams.

    now, total yds diff is directly tied to yds/pt, because the fewer yds a team out-gains it's opp the much easier it is to have a better yds/pt, but along with the better yds/pt comes a smaller margin of victory for those teams which is not a good indicator.


    when the same team has the better yds/pt and the better total yds diff they are 8-1 ATS (88.9%)

    TOTAL YARDS DIFFERENTIAL..................................

    Pats 59.81
    Falcons 44.63

    Pats better in both.

    what I did was come-up with a formula that tries to balance the 2 stats and find the team better in combination of both.

    Pats 14.8
    Falcons 7.93

    Pats by 6.87

    This method I called bonus pts last years playoffs, unforetunately I could not find it this season , mostly because I was working 7 days a week and have been for quite some time.

    It has a very strong ATS record throughout the playoffs with a 4.5 pt diff to closing line.

    If the public pounds Falcons we could have a play on Pats. Line needs to drop to -2.



    Another formula off this bonus pts method I include QBPR DIFF which is another great indicator, I use yds/QBPR diff, which gives us effienecy plus volume which is the key, effeinency without volume is KC , not good................

    So basically we using effeinency plus volume with yds/pt and effeinency plus volume with QBPR . 

    and we get...................................

    Pats 22.38
    Falcons 17.22

    Pats -5.16

    again, games involving bye teams or strong stats wild card round teams is 14-7-1 ATS in SB since 1985.

    6 pt diff to closing line ............10-3 ATS.

    If we throw-out the 6 pt diff games all other games are just 4-4-1 ATS.


    The largest line this method produced was 94 9ers -30.04 over SD , actual line was 9ers -17 or -18. 9ers rolled to cover.

    The largest diff between this method line and actual line was, 85 Bears -23.25 over Pats, line was -9 or a 14.25 diff.

    The next largest  to actual line was, 88 Bengals -6.33 over 9ers, line Bengals +7, a 13.33 diff, and Bengals led the game late when Joe did his last minute magic scoring on a 92 yard drive  with like 38 seconds left to win by 4 but give the Bengals the near upset but easy cover.

    Another example of backing the inexperience better team over the 2 time  SB proven QB and team, history is littered with these examples.

     
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    PROVEN EXPERIENCE WINNERS VS INEXPERIENCED 1ST TIME TEAMS.............................

    Since 2000 a SB winning QB and team just 3 years or less remover from winning the SB VS a 1st time time.....the proven winner is 0-6 ATS.

    Brady in his very first ever playoffs with  zero experience  went 3-0 ATS, Brady as a SB winner just 2 years later went 1-2 ATS in playoffs and remains to this very day the only SB winning QB to post a losing ATS record throughout the postseason on his way to winning the SB since the league went to 16 games and changed the rules to open-up the passing game.

    When Brady became just the 8th QB to repeat in SB history he was just 3-3 ATS in those 2 historic seasons but 3-0 ATS as a non-proven winner.

    Brady has never, not even once went 3-0 ATS throughout the postseason as a proven SB winner and he's had more oppurtunities then any other QB but yet did it his 1st ever time in playoffs.

    If he can cover in SB he would do it for the very first time.

    As a 3 time SB winner Brady went 0-3 ATS in 2007 season with an historic offense.\ and scored just 14 pts and lost to the team which scored the fewest amounrt of pts of any SB winner since going to 16 games in 1978,  only 17 pts needed to Beat a 3 time proven winning QB with an historical offense.

    Hey, let's all back the proven winner..........................history does not support such things.........................
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    PROVEN EXPERIENCE WINNERS VS INEXPERIENCED 1ST TIME TEAMS.............................

    Since 2000 a SB winning QB and team just 3 years or less remover from winning the SB VS a 1st time time.....the proven winner is 0-6 ATS.

    Brady in his very first ever playoffs with  zero experience  went 3-0 ATS, Brady as a SB winner just 2 years later went 1-2 ATS in playoffs and remains to this very day the only SB winning QB to post a losing ATS record throughout the postseason on his way to winning the SB since the league went to 16 games and changed the rules to open-up the passing game.

    When Brady became just the 8th QB to repeat in SB history he was just 3-3 ATS in those 2 historic seasons but 3-0 ATS as a non-proven winner.

    Brady has never, not even once went 3-0 ATS throughout the postseason as a proven SB winner and he's had more oppurtunities then any other QB but yet did it his 1st ever time in playoffs.

    If he can cover in SB he would do it for the very first time.

    As a 3 time SB winner Brady went 0-3 ATS in 2007 season with an historic offense.\ and scored just 14 pts and lost to the team which scored the fewest amounrt of pts of any SB winner since going to 16 games in 1978,  only 17 pts needed to Beat a 3 time proven winning QB with an historical offense.

    Hey, let's all back the proven winner..........................history does not support such things.........................
     
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    DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIP.........................

    When we look at SB winners the better balanced team between offense and defense does win more often. 

    Teams with great offenses and mediocre to weak defenses don't win SB titles.

    And many times just like the 2007 Pats the offenses come up short when the going gets tough VS a very good defensive team with balance between offense and defense.

    2013 Seahawks VS Broncos come to mind in a 43-8 beat-down on the great off but weak defensive team.

    Pats easily have the stronger , better defense with Falcons ranking closer to the bottom , and remember Pats offense is no slouch, Brady has an historic QBPR himself this season, one of best in history, very much over-looked by many because of what Ryan has done but Brady with a far better defense in this game and that bodes quite well for the Pats.

    History points to a huge advantage for Pats.......................
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    DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIP.........................

    When we look at SB winners the better balanced team between offense and defense does win more often. 

    Teams with great offenses and mediocre to weak defenses don't win SB titles.

    And many times just like the 2007 Pats the offenses come up short when the going gets tough VS a very good defensive team with balance between offense and defense.

    2013 Seahawks VS Broncos come to mind in a 43-8 beat-down on the great off but weak defensive team.

    Pats easily have the stronger , better defense with Falcons ranking closer to the bottom , and remember Pats offense is no slouch, Brady has an historic QBPR himself this season, one of best in history, very much over-looked by many because of what Ryan has done but Brady with a far better defense in this game and that bodes quite well for the Pats.

    History points to a huge advantage for Pats.......................
     
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    good stuff Claw.

    defense wins championships. it just so happens that lately most of the underdogs were the teams with the best scoring defenses but this year it is the favorite who has the better scoring defense. 

    sure, the Pats played half their games against backup QB's or just plain inconsistent starting QBs who were successful the season before so the scoring defense number's is a bit lower than it should be but it is what it is. 

    i think the Pat's scoring defense would still be better than the Falcons if they played "better" competition. Falcons have had chances to prove themselves against good offenses but gave up 30+ pts and against bad offenses they still gave up more points. really 29 pts to the Chiefs and 24 to Eagles? i think these last two playoff defensive performance of giving up only 20 pts is a fluke. it was more like Green Bay killed themselves and were completely not in sync. the score would be more like 44-31. dont get me wrong Falcons defense is much better than last season but not quite where it should be. i dont see the Falcons holding Brady to 20 pts. the Falcons D are going to get killed in the red zone and i can count on the Patriots D to win some of the battles in the red zone.

    one positive thing i have to say about the Falcons. their running back tandem could give the Pats some trouble but if they take out Julio they still have other good recievers for Matt Ryan to get the ball to. it'll be interesting to see how the Pats D gameplans against this offense. it'll be the best offense they faced all year.

    41-27 or 34-27 is the score im seeing here.. 
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    good stuff Claw.

    defense wins championships. it just so happens that lately most of the underdogs were the teams with the best scoring defenses but this year it is the favorite who has the better scoring defense. 

    sure, the Pats played half their games against backup QB's or just plain inconsistent starting QBs who were successful the season before so the scoring defense number's is a bit lower than it should be but it is what it is. 

    i think the Pat's scoring defense would still be better than the Falcons if they played "better" competition. Falcons have had chances to prove themselves against good offenses but gave up 30+ pts and against bad offenses they still gave up more points. really 29 pts to the Chiefs and 24 to Eagles? i think these last two playoff defensive performance of giving up only 20 pts is a fluke. it was more like Green Bay killed themselves and were completely not in sync. the score would be more like 44-31. dont get me wrong Falcons defense is much better than last season but not quite where it should be. i dont see the Falcons holding Brady to 20 pts. the Falcons D are going to get killed in the red zone and i can count on the Patriots D to win some of the battles in the red zone.

    one positive thing i have to say about the Falcons. their running back tandem could give the Pats some trouble but if they take out Julio they still have other good recievers for Matt Ryan to get the ball to. it'll be interesting to see how the Pats D gameplans against this offense. it'll be the best offense they faced all year.

    41-27 or 34-27 is the score im seeing here.. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digitalkarma:

    good stuff Claw.

    defense wins championships. it just so happens that lately most of the underdogs were the teams with the best scoring defenses but this year it is the favorite who has the better scoring defense. 

    sure, the Pats played half their games against backup QB's or just plain inconsistent starting QBs who were successful the season before so the scoring defense number's is a bit lower than it should be but it is what it is. 

    i think the Pat's scoring defense would still be better than the Falcons if they played "better" competition. Falcons have had chances to prove themselves against good offenses but gave up 30+ pts and against bad offenses they still gave up more points. really 29 pts to the Chiefs and 24 to Eagles? i think these last two playoff defensive performance of giving up only 20 pts is a fluke. it was more like Green Bay killed themselves and were completely not in sync. the score would be more like 44-31. dont get me wrong Falcons defense is much better than last season but not quite where it should be. i dont see the Falcons holding Brady to 20 pts. the Falcons D are going to get killed in the red zone and i can count on the Patriots D to win some of the battles in the red zone.

    one positive thing i have to say about the Falcons. their running back tandem could give the Pats some trouble but if they take out Julio they still have other good recievers for Matt Ryan to get the ball to. it'll be interesting to see how the Pats D gameplans against this offense. it'll be the best offense they faced all year.

    41-27 or 34-27 is the score im seeing here.. 

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    good stuff Claw.

    defense wins championships. it just so happens that lately most of the underdogs were the teams with the best scoring defenses but this year it is the favorite who has the better scoring defense. 

    sure, the Pats played half their games against backup QB's or just plain inconsistent starting QBs who were successful the season before so the scoring defense number's is a bit lower than it should be but it is what it is. 

    i think the Pat's scoring defense would still be better than the Falcons if they played "better" competition. Falcons have had chances to prove themselves against good offenses but gave up 30+ pts and against bad offenses they still gave up more points. really 29 pts to the Chiefs and 24 to Eagles? i think these last two playoff defensive performance of giving up only 20 pts is a fluke. it was more like Green Bay killed themselves and were completely not in sync. the score would be more like 44-31. dont get me wrong Falcons defense is much better than last season but not quite where it should be. i dont see the Falcons holding Brady to 20 pts. the Falcons D are going to get killed in the red zone and i can count on the Patriots D to win some of the battles in the red zone.

    one positive thing i have to say about the Falcons. their running back tandem could give the Pats some trouble but if they take out Julio they still have other good recievers for Matt Ryan to get the ball to. it'll be interesting to see how the Pats D gameplans against this offense. it'll be the best offense they faced all year.

    41-27 or 34-27 is the score im seeing here.. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 24, 2017 - 8:46 PM ET #71

    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    YARDS PER POINT DIFFERENTIAL........................................

    Pats +5.88
    Falcons +2.31


    yds/pt is a very telling stat in super bowl's, the better team is 14-6 ATS (70%) in games involving bye teams or strong statistical wild card round teams but not the weak wild card round  teams who are the true surprise teams.

    now, total yds diff is directly tied to yds/pt, because the fewer yds a team out-gains it's opp the much easier it is to have a better yds/pt, but along with the better yds/pt comes a smaller margin of victory for those teams which is not a good indicator.


    when the same team has the better yds/pt and the better total yds diff they are 8-1 ATS (88.9%)

    TOTAL YARDS DIFFERENTIAL..................................

    Pats 59.81
    Falcons 44.63

    Pats better in both.

    what I did was come-up with a formula that tries to balance the 2 stats and find the team better in combination of both.

    Pats 14.8
    Falcons 7.93

    Pats by 6.87

    This method I called bonus pts last years playoffs, unforetunately I could not find it this season , mostly because I was working 7 days a week and have been for quite some time.

    It has a very strong ATS record throughout the playoffs with a 4.5 pt diff to closing line.

    If the public pounds Falcons we could have a play on Pats. Line needs to drop to -2.




    BONUS POINTS FORMULA......................................

    since 85 with the bye teams or  stronger wild card round teams

    17-7 SU
    17-6-1 ATS

    when the dog was favored  in the method.............

    7-3 ATS
    5-5 SU

    when the favorite is favored in the method.................

    10-3-1 ATS
    12-2 SU
    which is what we have this year with the 3 pt favorite Pats being favored in the method
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    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    YARDS PER POINT DIFFERENTIAL........................................

    Pats +5.88
    Falcons +2.31


    yds/pt is a very telling stat in super bowl's, the better team is 14-6 ATS (70%) in games involving bye teams or strong statistical wild card round teams but not the weak wild card round  teams who are the true surprise teams.

    now, total yds diff is directly tied to yds/pt, because the fewer yds a team out-gains it's opp the much easier it is to have a better yds/pt, but along with the better yds/pt comes a smaller margin of victory for those teams which is not a good indicator.


    when the same team has the better yds/pt and the better total yds diff they are 8-1 ATS (88.9%)

    TOTAL YARDS DIFFERENTIAL..................................

    Pats 59.81
    Falcons 44.63

    Pats better in both.

    what I did was come-up with a formula that tries to balance the 2 stats and find the team better in combination of both.

    Pats 14.8
    Falcons 7.93

    Pats by 6.87

    This method I called bonus pts last years playoffs, unforetunately I could not find it this season , mostly because I was working 7 days a week and have been for quite some time.

    It has a very strong ATS record throughout the playoffs with a 4.5 pt diff to closing line.

    If the public pounds Falcons we could have a play on Pats. Line needs to drop to -2.




    BONUS POINTS FORMULA......................................

    since 85 with the bye teams or  stronger wild card round teams

    17-7 SU
    17-6-1 ATS

    when the dog was favored  in the method.............

    7-3 ATS
    5-5 SU

    when the favorite is favored in the method.................

    10-3-1 ATS
    12-2 SU
    which is what we have this year with the 3 pt favorite Pats being favored in the method
     
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    Posted: Jan. 24, 2017 - 9:42 PM ET #72

    STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE.......................................

    I took a look at all SB's since 1990 using football-reference SOS which uses their SRS to judge SOS.

    SRS for those who are not familar with it is a power rating using margin of victory plus strength of opponent's margin of victory, so in other words if you play weak teams you need to dominate them.

    Here's the shocker for those who think SOS matters...........of the 52 teams to make the SB since 1990, 24 ranked 27th or worse in SOS.

    Almost half the teams that get to SB played very weak schedules.

    teams 30th ranked or worse are 4-6 ATS in SB.

    teams with at least a 2 point diff are 5-6 ATS, the weaker team is slightly better with a bigger diff in SOS.

    Some of those 2 pt diff games  involved weak surprise WC teams , so we throw those out and get................weaker teams are 3-4 ATS when bye teams or strong wild card teams

    there were 4 SB which saw both teams ranked 27th or worse.

    SOS is just like proven winners, there's nothing to it, just back the better team produces better results long term.

    Here's a incredible  SB, 2004 Pats VS Eagles. .....................

    SOS Pats 1.8, 9th best
    Eagles (-2.3) 27th

    To show the disparity between NFC and AFC, every team in NFC had a negative SOS, every team in the AFC had a positive SOS.

    15 OF 16 teams in the NFC had a -1 or worse SOS
    14 of 16 teams in the AFC had a +1 or better SOS

    Wow, the AFC was heads and shoulders better then the NFC in SOS and had a 2-time SB proven winner QB and team...................and the Eagles covered the spread.


    PR I................

    Eagles 9.89
    Pats 8.46

    Eagles by 1.43.....Eagles +7 have a huge 8.43 over closing line and we have a play with 6 pt diff.  ............8-4 ATS in SB with a 6 pt diff.

    Playoff only PR I.........................

    Eagles 20.42
    Pats 16.37

    Eagles by 4.04 ...... getting +7.........6 pt diff 9-4 ATS.

    Back the better team using key effeincy indicators is your better play.


    Here's a interesting team.........the Bills who made 4 straight SB's

    1990 SOS ranked 32cd
    1991 SOS ranked 32cd
    1992 SOS 30TH
    1993 SOS 28TH

    PR I.........................

    1990 Bills 11.53 - Gmen 11.2 = Bills -.33, Gmen +6.5 to  +7 we have a 6pt diff on Gmen, and a winner.

    Dead even game play-out exactly like that regardless of SOS

    1991 Skins 18.1 - Bills 10.31 = Skins -7.79, Skins -7,  no play

    1992 Boys 10.08 - Bills 5.98 = Boys -4.1, Boys -6.5,  no play

    1993 Boys 10.28 - Bills 4.58 = Boys -5.6, Boys -10.5, no play

    with a 5 pt diff in my lines teams are 15-7 SU
    2 pt fav or more are 20-10 SU 

    When we adjust PRI for better defense we get 

    90 Gmen -4.77
    91 Skins by 13.17
    92 Boys by 6.32
    93 Boys by 6.04 

    pretty good favs over Bills each year with 2 games being 6 pt diff to closing line and both winners.

    2004 Eagles adjusted for better defense becomes Eagles -1.15, still a 6 pt diff. but a close game is indicated by the small line .

    While the Eagles lost SU as a very small fav, all 4 teams playing Bills as 6 pt or more favs won SU.

    The Bills while playing weak schedules could not out-play their opponents by much, how they played those opponents was the better indicator.

    The Eagles out-played their opps  more then the Pats did so playing a far easier schedule , how they played that schedule was more important then the easy schedule itself.

    And this is how I determine things like.................

    when the team with a easy schedule is the better team they cover
    when the team with the easy schedule is not the better team they fail to cover

    back the better team..............................
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    STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE.......................................

    I took a look at all SB's since 1990 using football-reference SOS which uses their SRS to judge SOS.

    SRS for those who are not familar with it is a power rating using margin of victory plus strength of opponent's margin of victory, so in other words if you play weak teams you need to dominate them.

    Here's the shocker for those who think SOS matters...........of the 52 teams to make the SB since 1990, 24 ranked 27th or worse in SOS.

    Almost half the teams that get to SB played very weak schedules.

    teams 30th ranked or worse are 4-6 ATS in SB.

    teams with at least a 2 point diff are 5-6 ATS, the weaker team is slightly better with a bigger diff in SOS.

    Some of those 2 pt diff games  involved weak surprise WC teams , so we throw those out and get................weaker teams are 3-4 ATS when bye teams or strong wild card teams

    there were 4 SB which saw both teams ranked 27th or worse.

    SOS is just like proven winners, there's nothing to it, just back the better team produces better results long term.

    Here's a incredible  SB, 2004 Pats VS Eagles. .....................

    SOS Pats 1.8, 9th best
    Eagles (-2.3) 27th

    To show the disparity between NFC and AFC, every team in NFC had a negative SOS, every team in the AFC had a positive SOS.

    15 OF 16 teams in the NFC had a -1 or worse SOS
    14 of 16 teams in the AFC had a +1 or better SOS

    Wow, the AFC was heads and shoulders better then the NFC in SOS and had a 2-time SB proven winner QB and team...................and the Eagles covered the spread.


    PR I................

    Eagles 9.89
    Pats 8.46

    Eagles by 1.43.....Eagles +7 have a huge 8.43 over closing line and we have a play with 6 pt diff.  ............8-4 ATS in SB with a 6 pt diff.

    Playoff only PR I.........................

    Eagles 20.42
    Pats 16.37

    Eagles by 4.04 ...... getting +7.........6 pt diff 9-4 ATS.

    Back the better team using key effeincy indicators is your better play.


    Here's a interesting team.........the Bills who made 4 straight SB's

    1990 SOS ranked 32cd
    1991 SOS ranked 32cd
    1992 SOS 30TH
    1993 SOS 28TH

    PR I.........................

    1990 Bills 11.53 - Gmen 11.2 = Bills -.33, Gmen +6.5 to  +7 we have a 6pt diff on Gmen, and a winner.

    Dead even game play-out exactly like that regardless of SOS

    1991 Skins 18.1 - Bills 10.31 = Skins -7.79, Skins -7,  no play

    1992 Boys 10.08 - Bills 5.98 = Boys -4.1, Boys -6.5,  no play

    1993 Boys 10.28 - Bills 4.58 = Boys -5.6, Boys -10.5, no play

    with a 5 pt diff in my lines teams are 15-7 SU
    2 pt fav or more are 20-10 SU 

    When we adjust PRI for better defense we get 

    90 Gmen -4.77
    91 Skins by 13.17
    92 Boys by 6.32
    93 Boys by 6.04 

    pretty good favs over Bills each year with 2 games being 6 pt diff to closing line and both winners.

    2004 Eagles adjusted for better defense becomes Eagles -1.15, still a 6 pt diff. but a close game is indicated by the small line .

    While the Eagles lost SU as a very small fav, all 4 teams playing Bills as 6 pt or more favs won SU.

    The Bills while playing weak schedules could not out-play their opponents by much, how they played those opponents was the better indicator.

    The Eagles out-played their opps  more then the Pats did so playing a far easier schedule , how they played that schedule was more important then the easy schedule itself.

    And this is how I determine things like.................

    when the team with a easy schedule is the better team they cover
    when the team with the easy schedule is not the better team they fail to cover

    back the better team..............................
     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2017 - 7:04 AM ET #73

    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    SUPER BOWL..............................................

    my lines....................

    PR I..........Pats -.91 over Falcons 

    PRII..........Pats -1.72 over Falcons


    Looks like a pretty even game with my lines leaning Falcons on the spread.


    Will you back the "proven winner" or the 1st time team ? 
    Or the better team ?

    Will be back with alot more info and my playoff only lines.........................


    PR I............................

    A fav of 2 or less since 1977 is.................2-5 SU.

    These 2 teams are very evenly matched and in this case the lower ranked team has won more often over history.


    DEFENSE ADJUSTED.................................

    PR II already includes extra credit for better defense, PRI we adjust for better defense in SB.

    Pats with a top rated defense and Falcons a bottom of league defense...................BUT Pats receive just 2.88 pts.

    Pats - 3.79 over Falcons

    since 1977 teams favored b y 5 pts or more are ......18-5 SU not including weak surprise WC round teams.

    teams favored by 2 to 4.99 are ................4-3 SU

    Basically the PR's give us no edge at all, it is just to close a matchup in this years SB.


    Interesting that the Pats top rated defense compared to Falcons bottom rated defense only scores 2.88 pts...............

    2013 Seahawks scored 7.24 pts over Broncos .

    2002 Bucs scored 8.61 over Raiders.

    2000 Ravens scored 3.1 over Giants but the Giants were a very good defensive team themselves.

    1990 Giants scored 5.1 pts over Bills
    1991 Skins scored 5.38 over Bills
    1996 Packers scored 5.46 over Pats

    Are the Pats that much better then Falcons in key eff indicators ?

    defensive ave per pass att...........................

    Pats 6.04, 7th
    Falcons 6.17, 11th

    don't see it there...........................

    defensive QBPR.........................

    Pats 84.4, 8th
    Falcons 92.37, 22cd

    we find a little bit here with a 7.97 diff, but not a huge diff you'd expect based on the rankings of the 2 teams, this pales compared to other defensive mismatches in other SB's.

    seems to indicate Falcons might just be in this game with a chance to win SU........................................
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    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    SUPER BOWL..............................................

    my lines....................

    PR I..........Pats -.91 over Falcons 

    PRII..........Pats -1.72 over Falcons


    Looks like a pretty even game with my lines leaning Falcons on the spread.


    Will you back the "proven winner" or the 1st time team ? 
    Or the better team ?

    Will be back with alot more info and my playoff only lines.........................


    PR I............................

    A fav of 2 or less since 1977 is.................2-5 SU.

    These 2 teams are very evenly matched and in this case the lower ranked team has won more often over history.


    DEFENSE ADJUSTED.................................

    PR II already includes extra credit for better defense, PRI we adjust for better defense in SB.

    Pats with a top rated defense and Falcons a bottom of league defense...................BUT Pats receive just 2.88 pts.

    Pats - 3.79 over Falcons

    since 1977 teams favored b y 5 pts or more are ......18-5 SU not including weak surprise WC round teams.

    teams favored by 2 to 4.99 are ................4-3 SU

    Basically the PR's give us no edge at all, it is just to close a matchup in this years SB.


    Interesting that the Pats top rated defense compared to Falcons bottom rated defense only scores 2.88 pts...............

    2013 Seahawks scored 7.24 pts over Broncos .

    2002 Bucs scored 8.61 over Raiders.

    2000 Ravens scored 3.1 over Giants but the Giants were a very good defensive team themselves.

    1990 Giants scored 5.1 pts over Bills
    1991 Skins scored 5.38 over Bills
    1996 Packers scored 5.46 over Pats

    Are the Pats that much better then Falcons in key eff indicators ?

    defensive ave per pass att...........................

    Pats 6.04, 7th
    Falcons 6.17, 11th

    don't see it there...........................

    defensive QBPR.........................

    Pats 84.4, 8th
    Falcons 92.37, 22cd

    we find a little bit here with a 7.97 diff, but not a huge diff you'd expect based on the rankings of the 2 teams, this pales compared to other defensive mismatches in other SB's.

    seems to indicate Falcons might just be in this game with a chance to win SU........................................
     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2017 - 7:30 AM ET #74

    PLAYOFF ONLY PR I........................................

    Falcons 20.22
    Pats 13.03

    Falcons by 7.19

    My lines lean  is 15-4-1 ATS since 1997 when the surprise teams from wild card round began their assault on the SB.

    6 pt diff to closing .................10-4 ATS




    PLAYOFF ONLY VALUE ...................................

    value tells us how a teams play on the field compares with the final score, did a team win the battles on the field to justify the final score ?


    Falcons +.72
    Pats (-7.8)

    Falcons by 8.52

    since 1997 team better in value is...............13-6-1 ATS
    5 pt diff in value...........................................6-3-1 ATS
    4.5 DIFF.....................................................9-3-1 ATS.



    Seems to indicate huge advantage Falcons............................


    we'll breakdown playoff defenses based on opp and we'll compare past no.1 offenses VS no.1 defenses and see if there is any difference in this game that could create an edge for us.

    coming next few days.......................................
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    PLAYOFF ONLY PR I........................................

    Falcons 20.22
    Pats 13.03

    Falcons by 7.19

    My lines lean  is 15-4-1 ATS since 1997 when the surprise teams from wild card round began their assault on the SB.

    6 pt diff to closing .................10-4 ATS




    PLAYOFF ONLY VALUE ...................................

    value tells us how a teams play on the field compares with the final score, did a team win the battles on the field to justify the final score ?


    Falcons +.72
    Pats (-7.8)

    Falcons by 8.52

    since 1997 team better in value is...............13-6-1 ATS
    5 pt diff in value...........................................6-3-1 ATS
    4.5 DIFF.....................................................9-3-1 ATS.



    Seems to indicate huge advantage Falcons............................


    we'll breakdown playoff defenses based on opp and we'll compare past no.1 offenses VS no.1 defenses and see if there is any difference in this game that could create an edge for us.

    coming next few days.......................................
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2017 - 6:37 PM ET #75

    One of the best threads and research I've ever seen on this site. Thank you for all the info, time and effort, much appreciated. Wish I would have read your thread on falcons packers before I lossed my behind on packers. Hopefully make it up on SB. Thanks again 
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    One of the best threads and research I've ever seen on this site. Thank you for all the info, time and effort, much appreciated. Wish I would have read your thread on falcons packers before I lossed my behind on packers. Hopefully make it up on SB. Thanks again 
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