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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2013 - 12:34 PM ET #526

    Its funny that useless threads like this garner 500+ replies, but good threads talking FOOTBALL loaded with good info get nothing.

    Truly shows just how brain dead the majority of folk are here.
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    Its funny that useless threads like this garner 500+ replies, but good threads talking FOOTBALL loaded with good info get nothing.

    Truly shows just how brain dead the majority of folk are here.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2013 - 12:56 PM ET #527

    They keep rehashing the same "points", yet still no one can answer my one question specifically.  WHY WOULD THE NFL RISK LOSING BILLIONS THEY'RE ALREADY MAKING FOR A SCANDAL?   So far, I have read:

    1.  Suggs isn't afraid of Goodell
    2.  Goodell's 20+ million salary is not enough for him
    3.  Better "stories" lead to better tv ratings
    4.  Links to other sites and YouTube videos of previous "fixes"

    If those are the only concrete proof you have to believe that this weekends games are scripted, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

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    They keep rehashing the same "points", yet still no one can answer my one question specifically.  WHY WOULD THE NFL RISK LOSING BILLIONS THEY'RE ALREADY MAKING FOR A SCANDAL?   So far, I have read:

    1.  Suggs isn't afraid of Goodell
    2.  Goodell's 20+ million salary is not enough for him
    3.  Better "stories" lead to better tv ratings
    4.  Links to other sites and YouTube videos of previous "fixes"

    If those are the only concrete proof you have to believe that this weekends games are scripted, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2013 - 2:35 PM ET #528

    It's like when I found out the WWF was staged at the age of 10. Heartbreaking. Some of you are way too old to be told what is real and fake anymore. Doesn't mean it's not true. We are a country of consumers, and profit. If there's money involved, you best believe someone is doing something to get the most out of it... 
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    It's like when I found out the WWF was staged at the age of 10. Heartbreaking. Some of you are way too old to be told what is real and fake anymore. Doesn't mean it's not true. We are a country of consumers, and profit. If there's money involved, you best believe someone is doing something to get the most out of it... 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2013 - 2:52 PM ET #529

    Quote Originally Posted by AfadeAday:

    They keep rehashing the same "points", yet still no one can answer my one question specifically.  WHY WOULD THE NFL RISK LOSING BILLIONS THEY'RE ALREADY MAKING FOR A SCANDAL?   So far, I have read:

    1.  Suggs isn't afraid of Goodell
    2.  Goodell's 20+ million salary is not enough for him
    3.  Better "stories" lead to better tv ratings
    4.  Links to other sites and YouTube videos of previous "fixes"

    If those are the only concrete proof you have to believe that this weekends games are scripted, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.




    You are speaking with the assumption that there are risks involved. When legally, the NFL isn't responsible for the integrity of the games. Do your research. The NFL has had many scandals regarding betting, and has always prevailed. Most recently they were sued a few years back by a NE Pats after the spygate scandal. He stated he deserved his season tickets to be fully refunded because he didn't pay to watch to an unfair game with the other team having a clear disadvantage. The ruling obviously ended with an NFL victory, because the NFL does not have to give their fans a "real" game, all you paid to see was a football game from beginning to end, and that is all that is required. It's hard to believe we have billionaire owners who thrive off making money, and there's this other billion dollar industry they could tap into and NOT be involved. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by AfadeAday:

    They keep rehashing the same "points", yet still no one can answer my one question specifically.  WHY WOULD THE NFL RISK LOSING BILLIONS THEY'RE ALREADY MAKING FOR A SCANDAL?   So far, I have read:

    1.  Suggs isn't afraid of Goodell
    2.  Goodell's 20+ million salary is not enough for him
    3.  Better "stories" lead to better tv ratings
    4.  Links to other sites and YouTube videos of previous "fixes"

    If those are the only concrete proof you have to believe that this weekends games are scripted, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.




    You are speaking with the assumption that there are risks involved. When legally, the NFL isn't responsible for the integrity of the games. Do your research. The NFL has had many scandals regarding betting, and has always prevailed. Most recently they were sued a few years back by a NE Pats after the spygate scandal. He stated he deserved his season tickets to be fully refunded because he didn't pay to watch to an unfair game with the other team having a clear disadvantage. The ruling obviously ended with an NFL victory, because the NFL does not have to give their fans a "real" game, all you paid to see was a football game from beginning to end, and that is all that is required. It's hard to believe we have billionaire owners who thrive off making money, and there's this other billion dollar industry they could tap into and NOT be involved. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2013 - 3:08 PM ET #530

    Quote Originally Posted by NguyenAllDay:




    You are speaking with the assumption that there are risks involved. When legally, the NFL isn't responsible for the integrity of the games. Do your research. The NFL has had many scandals regarding betting, and has always prevailed. Most recently they were sued a few years back by a NE Pats after the spygate scandal. He stated he deserved his season tickets to be fully refunded because he didn't pay to watch to an unfair game with the other team having a clear disadvantage. The ruling obviously ended with an NFL victory, because the NFL does not have to give their fans a "real" game, all you paid to see was a football game from beginning to end, and that is all that is required. It's hard to believe we have billionaire owners who thrive off making money, and there's this other billion dollar industry they could tap into and NOT be involved. 

    Don't believe it... Trust me... I LOVE SQUARES!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NguyenAllDay:




    You are speaking with the assumption that there are risks involved. When legally, the NFL isn't responsible for the integrity of the games. Do your research. The NFL has had many scandals regarding betting, and has always prevailed. Most recently they were sued a few years back by a NE Pats after the spygate scandal. He stated he deserved his season tickets to be fully refunded because he didn't pay to watch to an unfair game with the other team having a clear disadvantage. The ruling obviously ended with an NFL victory, because the NFL does not have to give their fans a "real" game, all you paid to see was a football game from beginning to end, and that is all that is required. It's hard to believe we have billionaire owners who thrive off making money, and there's this other billion dollar industry they could tap into and NOT be involved. 

    Don't believe it... Trust me... I LOVE SQUARES!!!!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2013 - 3:09 PM ET #531

    Quote Originally Posted by PatriotsFan:

    It's like when I found out the WWF was staged at the age of 10. Heartbreaking. Some of you are way too old to be told what is real and fake anymore. Doesn't mean it's not true. We are a country of consumers, and profit. If there's money involved, you best believe someone is doing something to get the most out of it... 

    Yay someone spoke with common sense... 
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatriotsFan:

    It's like when I found out the WWF was staged at the age of 10. Heartbreaking. Some of you are way too old to be told what is real and fake anymore. Doesn't mean it's not true. We are a country of consumers, and profit. If there's money involved, you best believe someone is doing something to get the most out of it... 

    Yay someone spoke with common sense... 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2013 - 3:11 PM ET #532

    Quote Originally Posted by NguyenAllDay:




    You are speaking with the assumption that there are risks involved. When legally, the NFL isn't responsible for the integrity of the games. Do your research. The NFL has had many scandals regarding betting, and has always prevailed. Most recently they were sued a few years back by a NE Pats after the spygate scandal. He stated he deserved his season tickets to be fully refunded because he didn't pay to watch to an unfair game with the other team having a clear disadvantage. The ruling obviously ended with an NFL victory, because the NFL does not have to give their fans a "real" game, all you paid to see was a football game from beginning to end, and that is all that is required. It's hard to believe we have billionaire owners who thrive off making money, and there's this other billion dollar industry they could tap into and NOT be involved. 

    You are right, they're not legally obligated to give the "ticket holders" a legit game.  But if they're fixing games for a gambling purpose, then it is illegal.  That's why the feds were involved with the NBA, because gambling and money was involved.  There is a difference.  

    And yes there are risks, even with the gambling and money angle out.  They're risking their hardcore viewership who watches weekly for a legit game.  The millions of people who indirectly pay for the league by buying hats, jerseys, etc, is the reason big sponsors are lining up to buy commercial spots for millions of dollars.  Scripting games presents a huge risk for their league integrity, which in turn risks losing their ratings, which in turn loses the cash cow.  Keeping the league legit is the best thing they can do to keep printing money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NguyenAllDay:




    You are speaking with the assumption that there are risks involved. When legally, the NFL isn't responsible for the integrity of the games. Do your research. The NFL has had many scandals regarding betting, and has always prevailed. Most recently they were sued a few years back by a NE Pats after the spygate scandal. He stated he deserved his season tickets to be fully refunded because he didn't pay to watch to an unfair game with the other team having a clear disadvantage. The ruling obviously ended with an NFL victory, because the NFL does not have to give their fans a "real" game, all you paid to see was a football game from beginning to end, and that is all that is required. It's hard to believe we have billionaire owners who thrive off making money, and there's this other billion dollar industry they could tap into and NOT be involved. 

    You are right, they're not legally obligated to give the "ticket holders" a legit game.  But if they're fixing games for a gambling purpose, then it is illegal.  That's why the feds were involved with the NBA, because gambling and money was involved.  There is a difference.  

    And yes there are risks, even with the gambling and money angle out.  They're risking their hardcore viewership who watches weekly for a legit game.  The millions of people who indirectly pay for the league by buying hats, jerseys, etc, is the reason big sponsors are lining up to buy commercial spots for millions of dollars.  Scripting games presents a huge risk for their league integrity, which in turn risks losing their ratings, which in turn loses the cash cow.  Keeping the league legit is the best thing they can do to keep printing money.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2013 - 3:13 PM ET #533

    going on 30000 views... None of these noobs has actually read through the whole thread.. They come in here as if we hurt their egos.. yeah tough luck to me i was 12 when i realized wrestling was fake... I remember the Ultimate warrior dies.. LOL .. now its all just entertainment.. And that is what the ticket says... For entertainment.. Legal it sounds like they can do whatever they want considering when you buy a ticket to see a game,, that is what it guarantees,, is a game that's it..... Which is fine for me.. Didnt hurt my ego in anyway... Whatever you non believers choose to believe is fine as well.. But everything stated on this thread is backed by proof... Theres quite a few people here that DO NOT TALK OUT OF THEIR A S S H O L E S ... BECAUSE IT STINKS
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    going on 30000 views... None of these noobs has actually read through the whole thread.. They come in here as if we hurt their egos.. yeah tough luck to me i was 12 when i realized wrestling was fake... I remember the Ultimate warrior dies.. LOL .. now its all just entertainment.. And that is what the ticket says... For entertainment.. Legal it sounds like they can do whatever they want considering when you buy a ticket to see a game,, that is what it guarantees,, is a game that's it..... Which is fine for me.. Didnt hurt my ego in anyway... Whatever you non believers choose to believe is fine as well.. But everything stated on this thread is backed by proof... Theres quite a few people here that DO NOT TALK OUT OF THEIR A S S H O L E S ... BECAUSE IT STINKS
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2013 - 3:19 PM ET #534

    Quote Originally Posted by HoldingXYZ:

    going on 30000 views... None of these noobs has actually read through the whole thread.. They come in here as if we hurt their egos.. yeah tough luck to me i was 12 when i realized wrestling was fake... I remember the Ultimate warrior dies.. LOL .. now its all just entertainment.. And that is what the ticket says... For entertainment.. Legal it sounds like they can do whatever they want considering when you buy a ticket to see a game,, that is what it guarantees,, is a game that's it..... Which is fine for me.. Didnt hurt my ego in anyway... Whatever you non believers choose to believe is fine as well.. But everything stated on this thread is backed by proof... Theres quite a few people here that DO NOT TALK OUT OF THEIR A S S H O L E S ... BECAUSE IT STINKS


    That's why you're not allowed to bet on wrestling, your analogy really doesnt apply.  If the NFL was to be found scripting their games, all the sportbooks wouldnt be able to put NFL games on their board anymore.  THINK about it, can you go to vegas and bet a WWE event?  Its not comparable...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoldingXYZ:

    going on 30000 views... None of these noobs has actually read through the whole thread.. They come in here as if we hurt their egos.. yeah tough luck to me i was 12 when i realized wrestling was fake... I remember the Ultimate warrior dies.. LOL .. now its all just entertainment.. And that is what the ticket says... For entertainment.. Legal it sounds like they can do whatever they want considering when you buy a ticket to see a game,, that is what it guarantees,, is a game that's it..... Which is fine for me.. Didnt hurt my ego in anyway... Whatever you non believers choose to believe is fine as well.. But everything stated on this thread is backed by proof... Theres quite a few people here that DO NOT TALK OUT OF THEIR A S S H O L E S ... BECAUSE IT STINKS


    That's why you're not allowed to bet on wrestling, your analogy really doesnt apply.  If the NFL was to be found scripting their games, all the sportbooks wouldnt be able to put NFL games on their board anymore.  THINK about it, can you go to vegas and bet a WWE event?  Its not comparable...

     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2013 - 3:24 PM ET #535

    Quote Originally Posted by PatriotsFan:

    It's like when I found out the WWF was staged at the age of 10. Heartbreaking. Some of you are way too old to be told what is real and fake anymore. Doesn't mean it's not true. We are a country of consumers, and profit. If there's money involved, you best believe someone is doing something to get the most out of it... 

    Not heartbreaking, it just doesn't make sense.  I never said games haven't been fixed before, I said that the NFL doesn't need to script their games for more money.  Scripting games only puts their already made billions at risk.  You're right, someone is doing something to get the most out of it, trying to keep it legit is how they can keep getting the most out of the product on the field.  Please read my points more clearly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatriotsFan:

    It's like when I found out the WWF was staged at the age of 10. Heartbreaking. Some of you are way too old to be told what is real and fake anymore. Doesn't mean it's not true. We are a country of consumers, and profit. If there's money involved, you best believe someone is doing something to get the most out of it... 

    Not heartbreaking, it just doesn't make sense.  I never said games haven't been fixed before, I said that the NFL doesn't need to script their games for more money.  Scripting games only puts their already made billions at risk.  You're right, someone is doing something to get the most out of it, trying to keep it legit is how they can keep getting the most out of the product on the field.  Please read my points more clearly...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by AfadeAday:





    see forget about fixing and not fixing
    just think of it like this...the casinos are great friends with the leagues...end of conversation..think what else u want to think


    if you have a friend that runs a lottery system
    and you are best friends with him...what do u think ur mind will run through? end of conversation
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    Quote Originally Posted by AfadeAday:





    see forget about fixing and not fixing
    just think of it like this...the casinos are great friends with the leagues...end of conversation..think what else u want to think


    if you have a friend that runs a lottery system
    and you are best friends with him...what do u think ur mind will run through? end of conversation
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2013 - 3:34 PM ET #537

    You want to get into details... To ultimately find a way to win right?
    Then whats all this confusion? Maybe non believers shouldnt post on this thread... 
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    You want to get into details... To ultimately find a way to win right?
    Then whats all this confusion? Maybe non believers shouldnt post on this thread... 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2013 - 3:34 PM ET #538

    Hey "Fade!"....I directed you to a site, www.thefixisin......If you want documentation, players, games etc----IT IS THERE FOR YA!....I really encourage you to read excerpts from the latest book there....Again, I am NOT saying that "ALL" games are fix jobs....Nor am I saying that games are scripted, you know, somewhat like a play... DOWN BY DOWN!.....THAT is impossible, as we know....However, I do say that certain games are shady and controlled....And indeed, it is for entertainment, as printed, and as such, the outcome can be determined....Have a nice week.....
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    Hey "Fade!"....I directed you to a site, www.thefixisin......If you want documentation, players, games etc----IT IS THERE FOR YA!....I really encourage you to read excerpts from the latest book there....Again, I am NOT saying that "ALL" games are fix jobs....Nor am I saying that games are scripted, you know, somewhat like a play... DOWN BY DOWN!.....THAT is impossible, as we know....However, I do say that certain games are shady and controlled....And indeed, it is for entertainment, as printed, and as such, the outcome can be determined....Have a nice week.....
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2013 - 4:06 PM ET #539

    Quote Originally Posted by inthetank:

    Hey "Fade!"....I directed you to a site, www.thefixisin......If you want documentation, players, games etc----IT IS THERE FOR YA!....I really encourage you to read excerpts from the latest book there....Again, I am NOT saying that "ALL" games are fix jobs....Nor am I saying that games are scripted, you know, somewhat like a play... DOWN BY DOWN!.....THAT is impossible, as we know....However, I do say that certain games are shady and controlled....And indeed, it is for entertainment, as printed, and as such, the outcome can be determined....Have a nice week.....


    That's cool and all, but you're still missing my point.  I'll say again, I fully agree that fixes have been in before and games may be fixed in the future.  But only by players/refs and NOT the nfl.  You don't have to convince me of fixed games that have happened in the past.  My point remains, the NFL gains nothing and stands to lose everything by scripting games, so why would they want to be known as a fake league like wrestling?    

    Again, stop bringing up players, refs, bookies and previous fixes.  I'm not talking about them, I'm talking about how scripting games this weekend or in the future only hurts the NFL.  If someone can give me a reason how it helps the NFL, that'd be more convincing.  They have money, ratings, popularity, huge sponsorships, what else can they gain?

    The reasoning of "games have been fixed before", just isn't enough for me to believe the NFL scripts its games.  I need something more concrete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inthetank:

    Hey "Fade!"....I directed you to a site, www.thefixisin......If you want documentation, players, games etc----IT IS THERE FOR YA!....I really encourage you to read excerpts from the latest book there....Again, I am NOT saying that "ALL" games are fix jobs....Nor am I saying that games are scripted, you know, somewhat like a play... DOWN BY DOWN!.....THAT is impossible, as we know....However, I do say that certain games are shady and controlled....And indeed, it is for entertainment, as printed, and as such, the outcome can be determined....Have a nice week.....


    That's cool and all, but you're still missing my point.  I'll say again, I fully agree that fixes have been in before and games may be fixed in the future.  But only by players/refs and NOT the nfl.  You don't have to convince me of fixed games that have happened in the past.  My point remains, the NFL gains nothing and stands to lose everything by scripting games, so why would they want to be known as a fake league like wrestling?    

    Again, stop bringing up players, refs, bookies and previous fixes.  I'm not talking about them, I'm talking about how scripting games this weekend or in the future only hurts the NFL.  If someone can give me a reason how it helps the NFL, that'd be more convincing.  They have money, ratings, popularity, huge sponsorships, what else can they gain?

    The reasoning of "games have been fixed before", just isn't enough for me to believe the NFL scripts its games.  I need something more concrete.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2013 - 4:10 PM ET #540

    Ok so....what does tonight's line dictate?? Fixed or not, bottom line is that we need to be on the right side to win. Soooo, which side is the right side tonight? 
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    Ok so....what does tonight's line dictate?? Fixed or not, bottom line is that we need to be on the right side to win. Soooo, which side is the right side tonight? 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2013 - 4:13 PM ET #541

    Quote Originally Posted by HoldingXYZ:

    You want to get into details... To ultimately find a way to win right?
    Then whats all this confusion? Maybe non believers shouldnt post on this thread... 

    Don't agree that non-believers shouldn't post in here because these discussion could lead to a winner for someone, but fully agree on the winning part, believers should pick some winners regularly and no one will care if believers claim Roger Goodell is actually an alien.  Speaking of which, any fishy angles for this weekends games?  
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoldingXYZ:

    You want to get into details... To ultimately find a way to win right?
    Then whats all this confusion? Maybe non believers shouldnt post on this thread... 

    Don't agree that non-believers shouldn't post in here because these discussion could lead to a winner for someone, but fully agree on the winning part, believers should pick some winners regularly and no one will care if believers claim Roger Goodell is actually an alien.  Speaking of which, any fishy angles for this weekends games?  
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2013 - 4:16 PM ET #542

    Why would the nfl risk billions ? 


    The nfl made its billions by corruption in the first place, 

    40 years ago nfl players had part time jobs. Point shaving has paid the bills for decades 
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    Why would the nfl risk billions ? 


    The nfl made its billions by corruption in the first place, 

    40 years ago nfl players had part time jobs. Point shaving has paid the bills for decades 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2013 - 4:25 PM ET #543

    So you made billions by corruption because you started with nothing, that makes sense.  But now that you have billions and everything you want, you'd risk losing it all by engaging in more on going corruption?  Maybe the NFL is that dumb, but I surely would go clean after I made my money and its flowing in like water without the need for further corruption...seems like an easy and logical choice to just sit back and let it do its own thing.  Even Stringer Bell (from The Wire, for those living under a rock), wanted to go straight after he made his money on the street, because its just way smarter.
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    So you made billions by corruption because you started with nothing, that makes sense.  But now that you have billions and everything you want, you'd risk losing it all by engaging in more on going corruption?  Maybe the NFL is that dumb, but I surely would go clean after I made my money and its flowing in like water without the need for further corruption...seems like an easy and logical choice to just sit back and let it do its own thing.  Even Stringer Bell (from The Wire, for those living under a rock), wanted to go straight after he made his money on the street, because its just way smarter.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2013 - 4:33 PM ET #544

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    see forget about fixing and not fixing
    just think of it like this...the casinos are great friends with the leagues...end of conversation..think what else u want to think


    if you have a friend that runs a lottery system
    and you are best friends with him...what do u think ur mind will run through? end of conversation


    NFL is friends with Vegas?  As in, Roger goes there and scripts games with "Vegas"?  Roger and "Vegas" gets together for a drink of Louis XIII and discuss who will win this weekend and by how much?  You're so vague, is this what you're trying to say?

    If my friend owned a lottery, rules would clearly state I couldn't win.  Kinda like if your brother works at a radio station, you can't win the promotional prizes.  It always says "friends/family/close associate prohibited from winning.  Oh and saying "end of convo" doesn't make what you say true... Just FYI.  
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    see forget about fixing and not fixing
    just think of it like this...the casinos are great friends with the leagues...end of conversation..think what else u want to think


    if you have a friend that runs a lottery system
    and you are best friends with him...what do u think ur mind will run through? end of conversation


    NFL is friends with Vegas?  As in, Roger goes there and scripts games with "Vegas"?  Roger and "Vegas" gets together for a drink of Louis XIII and discuss who will win this weekend and by how much?  You're so vague, is this what you're trying to say?

    If my friend owned a lottery, rules would clearly state I couldn't win.  Kinda like if your brother works at a radio station, you can't win the promotional prizes.  It always says "friends/family/close associate prohibited from winning.  Oh and saying "end of convo" doesn't make what you say true... Just FYI.  
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2013 - 4:46 PM ET #545

    I have a friend who once had the honor of meeting Jack Kent Cooke.  At one point, their conversation turned to NFL betting, point spreads, and such.  Jack Kent Cooke told him:  "Don't ever bet on an NFL game.  The outcome is too easily manipulated".  

    This has obviously not stopped me wagering on NFL games.  I don't think they're all fixed.  If anyone wants to fix games, they sure as hell don't want to fix all of them.  Why would they?  You would only have to fix a game once in a while to make an assload of money anyway.  
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    I have a friend who once had the honor of meeting Jack Kent Cooke.  At one point, their conversation turned to NFL betting, point spreads, and such.  Jack Kent Cooke told him:  "Don't ever bet on an NFL game.  The outcome is too easily manipulated".  

    This has obviously not stopped me wagering on NFL games.  I don't think they're all fixed.  If anyone wants to fix games, they sure as hell don't want to fix all of them.  Why would they?  You would only have to fix a game once in a while to make an assload of money anyway.  
     
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    I'd imagine it'd be a little difficult to script games. Fixes for gambling are very identifiable. I posted a video that proved that. I totally agree only17-20% of games are decided by the spread. But its not just point spreads you have to look at. Its the entire gambling picture. Lines are made and used to, you could predict the outcome regardless of a spread. Now with algorithms at work, take a look at sharp those lines are as a whole. Totals, teasers, ect. You mean to tell me a computer is that sharp to understand that bettign oe way or another using the numbers can guarantee a win? Humans play the game. Money is involved and there is corruption.Look at teams on paper. Why is it that it doesnt go according to that paper? If team A is elite and team B is sub par, then how is it team B covers a spread, a total, a teaser? How is it that team B comes back form behind on a last ditch effort to "almost" win the game? Team A just ran up the score and simply gave up? You mena to tell me in 7.5 minutes during half time, a coach gave a superhuman speech that gave confidence to his team to come out and come from behind to win or almost win the game? To cover the spread they shouldnt have covered? Many who dont believe in games having a fix want to to think that if it was fixed, it was fixed for a team to win or lose. Noone can guarantee a win except Joe Namath. But they CAN guarantee a loss.  Lines are made and ppl gamble and if somoen inside the circle of the NFL decides to gamble, they can manipulte things to win their bets.

    As for scripted. Well...if you look at certain instances such as 911 or Hurricane Katrina, it was a "feel good story" right? Last yr's Harbaugh vs Harbaugh. Rematch of ELI vs Brady. I guess the instance could feel that way. But imo, theres not enough there to make that prediction. If the Saints were to play Denver in this yrs SB, would it be scripted as a Brees vs Manning SB again? It's too hard to say. Sometimes I do feel feel there's instances where scripts are involved to make the game much more exciting. But to sit here and say before the season ever starts that team A will face team B in a SB is a little hard ot believe. I think perhaps it could be a story that progresses. But I know one thing: that its a billion dollar industry and its finding ways to make the most profit yr in and yr out...

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    I'd imagine it'd be a little difficult to script games. Fixes for gambling are very identifiable. I posted a video that proved that. I totally agree only17-20% of games are decided by the spread. But its not just point spreads you have to look at. Its the entire gambling picture. Lines are made and used to, you could predict the outcome regardless of a spread. Now with algorithms at work, take a look at sharp those lines are as a whole. Totals, teasers, ect. You mean to tell me a computer is that sharp to understand that bettign oe way or another using the numbers can guarantee a win? Humans play the game. Money is involved and there is corruption.Look at teams on paper. Why is it that it doesnt go according to that paper? If team A is elite and team B is sub par, then how is it team B covers a spread, a total, a teaser? How is it that team B comes back form behind on a last ditch effort to "almost" win the game? Team A just ran up the score and simply gave up? You mena to tell me in 7.5 minutes during half time, a coach gave a superhuman speech that gave confidence to his team to come out and come from behind to win or almost win the game? To cover the spread they shouldnt have covered? Many who dont believe in games having a fix want to to think that if it was fixed, it was fixed for a team to win or lose. Noone can guarantee a win except Joe Namath. But they CAN guarantee a loss.  Lines are made and ppl gamble and if somoen inside the circle of the NFL decides to gamble, they can manipulte things to win their bets.

    As for scripted. Well...if you look at certain instances such as 911 or Hurricane Katrina, it was a "feel good story" right? Last yr's Harbaugh vs Harbaugh. Rematch of ELI vs Brady. I guess the instance could feel that way. But imo, theres not enough there to make that prediction. If the Saints were to play Denver in this yrs SB, would it be scripted as a Brees vs Manning SB again? It's too hard to say. Sometimes I do feel feel there's instances where scripts are involved to make the game much more exciting. But to sit here and say before the season ever starts that team A will face team B in a SB is a little hard ot believe. I think perhaps it could be a story that progresses. But I know one thing: that its a billion dollar industry and its finding ways to make the most profit yr in and yr out...

     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2013 - 5:22 PM ET #547

    so whats the pick for tonight? browns trade their best player qb goes down and they win 2 and a row. ppl tired of losing money betting against the browns?  buffalo plus 4 is the play.

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    so whats the pick for tonight? browns trade their best player qb goes down and they win 2 and a row. ppl tired of losing money betting against the browns?  buffalo plus 4 is the play.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2013 - 5:35 PM ET #548

    didn't read any of this

    this guy creates the DUMBEST threads

    many of you probably don't bet tennis but apparently this clown does

    he clearly doesn't know tennis, he freaks out about the smallest things in tennis

    it'd be like in football a team getting 2 first downs in a row he'll make a thread saying they're going to win the game in a rout

    guy is an idiot
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    didn't read any of this

    this guy creates the DUMBEST threads

    many of you probably don't bet tennis but apparently this clown does

    he clearly doesn't know tennis, he freaks out about the smallest things in tennis

    it'd be like in football a team getting 2 first downs in a row he'll make a thread saying they're going to win the game in a rout

    guy is an idiot
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2013 - 5:59 PM ET #549

    So.......???

    Anyone gonna discuss picks for the week? Or just nonsense?

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    So.......???

    Anyone gonna discuss picks for the week? Or just nonsense?

     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2013 - 6:39 PM ET #550

    Ok!....As of "now," the following are 80 percent or above wagers....At scoresandodds......OVER KC....BALT(CLOSE TO 80)....NEW E( A BIGGIE---88)....OVER DETROIT(NOW AT OVER 90)....N.O.(86)...OVER N.O.(90).....CAROLINA(81)...UNDER CAROLINA(80)...SAN D(81)....OVER DENVER(83)....OVER HOUSTON(80)....ATLANTA(85)....OVER ATLANTA(83).....Quite naturally, these will change before Sunday....I always look early just to see where the early action is....And, this is but one site that I use of 3....But they give me an early indication of things.....Tonights game is about 60=40 on Cleveland....And the O-U is evenly split....We[re here to discuss now....So, let's do it!!....Thoughts??....Right now, I think that Denv. or N.E. does not cover and/ or loses outright, though N.E.  is pk or -1........A shitload of teasers will have Denver-N.E. in them!!....Eh?
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    Ok!....As of "now," the following are 80 percent or above wagers....At scoresandodds......OVER KC....BALT(CLOSE TO 80)....NEW E( A BIGGIE---88)....OVER DETROIT(NOW AT OVER 90)....N.O.(86)...OVER N.O.(90).....CAROLINA(81)...UNDER CAROLINA(80)...SAN D(81)....OVER DENVER(83)....OVER HOUSTON(80)....ATLANTA(85)....OVER ATLANTA(83).....Quite naturally, these will change before Sunday....I always look early just to see where the early action is....And, this is but one site that I use of 3....But they give me an early indication of things.....Tonights game is about 60=40 on Cleveland....And the O-U is evenly split....We[re here to discuss now....So, let's do it!!....Thoughts??....Right now, I think that Denv. or N.E. does not cover and/ or loses outright, though N.E.  is pk or -1........A shitload of teasers will have Denver-N.E. in them!!....Eh?
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