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    IT'S NFL PLAYOFF TIME .....................2016

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    theclaw
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2016 - 9:46 AM ET #51

    Early look into next week. Panthers had the weakest schedule at -3.9 according to football-reference. Their division  division was easily the weakest. 3 teams had SOS of -3 or weaker, the remaining 28 teams only 2 were -3 or weaker.

    There were more teams in one division then the rest of the league combined.

    Panthers played the 2 other weak divisions who also played the next 2 weakest schedules.

    AFC South with only 1 team had a positive point margin, Texans +1.6 and they did that VS very weak schedule.

    NFC East had 1 team with ;positive point margin, Skins +.6, and those 8 teams in the 2 divisions played weak schedule and could not produce a positive point margin except the 2 div winners very small 1.6 and .6.

    How did the best 2 teams those divisions could offer do on WC weekend ? 30-0 demolition and a 35-18 beat-down.


    It's how you play your schedule that counts most.

    How did the Panthers do ?

    Panthers have the 2cd most close 1 score games at 7, Denver with 9.

    Panthers were the best in the one area that is most random, fumbles recovered +6, tied with Steelers and 1 fumle ahead of Denver +5, Skins +5.

    Random events lead to close games that you easily could of lost. 

    Interesting that  2 of the teams with the most fumbles recovered also have the most close wins. Hhhmmmmmm

    Panthers ave per pass att differential was just 1.3 very mediorce for a SB winner.

    Panthers QBPR diff was 25.7 , slightly below ave for SB winners..

    So playing the weakest of teams Panthers put up slightly below ave SB winning stats.

    The one thing they did do well is win the TO battle +20, teams +20  or better have not made many SB's , I will look more into that but am pretty sure it does not bode well for teams unless they dominated in other ares which the Panthers do not. 





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    Early look into next week. Panthers had the weakest schedule at -3.9 according to football-reference. Their division  division was easily the weakest. 3 teams had SOS of -3 or weaker, the remaining 28 teams only 2 were -3 or weaker.

    There were more teams in one division then the rest of the league combined.

    Panthers played the 2 other weak divisions who also played the next 2 weakest schedules.

    AFC South with only 1 team had a positive point margin, Texans +1.6 and they did that VS very weak schedule.

    NFC East had 1 team with ;positive point margin, Skins +.6, and those 8 teams in the 2 divisions played weak schedule and could not produce a positive point margin except the 2 div winners very small 1.6 and .6.

    How did the best 2 teams those divisions could offer do on WC weekend ? 30-0 demolition and a 35-18 beat-down.


    It's how you play your schedule that counts most.

    How did the Panthers do ?

    Panthers have the 2cd most close 1 score games at 7, Denver with 9.

    Panthers were the best in the one area that is most random, fumbles recovered +6, tied with Steelers and 1 fumle ahead of Denver +5, Skins +5.

    Random events lead to close games that you easily could of lost. 

    Interesting that  2 of the teams with the most fumbles recovered also have the most close wins. Hhhmmmmmm

    Panthers ave per pass att differential was just 1.3 very mediorce for a SB winner.

    Panthers QBPR diff was 25.7 , slightly below ave for SB winners..

    So playing the weakest of teams Panthers put up slightly below ave SB winning stats.

    The one thing they did do well is win the TO battle +20, teams +20  or better have not made many SB's , I will look more into that but am pretty sure it does not bode well for teams unless they dominated in other ares which the Panthers do not. 





     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2016 - 9:53 AM ET #52

    99 Rams had a -5.9 SOS, much weaker than Panthers.

    How did they play their schedule ?

    0 close wins, historical QBPR diff at 45.1, monster ave per pass diff at 2.3, Rams almost doubled the Panthers.

    Rams off their weak schedule are 1 of just 2 teams since 1978, first year of 16 game schedule to win the SB that did not post a winning ATS record throughout the playoffs, 2003 Pats the other.
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    99 Rams had a -5.9 SOS, much weaker than Panthers.

    How did they play their schedule ?

    0 close wins, historical QBPR diff at 45.1, monster ave per pass diff at 2.3, Rams almost doubled the Panthers.

    Rams off their weak schedule are 1 of just 2 teams since 1978, first year of 16 game schedule to win the SB that did not post a winning ATS record throughout the playoffs, 2003 Pats the other.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2016 - 9:56 AM ET #53

    Rams were -9 in fumbles recovered and only +5 in TO's.

    Despite losing the fumble battle big  they had 0 close 1 score wins.
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    Rams were -9 in fumbles recovered and only +5 in TO's.

    Despite losing the fumble battle big  they had 0 close 1 score wins.
     
    vywillreturn
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2016 - 10:41 AM ET #54

    there's a reason you are one of the folks I make sure to read every day. really appreciate your work claw


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    there's a reason you are one of the folks I make sure to read every day. really appreciate your work claw


     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2016 - 12:05 PM ET #55

    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    I've been playing around with some different indicators trying to possibly come up with bonus pts for the 2 PR's.

    Yards per point differential is a very good indicator in SB games , it was 14-5 ATS , however, because it is much easier to be efficient scoring if a team out-gains it's opp by fewer yards, ( but that is not a good indicator of SB teams) it is 8-1 ATS when the better team in both yards per pt and total yards differential favor the same team.

    But only 6-4 ATS when it does not favor the same team.

    Teams that do well in yards per point but not total yards diff are not teams to back for big runs in playoffs.

    And because the far majority SB winning teams out-gain opps by 35 yards or more and the stronger teams by 50 , even 60 yards or more  

    Of the 8 repeat SB winners since 1966 SB era began, 7 of them out-gained opps by 75  yards or better in 1 of their 2 repeat years. That's domination folks.

    So that got me to thinking, could I come up with some way to find the perfect balance between out-gaining your opp and yards per point.

    So I came up with this, it try's to find the team with the best balance between the two, one team was well above the league a good part of the season untill the final week ..............and that team was........................

    1. Zona 13.28
    2. Seahawks 12.49
    3. Panthers 11.99
    4. Bengals 10.53
    5. Pats 10.05
    6. Steelers 8.12
    7. KC 8.11
    8. Broncos 6.16
    9. Vikes 3.94
    10. Texans 2.94
    11. Packers 2.72
    12 Skins (-.46)


    I Was not sure how to use it, how much weight it should carry in the PR's.

    In SB's since 85 it was 10-4 ATS with a 6 point difference to the line.

    So I back dated it in the playoffs as a PR by itself, it did guide me off a few losing games my other 2 PR's took.

    The early indication may be a vaulable asset to have.

    Giving 3 pts for home field my lines in this indicator......................

    Seahawks -5.55 over Vikes
    Packers -.18 over Skins
    Bengals -5.41 over Steelers
    KC -2.17 over Texans

    Here's the deal since 2008...................................

    29-10 SU as a 5 pt favorite or better...............12-3 SU in WC round
    18-7 ATS with a 4.5 difference to the line.......................7-3 ATS WC round.

    Does not count SB games because for that we need to look also at playoff only results.

    The highest rated team to play wild card weekend went 6-1 SU and 6-1 ATS.

    6 of those 7 teams rated 10 or higher according to this method, the remaing team last years Ravens were 8.19 as the highest rated team WC weekend and won 30-17.



    The top teams remain pretty much the same as the two PR's but it does move Steelers up and KC down some.

    KC is very efficient in yards per point but not good at all in out-gaining opps, only by 1.9 yards and that is not stuff SB winners are made of.

    Fantastic stuff!  I love creative thinking and original, unique numbers, and it confirms how over-valued DEN is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    I've been playing around with some different indicators trying to possibly come up with bonus pts for the 2 PR's.

    Yards per point differential is a very good indicator in SB games , it was 14-5 ATS , however, because it is much easier to be efficient scoring if a team out-gains it's opp by fewer yards, ( but that is not a good indicator of SB teams) it is 8-1 ATS when the better team in both yards per pt and total yards differential favor the same team.

    But only 6-4 ATS when it does not favor the same team.

    Teams that do well in yards per point but not total yards diff are not teams to back for big runs in playoffs.

    And because the far majority SB winning teams out-gain opps by 35 yards or more and the stronger teams by 50 , even 60 yards or more  

    Of the 8 repeat SB winners since 1966 SB era began, 7 of them out-gained opps by 75  yards or better in 1 of their 2 repeat years. That's domination folks.

    So that got me to thinking, could I come up with some way to find the perfect balance between out-gaining your opp and yards per point.

    So I came up with this, it try's to find the team with the best balance between the two, one team was well above the league a good part of the season untill the final week ..............and that team was........................

    1. Zona 13.28
    2. Seahawks 12.49
    3. Panthers 11.99
    4. Bengals 10.53
    5. Pats 10.05
    6. Steelers 8.12
    7. KC 8.11
    8. Broncos 6.16
    9. Vikes 3.94
    10. Texans 2.94
    11. Packers 2.72
    12 Skins (-.46)


    I Was not sure how to use it, how much weight it should carry in the PR's.

    In SB's since 85 it was 10-4 ATS with a 6 point difference to the line.

    So I back dated it in the playoffs as a PR by itself, it did guide me off a few losing games my other 2 PR's took.

    The early indication may be a vaulable asset to have.

    Giving 3 pts for home field my lines in this indicator......................

    Seahawks -5.55 over Vikes
    Packers -.18 over Skins
    Bengals -5.41 over Steelers
    KC -2.17 over Texans

    Here's the deal since 2008...................................

    29-10 SU as a 5 pt favorite or better...............12-3 SU in WC round
    18-7 ATS with a 4.5 difference to the line.......................7-3 ATS WC round.

    Does not count SB games because for that we need to look also at playoff only results.

    The highest rated team to play wild card weekend went 6-1 SU and 6-1 ATS.

    6 of those 7 teams rated 10 or higher according to this method, the remaing team last years Ravens were 8.19 as the highest rated team WC weekend and won 30-17.



    The top teams remain pretty much the same as the two PR's but it does move Steelers up and KC down some.

    KC is very efficient in yards per point but not good at all in out-gaining opps, only by 1.9 yards and that is not stuff SB winners are made of.

    Fantastic stuff!  I love creative thinking and original, unique numbers, and it confirms how over-valued DEN is.
     
    theclaw
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2016 - 7:55 PM ET #56

    Quote Originally Posted by vywillreturn:

    there's a reason you are one of the folks I make sure to read every day. really appreciate your work claw



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    Quote Originally Posted by vywillreturn:

    there's a reason you are one of the folks I make sure to read every day. really appreciate your work claw



     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2016 - 7:59 PM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    Fantastic stuff!  I love creative thinking and original, unique numbers, and it confirms how over-valued DEN is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:

    Fantastic stuff!  I love creative thinking and original, unique numbers, and it confirms how over-valued DEN is.


     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2016 - 8:19 PM ET #58

    POWER RATING I

    My lines.................................

    Pats -2.49 over KC
    Steelers -1.09 over Denver
    Zona -10.65 over Packers
    Panthers -2.71 over Seahawks

    10-1 ATS with a 6 pt diff to closing line over 11 seasons in divisional round. No plays past 2 years.

    Possible play on Steelers, but like the Bengals in WC possible injuried QB.

    Teams under a 6 point favorite with a lean on the line to the dog.....7-10 SU, not sure the ATS don't have it written down but we know they'd be worse then 7-10.

    Last season went 2-0 ATS with both dogs almost pulling the SU win but lost.

    Great spot for SU dog wins, with KC, Steelers and possibly Seahawks.


    8.5 favorites or better with a lean to the line on fav, 13-5 SU but just 9-9 ATS.
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    POWER RATING I

    My lines.................................

    Pats -2.49 over KC
    Steelers -1.09 over Denver
    Zona -10.65 over Packers
    Panthers -2.71 over Seahawks

    10-1 ATS with a 6 pt diff to closing line over 11 seasons in divisional round. No plays past 2 years.

    Possible play on Steelers, but like the Bengals in WC possible injuried QB.

    Teams under a 6 point favorite with a lean on the line to the dog.....7-10 SU, not sure the ATS don't have it written down but we know they'd be worse then 7-10.

    Last season went 2-0 ATS with both dogs almost pulling the SU win but lost.

    Great spot for SU dog wins, with KC, Steelers and possibly Seahawks.


    8.5 favorites or better with a lean to the line on fav, 13-5 SU but just 9-9 ATS.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2016 - 8:38 PM ET #59

    Quote Originally Posted by Duderonomy:

     

    The Super Bowl will almost certainly be won by one of the following teams:

    Seahawks, Cards, Panthers, Broncos

    Longshots:  Bengals, Chiefs, Packers, Steelers

    Shot in hell:  Pats, Vikings, Texans, Redskins


    I'm liking the Chiefs to knock off the Pats this week... the 3 bottom teams in my PR all lost last week, and now the Pats occupy that spot on the updated PRs.  Pats are the only remaining playoff team that didn't register at least 3 wins vs. other playoff teams this year.

    Also liking your breakdown on the Panthers, and think the Seahawks have a good chance for the upset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duderonomy:

     

    The Super Bowl will almost certainly be won by one of the following teams:

    Seahawks, Cards, Panthers, Broncos

    Longshots:  Bengals, Chiefs, Packers, Steelers

    Shot in hell:  Pats, Vikings, Texans, Redskins


    I'm liking the Chiefs to knock off the Pats this week... the 3 bottom teams in my PR all lost last week, and now the Pats occupy that spot on the updated PRs.  Pats are the only remaining playoff team that didn't register at least 3 wins vs. other playoff teams this year.

    Also liking your breakdown on the Panthers, and think the Seahawks have a good chance for the upset.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2016 - 9:00 PM ET #60

    Hey Claw, I think someone asked you before but do you consider injuries into your ratings and how do you value them into your point system?

    Im coming up w/ a KC win by .18 points in my early assesment w/ still some variables to consider.

    My gut tells me Peyton and Brady will face off for the last time. ATS is a whole nother game
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    Hey Claw, I think someone asked you before but do you consider injuries into your ratings and how do you value them into your point system?

    Im coming up w/ a KC win by .18 points in my early assesment w/ still some variables to consider.

    My gut tells me Peyton and Brady will face off for the last time. ATS is a whole nother game
     
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    Posted: Jan. 12, 2016 - 5:59 AM ET #61

    Don't adjust for injuries unless the QB, then I use the starting QB's QBPR and ave per pass.

    If that is a very small sample then I ave it it with the team ave.  Other player injuries I have no way to know the value they bring or the value a back-up may bring.

    The PR do still work even with the injuries but not as well as without injuries.

    Both PR I and II with 6 pt diff  and the bonus pts with a 4.5 pt diff to line  won with Bengals in WC games , the only play that qualified.

    But last year we did lose with Denver over the Colts when Manning played with torn Quad.

    May be the best thing is to pass on the game, but backup players can be very good players they just never had a chance to show it.

    There's many, many examples of backup's coming in and outplaying the starters.

    Look at last week , the 2 backs for Steelers were like off the shelf 4th stringers who gained 167 yards and a 5.75 ave, who could have done better ? 

    But it can be risky as well, backups can tank to. The way I like to play it is back everything the various method tell me to back and I should be in good shape at the end.
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    Don't adjust for injuries unless the QB, then I use the starting QB's QBPR and ave per pass.

    If that is a very small sample then I ave it it with the team ave.  Other player injuries I have no way to know the value they bring or the value a back-up may bring.

    The PR do still work even with the injuries but not as well as without injuries.

    Both PR I and II with 6 pt diff  and the bonus pts with a 4.5 pt diff to line  won with Bengals in WC games , the only play that qualified.

    But last year we did lose with Denver over the Colts when Manning played with torn Quad.

    May be the best thing is to pass on the game, but backup players can be very good players they just never had a chance to show it.

    There's many, many examples of backup's coming in and outplaying the starters.

    Look at last week , the 2 backs for Steelers were like off the shelf 4th stringers who gained 167 yards and a 5.75 ave, who could have done better ? 

    But it can be risky as well, backups can tank to. The way I like to play it is back everything the various method tell me to back and I should be in good shape at the end.
     
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    I meant I use the starting QB for the playoff game, be it Dalton or AJ, or Big Ben or Jones, not the starting QB for the year, just to be clear.
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    I meant I use the starting QB for the playoff game, be it Dalton or AJ, or Big Ben or Jones, not the starting QB for the year, just to be clear.
     
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    POWER RATING I..............................

    Steelers with Jones +1.62

    Broncos -.93 over Steelers...........with Jones and Manning as starting QB's.

    Jones has a very small sample size, he has a almost 1 yd per pass ave better then big Ben, Ben has a very strong ave per pass in his lifetime, so not sure Jones can be that good, but his QBPR is 17.2 pts below Ben, because of 7% int rate but over a small sample they ...could be... inflated we just don't know enough to answer that.

    And how much will Brown being out affect ave per pass ? Very difficult to answer that but we know almost certainly it will have some affect.
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    POWER RATING I..............................

    Steelers with Jones +1.62

    Broncos -.93 over Steelers...........with Jones and Manning as starting QB's.

    Jones has a very small sample size, he has a almost 1 yd per pass ave better then big Ben, Ben has a very strong ave per pass in his lifetime, so not sure Jones can be that good, but his QBPR is 17.2 pts below Ben, because of 7% int rate but over a small sample they ...could be... inflated we just don't know enough to answer that.

    And how much will Brown being out affect ave per pass ? Very difficult to answer that but we know almost certainly it will have some affect.
     
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    Big ben hasn't thrown since the game, going to try Thursday. You know if he plays that shoulder won't be anywhere near 100%. This makes it tough to cap  QBR. I'll be looking at Pitts games w/ out Ben this year. This game is the toughest to cap imo.

    Funny thing here is Laundry Jones #'s are better than Mannings
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    Big ben hasn't thrown since the game, going to try Thursday. You know if he plays that shoulder won't be anywhere near 100%. This makes it tough to cap  QBR. I'll be looking at Pitts games w/ out Ben this year. This game is the toughest to cap imo.

    Funny thing here is Laundry Jones #'s are better than Mannings
     
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    love the breakdown, analysis, and knowledge behind it all..  Cybermetrics aside these games come down to more than these stats which so many of u new guys rely on.  Not hatin on analysis just saying u guys have to try and separate yourselves from hard core #'s
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    love the breakdown, analysis, and knowledge behind it all..  Cybermetrics aside these games come down to more than these stats which so many of u new guys rely on.  Not hatin on analysis just saying u guys have to try and separate yourselves from hard core #'s
     
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    Posted: Jan. 12, 2016 - 6:31 PM ET #66

    POWER RATING II.....................................

    My lines.....

    Pats PK over KC
    Broncos -4.73
    Zona -13.32 over Packers
    Panthers -5.97 over Seahawks


    8-1 ATS with a 6 pt diff to closing line in the divisional round since 2009.

    If Zona closes -7 or under we have a play

    18-6 SU in all games...............14-8 ATS
    a losing spread record in the 4 divisional round  games just once since 2009


    When the home team is under a 6 pt favorite and a lean to the dog on the line the home team is............7-4 SU and 3-8 ATS

    2 games apply..... back KC & Steelers...  possibility  one of these 2 teams pull the SU win

    8.5 pt favorite or better and a lean on the line to the favorite......7-3 SU and 6-4 ATS.

    Zona

    when the dog is the favorite ..................2-2 SU and 4-0 ATS.

    no plays


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    POWER RATING II.....................................

    My lines.....

    Pats PK over KC
    Broncos -4.73
    Zona -13.32 over Packers
    Panthers -5.97 over Seahawks


    8-1 ATS with a 6 pt diff to closing line in the divisional round since 2009.

    If Zona closes -7 or under we have a play

    18-6 SU in all games...............14-8 ATS
    a losing spread record in the 4 divisional round  games just once since 2009


    When the home team is under a 6 pt favorite and a lean to the dog on the line the home team is............7-4 SU and 3-8 ATS

    2 games apply..... back KC & Steelers...  possibility  one of these 2 teams pull the SU win

    8.5 pt favorite or better and a lean on the line to the favorite......7-3 SU and 6-4 ATS.

    Zona

    when the dog is the favorite ..................2-2 SU and 4-0 ATS.

    no plays


     
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    Posted: Jan. 12, 2016 - 7:01 PM ET #67

    BONUS POINTS METHOD..............................

    My lines......

    Pats -4.94 over KC
    Broncos -1.04 over Steelers
    Zona -13.56 over Packers
    Panthers -2.5 over Seahawks

    5 pt fav or better 129-10 SU ..... 2008-2014 ..... 1-1 SU in WC round last week

    18-7 ATS with a 4.5 pt diff to closing line ...2008-2014......7-3 ATS in divisional round........ 1-0 ATS in WC round last week

    Play on Zona

    when the dog is the favorite...........9-1 ATS and 6-4 SU

    no plays this week
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    BONUS POINTS METHOD..............................

    My lines......

    Pats -4.94 over KC
    Broncos -1.04 over Steelers
    Zona -13.56 over Packers
    Panthers -2.5 over Seahawks

    5 pt fav or better 129-10 SU ..... 2008-2014 ..... 1-1 SU in WC round last week

    18-7 ATS with a 4.5 pt diff to closing line ...2008-2014......7-3 ATS in divisional round........ 1-0 ATS in WC round last week

    Play on Zona

    when the dog is the favorite...........9-1 ATS and 6-4 SU

    no plays this week
     
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    Posted: Jan. 12, 2016 - 7:09 PM ET #68

    Opps...should be 5 pt fav or better 29-10, not 129-10. Geez Louise.
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    Opps...should be 5 pt fav or better 29-10, not 129-10. Geez Louise.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

     
    Panthers were the best in the one area that is most random, fumbles recovered +6, tied with Steelers and 1 fumle ahead of Denver +5, Skins +5.

    Random events lead to close games that you easily could of lost. 

    Interesting that  2 of the teams with the most fumbles recovered also have the most close wins. Hhhmmmmmm



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    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

     
    Panthers were the best in the one area that is most random, fumbles recovered +6, tied with Steelers and 1 fumle ahead of Denver +5, Skins +5.

    Random events lead to close games that you easily could of lost. 

    Interesting that  2 of the teams with the most fumbles recovered also have the most close wins. Hhhmmmmmm



     
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    Posted: Jan. 13, 2016 - 1:42 PM ET #70

    This is a great thread...thanks for the info!

    Gotta figure Steelers should be thrown out b/c of the injuries/uncertainty around Ben and Brown?!  

    Love Zona...I don't think that GB is "back" so much as Washington didn't match up with them well (Rodgers vs pathetic secondary that couldn't over match the average WRs of GB).  IMO, Zona should be able to smother the GB WRs even w/out the Honey Badger.  Bakhtiari and Shields back could be huge for GB if returning to the lineup, but I still don't think it matters in the end.  I may buy the hook down to 6.5 though just in case though.

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    This is a great thread...thanks for the info!

    Gotta figure Steelers should be thrown out b/c of the injuries/uncertainty around Ben and Brown?!  

    Love Zona...I don't think that GB is "back" so much as Washington didn't match up with them well (Rodgers vs pathetic secondary that couldn't over match the average WRs of GB).  IMO, Zona should be able to smother the GB WRs even w/out the Honey Badger.  Bakhtiari and Shields back could be huge for GB if returning to the lineup, but I still don't think it matters in the end.  I may buy the hook down to 6.5 though just in case though.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 13, 2016 - 9:29 PM ET #72

    POWER RATINGS I.........................

    8 of 15 no.1 rated teams made the SB since 2000.
    4 of 15 no.2 rated teams made the SB.

    12 of 15 no.1 or no.2 rated teams made the SB since 2000.

    All 4 no.2 teams were within 2 pts of no.1 rated teams in PR I.

    Last season Packers no. 1 who lost NFC championship game  they should of, could of won and Seahawks no.2 did win NFC. Seahawks trailed Packers by 1.29 pts.

    2 of the no.1 teams that failed to make SB  had rookie QB's. Big Ben in 2004, Wilson 2012.


    Home teams favored on my lines by less than  6 pts with a lean to the dog on the line....................home team is 18-13 SU (58%) and 10-20-1 ATS.....the 10 teams to cover the spread went 2-8 ATS the next week.

    All home teams went 40-20 SU since 2000.

     Home teams not included in the above 18-13 SU winners   went 22-7 SU (75.9%) since 2000.

    A 17.9% difference.


    I would not bet against KC and Steelers this weekend. We need a closing line of Panthers -3 for Seahawks to qualify.

    Highly unlikely we finish with a losing spread record on these games and very possible 1 or 2 get SU wins.
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    POWER RATINGS I.........................

    8 of 15 no.1 rated teams made the SB since 2000.
    4 of 15 no.2 rated teams made the SB.

    12 of 15 no.1 or no.2 rated teams made the SB since 2000.

    All 4 no.2 teams were within 2 pts of no.1 rated teams in PR I.

    Last season Packers no. 1 who lost NFC championship game  they should of, could of won and Seahawks no.2 did win NFC. Seahawks trailed Packers by 1.29 pts.

    2 of the no.1 teams that failed to make SB  had rookie QB's. Big Ben in 2004, Wilson 2012.


    Home teams favored on my lines by less than  6 pts with a lean to the dog on the line....................home team is 18-13 SU (58%) and 10-20-1 ATS.....the 10 teams to cover the spread went 2-8 ATS the next week.

    All home teams went 40-20 SU since 2000.

     Home teams not included in the above 18-13 SU winners   went 22-7 SU (75.9%) since 2000.

    A 17.9% difference.


    I would not bet against KC and Steelers this weekend. We need a closing line of Panthers -3 for Seahawks to qualify.

    Highly unlikely we finish with a losing spread record on these games and very possible 1 or 2 get SU wins.
     
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    POWER RATINGS II..............................

    4 of 6 no.1 rated teams made the SB since 2009.

    No. 1 rated teams 8-3 ATS in playoffs not counting the SB since 2009.

    8-2 ATS with a 6 pt difference to closing line.....forgot to update the record after we lost with Denver of Colts last season. 

    Of coarse that was the Manning quad injury and he played horrendous, could not throw the ball much more than 5 yards down field.

    When injuried QB's play we don't know what to expect, a backup we know is healthy. We did win last season on Rodgers + pts in NFC championship game when he came in with a sprained ankle.


    Panthers being no. 1 , and mostly I follow the info to the letter of the law. I don't try to read between the lines. But here the Panthers having played such a weak schedule and having below ave SB winning stats  just don't seem right.

    I suspect because PR II places a high value on winning each stat battle even if by a small amount, that their easy schedule made it easy for them to do that and finish no. 1.

    Normally schedule strength does not make the PR's better unless it happens to be an exceptionally weak schedule, then it does seem to make a difference.
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    POWER RATINGS II..............................

    4 of 6 no.1 rated teams made the SB since 2009.

    No. 1 rated teams 8-3 ATS in playoffs not counting the SB since 2009.

    8-2 ATS with a 6 pt difference to closing line.....forgot to update the record after we lost with Denver of Colts last season. 

    Of coarse that was the Manning quad injury and he played horrendous, could not throw the ball much more than 5 yards down field.

    When injuried QB's play we don't know what to expect, a backup we know is healthy. We did win last season on Rodgers + pts in NFC championship game when he came in with a sprained ankle.


    Panthers being no. 1 , and mostly I follow the info to the letter of the law. I don't try to read between the lines. But here the Panthers having played such a weak schedule and having below ave SB winning stats  just don't seem right.

    I suspect because PR II places a high value on winning each stat battle even if by a small amount, that their easy schedule made it easy for them to do that and finish no. 1.

    Normally schedule strength does not make the PR's better unless it happens to be an exceptionally weak schedule, then it does seem to make a difference.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 13, 2016 - 10:06 PM ET #74

    WILD CARD ROUND REPORT...............................................

    Going back about 4 or 5 years ago I discovered some common denominators of the surprise wild card round teams that went to and won SB's.

    Since that time I did call the Ravens as a possible surprise team going into Foxboro to play Pats and warned everyone to beware.

    Then called Ravens to beat the 9ers in SB.

    The next year I called the Chargers after the WC games as a possible surprise team and warned everyone to not bet against them going into Denver, and they covered the spread but lost a close game.

    Now, we have another team that's beginning to get that surprise team look, I would not bet against this team this coming weekend they have all the common denominators on a very high level.

    And that team is.............................KC...............

    It's tougher to make the call after just 1 game, after next week I'll know much more, but as of now they do have that look across the board, I would not bet against them.

    KC may be a great ML play back to back weeks. If the win SU this week highly likely the win SU next week.
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    WILD CARD ROUND REPORT...............................................

    Going back about 4 or 5 years ago I discovered some common denominators of the surprise wild card round teams that went to and won SB's.

    Since that time I did call the Ravens as a possible surprise team going into Foxboro to play Pats and warned everyone to beware.

    Then called Ravens to beat the 9ers in SB.

    The next year I called the Chargers after the WC games as a possible surprise team and warned everyone to not bet against them going into Denver, and they covered the spread but lost a close game.

    Now, we have another team that's beginning to get that surprise team look, I would not bet against this team this coming weekend they have all the common denominators on a very high level.

    And that team is.............................KC...............

    It's tougher to make the call after just 1 game, after next week I'll know much more, but as of now they do have that look across the board, I would not bet against them.

    KC may be a great ML play back to back weeks. If the win SU this week highly likely the win SU next week.
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 13, 2016 - 10:13 PM ET #75

    Last season there were no teams with the common denominators.

    I also called the 2013 9ers as a team that did not have the common denominators when many thought they'd be the WC round team to make SB, but they lost to Seahawks in NFC championship game.

    Steelers......nope
    Packers........nope.
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    Last season there were no teams with the common denominators.

    I also called the 2013 9ers as a team that did not have the common denominators when many thought they'd be the WC round team to make SB, but they lost to Seahawks in NFC championship game.

    Steelers......nope
    Packers........nope.
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