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    PACERS VS. RAPTORS - GAME 6!! WRITE-UP/analysis/comments all here!

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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2016 - 7:16 PM ET #1

    2016 record: 11-2

    Highlights: 

    College Football POY: Win
    SMU 49 Tulane 21

    NHL POY: Win
    Penguins -1 game over Rangers (Pens 4 NY 1)



    I said I love betting game 1's and game 7's in the playoffs. This is still true. But this game is a game 7 for one team, and therefore I get the same motivation I would for one team, and not as much from the other.

    Paul George said as much when asked in the locker room after the game 5 collapse: "We're going home if we don't win. That's all the motivation we need." Obvious but important.

    The Raptors? Well there's a reason they are tied for the single longest drought in the NBA without winning a first round - 15 years.

    The culture of this team is one of underachievers, and culture matters. The Lakers have a historically proud culture from numerous championships. That is why in part, we took the Lakers to beat the Jazz the final game of the season to send their legend out in style. Players deferred to him for 60 points and he responded in kind.

    The Raptors? Well we've seen their core in the playoffs and it's largely the same except for a much better bench now. They crapped out in game 7 against the Nets 2 years ago. They got swept by the Wizards last year.

    Now we are supposed to believe that this team is going to close out the Pacers, who's core knows the playoffs quite well and have succeeded numerous times, on the road in a game 6 with a line that functions as a Moneyline?

    No. We are taking the Pacers.

    Why?

    1. The line

    Vegas thinks this is a huge adjustment and for them it is. The last Raptor road game was -2.5 Raptors. They opened the Pacers at -2.5. To them that's a 5 pt swing. But to the bettor, it's an effective ML. The line is now 2. We wouldn't care for the 2.5 for the Pacers because we are betting them to win. And betting them to win at -2 makes us only concerned about a single point - 1 - if the Pacers win by that margin.

    That is a ML folks. But Vegas looks at every point as meaningful, and that is to our benefit. The line is quite favorable.

    2. The collapse

    Yes, the Pacers were devastated last game but now they come home for redemption. That's quite different than what happened to the Spurs in the Heat's second championship where the Heat had Game 7 at home after the historic Allen 3. Back to back road games after a collapse is not the same. You have no respite with that.

    The Raptors went on a 23-2 run to win game 5 and even at that, with the Raptors having all the momentum the Pacers fell 3 points short by less than one thenth of a second and a replay. That's the difference between 3-2 Raps or OT where the Pacers might go up 3-2. Less than one tenth of a second!

    That tells you only an all time worst playoff quarter had to do the Pacers in. And I promise that will not happen in an elimination game at home.

    The Pacers play when they want to play. Remember vs. Atlanta 2 years ago? They waited until game 7 to stick a fork in the ultra gutsy Hawks getting booed off their own home court some games.

    But the Raptors have disturbing tendencies in very big games too. They were woeful I'm Game 1 and at home with the series on the line they went down 35-20 in the first quarter in game 5. Down 15 right out of the gate heading back to Indy! That is simply not showing up.

    And that is due in part to the fact Kyle Lowery is have an atrocious series. And Derozan, aside from last game, is also having a below average series in the aggregate. Valanciunas had one phenomenal game and the Raptors needed every bit of him in Game 3 to take it on the road. He's come crashing down to earth since that point. The Raps are deep. They turned to Joseph and Norman and Ross and some of Derozan in that comeback, but aside from the last player on that list, those aren't the guys who will be on the floor in a close game in crunch time. And the best Raptors have had their moments but haven't been playing like the regular season types that got them here.

    Who has? Paul George. You have the best player on the floor if you take the Pacers. And you have a superior defense that has shut down the Raps for significant stretches.

    How significant?













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    2016 record: 11-2

    Highlights: 

    College Football POY: Win
    SMU 49 Tulane 21

    NHL POY: Win
    Penguins -1 game over Rangers (Pens 4 NY 1)



    I said I love betting game 1's and game 7's in the playoffs. This is still true. But this game is a game 7 for one team, and therefore I get the same motivation I would for one team, and not as much from the other.

    Paul George said as much when asked in the locker room after the game 5 collapse: "We're going home if we don't win. That's all the motivation we need." Obvious but important.

    The Raptors? Well there's a reason they are tied for the single longest drought in the NBA without winning a first round - 15 years.

    The culture of this team is one of underachievers, and culture matters. The Lakers have a historically proud culture from numerous championships. That is why in part, we took the Lakers to beat the Jazz the final game of the season to send their legend out in style. Players deferred to him for 60 points and he responded in kind.

    The Raptors? Well we've seen their core in the playoffs and it's largely the same except for a much better bench now. They crapped out in game 7 against the Nets 2 years ago. They got swept by the Wizards last year.

    Now we are supposed to believe that this team is going to close out the Pacers, who's core knows the playoffs quite well and have succeeded numerous times, on the road in a game 6 with a line that functions as a Moneyline?

    No. We are taking the Pacers.

    Why?

    1. The line

    Vegas thinks this is a huge adjustment and for them it is. The last Raptor road game was -2.5 Raptors. They opened the Pacers at -2.5. To them that's a 5 pt swing. But to the bettor, it's an effective ML. The line is now 2. We wouldn't care for the 2.5 for the Pacers because we are betting them to win. And betting them to win at -2 makes us only concerned about a single point - 1 - if the Pacers win by that margin.

    That is a ML folks. But Vegas looks at every point as meaningful, and that is to our benefit. The line is quite favorable.

    2. The collapse

    Yes, the Pacers were devastated last game but now they come home for redemption. That's quite different than what happened to the Spurs in the Heat's second championship where the Heat had Game 7 at home after the historic Allen 3. Back to back road games after a collapse is not the same. You have no respite with that.

    The Raptors went on a 23-2 run to win game 5 and even at that, with the Raptors having all the momentum the Pacers fell 3 points short by less than one thenth of a second and a replay. That's the difference between 3-2 Raps or OT where the Pacers might go up 3-2. Less than one tenth of a second!

    That tells you only an all time worst playoff quarter had to do the Pacers in. And I promise that will not happen in an elimination game at home.

    The Pacers play when they want to play. Remember vs. Atlanta 2 years ago? They waited until game 7 to stick a fork in the ultra gutsy Hawks getting booed off their own home court some games.

    But the Raptors have disturbing tendencies in very big games too. They were woeful I'm Game 1 and at home with the series on the line they went down 35-20 in the first quarter in game 5. Down 15 right out of the gate heading back to Indy! That is simply not showing up.

    And that is due in part to the fact Kyle Lowery is have an atrocious series. And Derozan, aside from last game, is also having a below average series in the aggregate. Valanciunas had one phenomenal game and the Raptors needed every bit of him in Game 3 to take it on the road. He's come crashing down to earth since that point. The Raps are deep. They turned to Joseph and Norman and Ross and some of Derozan in that comeback, but aside from the last player on that list, those aren't the guys who will be on the floor in a close game in crunch time. And the best Raptors have had their moments but haven't been playing like the regular season types that got them here.

    Who has? Paul George. You have the best player on the floor if you take the Pacers. And you have a superior defense that has shut down the Raps for significant stretches.

    How significant?













     
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    3. 90+ minutes

    The Pacers had the lead for NINTY STRAIGHT minutes from games 4 (Win) to game 5 (loss at the buzzer). That's dominance folks. Carroll, who was brought in by the Raps specifically to stop guys like George, is doing no such thing. All while the Pacers D has played some of its best all year during stretches of this series. He should take notes from them.

    So why did the Pacers lose Game 6?

    4. Frank Vogel

    He left the bench in to start the 4th after already starting to collapse at the end of the 3rd. That cost them the game. I like Vogel and I don't blame him but in hindsight, that is the reason they lost. Starters in at the start of the 4th? Blood likely stops and Pacers up 3-2. It's that simple. It wasn't a teamwide collapse. That's meaningful in that the metal letdown is more on a bench that is underperforming than it is the guys who can bring this bet home.

    And PG's quote about the bench? "I'll play all 48 in game 6 if asked." He won't of course. But he will be out there far more often after Game 5.

    5. Drake trolling

    I love this. We don't make a bet due to this but this is the cherry or the extra whipped cream on our pie a la mode.

    Drake essentially serves as the Raptors annoying superfan. And because his stardom is the biggest, his voice is the loudest.

    Posting a pic of indy's star crying and saying he's afraid to take a game winner only motivates these millionaire egomaniacs even if it is only from a sideline fan.

    Think he doesn't matter? Ask Reggie if he was directly showing up Spike Lee in the 8-straight playoff game against the Knicks with the choke sign. And that was before the Internet. Any little added motivation/bulletin board material is always welcome for my side of the bet.

    As for the Raptors? They played to get home court in that Canadian jungle all year and they still have that game and those lunatic fans (who also rattled the Pacers in the collapse and won't be around this game) in their back pocket should they lose this one = Watered down emotion/motivation vs. a team in its own version of a game 7 at home. And it only costs us 2 pts.

    I can go on if anyone would like.


    The Bet:

    PACERS -2 over RAPTORS


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    3. 90+ minutes

    The Pacers had the lead for NINTY STRAIGHT minutes from games 4 (Win) to game 5 (loss at the buzzer). That's dominance folks. Carroll, who was brought in by the Raps specifically to stop guys like George, is doing no such thing. All while the Pacers D has played some of its best all year during stretches of this series. He should take notes from them.

    So why did the Pacers lose Game 6?

    4. Frank Vogel

    He left the bench in to start the 4th after already starting to collapse at the end of the 3rd. That cost them the game. I like Vogel and I don't blame him but in hindsight, that is the reason they lost. Starters in at the start of the 4th? Blood likely stops and Pacers up 3-2. It's that simple. It wasn't a teamwide collapse. That's meaningful in that the metal letdown is more on a bench that is underperforming than it is the guys who can bring this bet home.

    And PG's quote about the bench? "I'll play all 48 in game 6 if asked." He won't of course. But he will be out there far more often after Game 5.

    5. Drake trolling

    I love this. We don't make a bet due to this but this is the cherry or the extra whipped cream on our pie a la mode.

    Drake essentially serves as the Raptors annoying superfan. And because his stardom is the biggest, his voice is the loudest.

    Posting a pic of indy's star crying and saying he's afraid to take a game winner only motivates these millionaire egomaniacs even if it is only from a sideline fan.

    Think he doesn't matter? Ask Reggie if he was directly showing up Spike Lee in the 8-straight playoff game against the Knicks with the choke sign. And that was before the Internet. Any little added motivation/bulletin board material is always welcome for my side of the bet.

    As for the Raptors? They played to get home court in that Canadian jungle all year and they still have that game and those lunatic fans (who also rattled the Pacers in the collapse and won't be around this game) in their back pocket should they lose this one = Watered down emotion/motivation vs. a team in its own version of a game 7 at home. And it only costs us 2 pts.

    I can go on if anyone would like.


    The Bet:

    PACERS -2 over RAPTORS


     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2016 - 7:23 PM ET #3

    You had me at hello.

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    You had me at hello.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2016 - 7:30 PM ET #4

    Lets make it 12-2

    good luck

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    Lets make it 12-2

    good luck

     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2016 - 8:00 PM ET #5

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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2016 - 8:24 PM ET #6

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    Posted: Apr. 29, 2016 - 12:25 AM ET #7

    will tail you big on this one
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    will tail you big on this one
     
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    Posted: Apr. 29, 2016 - 12:58 AM ET #8

     Indy allday! But raps will steal game 7.
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     Indy allday! But raps will steal game 7.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 29, 2016 - 1:03 AM ET #9

    I like your post with a lot of details.

    I always like home game and favor.

    Pacers is the right pick.

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    I like your post with a lot of details.

    I always like home game and favor.

    Pacers is the right pick.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 29, 2016 - 1:35 AM ET #10

    Great post Scalbrine, very informative and detailed. Post more.
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    Great post Scalbrine, very informative and detailed. Post more.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 29, 2016 - 2:03 AM ET #12

    Indy is the play tomorrow no doubt about that 
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    Indy is the play tomorrow no doubt about that 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeypicks:

    Great post Scalbrine, very informative and detailed. Post more.

    No, that's not his habit to post a lot, dude.  That's why Scalabrine is so infamous.  He picks and chooses only rare, fortunate, opportune situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeypicks:

    Great post Scalbrine, very informative and detailed. Post more.

    No, that's not his habit to post a lot, dude.  That's why Scalabrine is so infamous.  He picks and chooses only rare, fortunate, opportune situations.
     
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    will roll with ya. great year sir. bol tomorow
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    will roll with ya. great year sir. bol tomorow
     
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    Scal: As always, thanks for your thoughts.  I think the pick of the night is Charlotte; for the similar reason you're picking Indiana: IT IS CHARLOTTE'S GAME SEVEN.

    But to this Indiana-Toronto game.  This is an evolving, improving Toronto squad-- who desparately needs to get over the hump.  IFFF Kyle Lowry could have one Kyle Lowry good game, Toronto can win this one.

    I think this is a must-win game for Toronto; cause they've experienced a home loss in game seven two years ago.  This is a team that needs to prove itself.  Toronto knows if they lose game six, they can lose game seven.  Consequently, since Toronto is the better TEAM (more depth), and both teams will be equally motivated, I lean Toronto.  But my money's down south with my Chinese boy Lin.

    Great post.  It'll make the game more enjoyable.
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    Scal: As always, thanks for your thoughts.  I think the pick of the night is Charlotte; for the similar reason you're picking Indiana: IT IS CHARLOTTE'S GAME SEVEN.

    But to this Indiana-Toronto game.  This is an evolving, improving Toronto squad-- who desparately needs to get over the hump.  IFFF Kyle Lowry could have one Kyle Lowry good game, Toronto can win this one.

    I think this is a must-win game for Toronto; cause they've experienced a home loss in game seven two years ago.  This is a team that needs to prove itself.  Toronto knows if they lose game six, they can lose game seven.  Consequently, since Toronto is the better TEAM (more depth), and both teams will be equally motivated, I lean Toronto.  But my money's down south with my Chinese boy Lin.

    Great post.  It'll make the game more enjoyable.
     
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    You had me at hello  lol some the characters  othese forums are funny and some are done in three words or less! PRICELESS

    Best quote of this series from  the floor: Dwayne Casey

    "sleep is the close cousin of death"

    Yep

    That big sucking sound you hear is coming from Raptor 'Ambassador' Drake. Who contrived up that silly gig?Absolutely right on scalabrine.  And those poor deer in the head light fans of Toronto standing in the freezing cold 'Jurasic Park?! - Losing another series. That stunned look those poor fans have every time George pops a three ball has spread to the Craptors. & There is something wrong with Lowry and his elbow and Derosan is simply choking. Pressure is doing this team.

    A scary Friday play going out of bounds again and there's thin ice as usual. Indiana wants me oh I can't go back there.

    "Tonight its a blast!, tomorrow your homeless" Jello Biafra

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    You had me at hello  lol some the characters  othese forums are funny and some are done in three words or less! PRICELESS

    Best quote of this series from  the floor: Dwayne Casey

    "sleep is the close cousin of death"

    Yep

    That big sucking sound you hear is coming from Raptor 'Ambassador' Drake. Who contrived up that silly gig?Absolutely right on scalabrine.  And those poor deer in the head light fans of Toronto standing in the freezing cold 'Jurasic Park?! - Losing another series. That stunned look those poor fans have every time George pops a three ball has spread to the Craptors. & There is something wrong with Lowry and his elbow and Derosan is simply choking. Pressure is doing this team.

    A scary Friday play going out of bounds again and there's thin ice as usual. Indiana wants me oh I can't go back there.

    "Tonight its a blast!, tomorrow your homeless" Jello Biafra

     
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    GL on the pick! 
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    GL on the pick! 
     
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    As a Raptors fan, I just don't know anymore.

    I want to tell you you're wrong - but I can't.  I have no reason too at this point.  Hell, I'm not even sure the players can argue with you right now.

    Personally, I think it all boils down to which Raptors team decides to play tonight.

    We shall see.


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    As a Raptors fan, I just don't know anymore.

    I want to tell you you're wrong - but I can't.  I have no reason too at this point.  Hell, I'm not even sure the players can argue with you right now.

    Personally, I think it all boils down to which Raptors team decides to play tonight.

    We shall see.


     
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    Posted: Apr. 29, 2016 - 8:13 AM ET #20

    Skid row I'm so glad I never have to meet you and your scrambled brain in person

    Scal, respect as always. Surprised you didn't pick Leicester to win the EPL...


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    Skid row I'm so glad I never have to meet you and your scrambled brain in person

    Scal, respect as always. Surprised you didn't pick Leicester to win the EPL...


     
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    Posted: Apr. 29, 2016 - 8:18 AM ET #21

    scal thanks for the pick I was having hard time figuring what to bet tonite im glad I stopped by covers lets go pacers
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    scal thanks for the pick I was having hard time figuring what to bet tonite im glad I stopped by covers lets go pacers
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenp:

    Scal: As always, thanks for your thoughts.  I think the pick of the night is Charlotte; for the similar reason you're picking Indiana: IT IS CHARLOTTE'S GAME SEVEN.

    But to this Indiana-Toronto game.  This is an evolving, improving Toronto squad-- who desparately needs to get over the hump.  IFFF Kyle Lowry could have one Kyle Lowry good game, Toronto can win this one.

    I think this is a must-win game for Toronto; cause they've experienced a home loss in game seven two years ago.  This is a team that needs to prove itself.  Toronto knows if they lose game six, they can lose game seven.  Consequently, since Toronto is the better TEAM (more depth), and both teams will be equally motivated, I lean Toronto.  But my money's down south with my Chinese boy Lin.

    Great post.  It'll make the game more enjoyable.

    I really can't justify the 'must-win' for the Raps tonight Steven.

    This team continually prevents itself from taking control of a series.

    And right now, these teams are playing even up. Even though it's 3-2, you might argue the Pacers are the slightly better team in this series for that 90 minute lead streak.

    If Kyle is all-world tonight, yes, it will make a Pacers win immensely difficult. But go look at his stats in the series. His shooting has been atrocious: 24-78 (30%). Derozan, despite last game has been subpar, if not bad, as well: 30/81 (37%). You shouldn't be able to win a series with your two best players shooting a combined 33%

    If they were playing the Knicks, I'd say they were simply 'off'. But the shooting woes stem from the Pacers D and that isn't going to change. In fact, it will ramp up in intensity on an elimination game. So even if Lowery is on, Derozan will likely be subpar. This leads to a troubling result for the Raptors, despite the fact I see a close ending.

    I would like Charlotte except the non-call at the end of the last game provides their motivational leader, if not, best player when he revives the old Wade, every reason to get this series back to Miami. Plus that would be 4 straight after the first 2 wins. Very tough and a no play for me but I wish you luck!




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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenp:

    Scal: As always, thanks for your thoughts.  I think the pick of the night is Charlotte; for the similar reason you're picking Indiana: IT IS CHARLOTTE'S GAME SEVEN.

    But to this Indiana-Toronto game.  This is an evolving, improving Toronto squad-- who desparately needs to get over the hump.  IFFF Kyle Lowry could have one Kyle Lowry good game, Toronto can win this one.

    I think this is a must-win game for Toronto; cause they've experienced a home loss in game seven two years ago.  This is a team that needs to prove itself.  Toronto knows if they lose game six, they can lose game seven.  Consequently, since Toronto is the better TEAM (more depth), and both teams will be equally motivated, I lean Toronto.  But my money's down south with my Chinese boy Lin.

    Great post.  It'll make the game more enjoyable.

    I really can't justify the 'must-win' for the Raps tonight Steven.

    This team continually prevents itself from taking control of a series.

    And right now, these teams are playing even up. Even though it's 3-2, you might argue the Pacers are the slightly better team in this series for that 90 minute lead streak.

    If Kyle is all-world tonight, yes, it will make a Pacers win immensely difficult. But go look at his stats in the series. His shooting has been atrocious: 24-78 (30%). Derozan, despite last game has been subpar, if not bad, as well: 30/81 (37%). You shouldn't be able to win a series with your two best players shooting a combined 33%

    If they were playing the Knicks, I'd say they were simply 'off'. But the shooting woes stem from the Pacers D and that isn't going to change. In fact, it will ramp up in intensity on an elimination game. So even if Lowery is on, Derozan will likely be subpar. This leads to a troubling result for the Raptors, despite the fact I see a close ending.

    I would like Charlotte except the non-call at the end of the last game provides their motivational leader, if not, best player when he revives the old Wade, every reason to get this series back to Miami. Plus that would be 4 straight after the first 2 wins. Very tough and a no play for me but I wish you luck!




     
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    Thanks to the rest of the comments/support above

    Canada, I know why you don't know. This Raptors team should have come out guns-a-blazin as a 2 seed, ready to show the Cavs they will be in for a fight in an ECF match-up, and they promptly lose game 1 to the Pacers. Unacceptable. The team is schizophrenic and your post reiterates that!

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    Thanks to the rest of the comments/support above

    Canada, I know why you don't know. This Raptors team should have come out guns-a-blazin as a 2 seed, ready to show the Cavs they will be in for a fight in an ECF match-up, and they promptly lose game 1 to the Pacers. Unacceptable. The team is schizophrenic and your post reiterates that!

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    It’s time for Masai Ujiri to pull the plug on Dwane Casey. He’s been outcoached badly in consecutive playoff exits and believe he's being outcoached once again by Vogel. Casey is not the caliber of coach to take the Raptors to the next level.

     

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    It’s time for Masai Ujiri to pull the plug on Dwane Casey. He’s been outcoached badly in consecutive playoff exits and believe he's being outcoached once again by Vogel. Casey is not the caliber of coach to take the Raptors to the next level.

     

     
     
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    Always a pleasure reading your posts Scal, wish you nothing but the best on your play today. Quick question for you, if this game goes to 7 (which I think it will) who do you think takes that game? Or will that answer be saved for a Game 7 post? 

    Cheers buddy 
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    Always a pleasure reading your posts Scal, wish you nothing but the best on your play today. Quick question for you, if this game goes to 7 (which I think it will) who do you think takes that game? Or will that answer be saved for a Game 7 post? 

    Cheers buddy 
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