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    The Cardinals are in a bad way, but...

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    undermysac
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 10:38 AM ET #1

    This line stinks. All the way to the high heavens.

    The Cards are 3-7 last 10, with 2 extra inning games, and no rest.

    The Cubs are 5-4 since the all star break, no rest either.

    The Cards have been at home the last 4. The Cubs traveled from Pitt last night.

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    This line stinks. All the way to the high heavens.

    The Cards are 3-7 last 10, with 2 extra inning games, and no rest.

    The Cubs are 5-4 since the all star break, no rest either.

    The Cards have been at home the last 4. The Cubs traveled from Pitt last night.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 10:51 AM ET #2

    at least the temperature will be smoking hot... cubs fan here hoping for the win... no bet at the moment

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    at least the temperature will be smoking hot... cubs fan here hoping for the win... no bet at the moment

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 10:52 AM ET #3

    The line to me suggests that David Peterson's luck runs out in St. Louis.

    For starters, he's gotten absolutely smashed by the Cards lineup this year.

    As a Met, he lasted only 3.2 innings on June 10th, giving up 6 earned on 7 hits(2 hr's), 2 walks and 1 strikeout. 

    As a Cub only 2 starts ago on July 3rd, only 3.2 innings again, 10 earned on 9 hits(1 hr), 3 walks and 3 strikeouts.

    Peterson has looked good from the peripheral view in his last 2 starts. Sporting a 0.77 era, although the fip of 4.48 suggests he got lucky. I can attest that luck against the Tigers. He's a fly ball guy, and the wind was blowing in that day. The Tigers are thee WORST hitting team against fly ball guys. Worst ops at .684. Compared to the Cards at .735

    Today, the wind is blowing out to straight center at 7mph. It's gonna be 91 degrees, with 49% humidity. Not too humid, but conditions favor hitters here, unlike at Detroit for Peterson. 

    Plenty more to dissect. The Cardinals aren't hitting shit right now, but is this a spot vs a pitcher they own to turn things around? 

    This is a big rivalry, NL Central games have been wars this year.

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    The line to me suggests that David Peterson's luck runs out in St. Louis.

    For starters, he's gotten absolutely smashed by the Cards lineup this year.

    As a Met, he lasted only 3.2 innings on June 10th, giving up 6 earned on 7 hits(2 hr's), 2 walks and 1 strikeout. 

    As a Cub only 2 starts ago on July 3rd, only 3.2 innings again, 10 earned on 9 hits(1 hr), 3 walks and 3 strikeouts.

    Peterson has looked good from the peripheral view in his last 2 starts. Sporting a 0.77 era, although the fip of 4.48 suggests he got lucky. I can attest that luck against the Tigers. He's a fly ball guy, and the wind was blowing in that day. The Tigers are thee WORST hitting team against fly ball guys. Worst ops at .684. Compared to the Cards at .735

    Today, the wind is blowing out to straight center at 7mph. It's gonna be 91 degrees, with 49% humidity. Not too humid, but conditions favor hitters here, unlike at Detroit for Peterson. 

    Plenty more to dissect. The Cardinals aren't hitting shit right now, but is this a spot vs a pitcher they own to turn things around? 

    This is a big rivalry, NL Central games have been wars this year.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 10:55 AM ET #4

    @undermysac

     nice ink....

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    @undermysac

     nice ink....

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 11:07 AM ET #5

    Left hander Matthew Liberatore will toe the rubber vs the Cubs.

    His first time against them this year, at home on May 31st he owned them. 5.1 innings of scoreless innings, 3 hits, 1 walk and 4 strikeouts.

    His 2nd time at Wrigley didn't go as well. 2 starts ago on July 5th, 5 innings, 3 earned on 4 hits, 2 walks and 3 strikeouts. 

    Looking at both teams hitting vs LHP in the first 5 innings since July 8th.

    Cubs 73 plate appearances, .295/.821

    Cards 89 plate appearances, .247/.779

    Although, the Cubs babip is .375 in this span, and the Cards is .298, it's another luck(or not) thing that's hard to predict if it flips here, or not.

    In this same span, the Cards have had a much better isolated power #, .195 vs the Cubs at .115. This is the area where I think Peterson really gets into trouble, considering the Cards history against him, and the weather conditions. 

    I like the Cards here, a home dog with short odds. With the public betting on the Cubs with 74% of the bets and 75% of the money(supposedly).

    This could be a F5 inning target only.

    Any opinions welcome. 

    peace_5

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    Left hander Matthew Liberatore will toe the rubber vs the Cubs.

    His first time against them this year, at home on May 31st he owned them. 5.1 innings of scoreless innings, 3 hits, 1 walk and 4 strikeouts.

    His 2nd time at Wrigley didn't go as well. 2 starts ago on July 5th, 5 innings, 3 earned on 4 hits, 2 walks and 3 strikeouts. 

    Looking at both teams hitting vs LHP in the first 5 innings since July 8th.

    Cubs 73 plate appearances, .295/.821

    Cards 89 plate appearances, .247/.779

    Although, the Cubs babip is .375 in this span, and the Cards is .298, it's another luck(or not) thing that's hard to predict if it flips here, or not.

    In this same span, the Cards have had a much better isolated power #, .195 vs the Cubs at .115. This is the area where I think Peterson really gets into trouble, considering the Cards history against him, and the weather conditions. 

    I like the Cards here, a home dog with short odds. With the public betting on the Cubs with 74% of the bets and 75% of the money(supposedly).

    This could be a F5 inning target only.

    Any opinions welcome. 

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 11:16 AM ET #6

    *Liberatore toes the rubber for the Cards*

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    *Liberatore toes the rubber for the Cards*

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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 11:28 AM ET #7

    @undermysac

     Appreciate you providing the in depth analysis especially if you're delivering cases of beer on this hot, muggy, steamy, and sauna type day herepeace_5

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    @undermysac

     Appreciate you providing the in depth analysis especially if you're delivering cases of beer on this hot, muggy, steamy, and sauna type day herepeace_5

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 11:45 AM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by chicubs09:

    @undermysac  Appreciate you providing the in depth analysis especially if you're delivering cases of beer on this hot, muggy, steamy, and sauna type day here

    I'm off on Mondays thank god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chicubs09:

    @undermysac  Appreciate you providing the in depth analysis especially if you're delivering cases of beer on this hot, muggy, steamy, and sauna type day here

    I'm off on Mondays thank god.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 11:49 AM ET #9

    Nice breakdown. Walker, Winn, Fermin and Weatherholt have hit Peterson very well, limited PAs though. Peterson's night split ERA is 7.45/48.1 IP. That's a good stat for Cards' bettors.

    Thanks for the work,

    RT2

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    Nice breakdown. Walker, Winn, Fermin and Weatherholt have hit Peterson very well, limited PAs though. Peterson's night split ERA is 7.45/48.1 IP. That's a good stat for Cards' bettors.

    Thanks for the work,

    RT2

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 11:57 AM ET #10

    Good information here. Cards have the better starter, but considering Cards TTO and F5. Cards Svanson had nothing in the 10th yesterday. Prefer Wheeler and Fried minus one. 

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    Good information here. Cards have the better starter, but considering Cards TTO and F5. Cards Svanson had nothing in the 10th yesterday. Prefer Wheeler and Fried minus one. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 12:06 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by bigred84:

    @undermysac  nice ink....
    no telling how things will come to pass but he sure enough gives info how they could or should, he's one of the best. GLuck today buddy. peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred84:

    @undermysac  nice ink....
    no telling how things will come to pass but he sure enough gives info how they could or should, he's one of the best. GLuck today buddy. peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 12:14 PM ET #12

    Since the break

     

     

    Cubs 6th avg

    Cubs 5th runs scored

     

    Cards 25th avg

    Catds 21st runs scored

     

     

    Differential of more than 10

     

    When that happened this weekend

     

    Worst numbers went 9-1

     

     

     

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    There is no 100% cappers in the world
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    Since the break

     

     

    Cubs 6th avg

    Cubs 5th runs scored

     

    Cards 25th avg

    Catds 21st runs scored

     

     

    Differential of more than 10

     

    When that happened this weekend

     

    Worst numbers went 9-1

     

     

     

    an_blowhorn

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 12:17 PM ET #13

    With all due respect sir...f5 over seems better than any sidequiet

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    With all due respect sir...f5 over seems better than any sidequiet

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 12:18 PM ET #14

    @KingScorpio

     Thanks peace_5

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    @KingScorpio

     Thanks peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 12:19 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by JackDragonJack:

    With all due respect sir...f5 over seems better than any side

    Nothing is off the table peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackDragonJack:

    With all due respect sir...f5 over seems better than any side

    Nothing is off the table peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 12:26 PM ET #16

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     Looks like storms are coming getting dark around my housean_light

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    @undermysac

     Looks like storms are coming getting dark around my housean_light

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 12:36 PM ET #17

    The Cubs are 5-6 on Mondays. Hitting .249/.759

    The Cards are 4-8. Hitting .206/.586

    The Cubs are 1-2 on Mondays vs division 

    The Cards are 2-2 on Mondays vs division 

    The Cubs are 23-22 after a loss

    The Cards are 25-26 after a loss

     

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    The Cubs are 5-6 on Mondays. Hitting .249/.759

    The Cards are 4-8. Hitting .206/.586

    The Cubs are 1-2 on Mondays vs division 

    The Cards are 2-2 on Mondays vs division 

    The Cubs are 23-22 after a loss

    The Cards are 25-26 after a loss

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 12:37 PM ET #18

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     It's been pouring rain for half an hour in the west burbs. Strong winds starting to pick up.

    This weather was inevitable with how hot and humid it's been for days

    peace_5

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    @chicubs09

     It's been pouring rain for half an hour in the west burbs. Strong winds starting to pick up.

    This weather was inevitable with how hot and humid it's been for days

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 4:56 PM ET #19

    Hey Hey

     

    This thread reminds me of Jack Brickhouse

     

     

     

    GL peace_5

     

     

    There is no 100% cappers in the world
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    Hey Hey

     

    This thread reminds me of Jack Brickhouse

     

     

     

    GL peace_5

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 5:10 PM ET #20

    Tornadoes hit random burbs out here in Illinois. 

    Went to check on the garage where I keep my boat, no damage thankfully. But there's half a tree down in the yard, holes in the wooden fence on one side, and the other neighbors fence completely blown over. Wind bending steel is quite the site.

    What a day.

    My morning started with 2 Mexican dudes putting in a new furnace and AC unit at my place 3 towns over. They faced the rain, wind and tornado sirens. God bless them they got the job done. Gave em a hundo for a tip.

    Stay safe out there folks

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    Tornadoes hit random burbs out here in Illinois. 

    Went to check on the garage where I keep my boat, no damage thankfully. But there's half a tree down in the yard, holes in the wooden fence on one side, and the other neighbors fence completely blown over. Wind bending steel is quite the site.

    What a day.

    My morning started with 2 Mexican dudes putting in a new furnace and AC unit at my place 3 towns over. They faced the rain, wind and tornado sirens. God bless them they got the job done. Gave em a hundo for a tip.

    Stay safe out there folks

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 5:58 PM ET #21

    Thanks for the sharing your angle, especially with the Liberatore on the mound. Curious why you went with 7/8 range start date as opposed to an earlier (6/1 or 7/1) or later (post all-star break)? I'm personally leaning cubs ML (based on cubs vs LHP and recent rise in Elo and playoff odds%), but your angle makes me want to pause since it makes sense. Regardless I wish you the BOL 

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    Thanks for the sharing your angle, especially with the Liberatore on the mound. Curious why you went with 7/8 range start date as opposed to an earlier (6/1 or 7/1) or later (post all-star break)? I'm personally leaning cubs ML (based on cubs vs LHP and recent rise in Elo and playoff odds%), but your angle makes me want to pause since it makes sense. Regardless I wish you the BOL 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 6:08 PM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by EBITDADDY:

    Thanks for the sharing your angle, especially with the Liberatore on the mound. Curious why you went with 7/8 range start date as opposed to an earlier (6/1 or 7/1) or later (post all-star break)? I'm personally leaning cubs ML (based on cubs vs LHP and recent rise in Elo and playoff odds%), but your angle makes me want to pause since it makes sense. Regardless I wish you the BOL

    When looking at first 5 innings only, vs left handed pitching, I start at a more recent date, then go back until there's an ample amount of plate appearances. There aren't many left handed starters in the league. 

    Whatever date you go back to since July 1, the Cubs are better than the Cards in that department. BA, OPS, k% and bb%. The cards only better at ISO.

    peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBITDADDY:

    Thanks for the sharing your angle, especially with the Liberatore on the mound. Curious why you went with 7/8 range start date as opposed to an earlier (6/1 or 7/1) or later (post all-star break)? I'm personally leaning cubs ML (based on cubs vs LHP and recent rise in Elo and playoff odds%), but your angle makes me want to pause since it makes sense. Regardless I wish you the BOL

    When looking at first 5 innings only, vs left handed pitching, I start at a more recent date, then go back until there's an ample amount of plate appearances. There aren't many left handed starters in the league. 

    Whatever date you go back to since July 1, the Cubs are better than the Cards in that department. BA, OPS, k% and bb%. The cards only better at ISO.

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 6:18 PM ET #23

    Starting lineups are out.

    Cubs 7 right handed bats, the Cards 6.

    David Peterson vs RHB:

    BA: .292, OPS: .789, sOPS+ 125

    Liberatore vs RHB: 

    BA: .281, OPS: .804, sOPS+ 127

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    Starting lineups are out.

    Cubs 7 right handed bats, the Cards 6.

    David Peterson vs RHB:

    BA: .292, OPS: .789, sOPS+ 125

    Liberatore vs RHB: 

    BA: .281, OPS: .804, sOPS+ 127

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 6:23 PM ET #24

    These games go either way

     

    Do you really see an edge here ????

     

     

     

    My pick would be un 9.5 -115

     

     

     

    GL peace_5

     

     

    There is no 100% cappers in the world
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    These games go either way

     

    Do you really see an edge here ????

     

     

     

    My pick would be un 9.5 -115

     

     

     

    GL peace_5

     

     

     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2026 - 6:37 PM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by KingScorpio:

    These games go either way   Do you really see an edge here ????       My pick would be un 9.5 -115       GL

    Seeing an edge for the Cards in the first 3 innings, I think that's the way I'm gonna play it.

    Can't trust the Cards hitting in the 4th and 5th innings, whether Peterson is still in or not.

    And I don't trust Liberatore's pitching in the 4th and 5th innings. He's been awful. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingScorpio:

    These games go either way   Do you really see an edge here ????       My pick would be un 9.5 -115       GL

    Seeing an edge for the Cards in the first 3 innings, I think that's the way I'm gonna play it.

    Can't trust the Cards hitting in the 4th and 5th innings, whether Peterson is still in or not.

    And I don't trust Liberatore's pitching in the 4th and 5th innings. He's been awful. 

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