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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2010 - 3:39 PM ET #26

    I'm not high on this horse, I didn't see his race till I watched the replay today.
     I think 30/1 is short, but if the guy feels like taking a shot I've seen worse bets.

    If the horse even runs in that 8f race  it isn't about whether he wins or loses, what matters is does he take the next step on the conditioning ladder for Zito.


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    I'm not high on this horse, I didn't see his race till I watched the replay today.
     I think 30/1 is short, but if the guy feels like taking a shot I've seen worse bets.

    If the horse even runs in that 8f race  it isn't about whether he wins or loses, what matters is does he take the next step on the conditioning ladder for Zito.


     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2010 - 3:46 PM ET #27

    if he doesn't win convincingly then in order to even be eligible for the KY Derby he would have likely three chances to take down a Graded Stakes between 1/7 and early May.  so two things stand out to me:

    1. if he doesn't look good does he even get placed in a graded event next out?  if not then he is down to two more attempts to get the earnings

    2. what are his chances of hitting the board in these graded events if after his first two races he hasn't shown any great ability

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    if he doesn't win convincingly then in order to even be eligible for the KY Derby he would have likely three chances to take down a Graded Stakes between 1/7 and early May.  so two things stand out to me:

    1. if he doesn't look good does he even get placed in a graded event next out?  if not then he is down to two more attempts to get the earnings

    2. what are his chances of hitting the board in these graded events if after his first two races he hasn't shown any great ability

     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2010 - 3:49 PM ET #28

    Winning that race isn't going to help him get into the Derby. It's about the horse taking the next step on the conditioning ladder.
     You want him to progress not regress, but he may hook another nice horse and get beat but still get the things Zito wanted to get out of the race.
    .Him winning or losing the race matters if you're trying to cash a ticket.
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    Winning that race isn't going to help him get into the Derby. It's about the horse taking the next step on the conditioning ladder.
     You want him to progress not regress, but he may hook another nice horse and get beat but still get the things Zito wanted to get out of the race.
    .Him winning or losing the race matters if you're trying to cash a ticket.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2010 - 3:55 PM ET #29

    ok, got some time on my hands today so i went to the Gulfstream site.

    1/30 - Holy Bull G3 one turn mile

    2/26 - Davona Dale G2 one turn mile

    2/26 - Fountain of Youth G2 nine furlongs

    3/12 - Palm Beach G3 nine furlongs (turf)

    4/3 - Swale G2 seven furlongs

    4/3 - Flordia Derby G1 nine furlongs

    Those are all the graded events at Gulfstream for three year olds only and not fillies.  one is on turf and one is a sprint so not typical Zito preps for the Derby.  NYRA has some options as well.  however, the two top horses from the NYRA circuit will be involved here as well along with lord knows how many other horses that we have seen or haven't seen yet. 

    he could do it but just getting there is going to be a challenge unless we see something special on 1/7.

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    ok, got some time on my hands today so i went to the Gulfstream site.

    1/30 - Holy Bull G3 one turn mile

    2/26 - Davona Dale G2 one turn mile

    2/26 - Fountain of Youth G2 nine furlongs

    3/12 - Palm Beach G3 nine furlongs (turf)

    4/3 - Swale G2 seven furlongs

    4/3 - Flordia Derby G1 nine furlongs

    Those are all the graded events at Gulfstream for three year olds only and not fillies.  one is on turf and one is a sprint so not typical Zito preps for the Derby.  NYRA has some options as well.  however, the two top horses from the NYRA circuit will be involved here as well along with lord knows how many other horses that we have seen or haven't seen yet. 

    he could do it but just getting there is going to be a challenge unless we see something special on 1/7.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2010 - 3:58 PM ET #30

    i know he doesn't HAVE to win this N1X.  my point is that if we don't see him do something real nice like either win big, just lose to another real good one, or come from the clouds to hit the board and move up the beyer ladder then I personally do not see him all of a sudden showing up as a monster in the graded stakes he would need to hit to get the earnings. 
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    i know he doesn't HAVE to win this N1X.  my point is that if we don't see him do something real nice like either win big, just lose to another real good one, or come from the clouds to hit the board and move up the beyer ladder then I personally do not see him all of a sudden showing up as a monster in the graded stakes he would need to hit to get the earnings. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2010 - 4:15 PM ET #31

    If he were to regress, then to expect a big rebound in a stakes race isn't realistic.

    I went into my database and looked at the figure  the Derby winners since 2001 ran in their debuts. Dialed in ran a 75 in my numbers.

    01 Monarchos 68
    02 War Emblem 66
    03 Funny Cide 78
    04 Smarty Jones 88
    05 Giacomo 52
    06 Barbaro 75 T
    07 Street Sense 70
    08 Big Brown 77 T
    09 Mine That bird 54 A
    10 Super Saver 71

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    If he were to regress, then to expect a big rebound in a stakes race isn't realistic.

    I went into my database and looked at the figure  the Derby winners since 2001 ran in their debuts. Dialed in ran a 75 in my numbers.

    01 Monarchos 68
    02 War Emblem 66
    03 Funny Cide 78
    04 Smarty Jones 88
    05 Giacomo 52
    06 Barbaro 75 T
    07 Street Sense 70
    08 Big Brown 77 T
    09 Mine That bird 54 A
    10 Super Saver 71

     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2010 - 4:33 PM ET #32

    good data

    however, a 2YO running a race in June is a helluva lot different than one in November.  we both know they are growing up quick so when those races you point out took place is an important part of that puzzle. 

    this dialed in guy making debut late in the year when the crews are suspect is another reason why my antenna is up and my red flag is ready to be thrown. 

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    good data

    however, a 2YO running a race in June is a helluva lot different than one in November.  we both know they are growing up quick so when those races you point out took place is an important part of that puzzle. 

    this dialed in guy making debut late in the year when the crews are suspect is another reason why my antenna is up and my red flag is ready to be thrown. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2010 - 4:38 PM ET #33

    I guess my ultimate point was, to dismiss this horse because of his debut was being hasty.


     
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    I guess my ultimate point was, to dismiss this horse because of his debut was being hasty.


     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2010 - 4:45 PM ET #34

    ok

    my point i suppose ultimately was that the debut was not very good much less great and it is a major longshot that he will win and he could very well not even get in the starting gate.

    where is rousy?

    he/she is supposed to lay out the campaign to us after he wins this spin on 1/7 by ten lengths.  prolly be a formality to just go through the motions and win a couple of graded stakes. 

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    ok

    my point i suppose ultimately was that the debut was not very good much less great and it is a major longshot that he will win and he could very well not even get in the starting gate.

    where is rousy?

    he/she is supposed to lay out the campaign to us after he wins this spin on 1/7 by ten lengths.  prolly be a formality to just go through the motions and win a couple of graded stakes. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2010 - 4:54 PM ET #35

    I guess we'll disagree. I think the debut was very good, especially factoring in it was a Zito debut.
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    I guess we'll disagree. I think the debut was very good, especially factoring in it was a Zito debut.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2010 - 8:25 PM ET #36

    Zito does have my respect for three year olds u guys talk about fly down and ice box  but leave out morning line this year  a million dollar race won and another million dollar race lost by a head to dakota phone   so to me morning line is alot better then fly down and ice box and merits the respect zito deserves with 3yo's watch the finish in the PA derby tell me he didnt have the horse in prime mode!!!  however as i found out with WAR PASS(rip)   & RULE last year its way too early to bet the derby  become a fan fine but I am done with future bets
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    Zito does have my respect for three year olds u guys talk about fly down and ice box  but leave out morning line this year  a million dollar race won and another million dollar race lost by a head to dakota phone   so to me morning line is alot better then fly down and ice box and merits the respect zito deserves with 3yo's watch the finish in the PA derby tell me he didnt have the horse in prime mode!!!  however as i found out with WAR PASS(rip)   & RULE last year its way too early to bet the derby  become a fan fine but I am done with future bets
     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2010 - 9:41 PM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by outsmart smarty:

    however as i found out with WAR PASS(rip)   & RULE last year its way too early to bet the derby  become a fan fine but I am done with future bets

    I had I Want Revenge (57-1 I think) and Eskendereya (28-1 I think) the past two years.  Sounds like a lie, but it's not.  I posted here when I bet them.  That being said, I'll still dabble in futures.  Very exciting to watch those horses get rolling as the Derby approached.  Derby Day......not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by outsmart smarty:

    however as i found out with WAR PASS(rip)   & RULE last year its way too early to bet the derby  become a fan fine but I am done with future bets

    I had I Want Revenge (57-1 I think) and Eskendereya (28-1 I think) the past two years.  Sounds like a lie, but it's not.  I posted here when I bet them.  That being said, I'll still dabble in futures.  Very exciting to watch those horses get rolling as the Derby approached.  Derby Day......not so much.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2010 - 10:24 PM ET #38

    Dialed in had some physical issues, almost like Zenyatta. He was too damn big and needed time to learn how to run.
    Yes, the earnings are an issue, but Nick will find a way. Another good workout the other day.
    I am locked at 30-1.
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    Dialed in had some physical issues, almost like Zenyatta. He was too damn big and needed time to learn how to run.
    Yes, the earnings are an issue, but Nick will find a way. Another good workout the other day.
    I am locked at 30-1.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2010 - 10:46 AM ET #39

    I've never seen Roused pick a winner with odds over 2-1,  the chances of him being right about this are about 1,000,000 to 1.   


    The Churchill announcer goes nuts about this horse during his call and Roused falls for it.  


     Roused

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    I've never seen Roused pick a winner with odds over 2-1,  the chances of him being right about this are about 1,000,000 to 1.   


    The Churchill announcer goes nuts about this horse during his call and Roused falls for it.  


     Roused

     
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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2010 - 11:40 AM ET #40

    he/she doesn't "pick" anything.  rousy takes the consensus selections from the form or his local paper or some other source and throws them up here.  his latest response "Nick will figure it out" covers up the fact that he/she couldn't find anything at drf.com to copy and paste here in response. 
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    he/she doesn't "pick" anything.  rousy takes the consensus selections from the form or his local paper or some other source and throws them up here.  his latest response "Nick will figure it out" covers up the fact that he/she couldn't find anything at drf.com to copy and paste here in response. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2010 - 4:39 PM ET #41

    Wow, why all the hatred ? Listen, just like when I watched Zenyatta's first race, Dialed In's was just as visually impressive. Again, I love the connections and the breeding. Just have to make sure he gets the earnings to get in.

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    Wow, why all the hatred ? Listen, just like when I watched Zenyatta's first race, Dialed In's was just as visually impressive. Again, I love the connections and the breeding. Just have to make sure he gets the earnings to get in.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roused:

    Wow, why all the hatred ? Listen, just like when I watched Zenyatta's first race, Dialed In's was just as visually impressive. Again, I love the connections and the breeding. Just have to make sure he gets the earnings to get in.




    Not hate Roused.       If the horse wins the Derby,  you can rub it in mine and a few other peoples faces.    


    I think you're going way overboard based on a maiden race but I've definitely been wrong before.   

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roused:

    Wow, why all the hatred ? Listen, just like when I watched Zenyatta's first race, Dialed In's was just as visually impressive. Again, I love the connections and the breeding. Just have to make sure he gets the earnings to get in.




    Not hate Roused.       If the horse wins the Derby,  you can rub it in mine and a few other peoples faces.    


    I think you're going way overboard based on a maiden race but I've definitely been wrong before.   

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyhound:




    Not hate Roused.       If the horse wins the Derby,  you can rub it in mine and a few other peoples faces.    


    I think you're going way overboard based on a maiden race but I've definitely been wrong before.   



    Oh, OK. I will make the Derby prediction after all the preps have been run. Come on ! The whole idea of the futures bet is to get in early before all you guys even know about the horse. I am just sharing because I am a nice person.
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    Not hate Roused.       If the horse wins the Derby,  you can rub it in mine and a few other peoples faces.    


    I think you're going way overboard based on a maiden race but I've definitely been wrong before.   



    Oh, OK. I will make the Derby prediction after all the preps have been run. Come on ! The whole idea of the futures bet is to get in early before all you guys even know about the horse. I am just sharing because I am a nice person.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2011 - 11:23 AM ET #44

    Dialed In

    Date: January 4, 2011
    Track: PALM MEADOWS TRAINING CENTER
    Distance: Four Furlongs
    Time: 47:90 Breezing
    Track Condition: Fast
    Surface: Dirt
    Rank: 1/37

    Interesting workout ....BEST of 37 today......gonna hurt some odds....

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    Date: January 4, 2011
    Track: PALM MEADOWS TRAINING CENTER
    Distance: Four Furlongs
    Time: 47:90 Breezing
    Track Condition: Fast
    Surface: Dirt
    Rank: 1/37

    Interesting workout ....BEST of 37 today......gonna hurt some odds....

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2011 - 11:11 PM ET #45

    Sweet ! Thanks for the info.
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    Sweet ! Thanks for the info.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by outsmart smarty:

    Zito does have my respect for three year olds u guys talk about fly down and ice box  but leave out morning line this year  a million dollar race won and another million dollar race lost by a head to dakota phone   so to me morning line is alot better then fly down and ice box and merits the respect zito deserves with 3yo's watch the finish in the PA derby tell me he didnt have the horse in prime mode!!!  however as i found out with WAR PASS(rip)   & RULE last year its way too early to bet the derby  become a fan fine but I am done with future bets

     

    Intresting: I didnt expect these two horses to compete against eachother in the hal's hope on saturday

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    Quote Originally Posted by outsmart smarty:

    Zito does have my respect for three year olds u guys talk about fly down and ice box  but leave out morning line this year  a million dollar race won and another million dollar race lost by a head to dakota phone   so to me morning line is alot better then fly down and ice box and merits the respect zito deserves with 3yo's watch the finish in the PA derby tell me he didnt have the horse in prime mode!!!  however as i found out with WAR PASS(rip)   & RULE last year its way too early to bet the derby  become a fan fine but I am done with future bets

     

    Intresting: I didnt expect these two horses to compete against eachother in the hal's hope on saturday

     
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    Posted: Jan. 17, 2011 - 10:50 PM ET #47

    Get your futures bet in before Friday. Dialed In is scheduled to run at Gulfstream. Race 9 Friday. Can't wait.
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    Get your futures bet in before Friday. Dialed In is scheduled to run at Gulfstream. Race 9 Friday. Can't wait.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2011 - 8:30 AM ET #48

    He's definitely in with a lot better horses this time.

    Past Performances   

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    He's definitely in with a lot better horses this time.

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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2011 - 4:40 PM ET #49

    Derby Future Bets = Sucker Bets
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    Derby Future Bets = Sucker Bets
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimRockford:

    Derby Future Bets = Sucker Bets

    Agreed 100%, it's like buying a lottery ticket!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimRockford:

    Derby Future Bets = Sucker Bets

    Agreed 100%, it's like buying a lottery ticket!

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