Roused, had a superb weekend the previous week in Canada. Erupt is a big player for the Turf along with Highland Reel. As mentioned above, Found going for the Classic is something her owners have done before. Bolshy call but actually makes sense. She has an iron constitution and goes on all ground. Dirt is an unknown but couldn't rule her out.
Frosted taken out the betting with several bookies for Dirt Mile so looks like Classic is the target
HI Giant.
Yeah Frosted was confirmed to the Classic.
Quote Originally Posted by giant_causeway:
Roused, had a superb weekend the previous week in Canada. Erupt is a big player for the Turf along with Highland Reel. As mentioned above, Found going for the Classic is something her owners have done before. Bolshy call but actually makes sense. She has an iron constitution and goes on all ground. Dirt is an unknown but couldn't rule her out.
Frosted taken out the betting with several bookies for Dirt Mile so looks like Classic is the target
Aidan O'Brien has confirmed that Arc heroine Found's first preference at the Breeders' Cup will be the Classic - a race that has tantalisingly eluded the Ballydoyle trainer in the past. O'Brien has entred 13 horses over all for the two-day meeting in California - the most of any trainer at Santa Anita as he continues to try to overhaul Bobby Frankel's record of 25 Grade One wins in a calendar year. Highland Reel was also included in the 14-strong pre-entry for the $6million dirt contest, but the King George winner looks bound for the Longines Breeders' Cup Turf. O'Brien has finished second in the Classic with Giant's Causeway and Henrythenavigator, while Declaration Of War was third in the mile-and-a-quarter showpiece that will be staged on November 5. He reported it is "very possible" Found's Coolmore owners will send her to Santa Anita for which she is as short as a 14-1 chance (Coral) for the Classic. Her sire Galileo finished sixth in the same race in 2001. O'Brien said: "It's a bit (of an) unknown that she hasn't raced on the dirt before. Galileo ran well in the Classic himself on dirt after a long gruelling season as a three-year-old. Anything is possible with Galileos. "Found is an incredible mare. She handles fast ground and soft ground. She seems very versatile, really. "She is a filly with a lot of tactical speed, but we know she stays a mile and a half. She has been very competitive in Group Ones from a mile up to a mile and a half." O'Brien has registered 10 Breeders' Cup winners to date and a strong raiding party will depart for California on Monday. Highland Reel is the 15-8 second-favourite (Paddy Power) for the Turf after finishing second to Found in the Arc. O'Brien confirmed that race is the plan for Highand Reel and said: "So far, so good. "He is a great horse - tough, consistent and runs at an unbelievably high level all the time. He handles all kinds of ground - very happy with fast ground - stays a mile and half well and has plenty of tactical speed."
Aidan O'Brien has confirmed that Arc heroine Found's first preference at the Breeders' Cup will be the Classic - a race that has tantalisingly eluded the Ballydoyle trainer in the past. O'Brien has entred 13 horses over all for the two-day meeting in California - the most of any trainer at Santa Anita as he continues to try to overhaul Bobby Frankel's record of 25 Grade One wins in a calendar year. Highland Reel was also included in the 14-strong pre-entry for the $6million dirt contest, but the King George winner looks bound for the Longines Breeders' Cup Turf. O'Brien has finished second in the Classic with Giant's Causeway and Henrythenavigator, while Declaration Of War was third in the mile-and-a-quarter showpiece that will be staged on November 5. He reported it is "very possible" Found's Coolmore owners will send her to Santa Anita for which she is as short as a 14-1 chance (Coral) for the Classic. Her sire Galileo finished sixth in the same race in 2001. O'Brien said: "It's a bit (of an) unknown that she hasn't raced on the dirt before. Galileo ran well in the Classic himself on dirt after a long gruelling season as a three-year-old. Anything is possible with Galileos. "Found is an incredible mare. She handles fast ground and soft ground. She seems very versatile, really. "She is a filly with a lot of tactical speed, but we know she stays a mile and a half. She has been very competitive in Group Ones from a mile up to a mile and a half." O'Brien has registered 10 Breeders' Cup winners to date and a strong raiding party will depart for California on Monday. Highland Reel is the 15-8 second-favourite (Paddy Power) for the Turf after finishing second to Found in the Arc. O'Brien confirmed that race is the plan for Highand Reel and said: "So far, so good. "He is a great horse - tough, consistent and runs at an unbelievably high level all the time. He handles all kinds of ground - very happy with fast ground - stays a mile and half well and has plenty of tactical speed."
Alice Springs, from O'Brien's crack three-year-old fillies' team, looks bound for the Mile after winning the Group One Matron Stakes and the Sun Chariot Stakes. As big as 5-1 with Paddy Power, she is likely to be joined in it by Cougar Mountain. O'Brien said: "Alice Springs is a very good filly and seems to be getting quicker as the year goes on. She seems to love fast ground and is a strong traveller. "She seems to be in good form. The filly has progressed with every run and obviously we were very happy with her at Newmarket (Sun Chariot). "Cougar Mountain will probably go as well. He is a very tough, consistent horse who just wants fast ground and a good pace on. That's when he is seen at his best." Washington DC is on course for the Turf Sprint after finishing second in the Prix de l'Abbaye at Chantilly. Seventh Heaven and first reserve Pretty Perfect could leave O'Brien double-handed in the Filly & Mare Turf. And from the powerful Ballydoyle two-year-old team, 6-1 shots Hydrangea and Roly Poly will probably represent O'Brien in the Juvenile Fillies. Hydrangea was second to stablemate Rhododendron in the Fillies' Mile, while Roly Poly was short-headed last month in the Cheveley Park Stakes. O'Brien said: "Hydrangea gets a mile well - we saw that in the Fillies' Mile. She's in good form and it's very possible she'll go. Roly Poly would be stepping up in trip but it's possible that she'll go. She'll love the fast ground and we'll find out about the mile." Intelligence Cross (4-1) and Lancaster Bomber (9-2) head the market for the Juvenile Turf. Intelligence Cross was fourth in the Middle Park Stakes and Lancaster Bomber chased home Churchill in the Dewhurst Stakes. O'Brien said: "The plan at the moment is for the two of them to go to the Juvenile Turf. "Intelligence Cross would love fast ground and going round the bend. The other horse would love the ground, it looks like that he would appreciate going a mile."
Alice Springs, from O'Brien's crack three-year-old fillies' team, looks bound for the Mile after winning the Group One Matron Stakes and the Sun Chariot Stakes. As big as 5-1 with Paddy Power, she is likely to be joined in it by Cougar Mountain. O'Brien said: "Alice Springs is a very good filly and seems to be getting quicker as the year goes on. She seems to love fast ground and is a strong traveller. "She seems to be in good form. The filly has progressed with every run and obviously we were very happy with her at Newmarket (Sun Chariot). "Cougar Mountain will probably go as well. He is a very tough, consistent horse who just wants fast ground and a good pace on. That's when he is seen at his best." Washington DC is on course for the Turf Sprint after finishing second in the Prix de l'Abbaye at Chantilly. Seventh Heaven and first reserve Pretty Perfect could leave O'Brien double-handed in the Filly & Mare Turf. And from the powerful Ballydoyle two-year-old team, 6-1 shots Hydrangea and Roly Poly will probably represent O'Brien in the Juvenile Fillies. Hydrangea was second to stablemate Rhododendron in the Fillies' Mile, while Roly Poly was short-headed last month in the Cheveley Park Stakes. O'Brien said: "Hydrangea gets a mile well - we saw that in the Fillies' Mile. She's in good form and it's very possible she'll go. Roly Poly would be stepping up in trip but it's possible that she'll go. She'll love the fast ground and we'll find out about the mile." Intelligence Cross (4-1) and Lancaster Bomber (9-2) head the market for the Juvenile Turf. Intelligence Cross was fourth in the Middle Park Stakes and Lancaster Bomber chased home Churchill in the Dewhurst Stakes. O'Brien said: "The plan at the moment is for the two of them to go to the Juvenile Turf. "Intelligence Cross would love fast ground and going round the bend. The other horse would love the ground, it looks like that he would appreciate going a mile."
So far my book is looking limited compared to previous years with no big fancy prices.
Ante-Post bets:
Seventh Heaven 5/1 EW
Dortmund 25/1 NON RUNNER
Highland Reel 5/1 EW
That's it!!!
Think it'll be a quiet day for me but will love cheering on the Euros! Alice Springs, Limato, Found have decent chances. Would be something if we could actually sweep the big 4 on the Saturday of the CLassic, Mile, Turf and F and M Turf! Even Washington DC isn't without a chance too as he's a decent sprinter in the 118 range. Lightning quick ground and the 6.5F trip could be factors in allowing him to run to 120+.
We've been dominant in Australia winning the Melbourne Cup trials bar the top Group 1s which has gone to two very good mares in Winx and Jameka. So the portents are ominous for the home team even if I do think the standard hasn't been great this season.
So far my book is looking limited compared to previous years with no big fancy prices.
Ante-Post bets:
Seventh Heaven 5/1 EW
Dortmund 25/1 NON RUNNER
Highland Reel 5/1 EW
That's it!!!
Think it'll be a quiet day for me but will love cheering on the Euros! Alice Springs, Limato, Found have decent chances. Would be something if we could actually sweep the big 4 on the Saturday of the CLassic, Mile, Turf and F and M Turf! Even Washington DC isn't without a chance too as he's a decent sprinter in the 118 range. Lightning quick ground and the 6.5F trip could be factors in allowing him to run to 120+.
We've been dominant in Australia winning the Melbourne Cup trials bar the top Group 1s which has gone to two very good mares in Winx and Jameka. So the portents are ominous for the home team even if I do think the standard hasn't been great this season.
Good Samaritan 12/1 EW Owners are the new big players (China Horse club and Winstar) on the block and he is with Bill Mott. His RPR best of 110 in Canada puts him competitively into the picture. The Group 2 race he won in Canada has seen previous winners all trained by Mark Casse finish not far off the winners of the juvenile turf races at this meeting. Those three recorded bests of 107 collectively suggesting Good Samaritan whose best is 110 can be competitive in what looks a lesser renewal of the Juvenile Turf. Given I have been quite scathing of European juveniles this season, he looks worthy of a bet to chalk one up for the home team.
Good Samaritan 12/1 EW Owners are the new big players (China Horse club and Winstar) on the block and he is with Bill Mott. His RPR best of 110 in Canada puts him competitively into the picture. The Group 2 race he won in Canada has seen previous winners all trained by Mark Casse finish not far off the winners of the juvenile turf races at this meeting. Those three recorded bests of 107 collectively suggesting Good Samaritan whose best is 110 can be competitive in what looks a lesser renewal of the Juvenile Turf. Given I have been quite scathing of European juveniles this season, he looks worthy of a bet to chalk one up for the home team.
Miss Temple City at 20/1 EW is hugely interesting for the Mile where favourite Tepin remains vulnerable. Limato and Alice Springs are good horses but both could be vulnerable to traffic problems around these tight turns if they stick to the tactics that they have used this season. Ironicus is useful but Miss Temple City is the top US horse for me.
She has faced Ervedya and Usherette on foreign soil and has been far from disgraced. She isn't far behind Alice Springs in form and rates the value of the race. She is versatile tactically and should be thereabouts with home advantage in her locker. She has smart form over a mile, loves the conditions she faces here and quite simply, is still unexposed in these conditions with the potential for more improvements to come.
The news Found takes on the might of California Chrome, Arrogate and Frosted should excite all racing fans! There are many who say she should go to Hong Kong and Japan if connections wanted to split their Arc winner and Highland Reel but in doing, she has nothing to prove having won an Arc already. In trying dirt, she follows in the hoofsteps of Sakhee, the last and perhaps only Arc de Triomphe winner to have attempted the double.
Aidan O'Brien has had five runners in the Classic going closest of all with Giant Causeway. Henrythenavigator came second but on Polytrack whilst Declaration of War managed a very good third to Mucho Macho Man. So You Think finished midfield in Zenyatta's Classic whilst George Washington sadly broke down on the surface on his return from a failed stallion career.
However of the famous five, only two could be described as having iron constitution: Giant Causeway and Declaration of War. That is relevant as dirt is a brutal surface for horses and only teak tough horses can withstand the rigours of dirt. Found is in the same mould as her trainer's previous iron horses. She may have been knocked for finishing second plenty of times but you have to admire her ability to produce consistent runs in a quantity more common in handicappers then Group 1 horses. Should she take to the surface, I can see her going very close.
The burning question: Would I back her? The answer's no! As a pragmatic bettor, the percentage call is to oppose. The favourite California Chrome looks rock solid but he has had a long season and there isn't much between the big three on RPR ratings. Thus Frosted looks the standout bet at 9/1 EW. Put simply, he hasn't been tested every time he has put in huge performance figures. This time he has no excuses but to perform. Quite simply, he is best fresh off an absence of 8 weeks or more. He gets that here though why connections ran him last time out when third to Shaman Ghost is a mystery given it is obvious he is best fresh! 9/1 isn't a fancy price but it is an EW price that could be seen as a potential free bet to nothing and is well worth investing in.
Miss Temple City at 20/1 EW is hugely interesting for the Mile where favourite Tepin remains vulnerable. Limato and Alice Springs are good horses but both could be vulnerable to traffic problems around these tight turns if they stick to the tactics that they have used this season. Ironicus is useful but Miss Temple City is the top US horse for me.
She has faced Ervedya and Usherette on foreign soil and has been far from disgraced. She isn't far behind Alice Springs in form and rates the value of the race. She is versatile tactically and should be thereabouts with home advantage in her locker. She has smart form over a mile, loves the conditions she faces here and quite simply, is still unexposed in these conditions with the potential for more improvements to come.
The news Found takes on the might of California Chrome, Arrogate and Frosted should excite all racing fans! There are many who say she should go to Hong Kong and Japan if connections wanted to split their Arc winner and Highland Reel but in doing, she has nothing to prove having won an Arc already. In trying dirt, she follows in the hoofsteps of Sakhee, the last and perhaps only Arc de Triomphe winner to have attempted the double.
Aidan O'Brien has had five runners in the Classic going closest of all with Giant Causeway. Henrythenavigator came second but on Polytrack whilst Declaration of War managed a very good third to Mucho Macho Man. So You Think finished midfield in Zenyatta's Classic whilst George Washington sadly broke down on the surface on his return from a failed stallion career.
However of the famous five, only two could be described as having iron constitution: Giant Causeway and Declaration of War. That is relevant as dirt is a brutal surface for horses and only teak tough horses can withstand the rigours of dirt. Found is in the same mould as her trainer's previous iron horses. She may have been knocked for finishing second plenty of times but you have to admire her ability to produce consistent runs in a quantity more common in handicappers then Group 1 horses. Should she take to the surface, I can see her going very close.
The burning question: Would I back her? The answer's no! As a pragmatic bettor, the percentage call is to oppose. The favourite California Chrome looks rock solid but he has had a long season and there isn't much between the big three on RPR ratings. Thus Frosted looks the standout bet at 9/1 EW. Put simply, he hasn't been tested every time he has put in huge performance figures. This time he has no excuses but to perform. Quite simply, he is best fresh off an absence of 8 weeks or more. He gets that here though why connections ran him last time out when third to Shaman Ghost is a mystery given it is obvious he is best fresh! 9/1 isn't a fancy price but it is an EW price that could be seen as a potential free bet to nothing and is well worth investing in.
Despite backing Seventh Heaven, I'm a little uneasy on her now. She has looked good in winning Group 1s but has looked in need of every inch of the mile and half at the Curragh and at York, tracks that are far more testing in nature than the tight turns of Santa Anita.
As a consequence, I've decided to add Queen's Trust as an EW saver. She is owned by the Queen as the name implies and trained by master handler Sir Michael Stoute. She isn't far behind Seventh Heaven at all and in fact, looks more suited to a speed test over 10F than her rival. She finished second behind Minding in the Nassau at Goodwood which is a sharp track by British standards and has the class to be a player. Firm ground is no bother to her and at 8/1, she's worth a play.
On the radar are five horses that do not tempt in terms of investing now rather then on the day. Quite simply they are short for my tastes and perhaps worth including in mulitples. Washington DC's defection here rather then Champions Day was annoying as he had his conditions at Ascot and the way the race panned out, he may well have beaten The Tin Man. Of course, holding 20/1 tickets on a probable 7/1 chance without the chance to find out does sway opinions! That said, he looks a cut above his US rivals as well as his fellow European challengers. The draw is key as like Chantilly, there is a short distance to run before the turn into the main track.
Intricately has the best form by far but Aidan O'Brien throws a curveball in running Hydrangea, runner up in the Moyglare and the Fillies Mile. She is a huge threat given she is a prominent runner whilst Roly Poly has to be strongly respected given her War Front breeding and love for firm ground. Much depends on the draw and whichever of the trio is drawn lowest will have a firm advantage.
The US trio of AP Indian, Songbird and Dortmund look the standouts in their respective division and at current prices, they could be worth including into a small treble.
On the Radar:
Washington DC (Breeders Cup Turf Sprint) 7/1
Intricately/Hydrangea (Breeders Cup Juvenile Turf) 9/2, 6/1
AP Indian (Breeders Cup Sprint) 7/2
Songbird (Breeders Cup Distaff) Evens
Dortmund (Breeders Cup Dirt Mile) 11/10
Despite backing Seventh Heaven, I'm a little uneasy on her now. She has looked good in winning Group 1s but has looked in need of every inch of the mile and half at the Curragh and at York, tracks that are far more testing in nature than the tight turns of Santa Anita.
As a consequence, I've decided to add Queen's Trust as an EW saver. She is owned by the Queen as the name implies and trained by master handler Sir Michael Stoute. She isn't far behind Seventh Heaven at all and in fact, looks more suited to a speed test over 10F than her rival. She finished second behind Minding in the Nassau at Goodwood which is a sharp track by British standards and has the class to be a player. Firm ground is no bother to her and at 8/1, she's worth a play.
On the radar are five horses that do not tempt in terms of investing now rather then on the day. Quite simply they are short for my tastes and perhaps worth including in mulitples. Washington DC's defection here rather then Champions Day was annoying as he had his conditions at Ascot and the way the race panned out, he may well have beaten The Tin Man. Of course, holding 20/1 tickets on a probable 7/1 chance without the chance to find out does sway opinions! That said, he looks a cut above his US rivals as well as his fellow European challengers. The draw is key as like Chantilly, there is a short distance to run before the turn into the main track.
Intricately has the best form by far but Aidan O'Brien throws a curveball in running Hydrangea, runner up in the Moyglare and the Fillies Mile. She is a huge threat given she is a prominent runner whilst Roly Poly has to be strongly respected given her War Front breeding and love for firm ground. Much depends on the draw and whichever of the trio is drawn lowest will have a firm advantage.
The US trio of AP Indian, Songbird and Dortmund look the standouts in their respective division and at current prices, they could be worth including into a small treble.
On the Radar:
Washington DC (Breeders Cup Turf Sprint) 7/1
Intricately/Hydrangea (Breeders Cup Juvenile Turf) 9/2, 6/1
Can you please help me out if possible with any rating you can send me in regards to the contenders on BC days ??? Yours would be fine ... I will check racingpost.com as well ... Thank u bro !
Only can give ratings for 2 races:
- = Declining
+ = improving
Mile:
Limato 122 (Achieved over 6F)
Alice Springs 118
Tepin 116-
Dutch Connection 115+ (Fast ground scope still there)
Spectre 115
Miss Temple City 114+ (further exposure over a Mile)
Ironicus 114
Cougar Mountain 112
Hit It A Bomb 110
Tourist 110
If this race was run on a Straight mile, I've no doubts the Euros dominate. But over this tight track, with likely hold up rides could leave them vulnerable to traffic problems. My bet is Miss Temple City EW as I think she can improve on her base rating. Ryan Moore has the near rail draw but that could prove her undoing as she has normally been held up and a rail draw leaves her vulnerable to getting boxed in unless her jockey breaks fast and sit prominently.
Dutch Connection is interesting too as he loves very quick ground. He's a player in this for sure along with Spectre whose best form puts her in the picture.
Turf
Found 124 (achieved over 10F)
Highland Reel 120
Flintshire 119
Mondialiste 116 (Achieved over a mile)
Ectot 115
Ulysses 108
Found should take this on her best form. Even if I think she ran to 122 in the Arc (thought it way below average renewal), that should still be enough to win this. Flintshire in the past has run higher but cannot rate him higher then 119 on his body of work this season.
Quote Originally Posted by Upside:
Can you please help me out if possible with any rating you can send me in regards to the contenders on BC days ??? Yours would be fine ... I will check racingpost.com as well ... Thank u bro !
Only can give ratings for 2 races:
- = Declining
+ = improving
Mile:
Limato 122 (Achieved over 6F)
Alice Springs 118
Tepin 116-
Dutch Connection 115+ (Fast ground scope still there)
Spectre 115
Miss Temple City 114+ (further exposure over a Mile)
Ironicus 114
Cougar Mountain 112
Hit It A Bomb 110
Tourist 110
If this race was run on a Straight mile, I've no doubts the Euros dominate. But over this tight track, with likely hold up rides could leave them vulnerable to traffic problems. My bet is Miss Temple City EW as I think she can improve on her base rating. Ryan Moore has the near rail draw but that could prove her undoing as she has normally been held up and a rail draw leaves her vulnerable to getting boxed in unless her jockey breaks fast and sit prominently.
Dutch Connection is interesting too as he loves very quick ground. He's a player in this for sure along with Spectre whose best form puts her in the picture.
Turf
Found 124 (achieved over 10F)
Highland Reel 120
Flintshire 119
Mondialiste 116 (Achieved over a mile)
Ectot 115
Ulysses 108
Found should take this on her best form. Even if I think she ran to 122 in the Arc (thought it way below average renewal), that should still be enough to win this. Flintshire in the past has run higher but cannot rate him higher then 119 on his body of work this season.
EW thievery bit me in the arse there!
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