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    HutchEmAll
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2010 - 11:50 AM ET #1351

    Many of the CT's tout "Loose Change" as the premier film re. the questions they have about 9/11.  Here is the summary of errors in the 2nd edition of that film.  This is the type of person you are aligning your beliefs with people. 

    Summary of  “Loose Change Second Edition” Errors of Commission

     

     

    Errors of fact: 81

     

    Post hoc ergo prompter hoc fallacies: 92

     

    Assumptions and conjectures not supported by evidence: 92

     

    Photo & video images that do not support statements being made: 48

     

    Opinions expressed on technical subjects by non-experts: 22

     

    Anonymous sources: 19

     

    “Straw man” arguments: 10

     

    Overgeneralizations: 10

     

    Arguments to authority: 3

     

    Similes or metaphors taken as literal statements: 12

     

    Statements misleading because incomplete quotes used: 25

     

     

    Total flubs: 426

     

     

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    Many of the CT's tout "Loose Change" as the premier film re. the questions they have about 9/11.  Here is the summary of errors in the 2nd edition of that film.  This is the type of person you are aligning your beliefs with people. 

    Summary of  “Loose Change Second Edition” Errors of Commission

     

     

    Errors of fact: 81

     

    Post hoc ergo prompter hoc fallacies: 92

     

    Assumptions and conjectures not supported by evidence: 92

     

    Photo & video images that do not support statements being made: 48

     

    Opinions expressed on technical subjects by non-experts: 22

     

    Anonymous sources: 19

     

    “Straw man” arguments: 10

     

    Overgeneralizations: 10

     

    Arguments to authority: 3

     

    Similes or metaphors taken as literal statements: 12

     

    Statements misleading because incomplete quotes used: 25

     

     

    Total flubs: 426

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2010 - 12:00 PM ET #1352

    Quote Originally Posted by Skubishack:

    Journalist Dave Lindorff next weighed in by recounting a meeting he had with NTSB officials. After inquiring whether the FBI had secured these devices, he was asked, “Do you want the real answer, or the official answer?” An official then disclosed that all four boxes were in the FBI’s possession. Lindorff summarized the great trick played on us.

    No Serial numbers on boxes???

    https://www.infowars.com/911-aircraft-black-box-serial-numbers-mysteriously-absent/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skubishack:

    Journalist Dave Lindorff next weighed in by recounting a meeting he had with NTSB officials. After inquiring whether the FBI had secured these devices, he was asked, “Do you want the real answer, or the official answer?” An official then disclosed that all four boxes were in the FBI’s possession. Lindorff summarized the great trick played on us.

    No Serial numbers on boxes???

    https://www.infowars.com/911-aircraft-black-box-serial-numbers-mysteriously-absent/

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2010 - 12:35 PM ET #1353

    Site by Pilots for 9/11 truth.

    https://pilotsfor911truth.org/

    My personal opinion...

    All I would like is for the US Government with help from independent sources to conduct an indepth investigation and disclose ALL information with sworn testimony.

    I do not believe all the nutz or the official account and I feel that the US is obviously dragging it's feet in an attempt by many to uncover the truth.

    This matter which has literally changed our world should not be brushed off and whitewashed as is currently being done by the government.

    I remember Watergate... that got more attention for investigation from the government than 9/11 which is unbelieveable to me.

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    Site by Pilots for 9/11 truth.

    https://pilotsfor911truth.org/

    My personal opinion...

    All I would like is for the US Government with help from independent sources to conduct an indepth investigation and disclose ALL information with sworn testimony.

    I do not believe all the nutz or the official account and I feel that the US is obviously dragging it's feet in an attempt by many to uncover the truth.

    This matter which has literally changed our world should not be brushed off and whitewashed as is currently being done by the government.

    I remember Watergate... that got more attention for investigation from the government than 9/11 which is unbelieveable to me.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2010 - 12:55 PM ET #1354

    Good FREE videos from pilotsfor9/11truth

    https://vimeo.com/6185347

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    Good FREE videos from pilotsfor9/11truth

    https://vimeo.com/6185347

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2010 - 1:20 PM ET #1355

    Pilots for 9/11 truth

    You can hear what they have to say...IF you spend $15.95 to order the DVD's. 

    Making money off the "truth."

    You do realize that you nuts have the exact same beliefs as Jesse Ventura on this, don't you?

    I aint got time to bleed

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7E0HyyNpAs

     

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    Pilots for 9/11 truth

    You can hear what they have to say...IF you spend $15.95 to order the DVD's. 

    Making money off the "truth."

    You do realize that you nuts have the exact same beliefs as Jesse Ventura on this, don't you?

    I aint got time to bleed

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7E0HyyNpAs

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2010 - 1:53 PM ET #1356

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    Pilots for 9/11 truth

    You can hear what they have to say...IF you spend $15.95 to order the DVD's. 

    Making money off the "truth."

    You do realize that you nuts have the exact same beliefs as Jesse Ventura on this, don't you?

    I aint got time to bleed

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7E0HyyNpAs

     

    My personal opinion...

    All I would like is for the US Government with help from independent sources to conduct an indepth investigation and disclose ALL information with sworn testimony.

    I do not believe all the nutz or the official account and I feel that the US is obviously dragging it's feet in an attempt by many to uncover the truth.

    This matter which has literally changed our world should not be brushed off and whitewashed as is currently being done by the government.

    I remember Watergate... that got more attention for investigation from the government than 9/11 which is unbelieveable to me.

    DID YOU MISS THIS PART???

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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    Pilots for 9/11 truth

    You can hear what they have to say...IF you spend $15.95 to order the DVD's. 

    Making money off the "truth."

    You do realize that you nuts have the exact same beliefs as Jesse Ventura on this, don't you?

    I aint got time to bleed

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7E0HyyNpAs

     

    My personal opinion...

    All I would like is for the US Government with help from independent sources to conduct an indepth investigation and disclose ALL information with sworn testimony.

    I do not believe all the nutz or the official account and I feel that the US is obviously dragging it's feet in an attempt by many to uncover the truth.

    This matter which has literally changed our world should not be brushed off and whitewashed as is currently being done by the government.

    I remember Watergate... that got more attention for investigation from the government than 9/11 which is unbelieveable to me.

    DID YOU MISS THIS PART???

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2010 - 1:55 PM ET #1357

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    Pilots for 9/11 truth

    You can hear what they have to say...IF you spend $15.95 to order the DVD's. 

    Making money off the "truth."

    You do realize that you nuts have the exact same beliefs as Jesse Ventura on this, don't you?

    I aint got time to bleed

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7E0HyyNpAs

     

    As for pilots for 911truth...

    I have found much of it online for free... so maybe you should try a little harder...???

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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    Pilots for 9/11 truth

    You can hear what they have to say...IF you spend $15.95 to order the DVD's. 

    Making money off the "truth."

    You do realize that you nuts have the exact same beliefs as Jesse Ventura on this, don't you?

    I aint got time to bleed

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7E0HyyNpAs

     

    As for pilots for 911truth...

    I have found much of it online for free... so maybe you should try a little harder...???

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2010 - 1:59 PM ET #1358

    No ONE theory or person has disclosed the truth but if you read my personal opinion you would see that I am only seeking it as best I can with what is available. I have enough common sence to know what is fact and what is bullshit.

    If you stack the hard evidence the official account falls apart and the government is stonewalling any attempts to further the pursuit of hard evidence.

    Keep your head in the sand and don't worry. There are people trying to help even you regarding this matter by digging for the truth despite resistance from those trying to keep it covered up.

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    No ONE theory or person has disclosed the truth but if you read my personal opinion you would see that I am only seeking it as best I can with what is available. I have enough common sence to know what is fact and what is bullshit.

    If you stack the hard evidence the official account falls apart and the government is stonewalling any attempts to further the pursuit of hard evidence.

    Keep your head in the sand and don't worry. There are people trying to help even you regarding this matter by digging for the truth despite resistance from those trying to keep it covered up.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2010 - 3:38 PM ET #1359

    Is our government capable of pulling a fast one?  Sure.  Do they have secrets that would probably make us crap our pants if we knew about them?  Of course. 

    But there is just way too much overwhelming objective evidence that it generally happened like they say it did.  No explosives were used.....a plane did hit the pentagon, both WTC's, and crash in PA.  The attacks were carried out by the bad guys identified.

    That's what is important to me.

    Tell me what piece of "evidence" (I use that term loosely when talking to CT's as they usually aren't interested in evidence) do you have the BIGGEST problem with?

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    Is our government capable of pulling a fast one?  Sure.  Do they have secrets that would probably make us crap our pants if we knew about them?  Of course. 

    But there is just way too much overwhelming objective evidence that it generally happened like they say it did.  No explosives were used.....a plane did hit the pentagon, both WTC's, and crash in PA.  The attacks were carried out by the bad guys identified.

    That's what is important to me.

    Tell me what piece of "evidence" (I use that term loosely when talking to CT's as they usually aren't interested in evidence) do you have the BIGGEST problem with?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2010 - 3:49 PM ET #1360

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    Is our government capable of pulling a fast one?  Sure.  Do they have secrets that would probably make us crap our pants if we knew about them?  Of course. 

    But there is just way too much overwhelming objective evidence that it generally happened like they say it did.  No explosives were used.....a plane did hit the pentagon, both WTC's, and crash in PA.  The attacks were carried out by the bad guys identified.

    That's what is important to me.

    Tell me what piece of "evidence" (I use that term loosely when talking to CT's as they usually aren't interested in evidence) do you have the BIGGEST problem with?



    You talk badly about Jesse Ventura, but I think one day down the road your are going to realize it was all the career politicians (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, etc....) that were lying to you and not Jesse Ventura, the supposed conspiracy nutcase.

    This man has served in the military and understand terrorism and the state of affairs of these bogus wars far more than you or I. That is wrong to dismiss him like you have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    Is our government capable of pulling a fast one?  Sure.  Do they have secrets that would probably make us crap our pants if we knew about them?  Of course. 

    But there is just way too much overwhelming objective evidence that it generally happened like they say it did.  No explosives were used.....a plane did hit the pentagon, both WTC's, and crash in PA.  The attacks were carried out by the bad guys identified.

    That's what is important to me.

    Tell me what piece of "evidence" (I use that term loosely when talking to CT's as they usually aren't interested in evidence) do you have the BIGGEST problem with?



    You talk badly about Jesse Ventura, but I think one day down the road your are going to realize it was all the career politicians (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, etc....) that were lying to you and not Jesse Ventura, the supposed conspiracy nutcase.

    This man has served in the military and understand terrorism and the state of affairs of these bogus wars far more than you or I. That is wrong to dismiss him like you have.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2010 - 3:54 PM ET #1361

    This is how the leaders of the truth movement think:

    "Last night I went to the "9-11 Truth Alliance Meeting" and it was very successful.

    I also made good strives on getting the idea of doing a demonstrations @ Theaters over the Fight 93 movie coming out this month.  If we play our cards right, and come up with a good slogan, we may just get some air time on local news channels. [sic]

    Let’s bite these bastards where it hurts, and have this Fight 93 movie backfire on them."

    –"datars," Loose Change Forum Member

    Let's bite these bastards.....you mean the bastards who had their loved ones die on that day?

    That's disgusting.  I'd stick my pistol in this guy's face if I had lost a loved one and and I ran into him at this movie showing.

    These are your fearless leaders, conspiracy theorists.  Liars.  Gutless....heartless.

    Truth movement

    More like fuking asshole movement.

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    This is how the leaders of the truth movement think:

    "Last night I went to the "9-11 Truth Alliance Meeting" and it was very successful.

    I also made good strives on getting the idea of doing a demonstrations @ Theaters over the Fight 93 movie coming out this month.  If we play our cards right, and come up with a good slogan, we may just get some air time on local news channels. [sic]

    Let’s bite these bastards where it hurts, and have this Fight 93 movie backfire on them."

    –"datars," Loose Change Forum Member

    Let's bite these bastards.....you mean the bastards who had their loved ones die on that day?

    That's disgusting.  I'd stick my pistol in this guy's face if I had lost a loved one and and I ran into him at this movie showing.

    These are your fearless leaders, conspiracy theorists.  Liars.  Gutless....heartless.

    Truth movement

    More like fuking asshole movement.

     
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    You talk badly about Jesse Ventura, but I think one day down the road your are going to realize it was all the career politicians (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, etc....) that were lying to you and not Jesse Ventura, the supposed conspiracy nutcase.

    This man has served in the military and understand terrorism and the state of affairs of these bogus wars far more than you or I. That is wrong to dismiss him like you have.
    ____________

    Just cuz he served in the military makes him know that truth? 

    He was our governor for 4 years.  I think I know him a bit better then you.  He's a loony bird. 

    Once again, what is the one thing you have the biggest problem with re. 9/11....that doesn't make sense to you.

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    You talk badly about Jesse Ventura, but I think one day down the road your are going to realize it was all the career politicians (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, etc....) that were lying to you and not Jesse Ventura, the supposed conspiracy nutcase.

    This man has served in the military and understand terrorism and the state of affairs of these bogus wars far more than you or I. That is wrong to dismiss him like you have.
    ____________

    Just cuz he served in the military makes him know that truth? 

    He was our governor for 4 years.  I think I know him a bit better then you.  He's a loony bird. 

    Once again, what is the one thing you have the biggest problem with re. 9/11....that doesn't make sense to you.

     
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    This questions goes out to HutchEmAll

    I have spent nearly this entire thread answering every single one of your questions.  I think we both agree, I have answered them all.  Have I given you the answers that you're looking for?  No, I have not.  You don't like my answers, and I don't like yours.  That's fine with me, I'll simply agree to disagree, which is our right in this country.

    I do have 1 question for you though, since I've hardly asked you any so far in this thread.

    In this video, there are over 2 dozen witnesses that saw a Boeing 757 aircraft heading towards the Pentagon on 9/11/2001.  The problem with the previous sentence is that the plane they saw was not taking an approach that was consistent with the damage to the building itself, as well as the damage and debris field observed by the downed light poles.  

    My question is:  Do you believe the plane which was seen by Ed Paik, Terry Morin, Robert Turcious, Chad Brooks (Pentagon Employee), William Laggasse (Pentagon Employee), William Middleton, Darrell Stafford, Darious Prather, Donald Carter, Sean Boger, and Roosevelt Roberts was indeed Flight 77?

    Your answer must be yes or no.  Why must it be yes or no?  Because the FAA says there were no other flights in the vicinity of the Pentagon at the time of the alleged crash. 

    If your answer is yes, then how could a plane taking a Northern Approach (North of Citgo gas station, North of Columbia Pike, and directly over the Navy Annex building) could have possibly caused the highly specific damage to the Pentagon and debris field (i.e. downed light poles)?

    If you're answer is no, then what other plane could they have possibly seen, considering the FAA reports no others planes were in the area?

    I know you'll attempt to evade the question as much as possible.  Keep in mind I've answered every one of your questions thus far.  I would appreciate you watch the video, and also answer mine.

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    This questions goes out to HutchEmAll

    I have spent nearly this entire thread answering every single one of your questions.  I think we both agree, I have answered them all.  Have I given you the answers that you're looking for?  No, I have not.  You don't like my answers, and I don't like yours.  That's fine with me, I'll simply agree to disagree, which is our right in this country.

    I do have 1 question for you though, since I've hardly asked you any so far in this thread.

    In this video, there are over 2 dozen witnesses that saw a Boeing 757 aircraft heading towards the Pentagon on 9/11/2001.  The problem with the previous sentence is that the plane they saw was not taking an approach that was consistent with the damage to the building itself, as well as the damage and debris field observed by the downed light poles.  

    My question is:  Do you believe the plane which was seen by Ed Paik, Terry Morin, Robert Turcious, Chad Brooks (Pentagon Employee), William Laggasse (Pentagon Employee), William Middleton, Darrell Stafford, Darious Prather, Donald Carter, Sean Boger, and Roosevelt Roberts was indeed Flight 77?

    Your answer must be yes or no.  Why must it be yes or no?  Because the FAA says there were no other flights in the vicinity of the Pentagon at the time of the alleged crash. 

    If your answer is yes, then how could a plane taking a Northern Approach (North of Citgo gas station, North of Columbia Pike, and directly over the Navy Annex building) could have possibly caused the highly specific damage to the Pentagon and debris field (i.e. downed light poles)?

    If you're answer is no, then what other plane could they have possibly seen, considering the FAA reports no others planes were in the area?

    I know you'll attempt to evade the question as much as possible.  Keep in mind I've answered every one of your questions thus far.  I would appreciate you watch the video, and also answer mine.

    Thanks 
     
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    Did they find the black boxes of the planes? Its hard to doubt that a plane hit the pentagon. It is strange how long it took to produce an image of a plane hitting the pentagon. But if they found the black boxes then it is good enough for me.

    There are still way too many convenient explanations for the official story. And good'ole tower 7 just falling from fire. No sir.

     

    Can The Govt Get Their Story Straight? - Location Of Flight Data Recorder

    Lies, Conflicting Reports, Cover-Up's - Location of American 77 Flight Data Recorder - Part II

    OFFICIAL ACCOUNT OF  9/11 FLIGHT CONTRADICTED BY GOVERNMENT'S OWN DATA



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    Pilots for 9/11 truth You can hear what they have to say...IF you spend $15.95 to order the DVD's.


    Pandora's Black Box - Chapter Two, Flight Of American 77
    https://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=7751

    Flight Of United 93 Now On Google Video, Pandora's Black Box - Chapter Three
    https://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10228

    9/11: Attack On The Pentagon - Official Release, Full Film Now Available to the Public on Google
    https://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=15054

    9/11: The North Flight Path (official Release), Aerodynamically Possible - Witness Compatible
    https://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=15854

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    Did they find the black boxes of the planes? Its hard to doubt that a plane hit the pentagon. It is strange how long it took to produce an image of a plane hitting the pentagon. But if they found the black boxes then it is good enough for me.

    There are still way too many convenient explanations for the official story. And good'ole tower 7 just falling from fire. No sir.

     

    Can The Govt Get Their Story Straight? - Location Of Flight Data Recorder

    Lies, Conflicting Reports, Cover-Up's - Location of American 77 Flight Data Recorder - Part II

    OFFICIAL ACCOUNT OF  9/11 FLIGHT CONTRADICTED BY GOVERNMENT'S OWN DATA



    [quote]QUOTE Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
    Pilots for 9/11 truth You can hear what they have to say...IF you spend $15.95 to order the DVD's.


    Pandora's Black Box - Chapter Two, Flight Of American 77
    https://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=7751

    Flight Of United 93 Now On Google Video, Pandora's Black Box - Chapter Three
    https://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10228

    9/11: Attack On The Pentagon - Official Release, Full Film Now Available to the Public on Google
    https://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=15054

    9/11: The North Flight Path (official Release), Aerodynamically Possible - Witness Compatible
    https://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=15854

    Full Film - 9/11: World Trade Center Attack, Embedded and Streaming here!
    https://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=19732






     
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    History can and does repeat itself which leads me to say that this 9/11 tradgedy may someday be remembered as...

    REICHSTAG 911

    The Death Of Freedom In America

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    History can and does repeat itself which leads me to say that this 9/11 tradgedy may someday be remembered as...

    REICHSTAG 911

    The Death Of Freedom In America

     
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    Guys, when the skeptics here on the 9/11 "truth" movement ask for citations, linking them to other 9/11 truther sites isn't gonna cut it. Why? Because those sites are just are not trustworthy. They have a clear agenda and that's not to "search for the truth".


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    Guys, when the skeptics here on the 9/11 "truth" movement ask for citations, linking them to other 9/11 truther sites isn't gonna cut it. Why? Because those sites are just are not trustworthy. They have a clear agenda and that's not to "search for the truth".


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    Once again, what is the one thing you have the biggest problem with re. 9/11....that doesn't make sense to you.

    President Bush, in a townhall type setting, said... He was standing outside the classroom waiting to go inside and see the children when he saw on TV the FIRSTplane hit the towers and he thought to himself "what a terrible pilot... it must have been an accident" (This is on video...ANYWHERE)

    But NO ONE had video of the first plane hitting the towers.

    It was not until Bush was seated in the classroom when he was told by the secret service that plane # 2 hit the towers. Which was the official time that he was informed of the attacks.

    HOW IS THAT FOR YA...?

    You take the ball and run with it.

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    Once again, what is the one thing you have the biggest problem with re. 9/11....that doesn't make sense to you.

    President Bush, in a townhall type setting, said... He was standing outside the classroom waiting to go inside and see the children when he saw on TV the FIRSTplane hit the towers and he thought to himself "what a terrible pilot... it must have been an accident" (This is on video...ANYWHERE)

    But NO ONE had video of the first plane hitting the towers.

    It was not until Bush was seated in the classroom when he was told by the secret service that plane # 2 hit the towers. Which was the official time that he was informed of the attacks.

    HOW IS THAT FOR YA...?

    You take the ball and run with it.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skubishack:

    President Bush, in a townhall type setting, said... He was standing outside the classroom waiting to go inside and see the children when he saw on TV the FIRSTplane hit the towers and he thought to himself "what a terrible pilot... it must have been an accident" (This video of Bush...ANYWHERE)

    But NO ONE had video of the first plane hitting the towers.

    It was not until Bush was seated in the classroom when he was told by the secret service that plane # 2 hit the towers. Which was the official time that he was informed of the attacks.

    HOW IS THAT FOR YA...?

    You take the ball and run with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skubishack:

    President Bush, in a townhall type setting, said... He was standing outside the classroom waiting to go inside and see the children when he saw on TV the FIRSTplane hit the towers and he thought to himself "what a terrible pilot... it must have been an accident" (This video of Bush...ANYWHERE)

    But NO ONE had video of the first plane hitting the towers.

    It was not until Bush was seated in the classroom when he was told by the secret service that plane # 2 hit the towers. Which was the official time that he was informed of the attacks.

    HOW IS THAT FOR YA...?

    You take the ball and run with it.

     
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    "President Bush, in a townhall type setting, said... He was standing outside the classroom waiting to go inside and see the children when he saw on TV the FIRSTplane hit the towers and he thought to himself "what a terrible pilot... it must have been an accident" (This is on video...ANYWHERE)"

    Provide a link?
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    "President Bush, in a townhall type setting, said... He was standing outside the classroom waiting to go inside and see the children when he saw on TV the FIRSTplane hit the towers and he thought to himself "what a terrible pilot... it must have been an accident" (This is on video...ANYWHERE)"

    Provide a link?
     
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    Again,

    ass covering does not denote guilt...it denotes ass covering


    I hide shit from people all the time because I don't want to get blamed for someone else did.
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    Again,

    ass covering does not denote guilt...it denotes ass covering


    I hide shit from people all the time because I don't want to get blamed for someone else did.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skubishack:

    President Bush, in a townhall type setting, said... He was standing outside the classroom waiting to go inside and see the children when he saw on TV the FIRSTplane hit the towers and he thought to himself "what a terrible pilot... it must have been an accident" (This is on video...ANYWHERE)

    But NO ONE had video of the first plane hitting the towers.

    It was not until Bush was seated in the classroom when he was told by the secret service that plane # 2 hit the towers. Which was the official time that he was informed of the attacks.

    HOW IS THAT FOR YA...?

    You take the ball and run with it.



    Hmm... Not surprising at all that they would not let  him speak to the 9/11 commission. They wouldn't agree to it unless Cheney was able to accompany this ignoramus. Why be so guarded if this is truly a generic terrorist attack?
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    President Bush, in a townhall type setting, said... He was standing outside the classroom waiting to go inside and see the children when he saw on TV the FIRSTplane hit the towers and he thought to himself "what a terrible pilot... it must have been an accident" (This is on video...ANYWHERE)

    But NO ONE had video of the first plane hitting the towers.

    It was not until Bush was seated in the classroom when he was told by the secret service that plane # 2 hit the towers. Which was the official time that he was informed of the attacks.

    HOW IS THAT FOR YA...?

    You take the ball and run with it.



    Hmm... Not surprising at all that they would not let  him speak to the 9/11 commission. They wouldn't agree to it unless Cheney was able to accompany this ignoramus. Why be so guarded if this is truly a generic terrorist attack?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Guys, when the skeptics here on the 9/11 "truth" movement ask for citations, linking them to other 9/11 truther sites isn't gonna cut it. Why? Because those sites are just are not trustworthy. They have a clear agenda and that's not to "search for the truth".




    I could link you to NTSB.gov, but fo you have the epxertise to analyze the data?

    These are just some of the people who you call "Truthers".

    Captain Russ Wittenberg (ret)
    30,000+ Total Flight Time
    707, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777, DC-8, L-1049, Learjet 24/25, L-188
    Ground Instructor, Advanced Ground Instructor, Instrument Instructor, Flight Engineer Turbojet
    Aircraft Dispatcher
    Pan Am, United
    United States Air Force (ret)
    Over 100 Combat Missions Flown
    Command time in:
    - N591UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 93)
    - N612UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 175)

    UAL Ret.
    CEO, Aviation Experts LLC
    40 years and 30,000 hrs.
    BS Aero
    A&P Mech.
    B-777/767/757/747/737/727/720/707, DC-10/-9/-8 Type ratings
    Command time in:
    - N591UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 93)
    - N612UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 175)
    www.AviationExperts.com

    23,000 hours
    27 years in the airlines
    B757/767 for 13 years mostly international Captain with American Airlines.
    20 years US Navy flying fighters off aircraft carriers, TopGun twice
    civilian pilot flying gliders, light airplanes and warbirds
    Command time in:
    - N644AA (Aircraft dispatched as American 77)
    - N334AA (Aircraft dispatched as American 11)

    Son of Bill Lear
    (
    Founder, creator of the Lear Jet Corporation)
    More than 40 years of Flying
    19,000+ TT
    23 Type ratings
    Flight experience includes 707, DC-8, 727, L10-11

    -Over 20 years in the USAF
    --USAF Accident investigation Board President
    --Flew the F-111, T38, and F-15E
    --Combat experience in the F-15E includes Desert Storm and four tours of duty in Northern and Southern Watch
    --Weapons Requirements Officer, USAF HQ, Pentagon
    --Standard and Evaluations Flight Examiner, Command level
    -Currently Captain for JetBlue Airways

    3,500+ Hours Total Flight Time
    F-15E/C, F-111A/D/E/F/EF, F-16, F-18, B-1, Mig-29, SU-22, T-37/38, Various Cvilian Prop
    Combat Time: Operation Northern Watch
    USAF Fighter Weapons School Instructor
    NATO Tactical Leadership Program Instructor/Mission Coordinator
    USAF Material Command Weapons Development Test Pilot
    Combat Support Coordination Team 2 Airpower Coordinator, South Korea
    All Service Combat Identification Evaluation Team Operations Officer
    Boeing F-22 Pilot Instructor
    MS Aeronautical Studies, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University

    MS Physics, MS Eng
    Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center
    Served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden
    Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award
    Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988)
    Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics
    Associate Fellow - American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA)
    Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000
    Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems
    - Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers
    Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology
    37 year NASA career

    United States Marine Corps (ret)
    A-4 Skyhawk, KC-130 (10,000+ Hours)
    S-2, T-1, F9F, F-11, OV-10, T-2J
    303 Combat Missions

    23,000+ hours
    CV580,DC9,MD80,B727,A320,DC10
    NCA,REP,NWA
    A4,F4,F16 USN,USMC, ND ANG
    www.captainsherlock.com
    Forced to retire due 9/11 exposure
    www.hawkscafe.com

    B737-800/400 Captain
    Qantas Airways
    Australia
    Experience: 18,000 flight hours

    ATP 20,000+ hours
    Typed in CE-500, DHC-7, EMB-110, BA-3100
    Aircraft flown include Boeing 727,737, Douglas DC-9, MD-80
    United Air Lines, American International Airlines, Air Pacific Airlines, West Air Airlines
    6-7 years corporate flying in Cessna Citations
    Factory demo pilot for Cessna Citations

    Naval Aviator - Retired Commander, USNR
    A/C experience - Grumman E-1 and E-2 ( Approx, 3800 hours )
    Pan American World Airways - Retired Dec. 1991 ( that's when PanAM went bankrupt )
    Flight Engineer/First Officer -- Boeing 707 & Boeing 727 ( approx. 7500 hours )

    President of the Institute for Space and Security Studies
    Executive Vice President of Millennium III Corporation
    retired Presiding Archbishop of the United Catholic Church
    101 combat missions in Vietnam
    directed all the “Star Wars” programs under Presidents Ford and Carter
    recipient of the Eisenhower Medal
    George F. Kennan Peace Prize
    President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace
    Society of Military Engineers' ROTC Award of Merit (twice)
    Six Air Medals
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    independent candidate for President of the US in 2000
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    Guys, when the skeptics here on the 9/11 "truth" movement ask for citations, linking them to other 9/11 truther sites isn't gonna cut it. Why? Because those sites are just are not trustworthy. They have a clear agenda and that's not to "search for the truth".




    I could link you to NTSB.gov, but fo you have the epxertise to analyze the data?

    These are just some of the people who you call "Truthers".

    Captain Russ Wittenberg (ret)
    30,000+ Total Flight Time
    707, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777, DC-8, L-1049, Learjet 24/25, L-188
    Ground Instructor, Advanced Ground Instructor, Instrument Instructor, Flight Engineer Turbojet
    Aircraft Dispatcher
    Pan Am, United
    United States Air Force (ret)
    Over 100 Combat Missions Flown
    Command time in:
    - N591UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 93)
    - N612UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 175)

    UAL Ret.
    CEO, Aviation Experts LLC
    40 years and 30,000 hrs.
    BS Aero
    A&P Mech.
    B-777/767/757/747/737/727/720/707, DC-10/-9/-8 Type ratings
    Command time in:
    - N591UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 93)
    - N612UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 175)
    www.AviationExperts.com

    23,000 hours
    27 years in the airlines
    B757/767 for 13 years mostly international Captain with American Airlines.
    20 years US Navy flying fighters off aircraft carriers, TopGun twice
    civilian pilot flying gliders, light airplanes and warbirds
    Command time in:
    - N644AA (Aircraft dispatched as American 77)
    - N334AA (Aircraft dispatched as American 11)

    Son of Bill Lear
    (
    Founder, creator of the Lear Jet Corporation)
    More than 40 years of Flying
    19,000+ TT
    23 Type ratings
    Flight experience includes 707, DC-8, 727, L10-11

    -Over 20 years in the USAF
    --USAF Accident investigation Board President
    --Flew the F-111, T38, and F-15E
    --Combat experience in the F-15E includes Desert Storm and four tours of duty in Northern and Southern Watch
    --Weapons Requirements Officer, USAF HQ, Pentagon
    --Standard and Evaluations Flight Examiner, Command level
    -Currently Captain for JetBlue Airways

    3,500+ Hours Total Flight Time
    F-15E/C, F-111A/D/E/F/EF, F-16, F-18, B-1, Mig-29, SU-22, T-37/38, Various Cvilian Prop
    Combat Time: Operation Northern Watch
    USAF Fighter Weapons School Instructor
    NATO Tactical Leadership Program Instructor/Mission Coordinator
    USAF Material Command Weapons Development Test Pilot
    Combat Support Coordination Team 2 Airpower Coordinator, South Korea
    All Service Combat Identification Evaluation Team Operations Officer
    Boeing F-22 Pilot Instructor
    MS Aeronautical Studies, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University

    MS Physics, MS Eng
    Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center
    Served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden
    Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award
    Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988)
    Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics
    Associate Fellow - American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA)
    Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000
    Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems
    - Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers
    Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology
    37 year NASA career

    United States Marine Corps (ret)
    A-4 Skyhawk, KC-130 (10,000+ Hours)
    S-2, T-1, F9F, F-11, OV-10, T-2J
    303 Combat Missions

    23,000+ hours
    CV580,DC9,MD80,B727,A320,DC10
    NCA,REP,NWA
    A4,F4,F16 USN,USMC, ND ANG
    www.captainsherlock.com
    Forced to retire due 9/11 exposure
    www.hawkscafe.com

    B737-800/400 Captain
    Qantas Airways
    Australia
    Experience: 18,000 flight hours

    ATP 20,000+ hours
    Typed in CE-500, DHC-7, EMB-110, BA-3100
    Aircraft flown include Boeing 727,737, Douglas DC-9, MD-80
    United Air Lines, American International Airlines, Air Pacific Airlines, West Air Airlines
    6-7 years corporate flying in Cessna Citations
    Factory demo pilot for Cessna Citations

    Naval Aviator - Retired Commander, USNR
    A/C experience - Grumman E-1 and E-2 ( Approx, 3800 hours )
    Pan American World Airways - Retired Dec. 1991 ( that's when PanAM went bankrupt )
    Flight Engineer/First Officer -- Boeing 707 & Boeing 727 ( approx. 7500 hours )

    President of the Institute for Space and Security Studies
    Executive Vice President of Millennium III Corporation
    retired Presiding Archbishop of the United Catholic Church
    101 combat missions in Vietnam
    directed all the “Star Wars” programs under Presidents Ford and Carter
    recipient of the Eisenhower Medal
    George F. Kennan Peace Prize
    President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace
    Society of Military Engineers' ROTC Award of Merit (twice)
    Six Air Medals
    Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech
    chaired 8 major international conferences
    one of the country’s foremost experts on National Security
    independent candidate for President of the US in 2000
    https://thepatriots.us

    friend and fellow aviator of John Ogonowski - Capt. AA #11
    ATP: L-300, B-737, DC-10, DC-8, FE, TT=approx. 11,000 hours
    USAF-C141-IP, Eastern Metro, Braniff, Ryan International, Emery
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