Whoever that guy is, he used a "photoshop" type program (I think he called it iMovie) to edit the actual collapse of Tower 7 to his liking, and then tried to make claims based on his edited video
That is Pseudoscience at it's best!
I'm still waiting.
Pseudoscience is what the entire 9/11 conspiracy is based upon!!!
That video was not edited, the author clearly stated he used the imovie program so you can scroll from frame to frame with continuos motion. The author gave scientific proof as to how and why the building collapsed. When you couple that with my previous posted video of the engineer who actually designed the building explaining how and why it collapsed, I'm not sure why there is even any debate on this.
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Quote Originally Posted by smdio:
Your video clipped is FILLED with Pseudoscience
Whoever that guy is, he used a "photoshop" type program (I think he called it iMovie) to edit the actual collapse of Tower 7 to his liking, and then tried to make claims based on his edited video
That is Pseudoscience at it's best!
I'm still waiting.
Pseudoscience is what the entire 9/11 conspiracy is based upon!!!
That video was not edited, the author clearly stated he used the imovie program so you can scroll from frame to frame with continuos motion. The author gave scientific proof as to how and why the building collapsed. When you couple that with my previous posted video of the engineer who actually designed the building explaining how and why it collapsed, I'm not sure why there is even any debate on this.
To think the hundreds and hundreds of people it would take to pull off the greatest con job in the history of man, yet not one single person has come forward saying they were part of the plot?
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To think the hundreds and hundreds of people it would take to pull off the greatest con job in the history of man, yet not one single person has come forward saying they were part of the plot?
I don't agree at all. Physics, science, and basic reasoning have been used to create a philosophical arguement that there was a rather huge difference between what the media and U.S. government has told us, and what was actually tested and proven.
Pseudoscience has been trying to "debunk" the actual scientific claims ever since they've surfaced, and has yet to convince anyone but the naive that the towers were taken down according to a planned demolition.
Were the North and South Tower taken down with explosives? Quite probably.
Was WTC #7 taken down with explosives? Definitely.
If they took down Tower #7 with explosives, does it not make sense that the whole day was planned? Of course it does.
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I don't agree at all. Physics, science, and basic reasoning have been used to create a philosophical arguement that there was a rather huge difference between what the media and U.S. government has told us, and what was actually tested and proven.
Pseudoscience has been trying to "debunk" the actual scientific claims ever since they've surfaced, and has yet to convince anyone but the naive that the towers were taken down according to a planned demolition.
Were the North and South Tower taken down with explosives? Quite probably.
Was WTC #7 taken down with explosives? Definitely.
If they took down Tower #7 with explosives, does it not make sense that the whole day was planned? Of course it does.
To think the hundreds and hundreds of people it would take to pull off the greatest con job in the history of man, yet not one single person has come forward saying they were part of the plot?
Hundreds? My friend, the Bilderberg Group alone contains thousands of members from around the world, and these are the types of people that have an impeccable control over almost everyone that's around them.
The extent of this coverup could range in the 10's of thousands, let alone hundreds.
No one will come forward, EVER. Those that know the fine details are way too well connected to risk their place amongst the worlds elite. And those "middle men" and lower "pawns" don't know enough to make any actual claims for conspiracy
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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:
To think the hundreds and hundreds of people it would take to pull off the greatest con job in the history of man, yet not one single person has come forward saying they were part of the plot?
Hundreds? My friend, the Bilderberg Group alone contains thousands of members from around the world, and these are the types of people that have an impeccable control over almost everyone that's around them.
The extent of this coverup could range in the 10's of thousands, let alone hundreds.
No one will come forward, EVER. Those that know the fine details are way too well connected to risk their place amongst the worlds elite. And those "middle men" and lower "pawns" don't know enough to make any actual claims for conspiracy
When a person wants to believe something, they will find fault in any evidence to the contrary, and blindly follow that which supports their belief. This goes for both sides of the debate
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smdio, as i stated earlier ...
When a person wants to believe something, they will find fault in any evidence to the contrary, and blindly follow that which supports their belief. This goes for both sides of the debate
When a person wants to believe something, they will find fault in any evidence to the contrary, and blindly follow that which supports their belief. This goes for both sides of the debate
Hugh, I actually agree with you 100%
But here's the difference with me:
I lost my dad. He was a really good man. He worked everyday because he loved me and my mother very deeply. His place of work was the World Trade Center. He traveled over 50 miles every day to be there. He hadn't missed a day of work in over 10 years, because he needed to work in order to support our family, and give us the lifestyle we'd become accustom to.
After September 11th, my mother has suffered from severe depression. She is no longer the same person. She cannot work. She does not eat properly. When I see her, I always either see blood shot eyes from recently crying, or actual tears because I remind her of my dad.
What happened on September 11th, to me, does not make sense. I've been brought up to believe that if something does not make sense, it simply isn't true. I cannot get answers from people in the government about my fathers death. Instead, they treat me like I'm annoying and bothering them.
If I were just another conspiracy theorist that believed in things like "we never landed on the moon" and "the world will end in 2012", then I can understand your dismissal of me as saying what I quoted above. But I'm not that guy. I'm a 28 year old kid who has been lied to by the people who I believe are responsible for my fathers murder. And I'm really determined to get the answers I'm looking for.
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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:
smdio, as i stated earlier ...
When a person wants to believe something, they will find fault in any evidence to the contrary, and blindly follow that which supports their belief. This goes for both sides of the debate
Hugh, I actually agree with you 100%
But here's the difference with me:
I lost my dad. He was a really good man. He worked everyday because he loved me and my mother very deeply. His place of work was the World Trade Center. He traveled over 50 miles every day to be there. He hadn't missed a day of work in over 10 years, because he needed to work in order to support our family, and give us the lifestyle we'd become accustom to.
After September 11th, my mother has suffered from severe depression. She is no longer the same person. She cannot work. She does not eat properly. When I see her, I always either see blood shot eyes from recently crying, or actual tears because I remind her of my dad.
What happened on September 11th, to me, does not make sense. I've been brought up to believe that if something does not make sense, it simply isn't true. I cannot get answers from people in the government about my fathers death. Instead, they treat me like I'm annoying and bothering them.
If I were just another conspiracy theorist that believed in things like "we never landed on the moon" and "the world will end in 2012", then I can understand your dismissal of me as saying what I quoted above. But I'm not that guy. I'm a 28 year old kid who has been lied to by the people who I believe are responsible for my fathers murder. And I'm really determined to get the answers I'm looking for.
Right after I hit "submit" for the original post, I realized that I hadn't included where Flight 93 actually went.
Flight 93 landed in Cleveland at roughly 11:15 AM. At approximately 10:45 AM, all people inside the terminal and waiting areas of the airport were told they had to evacuate immediately. They were told they could not drive or take any of their vehicles. They were forced to WALK away from the airport, and not ask any questions.
Some people refused and tried to get back to gather their personal belongings. These people were told that if they did not comply and tried to gain access back to the airport, they would be shot on site.
At 11:15 AM, Flight 93 landed. At 11:45, it was evacuated and the passengers were taken to an inactive NASA hanger. What happened from there? It's anyone's guess. I highly doubt the government would have killed those passengers, but I absolutely believe that if they are capable of staging such attacks as the ones on the WTC, they are more than capable of sitting down 200 people, and giving them an ultimatum:
"You will not contact your famlies ever again. We will give you new lives with unlimited access to whatever you desire. We will place you in a very undisclosed location and give you new identities. We will watch every move you make and monitor every minute of your daily lives. Should you contact your family or speak of this to anyone, we will kill both them, and you."
Would you agree? I don't think you would have a choice..
I hear ya... I feel for ya... I agree a lot of things do not add up but that is likely because we do not have all the information and probably never will (like the Kennedy, JFK and Robert assissinations). However, the above is just plain rediculous. If the US Government was going to mastermind this attack they would have just crashed the plan and killed the passengers like nearly everyone believes had already occured. Why the stage? It is unnecessary. Unlimited funds and monitor for life... ahhh just kill them and not worry about it.
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Quote Originally Posted by smdio:
I was hoping for this question.
Right after I hit "submit" for the original post, I realized that I hadn't included where Flight 93 actually went.
Flight 93 landed in Cleveland at roughly 11:15 AM. At approximately 10:45 AM, all people inside the terminal and waiting areas of the airport were told they had to evacuate immediately. They were told they could not drive or take any of their vehicles. They were forced to WALK away from the airport, and not ask any questions.
Some people refused and tried to get back to gather their personal belongings. These people were told that if they did not comply and tried to gain access back to the airport, they would be shot on site.
At 11:15 AM, Flight 93 landed. At 11:45, it was evacuated and the passengers were taken to an inactive NASA hanger. What happened from there? It's anyone's guess. I highly doubt the government would have killed those passengers, but I absolutely believe that if they are capable of staging such attacks as the ones on the WTC, they are more than capable of sitting down 200 people, and giving them an ultimatum:
"You will not contact your famlies ever again. We will give you new lives with unlimited access to whatever you desire. We will place you in a very undisclosed location and give you new identities. We will watch every move you make and monitor every minute of your daily lives. Should you contact your family or speak of this to anyone, we will kill both them, and you."
Would you agree? I don't think you would have a choice..
I hear ya... I feel for ya... I agree a lot of things do not add up but that is likely because we do not have all the information and probably never will (like the Kennedy, JFK and Robert assissinations). However, the above is just plain rediculous. If the US Government was going to mastermind this attack they would have just crashed the plan and killed the passengers like nearly everyone believes had already occured. Why the stage? It is unnecessary. Unlimited funds and monitor for life... ahhh just kill them and not worry about it.
smdio, I started a thread a couple months ago about 9/11 being an inside job. I absolutely agree with you on most points. There is so much uncertainty, and things not accounted for. We, the American public, will never be told all of the truth regarding that tragic day. I do believe that there are people pulling the strings behind the scenes and in the media. But that is exactly why we will never know what really happened. I am sorry that you lost you father that day, and wish you all the best in your search for answers.
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smdio, I started a thread a couple months ago about 9/11 being an inside job. I absolutely agree with you on most points. There is so much uncertainty, and things not accounted for. We, the American public, will never be told all of the truth regarding that tragic day. I do believe that there are people pulling the strings behind the scenes and in the media. But that is exactly why we will never know what really happened. I am sorry that you lost you father that day, and wish you all the best in your search for answers.
I lost my dad. He was a really good man. He worked everyday because he loved me and my mother very deeply. His place of work was the World Trade Center. He traveled over 50 miles every day to be there. He hadn't missed a day of work in over 10 years, because he needed to work in order to support our family, and give us the lifestyle we'd become accustom to.
After September 11th, my mother has suffered from severe depression. She is no longer the same person. She cannot work. She does not eat properly. When I see her, I always either see blood shot eyes from recently crying, or actual tears because I remind her of my dad.
What happened on September 11th, to me, does not make sense. I've been brought up to believe that if something does not make sense, it simply isn't true. I cannot get answers from people in the government about my fathers death. Instead, they treat me like I'm annoying and bothering them.
If I were just another conspiracy theorist that believed in things like "we never landed on the moon" and "the world will end in 2012", then I can understand your dismissal of me as saying what I quoted above. But I'm not that guy. I'm a 28 year old kid who has been lied to by the people who I believe are responsible for my fathers murder. And I'm really determined to get the answers I'm looking for.
[/Quote Goodluck with your situation.I do understand your reasons and hope if anything you can one day put this behind you.
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[Quote: Originally Posted by smdio]
Hugh, I actually agree with you 100%
But here's the difference with me:
I lost my dad. He was a really good man. He worked everyday because he loved me and my mother very deeply. His place of work was the World Trade Center. He traveled over 50 miles every day to be there. He hadn't missed a day of work in over 10 years, because he needed to work in order to support our family, and give us the lifestyle we'd become accustom to.
After September 11th, my mother has suffered from severe depression. She is no longer the same person. She cannot work. She does not eat properly. When I see her, I always either see blood shot eyes from recently crying, or actual tears because I remind her of my dad.
What happened on September 11th, to me, does not make sense. I've been brought up to believe that if something does not make sense, it simply isn't true. I cannot get answers from people in the government about my fathers death. Instead, they treat me like I'm annoying and bothering them.
If I were just another conspiracy theorist that believed in things like "we never landed on the moon" and "the world will end in 2012", then I can understand your dismissal of me as saying what I quoted above. But I'm not that guy. I'm a 28 year old kid who has been lied to by the people who I believe are responsible for my fathers murder. And I'm really determined to get the answers I'm looking for.
[/Quote Goodluck with your situation.I do understand your reasons and hope if anything you can one day put this behind you.
Why rehash something that you will not get to the bottom of. Obviously there was some Tom Foolery going on here and the answer to your questions lie with China and the recalling of the debt.
Be smart people...be smart.
COVERS allows u to tell someone they are sexually frustrated so long as ur hands are clean
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Why rehash something that you will not get to the bottom of. Obviously there was some Tom Foolery going on here and the answer to your questions lie with China and the recalling of the debt.
smdio, I feel for you. I personally take no stance on this issue, simply because I don't know what to believe. I don't think anyone can firmly say they know the truth. As for my 2 cents...
your reasoning behind why we would do this is severly flawed...I've read up on the Bilderberg Group in the past and I'm not sayin its not possible, but none of what anyone is saying is backed by any facts. All information on the Bilderberg meetings and the group as a whole is PURE SPECULATION, not fact. So don't bite too deep into that just yet.
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smdio, I feel for you. I personally take no stance on this issue, simply because I don't know what to believe. I don't think anyone can firmly say they know the truth. As for my 2 cents...
your reasoning behind why we would do this is severly flawed...I've read up on the Bilderberg Group in the past and I'm not sayin its not possible, but none of what anyone is saying is backed by any facts. All information on the Bilderberg meetings and the group as a whole is PURE SPECULATION, not fact. So don't bite too deep into that just yet.
You ppl are MORONS !!!!! I was on the turnpike bridge and watch the 2 plane hit . PPL that think it was setup by Bush should just pack their bags and go live in Iran or somewhere .
Priceless.
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Quote Originally Posted by jerseykingpin:
You ppl are MORONS !!!!! I was on the turnpike bridge and watch the 2 plane hit . PPL that think it was setup by Bush should just pack their bags and go live in Iran or somewhere .
smdio ... I truly empathize with your families feelings .
I am a born and raised NYer (since moved to Ct) and on 9/11 I maintained an office at 17 State St in NYC. It is a couple blocks south of the WTC. I was downtown on 9/11. The events of that day, the views, the smells, the sounds, the sinking feeling of helpless doom is all still etched deep into my being. It took me a couple of years to emotionally recover.
By that night I had my own opinions as to who was responsible, and have kept those opinions unchanged ever since. I suppose an argument could be made that I hold onto my beliefs for my own sanity ... but once someone has drawn a conclusion on this, there is a myriad of evidence to support it, regardless of what one may choose to believe or their reasons for believing it.
I will say this ... no matter what event happens in this world, there is a certain % of the population that will scream conspiracy, and be hell bent on proving it. 9/11 brought out all of the aforementioned nut jobs, which is unfortunate, because they pollute the way to intelligent debate.
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smdio ... I truly empathize with your families feelings .
I am a born and raised NYer (since moved to Ct) and on 9/11 I maintained an office at 17 State St in NYC. It is a couple blocks south of the WTC. I was downtown on 9/11. The events of that day, the views, the smells, the sounds, the sinking feeling of helpless doom is all still etched deep into my being. It took me a couple of years to emotionally recover.
By that night I had my own opinions as to who was responsible, and have kept those opinions unchanged ever since. I suppose an argument could be made that I hold onto my beliefs for my own sanity ... but once someone has drawn a conclusion on this, there is a myriad of evidence to support it, regardless of what one may choose to believe or their reasons for believing it.
I will say this ... no matter what event happens in this world, there is a certain % of the population that will scream conspiracy, and be hell bent on proving it. 9/11 brought out all of the aforementioned nut jobs, which is unfortunate, because they pollute the way to intelligent debate.
i myself worked in tower 2 between october 2000 and march 2001, not once did i see any dogs. i worked on floors 38,39,40 and i found the security in both buildings to be very lax. a card to unlock the turnstyle to the elevator banks is not really security. anyone could easily swipe somebodies card. i spent alot of time in the basement as well receiving deliveries. once again i never seen a bomb sniffing dog or any other kind of security in or around those floors. also the building had the most fire insulation on the beams that i have ever seen.. over 18inches thick in most areas. i know this doesnt mean much but those were my observations. i have no doubt that planes hit these buildings and they collapsed under extreme heat and weight. the floors were precast slabs held up by angle iron on the edges.
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i myself worked in tower 2 between october 2000 and march 2001, not once did i see any dogs. i worked on floors 38,39,40 and i found the security in both buildings to be very lax. a card to unlock the turnstyle to the elevator banks is not really security. anyone could easily swipe somebodies card. i spent alot of time in the basement as well receiving deliveries. once again i never seen a bomb sniffing dog or any other kind of security in or around those floors. also the building had the most fire insulation on the beams that i have ever seen.. over 18inches thick in most areas. i know this doesnt mean much but those were my observations. i have no doubt that planes hit these buildings and they collapsed under extreme heat and weight. the floors were precast slabs held up by angle iron on the edges.
i myself worked in tower 2 between october 2000 and march 2001, not once did i see any dogs. i worked on floors 38,39,40 and i found the security in both buildings to be very lax. a card to unlock the turnstyle to the elevator banks is not really security. anyone could easily swipe somebodies card. i spent alot of time in the basement as well receiving deliveries. once again i never seen a bomb sniffing dog or any other kind of security in or around those floors. also the building had the most fire insulation on the beams that i have ever seen.. over 18inches thick in most areas. i know this doesnt mean much but those were my observations. i have no doubt that planes hit these buildings and they collapsed under extreme heat and weight. the floors were precast slabs held up by angle iron on the edges.
On the dogs, I remember the conversation with my father like it happened yesterday.
He said they regularly patroled the building before all/most workers got there. There were roughly a dozen total. They would only be there for about an hour at most, sometimes much less. Every floor did not have to be patroled, only certain floors. I'm not sure of the reason for this, but it probably had something to do with the range of which the dogs can sniff. Not sure.
The dogs would come in every single day, very early and sometimes before sun rise. My father would get there around the same time, because he lived 50 miles away and was obsessive compulsive about being early. He insisted that those dogs not being there made him very hesitant about going to work, and that is what made the conversation stick in my brain this long. My father hesitant about going to work? That simply couldn't be possible. Yet he said it, and I felt he meant it too.
Maybe you just didnt see them, maybe you don't remember or it wasn't important at the time. But I can't see a reason my father would make something like that up
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Quote Originally Posted by dillon24:
i myself worked in tower 2 between october 2000 and march 2001, not once did i see any dogs. i worked on floors 38,39,40 and i found the security in both buildings to be very lax. a card to unlock the turnstyle to the elevator banks is not really security. anyone could easily swipe somebodies card. i spent alot of time in the basement as well receiving deliveries. once again i never seen a bomb sniffing dog or any other kind of security in or around those floors. also the building had the most fire insulation on the beams that i have ever seen.. over 18inches thick in most areas. i know this doesnt mean much but those were my observations. i have no doubt that planes hit these buildings and they collapsed under extreme heat and weight. the floors were precast slabs held up by angle iron on the edges.
On the dogs, I remember the conversation with my father like it happened yesterday.
He said they regularly patroled the building before all/most workers got there. There were roughly a dozen total. They would only be there for about an hour at most, sometimes much less. Every floor did not have to be patroled, only certain floors. I'm not sure of the reason for this, but it probably had something to do with the range of which the dogs can sniff. Not sure.
The dogs would come in every single day, very early and sometimes before sun rise. My father would get there around the same time, because he lived 50 miles away and was obsessive compulsive about being early. He insisted that those dogs not being there made him very hesitant about going to work, and that is what made the conversation stick in my brain this long. My father hesitant about going to work? That simply couldn't be possible. Yet he said it, and I felt he meant it too.
Maybe you just didnt see them, maybe you don't remember or it wasn't important at the time. But I can't see a reason my father would make something like that up
i myself worked in tower 2 between october 2000 and march 2001, not once did i see any dogs. i worked on floors 38,39,40 and i found the security in both buildings to be very lax. a card to unlock the turnstyle to the elevator banks is not really security. anyone could easily swipe somebodies card. i spent alot of time in the basement as well receiving deliveries. once again i never seen a bomb sniffing dog or any other kind of security in or around those floors. also the building had the most fire insulation on the beams that i have ever seen.. over 18inches thick in most areas. i know this doesnt mean much but those were my observations. i have no doubt that planes hit these buildings and they collapsed under extreme heat and weight. the floors were precast slabs held up by angle iron on the edges.
I bet the only time you seen the Twins was on tv . because if you work there in 2000/2001 the security was tight and they had dogs there 24/7 and to get in to the parking garage you had to have your car/truck searched by the DOGS and the SECURITY since the first bombing or the cops with submachine guns at the doors!!!!!
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Quote Originally Posted by dillon24:
i myself worked in tower 2 between october 2000 and march 2001, not once did i see any dogs. i worked on floors 38,39,40 and i found the security in both buildings to be very lax. a card to unlock the turnstyle to the elevator banks is not really security. anyone could easily swipe somebodies card. i spent alot of time in the basement as well receiving deliveries. once again i never seen a bomb sniffing dog or any other kind of security in or around those floors. also the building had the most fire insulation on the beams that i have ever seen.. over 18inches thick in most areas. i know this doesnt mean much but those were my observations. i have no doubt that planes hit these buildings and they collapsed under extreme heat and weight. the floors were precast slabs held up by angle iron on the edges.
I bet the only time you seen the Twins was on tv . because if you work there in 2000/2001 the security was tight and they had dogs there 24/7 and to get in to the parking garage you had to have your car/truck searched by the DOGS and the SECURITY since the first bombing or the cops with submachine guns at the doors!!!!!
I bet the only time you seen the Twins was on tv . because if you work there in 2000/2001 the security was tight and they had dogs there 24/7 and to get in to the parking garage you had to have your car/truck searched by the DOGS and the SECURITY since the first bombing or the cops with submachine guns at the doors!!!!!
Was this sarcastic, or was security really that tight?
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Quote Originally Posted by jerseykingpin:
I bet the only time you seen the Twins was on tv . because if you work there in 2000/2001 the security was tight and they had dogs there 24/7 and to get in to the parking garage you had to have your car/truck searched by the DOGS and the SECURITY since the first bombing or the cops with submachine guns at the doors!!!!!
Was this sarcastic, or was security really that tight?
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