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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2010 - 7:49 PM ET #126

    Im not out to make anybody believe me about Flight 93, but I will tell you that there will be alot of declassified information released at some point in our lifetime.   I will not release my source but I will say say this.  Look at what we do know.   Little debris from a plane, witnesses seeing a flying ball of fire, jets in the area..

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    Im not out to make anybody believe me about Flight 93, but I will tell you that there will be alot of declassified information released at some point in our lifetime.   I will not release my source but I will say say this.  Look at what we do know.   Little debris from a plane, witnesses seeing a flying ball of fire, jets in the area..

     
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2010 - 8:03 PM ET #127

    Quote Originally Posted by Crowkillers:

    If Flight 93 landed safely, then what was it that crashed near Somerset, Pa? Many people that were interviewed all had the same story of a large jet on fire crashing.

    A cruise missile was fired harmlessly into the ground

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowkillers:

    If Flight 93 landed safely, then what was it that crashed near Somerset, Pa? Many people that were interviewed all had the same story of a large jet on fire crashing.

    A cruise missile was fired harmlessly into the ground

     
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2010 - 8:07 PM ET #128

    Quote Originally Posted by G82YR:

    Everyone has there own opinions and theories including myself.Its just fkn mind boggling what is out there and what some people think the government could of done myself being one of them. Some things are clear as day and some are not.Obviously planes hit the twin towers.And I agree with you smdio with the shanksville hole in the ground.But the most noticeable thing is that the pentagon was not hit by a plane. If it was,where is the planes wingspan and the damage to the left and right of the gapping hole in the pentagon.It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see it was some sort of missile.Its clear as day. Like the supposed PA crash where are the remnants of the people, luggage or the actually fkn plane and Why would they pull the tapes on the videos surrounding one of the most secured areas in the US. O wait it must of been to devastating to watch.It just doesnt make sense.I dont know how they could of pulled off the cell phone calls or having those planes land and say they didnt if that was the case. Where did all those people go?                      The other thing that bothers the shit out of me is that the US had no problem going in and plucking Saddam from a fkn mole hole, but the supposed mastermind behind 9-11 is still out there after 10 years? We can bang our heads against the wall till we die and probably never find out the truth.

    I didn't mention the pentagon in the original post because I thought I was already giving too much information, and I didn't want to get people too confused.

    But yes, the pentagon is also a very VERY tricky situation. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by G82YR:

    Everyone has there own opinions and theories including myself.Its just fkn mind boggling what is out there and what some people think the government could of done myself being one of them. Some things are clear as day and some are not.Obviously planes hit the twin towers.And I agree with you smdio with the shanksville hole in the ground.But the most noticeable thing is that the pentagon was not hit by a plane. If it was,where is the planes wingspan and the damage to the left and right of the gapping hole in the pentagon.It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see it was some sort of missile.Its clear as day. Like the supposed PA crash where are the remnants of the people, luggage or the actually fkn plane and Why would they pull the tapes on the videos surrounding one of the most secured areas in the US. O wait it must of been to devastating to watch.It just doesnt make sense.I dont know how they could of pulled off the cell phone calls or having those planes land and say they didnt if that was the case. Where did all those people go?                      The other thing that bothers the shit out of me is that the US had no problem going in and plucking Saddam from a fkn mole hole, but the supposed mastermind behind 9-11 is still out there after 10 years? We can bang our heads against the wall till we die and probably never find out the truth.

    I didn't mention the pentagon in the original post because I thought I was already giving too much information, and I didn't want to get people too confused.

    But yes, the pentagon is also a very VERY tricky situation. 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2010 - 8:18 PM ET #129

    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    I didn't mention the pentagon in the original post because I thought I was already giving too much information, and I didn't want to get people too confused.

    But yes, the pentagon is also a very VERY tricky situation. 

    BIG PLANE...TINY HOLE....IMPOSSIBLE ANGLE....TERRIBLE PILOT...SMALL FRAGMENTS...NO PICTURES...EVIDENCE DISPOSED OF QUICKLY.

    Sounds about right.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    I didn't mention the pentagon in the original post because I thought I was already giving too much information, and I didn't want to get people too confused.

    But yes, the pentagon is also a very VERY tricky situation. 

    BIG PLANE...TINY HOLE....IMPOSSIBLE ANGLE....TERRIBLE PILOT...SMALL FRAGMENTS...NO PICTURES...EVIDENCE DISPOSED OF QUICKLY.

    Sounds about right.  

     
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2010 - 8:21 PM ET #130

    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    I've referred many times in my original post to the entity know as the "Bilderberg Group".  This group is a "secret society" of Global juggernauts.  Past presidents, congressman, foriegn ambassedors, parliment members, foriegn Heads of State, wealthy and powerful business CEO's, mainstream media cooridinators, etc etc.  I can go on, but you'd probably rather just googling "The Bilderberg Group".  A list of members can be found somewhere.

    This group operates in complete secrecy.  They meet once a year, and have since 1952.  They control absolutely -everything- that we see and hear on a daily basis. Their main goal is to create a "Global Government", in which they use the United Nations as the "enforcer" and main military weapon.  They plan to disarm the United States and other countries, so that we must rely on them for protection.

    Their goal of September 11th was to create fear.  It was the first of a series of events that will ultimately lead to the "New World Order" (which they will call it) taking control of the Global every day actions of this planet.  They will have 1 global currency, 1 global army, and 1 global economy.  This group will essentially "monopolize" our planet to their own benefit.  We will have no choice but to accept the NWO as our new government, because at that point, the series of events they have created will have us living in fear on a daily basis.  We will succumb to their entrance as the new World Government, basically out of fear.

    I know it sounds far fetched, but if you look closer as I have, and stop being naive and believing everything you hear on the media, you will find the truth.



    If they operate in "complete secrecy" how is that you know so much about them and their agenda?

    How would someone be able to write a book on the entire history of a such a secretive group?

    In post #32 you state not to believe what one reads on the Internet but then in post #49 you recommend googling about a super secret organization. Is the Internet only a valuable tool when it confirms your point of view?

    If they are as powerful as you state don't you think they would be a little bit upset with you for revealing their super secret master plan? A group capable of doing everything you claim would have little problem finding you.

    I will have to say that I am not convinced but I do hope you find the answers you are looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    I've referred many times in my original post to the entity know as the "Bilderberg Group".  This group is a "secret society" of Global juggernauts.  Past presidents, congressman, foriegn ambassedors, parliment members, foriegn Heads of State, wealthy and powerful business CEO's, mainstream media cooridinators, etc etc.  I can go on, but you'd probably rather just googling "The Bilderberg Group".  A list of members can be found somewhere.

    This group operates in complete secrecy.  They meet once a year, and have since 1952.  They control absolutely -everything- that we see and hear on a daily basis. Their main goal is to create a "Global Government", in which they use the United Nations as the "enforcer" and main military weapon.  They plan to disarm the United States and other countries, so that we must rely on them for protection.

    Their goal of September 11th was to create fear.  It was the first of a series of events that will ultimately lead to the "New World Order" (which they will call it) taking control of the Global every day actions of this planet.  They will have 1 global currency, 1 global army, and 1 global economy.  This group will essentially "monopolize" our planet to their own benefit.  We will have no choice but to accept the NWO as our new government, because at that point, the series of events they have created will have us living in fear on a daily basis.  We will succumb to their entrance as the new World Government, basically out of fear.

    I know it sounds far fetched, but if you look closer as I have, and stop being naive and believing everything you hear on the media, you will find the truth.



    If they operate in "complete secrecy" how is that you know so much about them and their agenda?

    How would someone be able to write a book on the entire history of a such a secretive group?

    In post #32 you state not to believe what one reads on the Internet but then in post #49 you recommend googling about a super secret organization. Is the Internet only a valuable tool when it confirms your point of view?

    If they are as powerful as you state don't you think they would be a little bit upset with you for revealing their super secret master plan? A group capable of doing everything you claim would have little problem finding you.

    I will have to say that I am not convinced but I do hope you find the answers you are looking for.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2010 - 8:32 PM ET #131

    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    I was hoping for this question.

    Right after I hit "submit" for the original post, I realized that I hadn't included where Flight 93 actually went.

    Flight 93 landed in Cleveland at roughly 11:15 AM.  At approximately 10:45 AM, all people inside the terminal and waiting areas of the airport were told they had to evacuate immediately.  They were told they could not drive or take any of their vehicles.  They were forced to WALK away from the airport, and not ask any questions.

    Some people refused and tried to get back to gather their personal belongings.  These people were told that if they did not comply and tried to gain access back to the airport, they would be shot on site.

    At 11:15 AM, Flight 93 landed.  At 11:45, it was evacuated and the passengers were taken to an inactive NASA hanger.  What happened from there?  It's anyone's guess.  I highly doubt the government would have killed those passengers, but I absolutely believe that if they are capable of staging such attacks as the ones on the WTC, they are more than capable of sitting down 200 people, and giving them an ultimatum:

    "You will not contact your famlies ever again.  We will give you new lives with unlimited access to whatever you desire. We will place you in a very undisclosed location and give you new identities.  We will watch every move you make and monitor every minute of your daily lives.  Should you contact your family or speak of this to anyone, we will kill both them, and you."

    Would you agree?  I don't think you would have a choice..



    I'm afraid this post confirmed my worse fears about the OP, I will not rebutt anything else out of sympathy and understanding.

      GL in life buddy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    I was hoping for this question.

    Right after I hit "submit" for the original post, I realized that I hadn't included where Flight 93 actually went.

    Flight 93 landed in Cleveland at roughly 11:15 AM.  At approximately 10:45 AM, all people inside the terminal and waiting areas of the airport were told they had to evacuate immediately.  They were told they could not drive or take any of their vehicles.  They were forced to WALK away from the airport, and not ask any questions.

    Some people refused and tried to get back to gather their personal belongings.  These people were told that if they did not comply and tried to gain access back to the airport, they would be shot on site.

    At 11:15 AM, Flight 93 landed.  At 11:45, it was evacuated and the passengers were taken to an inactive NASA hanger.  What happened from there?  It's anyone's guess.  I highly doubt the government would have killed those passengers, but I absolutely believe that if they are capable of staging such attacks as the ones on the WTC, they are more than capable of sitting down 200 people, and giving them an ultimatum:

    "You will not contact your famlies ever again.  We will give you new lives with unlimited access to whatever you desire. We will place you in a very undisclosed location and give you new identities.  We will watch every move you make and monitor every minute of your daily lives.  Should you contact your family or speak of this to anyone, we will kill both them, and you."

    Would you agree?  I don't think you would have a choice..



    I'm afraid this post confirmed my worse fears about the OP, I will not rebutt anything else out of sympathy and understanding.

      GL in life buddy.


     
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2010 - 9:03 PM ET #132

    Sorry for your loss, but your conspiracy theories are just that. 
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    Sorry for your loss, but your conspiracy theories are just that. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2010 - 9:05 PM ET #133

    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    smdio -- would you feel better if the government was behind this? Why can't you look to the extremist Muslims as the true killers of your father?

    Have you ever read any history about the extremist Muslim movement? That is where your answer is, sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    smdio -- would you feel better if the government was behind this? Why can't you look to the extremist Muslims as the true killers of your father?

    Have you ever read any history about the extremist Muslim movement? That is where your answer is, sir.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    I was hoping for this question.

    Right after I hit "submit" for the original post, I realized that I hadn't included where Flight 93 actually went.

    Flight 93 landed in Cleveland at roughly 11:15 AM.  At approximately 10:45 AM, all people inside the terminal and waiting areas of the airport were told they had to evacuate immediately.  They were told they could not drive or take any of their vehicles.  They were forced to WALK away from the airport, and not ask any questions.

    Some people refused and tried to get back to gather their personal belongings.  These people were told that if they did not comply and tried to gain access back to the airport, they would be shot on site.

    At 11:15 AM, Flight 93 landed.  At 11:45, it was evacuated and the passengers were taken to an inactive NASA hanger.  What happened from there?  It's anyone's guess.  I highly doubt the government would have killed those passengers, but I absolutely believe that if they are capable of staging such attacks as the ones on the WTC, they are more than capable of sitting down 200 people, and giving them an ultimatum:

    "You will not contact your famlies ever again.  We will give you new lives with unlimited access to whatever you desire. We will place you in a very undisclosed location and give you new identities.  We will watch every move you make and monitor every minute of your daily lives.  Should you contact your family or speak of this to anyone, we will kill both them, and you."

    Would you agree?  I don't think you would have a choice..

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    I was hoping for this question.

    Right after I hit "submit" for the original post, I realized that I hadn't included where Flight 93 actually went.

    Flight 93 landed in Cleveland at roughly 11:15 AM.  At approximately 10:45 AM, all people inside the terminal and waiting areas of the airport were told they had to evacuate immediately.  They were told they could not drive or take any of their vehicles.  They were forced to WALK away from the airport, and not ask any questions.

    Some people refused and tried to get back to gather their personal belongings.  These people were told that if they did not comply and tried to gain access back to the airport, they would be shot on site.

    At 11:15 AM, Flight 93 landed.  At 11:45, it was evacuated and the passengers were taken to an inactive NASA hanger.  What happened from there?  It's anyone's guess.  I highly doubt the government would have killed those passengers, but I absolutely believe that if they are capable of staging such attacks as the ones on the WTC, they are more than capable of sitting down 200 people, and giving them an ultimatum:

    "You will not contact your famlies ever again.  We will give you new lives with unlimited access to whatever you desire. We will place you in a very undisclosed location and give you new identities.  We will watch every move you make and monitor every minute of your daily lives.  Should you contact your family or speak of this to anyone, we will kill both them, and you."

    Would you agree?  I don't think you would have a choice..

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2010 - 9:50 PM ET #135

    "Nearly 3 dozen "top Pentagon officials" canceled their flights on the morning of September 11th. All of these officials are confirmed to be members of the Bilderberg Group.

    if this is your own writing then name the officials. 
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    "Nearly 3 dozen "top Pentagon officials" canceled their flights on the morning of September 11th. All of these officials are confirmed to be members of the Bilderberg Group.

    if this is your own writing then name the officials. 
     
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    Condellezza Rice, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Tim Geintner (spelling?), Colin Powell

    The list is much longer and I don't have it in front of me.  I think you get the point though..

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    Condellezza Rice, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Tim Geintner (spelling?), Colin Powell

    The list is much longer and I don't have it in front of me.  I think you get the point though..

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by spiff:



    If they operate in "complete secrecy" how is that you know so much about them and their agenda?

    How would someone be able to write a book on the entire history of a such a secretive group?

    In post #32 you state not to believe what one reads on the Internet but then in post #49 you recommend googling about a super secret organization. Is the Internet only a valuable tool when it confirms your point of view?

    If they are as powerful as you state don't you think they would be a little bit upset with you for revealing their super secret master plan? A group capable of doing everything you claim would have little problem finding you.

    I will have to say that I am not convinced but I do hope you find the answers you are looking for.

    Daniel Estulin risked his life on dozens of occasions to get this book in the hands of the public

    You all should seriously consider reading it

    https://www.amazon.com/True-Story-Bilderberg-Group/dp/0977795349

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    If they operate in "complete secrecy" how is that you know so much about them and their agenda?

    How would someone be able to write a book on the entire history of a such a secretive group?

    In post #32 you state not to believe what one reads on the Internet but then in post #49 you recommend googling about a super secret organization. Is the Internet only a valuable tool when it confirms your point of view?

    If they are as powerful as you state don't you think they would be a little bit upset with you for revealing their super secret master plan? A group capable of doing everything you claim would have little problem finding you.

    I will have to say that I am not convinced but I do hope you find the answers you are looking for.

    Daniel Estulin risked his life on dozens of occasions to get this book in the hands of the public

    You all should seriously consider reading it

    https://www.amazon.com/True-Story-Bilderberg-Group/dp/0977795349

     
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    dan estulin risked his life?? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    Daniel Estulin risked his life on dozens of occasions to get this book in the hands of the public

    You all should seriously consider reading it

    https://www.amazon.com/True-Story-Bilderberg-Group/dp/0977795349



    So a supposedly super secret organization can orchestrate all of the following:

    1) the destruction of 2 110 story towers plus some other buildings 2) the destruction of a section a large of the Pentagon removed
    3) the disappearance of a plane full of people with a fake hole

    Basically all the events of 9/11 all the while making it appear as if it was done by terrorists.

    Yet they can't stop one man from gathering all the information about them, including their super secret master plan, using it to write a book and getting it published?

    He risked his life? According to you they can easily arrange the murder of thousands, in the most elaborate scheme in our time and yet could only threaten a no name author. It must be true since it is written in a book.




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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    Daniel Estulin risked his life on dozens of occasions to get this book in the hands of the public

    You all should seriously consider reading it

    https://www.amazon.com/True-Story-Bilderberg-Group/dp/0977795349



    So a supposedly super secret organization can orchestrate all of the following:

    1) the destruction of 2 110 story towers plus some other buildings 2) the destruction of a section a large of the Pentagon removed
    3) the disappearance of a plane full of people with a fake hole

    Basically all the events of 9/11 all the while making it appear as if it was done by terrorists.

    Yet they can't stop one man from gathering all the information about them, including their super secret master plan, using it to write a book and getting it published?

    He risked his life? According to you they can easily arrange the murder of thousands, in the most elaborate scheme in our time and yet could only threaten a no name author. It must be true since it is written in a book.




     
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    Being in the Army and seeing how this war has affected each and every one of us, i cant really say it was the governments doing or not.  REALIZE THIS THOUGH...we have guys out there right now doing what they are told to do everyday, and doing it with their lives at risk ...people can have their own opinions but please DO NOT try to pursuade other people into whatever u believe...I actually don't mind listening to other peoples opinion on this....Do I believe the it was this "group" of people that did this? no...in fact, this is the first i've heard of them...either way i think this is a great debate that will rage on for years. Being said...i understand that civilians will have there thoughts about what happened; just remember, we have guys that are overseas right now still fighting this war for our country without asking any questions whatsoever....just my opinion...
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    Being in the Army and seeing how this war has affected each and every one of us, i cant really say it was the governments doing or not.  REALIZE THIS THOUGH...we have guys out there right now doing what they are told to do everyday, and doing it with their lives at risk ...people can have their own opinions but please DO NOT try to pursuade other people into whatever u believe...I actually don't mind listening to other peoples opinion on this....Do I believe the it was this "group" of people that did this? no...in fact, this is the first i've heard of them...either way i think this is a great debate that will rage on for years. Being said...i understand that civilians will have there thoughts about what happened; just remember, we have guys that are overseas right now still fighting this war for our country without asking any questions whatsoever....just my opinion...
     
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    Being in the Army and seeing how this war has affected each and every one of us, i cant really say it was the governments doing or not.  REALIZE THIS THOUGH...we have guys out there right now doing what they are told to do everyday, and doing it with their lives at risk ...people can have their own opinions but please DO NOT try to pursuade other people into whatever u believe...I actually don't mind listening to other peoples opinion on this....Do I believe the it was this "group" of people that did this? no...in fact, this is the first i've heard of them...either way i think this is a great debate that will rage on for years. Being said...i understand that civilians will have there thoughts about what happened; just remember, we have guys that are overseas right now still fighting this war for our country without asking any questions whatsoever....just my opinion...
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    Being in the Army and seeing how this war has affected each and every one of us, i cant really say it was the governments doing or not.  REALIZE THIS THOUGH...we have guys out there right now doing what they are told to do everyday, and doing it with their lives at risk ...people can have their own opinions but please DO NOT try to pursuade other people into whatever u believe...I actually don't mind listening to other peoples opinion on this....Do I believe the it was this "group" of people that did this? no...in fact, this is the first i've heard of them...either way i think this is a great debate that will rage on for years. Being said...i understand that civilians will have there thoughts about what happened; just remember, we have guys that are overseas right now still fighting this war for our country without asking any questions whatsoever....just my opinion...
     
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    Posted: Oct. 19, 2010 - 11:43 PM ET #142

    sorry guys...i didn't mean to post that twice
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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    Daniel Estulin risked his life on dozens of occasions to get this book in the hands of the public

    You all should seriously consider reading it

    https://www.amazon.com/True-Story-Bilderberg-Group/dp/0977795349

    ...........That book is a complete joke...... If the Bilderbergers were as powerful as he says, and they wanted to murder him, they would have done it..........pure comedy.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by smdio:

    Daniel Estulin risked his life on dozens of occasions to get this book in the hands of the public

    You all should seriously consider reading it

    https://www.amazon.com/True-Story-Bilderberg-Group/dp/0977795349

    ...........That book is a complete joke...... If the Bilderbergers were as powerful as he says, and they wanted to murder him, they would have done it..........pure comedy.......
     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2010 - 12:08 AM ET #144

    smdio, I think you need to reconsider you perception of the Bilderberg group...here is a quote taken from Daniel Estulin himself in a speech he gave to the European Parliament in an effort to raise awareness of the Bilderberg plot...

    "Now, Bilderberg isn´t a secret society. It is not an evil, all-seeing eye. There is no conspiracy even though a lot of people with their infantile fantasies see it as such. No group of people, and I don’t care how powerful they are, sit around the table in dark room, holding hands, staring at a crystal ball, planning the world´s future."

    "Not One World Government or New World Order as too many people mistakenly believe. Rather, the ideology is of a ONE WORLD COMPANY LIMITED."

    He is not necessarily referring to a take over of the world and implementation of a new world order, but says they are more focused on the economic aspects of world domination, not political. Although it would be favorable for him to portray that possibility of political take over; it would sure sell a lot of books, huh.


    https://beforeitsnews.com/story/73/389/Transcript_Video_Daniel_Estulin_Bilderberg_Speech_at_EU_Parliament_Press_Conference.html


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    smdio, I think you need to reconsider you perception of the Bilderberg group...here is a quote taken from Daniel Estulin himself in a speech he gave to the European Parliament in an effort to raise awareness of the Bilderberg plot...

    "Now, Bilderberg isn´t a secret society. It is not an evil, all-seeing eye. There is no conspiracy even though a lot of people with their infantile fantasies see it as such. No group of people, and I don’t care how powerful they are, sit around the table in dark room, holding hands, staring at a crystal ball, planning the world´s future."

    "Not One World Government or New World Order as too many people mistakenly believe. Rather, the ideology is of a ONE WORLD COMPANY LIMITED."

    He is not necessarily referring to a take over of the world and implementation of a new world order, but says they are more focused on the economic aspects of world domination, not political. Although it would be favorable for him to portray that possibility of political take over; it would sure sell a lot of books, huh.


    https://beforeitsnews.com/story/73/389/Transcript_Video_Daniel_Estulin_Bilderberg_Speech_at_EU_Parliament_Press_Conference.html


     
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    Posted: Oct. 20, 2010 - 7:49 AM ET #145

    That quote above by Estulin really contradicts everything he says in the book.  I'm really shocked to be honest and I'll have to read that speech in context later today when I get time

    And please guys, don't knock the book and Estulin unless you've read it first.  You can't argue something without knowing what the guy said/did first

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    That quote above by Estulin really contradicts everything he says in the book.  I'm really shocked to be honest and I'll have to read that speech in context later today when I get time

    And please guys, don't knock the book and Estulin unless you've read it first.  You can't argue something without knowing what the guy said/did first

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crashhays:

    Being in the Army and seeing how this war has affected each and every one of us, i cant really say it was the governments doing or not.  REALIZE THIS THOUGH...we have guys out there right now doing what they are told to do everyday, and doing it with their lives at risk ...people can have their own opinions but please DO NOT try to pursuade other people into whatever u believe...I actually don't mind listening to other peoples opinion on this....Do I believe the it was this "group" of people that did this? no...in fact, this is the first i've heard of them...either way i think this is a great debate that will rage on for years. Being said...i understand that civilians will have there thoughts about what happened; just remember, we have guys that are overseas right now still fighting this war for our country without asking any questions whatsoever....just my opinion...

    I agree 100%.  I also have about a dozen close friends overseas right now.  This post was not intended at all to discredit them from their brave efforts in keeping us safe.  They are indeed doing as they're told, and whether I believe in a conspiracy or not, it doesn't at all take away from their courage..

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    Being in the Army and seeing how this war has affected each and every one of us, i cant really say it was the governments doing or not.  REALIZE THIS THOUGH...we have guys out there right now doing what they are told to do everyday, and doing it with their lives at risk ...people can have their own opinions but please DO NOT try to pursuade other people into whatever u believe...I actually don't mind listening to other peoples opinion on this....Do I believe the it was this "group" of people that did this? no...in fact, this is the first i've heard of them...either way i think this is a great debate that will rage on for years. Being said...i understand that civilians will have there thoughts about what happened; just remember, we have guys that are overseas right now still fighting this war for our country without asking any questions whatsoever....just my opinion...

    I agree 100%.  I also have about a dozen close friends overseas right now.  This post was not intended at all to discredit them from their brave efforts in keeping us safe.  They are indeed doing as they're told, and whether I believe in a conspiracy or not, it doesn't at all take away from their courage..

     
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    CIA/Mossad operation.  Anyone who thinks the official story is true is a complete moron.  6/10 of the 9/11 commission members dont believe their own report because of tampering.  But we are kooks for thinking something is up here.  I wont even argue with people who think 9/11 is what they tell us it was.  Sorry smdio about your father.  Way too many holes in the "official report" indicating severe coverups. 
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    CIA/Mossad operation.  Anyone who thinks the official story is true is a complete moron.  6/10 of the 9/11 commission members dont believe their own report because of tampering.  But we are kooks for thinking something is up here.  I wont even argue with people who think 9/11 is what they tell us it was.  Sorry smdio about your father.  Way too many holes in the "official report" indicating severe coverups. 
     
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    I think you are overlooking the most obvious part of this. The risk is not worth the reward. The government is not going to risk killing thousands of its citizens and blaming it on terrorists just to get some oil. The repercussions of it getting out would be too great and eventually it would get out.

    I am sorry you lost your dad during this event but it sounds like you have made this your lifes mission. I do not want to sound like a dick here but I think it is time to move on. You will never get to the bottom of it one way or the other so what is the point. Life is too short bro. Good luck.
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    I think you are overlooking the most obvious part of this. The risk is not worth the reward. The government is not going to risk killing thousands of its citizens and blaming it on terrorists just to get some oil. The repercussions of it getting out would be too great and eventually it would get out.

    I am sorry you lost your dad during this event but it sounds like you have made this your lifes mission. I do not want to sound like a dick here but I think it is time to move on. You will never get to the bottom of it one way or the other so what is the point. Life is too short bro. Good luck.
     
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    It amazes me how people blindly believe what the television says, and yet completely ignore scientific evidence.  If there were broccoli in the middle east, we wouldn't be there. 

    Problem/Action/Solution...

    Problem:  Businesses of the U.S. are either directly or indirectly effected by oil.  The lack of it is actually a national security risk as well.

    Action:  Go to war with a country that has oil, and get citizens support this by creating a "terrorist attack". 

    Solution:  self explanatory.

    Smdio... you can't make people wake up man... they have to do it on their own.  People live their whole lives, and don't want to believe they have been lied to.  The blue pill is easier to swallow.

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    It amazes me how people blindly believe what the television says, and yet completely ignore scientific evidence.  If there were broccoli in the middle east, we wouldn't be there. 

    Problem/Action/Solution...

    Problem:  Businesses of the U.S. are either directly or indirectly effected by oil.  The lack of it is actually a national security risk as well.

    Action:  Go to war with a country that has oil, and get citizens support this by creating a "terrorist attack". 

    Solution:  self explanatory.

    Smdio... you can't make people wake up man... they have to do it on their own.  People live their whole lives, and don't want to believe they have been lied to.  The blue pill is easier to swallow.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

    I think you are overlooking the most obvious part of this. The risk is not worth the reward. The government is not going to risk killing thousands of its citizens and blaming it on terrorists just to get some oil. The repercussions of it getting out would be too great and eventually it would get out.

    I am sorry you lost your dad during this event but it sounds like you have made this your lifes mission. I do not want to sound like a dick here but I think it is time to move on. You will never get to the bottom of it one way or the other so what is the point. Life is too short bro. Good luck.


    Voice of reason. Besides, if this were a controlled demolition, or giant conspiracy, there is ZERO CHANCE that a whistleblower who participated in the conspiracy wouldn't have come out by this point. Zero. The Bush administration was super incompetent, but somehow they were able to mastermind this giant conspiracy? Highly unlikely.
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    I think you are overlooking the most obvious part of this. The risk is not worth the reward. The government is not going to risk killing thousands of its citizens and blaming it on terrorists just to get some oil. The repercussions of it getting out would be too great and eventually it would get out.

    I am sorry you lost your dad during this event but it sounds like you have made this your lifes mission. I do not want to sound like a dick here but I think it is time to move on. You will never get to the bottom of it one way or the other so what is the point. Life is too short bro. Good luck.


    Voice of reason. Besides, if this were a controlled demolition, or giant conspiracy, there is ZERO CHANCE that a whistleblower who participated in the conspiracy wouldn't have come out by this point. Zero. The Bush administration was super incompetent, but somehow they were able to mastermind this giant conspiracy? Highly unlikely.
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