September 11, 2001 (long read)

Nice video Hugh, but almost nothing that was shown can be called fact.  It's just another video that the 9/11 Debunkers are floating around out there.  I've read on many websites that -zero- of the bodies were identified. 

If you can "do this all day", please explain to me how Tower #7 collapsed in Free Fall speed without the aid of explosive devices.

This, and this alone, I have yet to see be dis-proven using science.  

According to the "Radar" that had be "tracking" flight 93, all of the 13 cell phone calls were made above 20,000 feet

And I'm not saying with 100% certainly that those people are still alive. 

I am saying however, that the plane did not crash in Shanksville. I believe a cruise missile was shot into the ground, creating the huge crater that was at the crash site.

First of all its called pancake the weight of each floor falling ontop of each other . Explosive device make a big load noise .

Do you have proof I wasn't . Go live over in Iran

United Airlines Flight 93

Thirteen passengers and crew members aboard United Airlines Flight 93 are known to have made calls. Except for two calls, all the calls came from onboard airphones, with information known about which airphones (which seat numbers) the calls came from. As you may not know, airphones can be used at any elevation.

The two cell phone calls (one from CeeCee Lyles and the other from Ed Felt) both occurred at 9:58. At that moment, the aircraft had descended to 5,000 ft above sea level (the elevations in that part of Pennsylvania are ~2,000+ ft). So, the plane was only ~2,000 - 3,000 feet above the ground at that point. The calls were dropped after ~1 minute, probably when the cell phone system attempted to transfer them to the next cell phone tower.

And if you did everything possible to get back to your family, you would be killed and subsequently never see them again

I'm not saying this happened!  All I'm saying is that Flight 93 landed in Cleveland on September 11th

Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

see post #49 

Pseudoscience is a claim, belief, or practice posing as science, but which does not constitute or adhere to an appropriate scientific methodology, lacks supporting evidence or plausibility, or otherwise lacks scientific status.^[1] Pseudoscience has been characterized by the use of vague, exaggerated or untestable claims, over-reliance on confirmation rather than refutation, lack of openness to testing by other experts, and a lack of progress in theory development. The term "pseudoscience" is inherently pejorative, because it is used to assert that something is being inaccurately or deceptively portrayed as science.^[2] Accordingly, those labeled as practicing or advocating pseudoscience normally dispute the characterization.^[2]

By one account, being able to tell science apart from "pseudo-science, such as astrology, quackery, the occult, and superstition"^[3][4] is part of gaining scientific literacy. There is, however, disagreement among philosophers of science and commentators in the scientific community as to whether there is a reliable way of distinguishing pseudoscience from non-mainstream science.^[5][6]

Your video clipped is FILLED with Pseudoscience

Whoever that guy is, he used a "photoshop" type program (I think he called it iMovie) to edit the actual collapse of Tower 7 to his liking, and then tried to make claims based on his edited video

That is Pseudoscience at it's best!

I'm still waiting.

My friend, there is no such law in physics that says "pancake weight" will cause an object (in this case, a 47 story building) to fall in freefall speed.  There is an universally accepted formula for determining the speed of free fall for an object, and it has absolutely nothing to do with "pancake weight".  If what you're saying is true, and the building collapsed because of the top floors accumulating heavy weight, causing the lower floors to give way, the building would have never fell at the speed of freefall.  It would have instead fallen at nearly double the rate.

Oh, and you want "eye witness" testimony from those who were at the scene?  How about listening to a few NYFD from that day, who ALL heard explosive devices in and around the WTC complex, specially Tower #7:

https://firefightersfor911truth.org/?cat=11

United Airlines Flight 175

United Airlines Flight 175 departed for Los Angeles at 8:00:

 "It pushed back from its gate at 7:58 and departed Logan Airport at 8:14."

The Report confirms that by 8:33, "it had reached its assigned cruising altitude of 31,000 feet." According to the Report, it maintained this cruising altitude until 8.51, when it "deviated from its assigned altitude":

"The first operational evidence that something was abnormal on United 175 came at 8:47, when the aircraft changed beacon codes twice within a minute. At 8:51, the flight deviated from its assigned altitude, and a minute later New York air traffic controllers began repeatedly and unsuccessfully trying to contact it."

And one minute later at 8.52, Lee Hanson receives a call from his son Peter.

[Flight UAL 175] "At 8:52, in Easton, Connecticut, a man named Lee Hanson received a phone call from his son Peter, a passenger on United 175. His son told him: “I think they’ve taken over the cockpit—An attendant has been stabbed— and someone else up front may have been killed. The plane is making strange moves. Call United Airlines—Tell them it’s Flight 175, Boston to LA.

Press reports confirm that Peter Hanson was using his cell (i.e it was not an air phone). Unless the plane had suddenly nose-dived, the plane was still at high altitude at 8.52. (Moreover, Hanson's call could have been initiated at least a minute prior to his father Lee Hanson picking up the phone.)

Thermite

Thermite is a pyrotechnic composition of a metal powder and a metal oxide, which produces an aluminothermic reaction known as a thermite reaction. Most varieties are not explosive, but can create short bursts of extremely high temperatures focused on a very small area for a short period of time.

Thermites can be a diverse class of compositions. The fuels are often aluminium, magnesium, calcium, titanium, zinc, silicon, and boron. The oxidizers can be boron(III) oxide, silicon(IV) oxide, chromium(III) oxide, manganese(IV) oxide, iron(III) oxide, iron(II,III) oxide, copper(II) oxide, and lead(II,III,IV) oxide.^[1]

The most common thermite is aluminium-iron(III) oxide.

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From 911 Research:

Active Thermitic Material
Unexploded Energetic Materials Found in WTC Dust
In November of 2007, Steven E. Jones, having earlier shown the presence of aluminothermic residues in World Trade Center dust samples in the form of solidified iron-rich droplets, announced his discovery of particles of unreacted thermitic materials, in the form of bi-layered chips with gray and red layers. The chips, which are attracted by a magnet, have about the thickness of an eggshell but are much tougher. The red layers have elemental compositions similar to commercial thermite, and to the iron-rich droplets, according to Jones, with spikes for oxygen, iron, aluminum, potassium, and silicon. Jones describes experiments in which the chips burn vigorously when ignited by a torch. 1

One difference between the composition of the red layers and that of simple thermite preparations is the layers’ abundance of carbon and silicon. The significance of the carbon would become more clear as Jones and his collegues continued to study the samples and research the state of the art of high-tech aluminothermics in 2001. Carbon and silicon are often major constituents of energetic nano-composites or “super-thermites”, forming a matrix that holds the nano-sized iron oxide and aluminum particles in close proximity within a tough, stable material. Additionally, silicon oxides may participate in the thermite reaction as oxidizers of aluminum, and carbon compounds may increase the explosive power of such preparations by generating high gas pressures.

Detailed Analysis of the Chips Provided by 2009 Paper
In April of 2009, the paper Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe documented the detailed analysis of the red-gray chips that had been performed by the authors using analytical instruments such as scanning electron microscopy with X-ray energy-dispersive spectroscopy and differential scanning calorimetry. 2 The paper, summarized in the essay Explosives Found in World Trade Center Dust, includes detailed descriptions of the physical structure of the chips, the chemical compositions of their components, and the chips’ thermal behavior.

Portion of Fig. 4 from Active Thermititic Material Discovered. The corner of a red-gray chip, with the gray and red layers labeled.
The gray layers are a homogeneous material consisting mostly of iron and oxygen, whereas the red layers are a nano-structured composite material, in which thin plates of mostly elemental aluminum and faceted grains of mostly oxides of iron are embedded in a mesoporous material of mostly silicon and oxygen. The plates and grains, which are highly consistent in shape and size, are only 40nm thick and 100nm in diameter, respectively.

References

1. Dr. Steven E. Jones Announces New Discovery: Red/gray Bi-layered Chips in WTC Dust, stj911.org, 12/15/2007
2. Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe, The Open Chemical Physics Journal, 4/3/2009

Nice rebuttle Leafs