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Quote Originally Posted by OnlyGod:



yeah right we all crawled out of the primordial ooze after the big bang and evolved into a man and a woman with all our genitals perfectly in tact.  Nice try buddy.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.

When you are able to not use strawman fallacies maybe we can talk ok?





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yeah right we all crawled out of the primordial ooze after the big bang and evolved into a man and a woman with all our genitals perfectly in tact.  Nice try buddy.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.

When you are able to not use strawman fallacies maybe we can talk ok?





 
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Correction: Very profoundly said br. aerial! but I think it would be a tad too confusing for sister system to comprehend.

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Correction: Very profoundly said br. aerial! but I think it would be a tad too confusing for sister system to comprehend.

 
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Yet another challenge to creationists here. Name one time where a previous unknown phenomena  on earth was discovered and the cause of it had a supernatural explanation.

Examples: Earthquakes, Rain, thunder, lighting, fire, rainbows ect...all at one point were thought to be the direct work of deities and or the supernatural. Once we found out what the real cause was it turned out to be a 100% natural and scientific explanation.

Can any of you name something that only has a demonstrable supernatural cause for something we can't currently explain?

If you can't then why would you continue the path to being wrong with what we still don't know? There is no reason at all to think that what we currently don't know has anything to do with dieties.


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Yet another challenge to creationists here. Name one time where a previous unknown phenomena  on earth was discovered and the cause of it had a supernatural explanation.

Examples: Earthquakes, Rain, thunder, lighting, fire, rainbows ect...all at one point were thought to be the direct work of deities and or the supernatural. Once we found out what the real cause was it turned out to be a 100% natural and scientific explanation.

Can any of you name something that only has a demonstrable supernatural cause for something we can't currently explain?

If you can't then why would you continue the path to being wrong with what we still don't know? There is no reason at all to think that what we currently don't know has anything to do with dieties.


 
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It is also entirely possible that as man's brain evolved and his ability to reason improved, he decided to wear clothes. Wearing clothes certainly could have caused a decline in the amount of hair on the human body, which was gradual and lengthy until we got where we are today. As mrgetrich basically said, people still have the genes for it. This is evident based on the fact that some people are extremely hairy while others are not. Humans still have lots of hair on their bodies, just not nearly as much as apes.

Regardless, even if we grant your position that it seems to not make sense, that is no reason to do away with evolution. We know with certainty that creatures have evolved and continue to evolve. We can logically conclude that human beings aren't distinct from every other creature on the planet.

As for how apes got here, they walked, not hard lol.
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It is also entirely possible that as man's brain evolved and his ability to reason improved, he decided to wear clothes. Wearing clothes certainly could have caused a decline in the amount of hair on the human body, which was gradual and lengthy until we got where we are today. As mrgetrich basically said, people still have the genes for it. This is evident based on the fact that some people are extremely hairy while others are not. Humans still have lots of hair on their bodies, just not nearly as much as apes.

Regardless, even if we grant your position that it seems to not make sense, that is no reason to do away with evolution. We know with certainty that creatures have evolved and continue to evolve. We can logically conclude that human beings aren't distinct from every other creature on the planet.

As for how apes got here, they walked, not hard lol.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by OnlyGod:



yeah right we all crawled out of the primordial ooze after the big bang and evolved into a man and a woman with all our genitals perfectly in tact.  Nice try buddy.

This statement indicates your level of ignorance is so high and intelligence so low that I will not waste my intelligence to even think of a joke to make.
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yeah right we all crawled out of the primordial ooze after the big bang and evolved into a man and a woman with all our genitals perfectly in tact.  Nice try buddy.

This statement indicates your level of ignorance is so high and intelligence so low that I will not waste my intelligence to even think of a joke to make.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by OnlyGod:



yeah right we all crawled out of the primordial ooze after the big bang and evolved into a man and a woman with all our genitals perfectly in tact.  Nice try buddy.


Now to correct this pile of uneducated nonsense. Even if you don't accept modern science, which it's obvious you don't. At least know what you are disagreeing with.

The big bang was about 13.7 billion years ago

Earth was formed about 4.5 billion years ago

Life on earth about 3 billion years ago

Modern humans about 200,000 years ago.

Life on earth have billions of years to get our "genitals in tact"

Maybe you could explain to me why God would make a man first, with genitals when he had not yet created woman? Did he forget? And if he didn't why not make her at the same time?

Or...maybe Adam didn't have testicles at first them magically grew them when God made eve?



So fucking stupid


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yeah right we all crawled out of the primordial ooze after the big bang and evolved into a man and a woman with all our genitals perfectly in tact.  Nice try buddy.


Now to correct this pile of uneducated nonsense. Even if you don't accept modern science, which it's obvious you don't. At least know what you are disagreeing with.

The big bang was about 13.7 billion years ago

Earth was formed about 4.5 billion years ago

Life on earth about 3 billion years ago

Modern humans about 200,000 years ago.

Life on earth have billions of years to get our "genitals in tact"

Maybe you could explain to me why God would make a man first, with genitals when he had not yet created woman? Did he forget? And if he didn't why not make her at the same time?

Or...maybe Adam didn't have testicles at first them magically grew them when God made eve?



So fucking stupid


 
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This statement indicates your level of ignorance is so high and intelligence so low that I will not waste my intelligence to even think of a joke to make.


You can't really waste intelligence you don't even know what that word means.
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This statement indicates your level of ignorance is so high and intelligence so low that I will not waste my intelligence to even think of a joke to make.


You can't really waste intelligence you don't even know what that word means.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.

When you are able to not use strawman fallacies maybe we can talk ok?







Yeah way to cut and paste schizo, you know God is real and he is tired of your lies.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.

When you are able to not use strawman fallacies maybe we can talk ok?







Yeah way to cut and paste schizo, you know God is real and he is tired of your lies.
 
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Yeah way to cut and paste schizo, you know God is real and he is tired of your lies.


Evolution has nothing to do with the existence of God or Gods. Try again.
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Yeah way to cut and paste schizo, you know God is real and he is tired of your lies.


Evolution has nothing to do with the existence of God or Gods. Try again.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:



Now to correct this pile of uneducated nonsense. Even if you don't accept modern science, which it's obvious you don't. At least know what you are disagreeing with.

The big bang was about 13.7 billion years ago

Earth was formed about 4.5 billion years ago

Life on earth about 3 billion years ago

Modern humans about 200,000 years ago.

Life on earth have billions of years to get our "genitals in tact"

Maybe you could explain to me why God would make a man first, with genitals when he had not yet created woman? Did he forget? And if he didn't why not make her at the same time?

Or...maybe Adam didn't have testicles at first them magically grew them when God made eve?



So fucking stupid




You have no proof whatsoever you are telling fairy tales as well.  Fairy tales where you change the evidence whenever convinient.
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Now to correct this pile of uneducated nonsense. Even if you don't accept modern science, which it's obvious you don't. At least know what you are disagreeing with.

The big bang was about 13.7 billion years ago

Earth was formed about 4.5 billion years ago

Life on earth about 3 billion years ago

Modern humans about 200,000 years ago.

Life on earth have billions of years to get our "genitals in tact"

Maybe you could explain to me why God would make a man first, with genitals when he had not yet created woman? Did he forget? And if he didn't why not make her at the same time?

Or...maybe Adam didn't have testicles at first them magically grew them when God made eve?



So fucking stupid




You have no proof whatsoever you are telling fairy tales as well.  Fairy tales where you change the evidence whenever convinient.
 
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Evolution has nothing to do with the existence of God or Gods. Try again.


Why so spiritually weak now schizo ?  Is your master satan being exposed ? How mad are you ? 
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Evolution has nothing to do with the existence of God or Gods. Try again.


Why so spiritually weak now schizo ?  Is your master satan being exposed ? How mad are you ? 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by OnlyGod:



You have no proof whatsoever you are telling fairy tales as well.  Fairy tales where you change the evidence whenever convinient.


By fairy tales you mean science? Have you ever been wrong about something in the past, then been corrected and changed your position based on new information? If you have, then how can you criticize science?

 Maybe we should still believe that the earth is flat or that clouds are solid objects or that chariots pull the sun across the sky. I'm mean all humans did was change the evidence where it was convenient.


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You have no proof whatsoever you are telling fairy tales as well.  Fairy tales where you change the evidence whenever convinient.


By fairy tales you mean science? Have you ever been wrong about something in the past, then been corrected and changed your position based on new information? If you have, then how can you criticize science?

 Maybe we should still believe that the earth is flat or that clouds are solid objects or that chariots pull the sun across the sky. I'm mean all humans did was change the evidence where it was convenient.


 
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Why so spiritually weak now schizo ?  Is your master satan being exposed ? How mad are you ? 


I'm an atheist, which means i don't believe in Gods, which would include Satan. I'm  not mad, I just don't believe in your story. It's not that difficult a concept.


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Why so spiritually weak now schizo ?  Is your master satan being exposed ? How mad are you ? 


I'm an atheist, which means i don't believe in Gods, which would include Satan. I'm  not mad, I just don't believe in your story. It's not that difficult a concept.


 
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You have no proof whatsoever you are telling fairy tales as well.  Fairy tales where you change the evidence whenever convinient.

Actually, scientists have proof. The big bang happened. Even Rostos doesn't dispute that. At least Rostos bases his arguments on the theory that god caused the big bang. To refute the big bang altogether is like saying the world doesn't exist when you're asleep or trees don't exist when you're inside and can't see them. Basically, you're a moron. The big bang happened because we CAN SEE IT WITH TELESCOPES. It's still HAPPENING. CURRENT. RIGHT NOW. We may actually be able to see the earliest stars from the big bang billions of years ago with advanced telescopes. We can see stars going supernova. We can see all of these things.

Do you wanna know what we can't see? I'll give you one guess 
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You have no proof whatsoever you are telling fairy tales as well.  Fairy tales where you change the evidence whenever convinient.

Actually, scientists have proof. The big bang happened. Even Rostos doesn't dispute that. At least Rostos bases his arguments on the theory that god caused the big bang. To refute the big bang altogether is like saying the world doesn't exist when you're asleep or trees don't exist when you're inside and can't see them. Basically, you're a moron. The big bang happened because we CAN SEE IT WITH TELESCOPES. It's still HAPPENING. CURRENT. RIGHT NOW. We may actually be able to see the earliest stars from the big bang billions of years ago with advanced telescopes. We can see stars going supernova. We can see all of these things.

Do you wanna know what we can't see? I'll give you one guess 
 
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Posted: Jun. 1, 2011 - 6:45 PM ET #1515

Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:

Yet another challenge to creationists here. Name one time where a previous unknown phenomena  on earth was discovered and the cause of it had a supernatural explanation.

I can tell you that there has been many archaeological discoveries of the 20th century and their effects on the Bible....does that count?

You have a computer...go google it and see for yourself!

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Yet another challenge to creationists here. Name one time where a previous unknown phenomena  on earth was discovered and the cause of it had a supernatural explanation.

I can tell you that there has been many archaeological discoveries of the 20th century and their effects on the Bible....does that count?

You have a computer...go google it and see for yourself!

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Posted: Jun. 1, 2011 - 6:48 PM ET #1516

Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:



By fairy tales you mean science? Have you ever been wrong about something in the past, then been corrected and changed your position based on new information? If you have, then how can you criticize science?

 Maybe we should still believe that the earth is flat or that clouds are solid objects or that chariots pull the sun across the sky. I'm mean all humans did was change the evidence where it was convenient.



What's wrong with you? Who are you to question god's plan? Obviously he wanted to fool us for a few thousand years, duh. It's all part of his divine plan!

In all seriousness, I wonder if the bible said anything about whether the earth was round or flat. SJD, can you help here?
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By fairy tales you mean science? Have you ever been wrong about something in the past, then been corrected and changed your position based on new information? If you have, then how can you criticize science?

 Maybe we should still believe that the earth is flat or that clouds are solid objects or that chariots pull the sun across the sky. I'm mean all humans did was change the evidence where it was convenient.



What's wrong with you? Who are you to question god's plan? Obviously he wanted to fool us for a few thousand years, duh. It's all part of his divine plan!

In all seriousness, I wonder if the bible said anything about whether the earth was round or flat. SJD, can you help here?
 
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Posted: Jun. 1, 2011 - 6:51 PM ET #1517

Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

I can tell you that there has been many archaeological discoveries of the 20th century and their effects on the Bible....does that count?

You have a computer...go google it and see for yourself!



Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:




Can any of you name something that only has a demonstrable supernatural cause for something we can't currently explain?




Let's see..nope I don't think that counts. Let me give you a hint, you won't find anything because there isn't anything.
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I can tell you that there has been many archaeological discoveries of the 20th century and their effects on the Bible....does that count?

You have a computer...go google it and see for yourself!



Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:




Can any of you name something that only has a demonstrable supernatural cause for something we can't currently explain?




Let's see..nope I don't think that counts. Let me give you a hint, you won't find anything because there isn't anything.
 
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Posted: Jun. 1, 2011 - 6:55 PM ET #1518

Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


What's wrong with you? Who are you to question god's plan? Obviously he wanted to fool us for a few thousand years, duh. It's all part of his divine plan!

In all seriousness, I wonder if the bible said anything about whether the earth was round or flat. SJD, can you help here?


The earth is an oblique spherod....and that's defiantly not in the bible. At best the earth is described as being a circle, a 2 dimensional flat object.


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What's wrong with you? Who are you to question god's plan? Obviously he wanted to fool us for a few thousand years, duh. It's all part of his divine plan!

In all seriousness, I wonder if the bible said anything about whether the earth was round or flat. SJD, can you help here?


The earth is an oblique spherod....and that's defiantly not in the bible. At best the earth is described as being a circle, a 2 dimensional flat object.


 
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Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:

All of us have the gene for "fur", although like teeth in chickens it's inactive. We didn't lose it it's just dormant for most people. There are some people, maybe because God hates their families where that gene is activated and they have a body full of hair. The condition is called Hypertrichosis.

But regardless, you still can't name on anatomical feature of an ape that we have that they don't. Since you can't that makes us apes, just like we are mammals and vertebrates.  Would you deny that we are mammals or vertebrates?







Get the hairiest human that you know and put out in any jungle in the world with no clothing over 50 years including there brutal winters, is he gonna survive?

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All of us have the gene for "fur", although like teeth in chickens it's inactive. We didn't lose it it's just dormant for most people. There are some people, maybe because God hates their families where that gene is activated and they have a body full of hair. The condition is called Hypertrichosis.

But regardless, you still can't name on anatomical feature of an ape that we have that they don't. Since you can't that makes us apes, just like we are mammals and vertebrates.  Would you deny that we are mammals or vertebrates?







Get the hairiest human that you know and put out in any jungle in the world with no clothing over 50 years including there brutal winters, is he gonna survive?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

I am far far from an expert in biological sciences / evolutionary theory etc. The only thing i dont understand is if evolution is true, why do we humans wear clothes?

the thread really should have ended and been archived with this post. it's a short sentence but there is so much happening in it.   it doesn't get any better.  

Very very typical covers response, i have a whole paragraph, and you picked a small line way out of context and clapped at it...

You know what that means...

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I am far far from an expert in biological sciences / evolutionary theory etc. The only thing i dont understand is if evolution is true, why do we humans wear clothes?

the thread really should have ended and been archived with this post. it's a short sentence but there is so much happening in it.   it doesn't get any better.  

Very very typical covers response, i have a whole paragraph, and you picked a small line way out of context and clapped at it...

You know what that means...

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Get the hairiest human that you know and put out in any jungle in the world with no clothing over 50 years including there brutal winters, is he gonna survive?




What jungle has winters?
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Get the hairiest human that you know and put out in any jungle in the world with no clothing over 50 years including there brutal winters, is he gonna survive?




What jungle has winters?
 
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Good to see you also avoided that second paragraph of my post Rostos, I wonder why.
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Good to see you also avoided that second paragraph of my post Rostos, I wonder why.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:




Can any of you name something that only has a demonstrable supernatural cause for something we can't currently explain?




Let's see..nope I don't think that counts. Let me give you a hint, you won't find anything because there isn't anything.

You ever heard of "Our Lady of Fatima"?

You got a computer go google it!

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Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:




Can any of you name something that only has a demonstrable supernatural cause for something we can't currently explain?




Let's see..nope I don't think that counts. Let me give you a hint, you won't find anything because there isn't anything.

You ever heard of "Our Lady of Fatima"?

You got a computer go google it!

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That still has nothing at all to do with what i said originally. Even if it were true.
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That still has nothing at all to do with what i said originally. Even if it were true.
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

You ever heard of "Our Lady of Fatima"?

Our Lady Fatima is the answer to the question to provide an example of a supernatural cause for something we cant explain?

The Three Stooges are at it again!

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You ever heard of "Our Lady of Fatima"?

Our Lady Fatima is the answer to the question to provide an example of a supernatural cause for something we cant explain?

The Three Stooges are at it again!

Keep it coming please.

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