Police Arrest Woman in Her Front Lawn For Filming Traffic Stop

 Hmmmm.....because you've never done it? The chick in the vid didn't do it either so what's your point?

Because, as you have made abundantly clear, you blindly submit to whatever the cops ask you to do because you don’t want to get into trouble. I wonder how far you would take that. How far would the police have to go before you said “I’m not doing that”? Is there anything?  

I’m starting to think that as well.

This was originally about citizens filming police officers and a few here saying they shouldn’t be doing that, but he realized there was no way he was going to win that argument so now he is trying to turn it into a philosophical discussion about laws.

He is one of those “I am right and everyone else is wrong because I say so” types. There really isn’t much more to say.

 

 So making this simple. Why can't she "enjoy the fresh air" or videotaped something outside her yard at that particular moment of her desire while on her own property? Is she an underaged and rebellous child, needing to yield to the advice of her "dad" in the form of that moronic cop?

To your second point. Of course, few judges will consider anyone brought in and charged "innocent" because they have the integrity of law enforcement to uphold. But of course, this is a given.

Let me ask you this, if the cops felt "threatened," why wasn't that message applied toward everyone on the scene, but only to the one with a camera?

That cop was a very small person inside I almost feel sorry for such a cowardly breed of man.

face palm

freedom of speech? right to peaceably assemble? right to petition the government?

Are you kidding me?

You've got a right to petition the government NOT a right to argue with police officers performing their duty. You have NO RIGHT to petition the police officers themselves while they are doing their duty.

Freedom of speech was never impeded. Stopping the video from being posted would have infringed on that right.

Right to peaceably assemble does not include me and you hanging out on the sidewalk whenever we want.

As far as the 4th... This woman was not hanging out in her yard "enjoying the fresh air" when suddenly, for no reason, she is arrested... She said something to the police before she started filming (which they didn't like), she was filming them from the sidewalk (maybe) which is public property, she refused to cooperate when asked to move back, refused to go inside when asked, and continually argued with the police through SIX warnings that she would be arrested if she did not move back onto her property.



 

I've never surrendered any rights.

I fail to see where I have mentioned any of my own actions/experiences...

StraightShooter should take note that the above is how you (kickinA) commit a straw man fallacy.

It’s pretty obvious at this point that mrglue is a cop, a wannabe cop, has a close family member that’s a cop, is a few cards shy of a full deck, is a submissive that gets off being bossed around, and/or is trolling.

In any case I think we perhaps are wasting our time trying to educate him.

At the rate you're going and with your line of thinking, it's only a matter of time. I feel for people like yourself actually. And this is not meant to be an insult.

 Sadly that very well just may be the case.

It's odd because as a conservative leaning military man, I work with some good military friends that work in law enforcement as well. In fact, two I regularly meet and socialize with on many occasion through the years.

My point is, still I'd never condone such action, even if they were committed by them. The Navy core values of Honor, Courage, Committment takes precedence. Real friends would be able to make the distinction and understand.

I'm not sure if I ever mentioned my own behavior... even less certain that I mentioned blindly submitting to whatever cops ask... or even fear of getting in trouble...

Ironic that your line of thinking/questions is ACTUALLY the straw man fallacy that you accused me of earlier.

So, I'll leave your questions above for your straw man to answer...

That’s what I figured.

I'm not a cop, I've never applied to any law enforcement agency for employment (any position), and have no family in law enforcement, I'm not submissive (by nature or in thought) at all, and I've never really understood what trolling meant....

I do not however, think like most people seem to... So, from that perspective, I might be a few cards shy.

You were wrong on all accounts about me except one.

I guess one out of six isn't that bad...

If what you said before that is true, then it’s pretty much what you are doing right now.

She committed a crime, obstructing governmental administration, and she was charged with it. It doesn't matter whether she did it or not.

I don't know what that charge means exactly because I've never been accused of it, arrested for it, or charged with it. But I do know she probably could have avoided it by moving back or going into her house when asked.

That's probably because when cops are making an arrest I move away from the scene,

You're saying (multiple) things about me which are not true, with very little rational basis for your claims.

Is refuting those claims (with the truth) trolling?

Also note, that I haven't accused you of anything (except a poor attempt at a straw man and speaking in non sequitur) and that all of my attacks have been on your logic as presented here and not your person.

Is that trolling?

I'm not saying that ANYONE is right or wrong... I'm saying that conversations about the LAW can get very long and complicated (read boring waste of time) when the parties involved start bringing philosophical MORALITY (read RIGHT & WRONG) into the discussion. Apples and Oranges.

I wasn't implying case closed at all... just maybe a case not worth getting involved with.

For me the title (OP) was misleading because she wasn't arrested for filming a traffic stop... She was arrested for not following police instructions and charged with obstructing governmental administration. There's nothing about "filming" in there... The cop never asks her to stop filming (at one point, I think he says, "You can keep filming from inside")... It doesn't seem like he had a problem with "filming".

I'm curious as to what you think my initial argument was and what you think I'm trying to shift it to? And I'm certainly not going to LOSE an argument with you because OUR conversation has degenerated (from your side) into you making FALSE statements about my intentions and character. You make it too easy for me to "win" when all I have to do is state the truth about myself.

 If you don't know what it is then how can you say she "committed" it? She may have been charged with it but the evidence is overwhelming that she didn't commit it (I'm betting the cops had to dig deep to trump that charge up)...........I sure as hell didn't see her obstruct anyone from doing anything .............of course the evidence will probably be inadmissible for whatever reason (we all know why).

You're right... I can't say whether she committed it or not. Good point.

I'll try and spin back the clock to my original post:

"I'm no lawyer but I do know that (in many areas) the sidewalk is public property whether it's on your property or not... This woman chose to get involved with a police traffic stop and then repeatedly chose to be uncooperative with police requests/instructions... she was argumentative and created a new situation/disturbance in doing so... a whole host of charges could apply."

Her arrest could have been avoided by simply moving away from the original arrest.

Her arrest could have been avoided by simply moving away from the original arrest.


 I agree.............but then again, if the cop just concentrated on his original task & ignored her then this particular thread wouldn't even exist.

I’m only going by what I see. It doesn’t take a genius to connect the dots.

Also you are the master of the straw man:

“These people must jerk off to Orwell’s 1984 on a daily basis” = “the laws in this country are like the rules in Orwell’s 1984.”

 

What if she had a Glock tucked in her waist band behind he back? Or maybe a Tek-9? Who knows...She was a little too close for comfort and that's why the cop reacted the way he did.
She could have easily gone into her house and recorded this event. She could have also gone into her house, grabbed a gun, and started to shoot at the cops too (hypothetical situation).

The other issue is the cops are responsible for her well being. I didn't watch the whole video but I think I saw enough....what if the guy they were questioning was a murderer and somehow got hold of a gun and the female got shot? I know its a little far fetched but stranger things have happened.

When I am confronted by a police officer I usually try not to argue or debate with them, even if it is on my own property.  Sometimes common sense overides ones rights.  Unless you have a premeditated agenda.

How is it illegal to video tape the police. as long as you are not interfering.