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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2011 - 5:02 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by MrGlue:



    My bad... I assumed that your comments in the OP (cops reminding you of Training Day) were some how related to the video you posted in the OP that had cops in it.

    It didn't occur to me that someone would make comments about "cops in this country" and then post a video link of a police traffic stop (by "cops in this country") without intending a correlation...

    I apologize for being so stupid.

    At one point the arresting officer mentions she is on the sidewalk... As I mentioned before, in many areas, the sidewalk is public property. If you do something that attracts police attention on public property, you can't just step back into your yard and be immune to police involvement.

    What I do (or do not) have a problem with simply doesn't matter...

    The police in the video felt that this woman was NOT abiding the law (interfering with police business, failure to follow police instructions, creating a disturbance, etc...) and they arrested her for it. 

    I'm not sure whether the police were "right" or "wrong"... a judge will decide that for us in accordance with our laws... IF we don't like what our laws have to say about it, then we can work to change them, but we shouldn't do it by arguing with the police.

    If we did decide to do that, we might get arrested, and then start crying... because we realized how stupid we were to get involved in the first place.


    Apologize accepted.

    Unfortunately for this cop and his department the law is not subject to what he does and doesn’t think is abiding by it.

    The fact that you think a citizen filming the police against their wishes shows “how stupid they were to get involved” is pretty sad. Thank God everyone doesn’t blindly submit to authority like you do.

    Cops in this country are out of control and the videos and news reports that come out on an almost daily basis prove it. This is one of the minor examples of it, but it is an example nonetheless.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrGlue:



    My bad... I assumed that your comments in the OP (cops reminding you of Training Day) were some how related to the video you posted in the OP that had cops in it.

    It didn't occur to me that someone would make comments about "cops in this country" and then post a video link of a police traffic stop (by "cops in this country") without intending a correlation...

    I apologize for being so stupid.

    At one point the arresting officer mentions she is on the sidewalk... As I mentioned before, in many areas, the sidewalk is public property. If you do something that attracts police attention on public property, you can't just step back into your yard and be immune to police involvement.

    What I do (or do not) have a problem with simply doesn't matter...

    The police in the video felt that this woman was NOT abiding the law (interfering with police business, failure to follow police instructions, creating a disturbance, etc...) and they arrested her for it. 

    I'm not sure whether the police were "right" or "wrong"... a judge will decide that for us in accordance with our laws... IF we don't like what our laws have to say about it, then we can work to change them, but we shouldn't do it by arguing with the police.

    If we did decide to do that, we might get arrested, and then start crying... because we realized how stupid we were to get involved in the first place.


    Apologize accepted.

    Unfortunately for this cop and his department the law is not subject to what he does and doesn’t think is abiding by it.

    The fact that you think a citizen filming the police against their wishes shows “how stupid they were to get involved” is pretty sad. Thank God everyone doesn’t blindly submit to authority like you do.

    Cops in this country are out of control and the videos and news reports that come out on an almost daily basis prove it. This is one of the minor examples of it, but it is an example nonetheless.

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2011 - 5:06 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


    One of the few issues on which SS is consistently correct.

    Right back at you, goose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


    One of the few issues on which SS is consistently correct.

    Right back at you, goose.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2011 - 5:11 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by kickinA:

    What kind of a threat exactly is she posing to them? She's going to sneak up from behind and bash all of them with her camera WWE style?

    They've got the guns and outnumbered her. And she's on her own yard- private property. So what exactly did she do that warranted such? Refusing to obey an unlawful order is not a crime.

    Apparently a few members here have the opinion that cops should be able to order us to do pretty much whatever they want and if we don’t submissively obey their every demand without question (whether it be lawful or not) we should be arrested like the troublemakers we are.

    These people must jerk off to Orwell’s 1984 on a daily basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kickinA:

    What kind of a threat exactly is she posing to them? She's going to sneak up from behind and bash all of them with her camera WWE style?

    They've got the guns and outnumbered her. And she's on her own yard- private property. So what exactly did she do that warranted such? Refusing to obey an unlawful order is not a crime.

    Apparently a few members here have the opinion that cops should be able to order us to do pretty much whatever they want and if we don’t submissively obey their every demand without question (whether it be lawful or not) we should be arrested like the troublemakers we are.

    These people must jerk off to Orwell’s 1984 on a daily basis.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2011 - 5:45 PM ET #29

    Shooter, seriously man. Do you really think she's gonna win a lawsuit? That shit will get thrown out so quick, those cops will be back on the streets tormenting innocent camera-happy idiots in no time.
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    Shooter, seriously man. Do you really think she's gonna win a lawsuit? That shit will get thrown out so quick, those cops will be back on the streets tormenting innocent camera-happy idiots in no time.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2011 - 5:53 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

    Apparently a few members here have the opinion that cops should be able to order us to do pretty much whatever they want and if we don’t submissively obey their every demand without question (whether it be lawful or not) we should be arrested like the troublemakers we are.

    These people must jerk off to Orwell’s 1984 on a daily basis.



    I'm beginning to regret my involvement with this thread... but I'm a glutton for punishment so I'll roll with it...

    If a cop orders you to do something (that isn't criminal) then you can be arrested for not complying with instructions... in some states you can be arrested for something as simple as "failing to calm down"...

    Doesn't matter if you like it or not... you can't change the laws in this country by starting with the police. The laws have already been written and decided upon (by officials we appoint) by the time it gets to the law enforcement level.

    Police officers rightly/wrongfully arrest people every day... it's up to a judge to decide which... not you, or me, or some dumb idealist with a video camera.

    The laws we have in this country are nothing like the "rules" in Orwell's 1984 (interesting to note you mixing fiction w/ reality again). We can change our laws with due process, we can make them whatever we wish...


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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

    Apparently a few members here have the opinion that cops should be able to order us to do pretty much whatever they want and if we don’t submissively obey their every demand without question (whether it be lawful or not) we should be arrested like the troublemakers we are.

    These people must jerk off to Orwell’s 1984 on a daily basis.



    I'm beginning to regret my involvement with this thread... but I'm a glutton for punishment so I'll roll with it...

    If a cop orders you to do something (that isn't criminal) then you can be arrested for not complying with instructions... in some states you can be arrested for something as simple as "failing to calm down"...

    Doesn't matter if you like it or not... you can't change the laws in this country by starting with the police. The laws have already been written and decided upon (by officials we appoint) by the time it gets to the law enforcement level.

    Police officers rightly/wrongfully arrest people every day... it's up to a judge to decide which... not you, or me, or some dumb idealist with a video camera.

    The laws we have in this country are nothing like the "rules" in Orwell's 1984 (interesting to note you mixing fiction w/ reality again). We can change our laws with due process, we can make them whatever we wish...


     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2011 - 5:55 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by captaincredit:

    Shooter, seriously man. Do you really think she's gonna win a lawsuit? That shit will get thrown out so quick, those cops will be back on the streets tormenting innocent camera-happy idiots in no time.

    I was taking your ridiculous post about what the cop would do and made one about what the woman would do.

     

    "If I was the cop, I would've said "Listen you dumb-bitch, I told you 4 times, nicely, to go back in your house let us do our jobs without being disrupted. You chose to be a wise-ass movie maker & now your stupid-ass is going to jail!!""

     

    "If I was the woman I would wait until my lawsuit money came in, buy a new car, and then drive by the officer that arrested me and say “hey you dumb cocksucker, thanks for choosing to violate my civil rights and now your stupid-ass is responsible for your department having to shell out yet another lawsuit payout!!”"

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by captaincredit:

    Shooter, seriously man. Do you really think she's gonna win a lawsuit? That shit will get thrown out so quick, those cops will be back on the streets tormenting innocent camera-happy idiots in no time.

    I was taking your ridiculous post about what the cop would do and made one about what the woman would do.

     

    "If I was the cop, I would've said "Listen you dumb-bitch, I told you 4 times, nicely, to go back in your house let us do our jobs without being disrupted. You chose to be a wise-ass movie maker & now your stupid-ass is going to jail!!""

     

    "If I was the woman I would wait until my lawsuit money came in, buy a new car, and then drive by the officer that arrested me and say “hey you dumb cocksucker, thanks for choosing to violate my civil rights and now your stupid-ass is responsible for your department having to shell out yet another lawsuit payout!!”"

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2011 - 6:00 PM ET #32

    That was a clear abuse of power by the police, who were obviously uncomfortable being filmed. I'm actually curious as to the context of the original traffic stop. I feel like they may have gotten defensive because the traffic stop was illegitimate. People tend to overreact like that when they're caught doing something wrong.

    I honestly can't believe how many people on this message board find this acceptable police behavior. It was a clear violation of her civil rights. Those officers should be reprimanded at the very least.
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    That was a clear abuse of power by the police, who were obviously uncomfortable being filmed. I'm actually curious as to the context of the original traffic stop. I feel like they may have gotten defensive because the traffic stop was illegitimate. People tend to overreact like that when they're caught doing something wrong.

    I honestly can't believe how many people on this message board find this acceptable police behavior. It was a clear violation of her civil rights. Those officers should be reprimanded at the very least.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2011 - 6:01 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

    Apologize accepted.

    Unfortunately for this cop and his department the law is not subject to what he does and doesn’t think is abiding by it.

    The fact that you think a citizen filming the police against their wishes shows “how stupid they were to get involved” is pretty sad. Thank God everyone doesn’t blindly submit to authority like you do.

    Cops in this country are out of control and the videos and news reports that come out on an almost daily basis prove it. This is one of the minor examples of it, but it is an example nonetheless.

     



    The police aren't handing out free money...

    What does one hope to gain by approaching police during an arrest with a video camera?

    What does one risk by approaching police during an arrest with a video camera?

    A simple risk/reward assessment illustrates the stupidity (or maybe ignorance) of this woman's actions.

    Submitting (or not) to authority has nothing to do with it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

    Apologize accepted.

    Unfortunately for this cop and his department the law is not subject to what he does and doesn’t think is abiding by it.

    The fact that you think a citizen filming the police against their wishes shows “how stupid they were to get involved” is pretty sad. Thank God everyone doesn’t blindly submit to authority like you do.

    Cops in this country are out of control and the videos and news reports that come out on an almost daily basis prove it. This is one of the minor examples of it, but it is an example nonetheless.

     



    The police aren't handing out free money...

    What does one hope to gain by approaching police during an arrest with a video camera?

    What does one risk by approaching police during an arrest with a video camera?

    A simple risk/reward assessment illustrates the stupidity (or maybe ignorance) of this woman's actions.

    Submitting (or not) to authority has nothing to do with it...
     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2011 - 6:04 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by Werker:

    That was a clear abuse of power by the police, who were obviously uncomfortable being filmed. I'm actually curious as to the context of the original traffic stop. I feel like they may have gotten defensive because the traffic stop was illegitimate. People tend to overreact like that when they're caught doing something wrong.

    I honestly can't believe how many people on this message board find this acceptable police behavior. It was a clear violation of her civil rights. Those officers should be reprimanded at the very least.


    Which "civil right" did they violate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Werker:

    That was a clear abuse of power by the police, who were obviously uncomfortable being filmed. I'm actually curious as to the context of the original traffic stop. I feel like they may have gotten defensive because the traffic stop was illegitimate. People tend to overreact like that when they're caught doing something wrong.

    I honestly can't believe how many people on this message board find this acceptable police behavior. It was a clear violation of her civil rights. Those officers should be reprimanded at the very least.


    Which "civil right" did they violate?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2011 - 6:09 PM ET #35

    MrGlue,

    At least you're being a good sport about it, right or wrong.

    If a cop orders you to do something (that isn't criminal) then you can be arrested for not complying with instructions...

    The problem with that is those "instructions" need to be backed by the law in writing, not by someone that just happens to be wearing a badge while in the heat of the moment. Arresting and threatening someone on their own property like that in the video violates civil rights. I really don't know how they can spin it any other way. Unless there is a law that backs up what the cop did in the video, I don't know how the cop's action is defensible. Just saying.

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    MrGlue,

    At least you're being a good sport about it, right or wrong.

    If a cop orders you to do something (that isn't criminal) then you can be arrested for not complying with instructions...

    The problem with that is those "instructions" need to be backed by the law in writing, not by someone that just happens to be wearing a badge while in the heat of the moment. Arresting and threatening someone on their own property like that in the video violates civil rights. I really don't know how they can spin it any other way. Unless there is a law that backs up what the cop did in the video, I don't know how the cop's action is defensible. Just saying.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2011 - 6:11 PM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by MrGlue:



    I'm beginning to regret my involvement with this thread... but I'm a glutton for punishment so I'll roll with it...

    If a cop orders you to do something (that isn't criminal) then you can be arrested for not complying with instructions... in some states you can be arrested for something as simple as "failing to calm down"...

    Doesn't matter if you like it or not... you can't change the laws in this country by starting with the police. The laws have already been written and decided upon (by officials we appoint) by the time it gets to the law enforcement level.

    Police officers rightly/wrongfully arrest people every day... it's up to a judge to decide which... not you, or me, or some dumb idealist with a video camera.

    The laws we have in this country are nothing like the "rules" in Orwell's 1984 (interesting to note you mixing fiction w/ reality again). We can change our laws with due process, we can make them whatever we wish...


    When you have people from many different political beliefs (liberals, conservatives, libertarians) all telling you you’re wrong I can see how you would regret opening your mouth.

    Cops can arrest people for literally any reason they want. This is one of the reasons citizens should film them. There have been so many cases where the police flat out lied about what happened, but because a citizen had the camera rolling the truth came out.

    It’s a shame people like you think their rights should be violated because the cops don’t want their actions around citizens to be documented.

    I said people like you must jerk off to Orwell’s 1984. I never said the laws in this country are like the rules in Orwell’s 1984. Once again you show you’re either not smart enough to understand the reference or basically the only card you have to play is to attack strawmen.  

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    I'm beginning to regret my involvement with this thread... but I'm a glutton for punishment so I'll roll with it...

    If a cop orders you to do something (that isn't criminal) then you can be arrested for not complying with instructions... in some states you can be arrested for something as simple as "failing to calm down"...

    Doesn't matter if you like it or not... you can't change the laws in this country by starting with the police. The laws have already been written and decided upon (by officials we appoint) by the time it gets to the law enforcement level.

    Police officers rightly/wrongfully arrest people every day... it's up to a judge to decide which... not you, or me, or some dumb idealist with a video camera.

    The laws we have in this country are nothing like the "rules" in Orwell's 1984 (interesting to note you mixing fiction w/ reality again). We can change our laws with due process, we can make them whatever we wish...


    When you have people from many different political beliefs (liberals, conservatives, libertarians) all telling you you’re wrong I can see how you would regret opening your mouth.

    Cops can arrest people for literally any reason they want. This is one of the reasons citizens should film them. There have been so many cases where the police flat out lied about what happened, but because a citizen had the camera rolling the truth came out.

    It’s a shame people like you think their rights should be violated because the cops don’t want their actions around citizens to be documented.

    I said people like you must jerk off to Orwell’s 1984. I never said the laws in this country are like the rules in Orwell’s 1984. Once again you show you’re either not smart enough to understand the reference or basically the only card you have to play is to attack strawmen.  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrGlue:



    Which "civil right" did they violate?

    Freedom of movement. In this case move about within the confines of her own property without being infringed upon by the govt, etc.

     

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    Which "civil right" did they violate?

    Freedom of movement. In this case move about within the confines of her own property without being infringed upon by the govt, etc.

     

     
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    The police aren't handing out free money...

    What does one hope to gain by approaching police during an arrest with a video camera?

    What does one risk by approaching police during an arrest with a video camera?

    A simple risk/reward assessment illustrates the stupidity (or maybe ignorance) of this woman's actions.

    Submitting (or not) to authority has nothing to do with it...

    Do you really still not get it? Cops, like almost everyone else, lie all the time. The difference is when the rest of us lie about something job related it doesn’t lead to someone’s life being destroyed and them being sent to prison for 10+ years for something they didn’t do.

    This is why I, and pretty much everyone here, applaud the citizens who film cops behaving badly and bring their actions to light so cops aren’t allowed to fuck over someone for something they didn’t do.

     

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    The police aren't handing out free money...

    What does one hope to gain by approaching police during an arrest with a video camera?

    What does one risk by approaching police during an arrest with a video camera?

    A simple risk/reward assessment illustrates the stupidity (or maybe ignorance) of this woman's actions.

    Submitting (or not) to authority has nothing to do with it...

    Do you really still not get it? Cops, like almost everyone else, lie all the time. The difference is when the rest of us lie about something job related it doesn’t lead to someone’s life being destroyed and them being sent to prison for 10+ years for something they didn’t do.

    This is why I, and pretty much everyone here, applaud the citizens who film cops behaving badly and bring their actions to light so cops aren’t allowed to fuck over someone for something they didn’t do.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickinA:

    MrGlue,

    At least you're being a good sport about it, right or wrong.

    If a cop orders you to do something (that isn't criminal) then you can be arrested for not complying with instructions...

    The problem with that is those "instructions" need to be backed by the law in writing, not by someone that just happens to be wearing a badge while in the heat of the moment. Arresting and threatening someone on their own property like that in the video violates civil rights. I really don't know how they can spin it any other way. Unless there is a law that backs up what the cop did in the video, I don't know how the cop's action is defensible. Just saying.



    Lol.. A police officer can tell you to do whatever... move along, calm down, turn around and put your hands behind your back... we give him that authority/responsibility when we give him his badge. Whether you comply with those instructions or not is up to the individual.

    If you disagree with the lawfulness of those instructions OR disagree with how you were treated by failing to comply... you'll have an opportunity to take that up with a judge or a jury of your peers.

    Probably after a nice ride to the police station...

    I'm still curious about which civil right was violated.
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    MrGlue,

    At least you're being a good sport about it, right or wrong.

    If a cop orders you to do something (that isn't criminal) then you can be arrested for not complying with instructions...

    The problem with that is those "instructions" need to be backed by the law in writing, not by someone that just happens to be wearing a badge while in the heat of the moment. Arresting and threatening someone on their own property like that in the video violates civil rights. I really don't know how they can spin it any other way. Unless there is a law that backs up what the cop did in the video, I don't know how the cop's action is defensible. Just saying.



    Lol.. A police officer can tell you to do whatever... move along, calm down, turn around and put your hands behind your back... we give him that authority/responsibility when we give him his badge. Whether you comply with those instructions or not is up to the individual.

    If you disagree with the lawfulness of those instructions OR disagree with how you were treated by failing to comply... you'll have an opportunity to take that up with a judge or a jury of your peers.

    Probably after a nice ride to the police station...

    I'm still curious about which civil right was violated.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

    When you have people from many different political beliefs (liberals, conservatives, libertarians) all telling you you’re wrong I can see how you would regret opening your mouth.

    Cops can arrest people for literally any reason they want. This is one of the reasons citizens should film them. There have been so many cases where the police flat out lied about what happened, but because a citizen had the camera rolling the truth came out.

    It’s a shame people like you think their rights should be violated because the cops don’t want their actions around citizens to be documented.

    I said people like you must jerk off to Orwell’s 1984. I never said the laws in this country are like the rules in Orwell’s 1984. Once again you show you’re either not smart enough to understand the reference or basically the only card you have to play is to attack strawmen.  



    I'm not expressing regret because people disagree w/ my viewpoint. I'm expressing regret because I'm beginning to see an error in the thinking of those involved. Namely, assuming that right/wrong and legal/illegal are one in the same.

    Our laws aren't decided by logic or morality, they are dictated by rhetoric. Right/wrong has nothing to do with it.

    I'm still curious as to which "right" you think was violated.

    And again, I apologize for assuming your 1984 quote had anything to do with the topic at hand, I'm assuming that your words have some correlation to the discussion.

    I'll take everything you say as a non sequitur from here on.
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    When you have people from many different political beliefs (liberals, conservatives, libertarians) all telling you you’re wrong I can see how you would regret opening your mouth.

    Cops can arrest people for literally any reason they want. This is one of the reasons citizens should film them. There have been so many cases where the police flat out lied about what happened, but because a citizen had the camera rolling the truth came out.

    It’s a shame people like you think their rights should be violated because the cops don’t want their actions around citizens to be documented.

    I said people like you must jerk off to Orwell’s 1984. I never said the laws in this country are like the rules in Orwell’s 1984. Once again you show you’re either not smart enough to understand the reference or basically the only card you have to play is to attack strawmen.  



    I'm not expressing regret because people disagree w/ my viewpoint. I'm expressing regret because I'm beginning to see an error in the thinking of those involved. Namely, assuming that right/wrong and legal/illegal are one in the same.

    Our laws aren't decided by logic or morality, they are dictated by rhetoric. Right/wrong has nothing to do with it.

    I'm still curious as to which "right" you think was violated.

    And again, I apologize for assuming your 1984 quote had anything to do with the topic at hand, I'm assuming that your words have some correlation to the discussion.

    I'll take everything you say as a non sequitur from here on.
     
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    Mr. Glue clearly "gets it"

    Well spoken sir

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    Mr. Glue clearly "gets it"

    Well spoken sir

     
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    In a police state you would be right. Fortunately we still don't live in one YET. You must be a fan of martial law? Unlawful restraints turn you on?

    What does your logic or morality tell you about an innocent bystander, filming the ordeal on her own property being subjegated to the whims of a cop that isn't working within the confines of the law?

    And see post #37 for my definition of "right."

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    In a police state you would be right. Fortunately we still don't live in one YET. You must be a fan of martial law? Unlawful restraints turn you on?

    What does your logic or morality tell you about an innocent bystander, filming the ordeal on her own property being subjegated to the whims of a cop that isn't working within the confines of the law?

    And see post #37 for my definition of "right."

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickinA:

    Freedom of movement. In this case move about within the confines of her own property without being infringed upon by the govt, etc.

     



    Meh... I'm not sure if "Freedom Of Movement" applies... I'm under the impression that has more to do with "moving about the country" or "traveling"... I could be wrong...

    If her involvement with the arrest started on the sidewalk (which the arresting officer states and she does not deny) then the whole "confines of her own property" is a moot point.

    I think any attorney would have a tough time arguing "civil rights" here... The arresting officer warns her (at least) six times to go back inside. She remains defiant and argumentative through out with no apparent reason for doing so... If she (simply) felt her rights were being violated then she should have gone inside and called the cops.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kickinA:

    Freedom of movement. In this case move about within the confines of her own property without being infringed upon by the govt, etc.

     



    Meh... I'm not sure if "Freedom Of Movement" applies... I'm under the impression that has more to do with "moving about the country" or "traveling"... I could be wrong...

    If her involvement with the arrest started on the sidewalk (which the arresting officer states and she does not deny) then the whole "confines of her own property" is a moot point.

    I think any attorney would have a tough time arguing "civil rights" here... The arresting officer warns her (at least) six times to go back inside. She remains defiant and argumentative through out with no apparent reason for doing so... If she (simply) felt her rights were being violated then she should have gone inside and called the cops.


     
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     She was wrongfully arrested..........she broke no laws. There was 3 cops there & the ones that had their back to her didn't seem to care that she was there (you could see one turn around & glance at her).

     Cops with no fear of wrong doing shouldn't mind being taped, in fact I would think they'd welcome it. If anything had gone wrong, say the suspect tried to resist or escape, they could "subdue" him (LOL) w/o fear of public retribution because it was all vid'd.

     NOW........if they had told her "We don't feel it's safe for you to be out here because (insert reason), please go inside", then she would be smart to obey the request.

     The cop is a moron........he had two (maybe more) other cops with him & he didn't feel safe? Is this guy scared of his own shadow? What does he do when there's no back-up around......shit his pants?
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     She was wrongfully arrested..........she broke no laws. There was 3 cops there & the ones that had their back to her didn't seem to care that she was there (you could see one turn around & glance at her).

     Cops with no fear of wrong doing shouldn't mind being taped, in fact I would think they'd welcome it. If anything had gone wrong, say the suspect tried to resist or escape, they could "subdue" him (LOL) w/o fear of public retribution because it was all vid'd.

     NOW........if they had told her "We don't feel it's safe for you to be out here because (insert reason), please go inside", then she would be smart to obey the request.

     The cop is a moron........he had two (maybe more) other cops with him & he didn't feel safe? Is this guy scared of his own shadow? What does he do when there's no back-up around......shit his pants?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrGlue:



    Meh... I'm not sure if "Freedom Of Movement" applies... I'm under the impression that has more to do with "moving about the country" or "traveling"... I could be wrong...

    If her involvement with the arrest started on the sidewalk (which the arresting officer states and she does not deny) then the whole "confines of her own property" is a moot point.

    I think any attorney would have a tough time arguing "civil rights" here... The arresting officer warns her (at least) six times to go back inside. She remains defiant and argumentative through out with no apparent reason for doing so... If she (simply) felt her rights were being violated then she should have gone inside and called the cops.


    Now I think you're just being silly. Have we all been "PUNK'D!" Where's the camera?

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    Meh... I'm not sure if "Freedom Of Movement" applies... I'm under the impression that has more to do with "moving about the country" or "traveling"... I could be wrong...

    If her involvement with the arrest started on the sidewalk (which the arresting officer states and she does not deny) then the whole "confines of her own property" is a moot point.

    I think any attorney would have a tough time arguing "civil rights" here... The arresting officer warns her (at least) six times to go back inside. She remains defiant and argumentative through out with no apparent reason for doing so... If she (simply) felt her rights were being violated then she should have gone inside and called the cops.


    Now I think you're just being silly. Have we all been "PUNK'D!" Where's the camera?

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2011 - 6:59 PM ET #46

    Here's a link to an msnbc blurb about it... apparently she was charged with obstructing governmental administration.

    I have no idea what that means really but I know I have never been arrested for or charged with it...

    Can you guess why?
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    Here's a link to an msnbc blurb about it... apparently she was charged with obstructing governmental administration.

    I have no idea what that means really but I know I have never been arrested for or charged with it...

    Can you guess why?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2011 - 7:06 PM ET #47

    Quote Originally Posted by MrGlue:



    Which "civil right" did they violate?


    They violated her rights afforded to her by the 1st and 4th Amendments.

    The police had no expectation of privacy during a traffic stop on a public street with several bystanders watching nearby.
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    Which "civil right" did they violate?


    They violated her rights afforded to her by the 1st and 4th Amendments.

    The police had no expectation of privacy during a traffic stop on a public street with several bystanders watching nearby.
     
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    Of course she is going to be charged with something if they took her in. Otherwise it would be called false imprisonment.

    And I haven't been arrested or charged with anything either in my 30+ yrs, so what's your point? But unlike you, I don't surrender my rights that easily.

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    Of course she is going to be charged with something if they took her in. Otherwise it would be called false imprisonment.

    And I haven't been arrested or charged with anything either in my 30+ yrs, so what's your point? But unlike you, I don't surrender my rights that easily.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickinA:

    Now I think you're just being silly. Have we all been "PUNK'D!" Where's the camera?



    Not being silly (intentionally) at all... If a cop tells you to go back in your house and you feel that this is somehow a violation of your right to "enjoy the fresh air" then by all means FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT!

    Just don't do it with the officer in question.

    Arguing, disobeying, whatever, with cops who are attempting to do their duty is gonna wind you up in jail. And few judges will consider you "innocent"...

    If the woman really, REALLY, just wanted to enjoy the fresh air (like she says) OR video the arrest... she could have moved back onto her property or into her house. The officer even states, "I asked you to move back and you haven't moved back a foot".

    From my perspective she's an idiot idealist who has confused rightness and wrongness with the laws of the state she lives in... and she's paid the price for her idiocy... twice.


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    Now I think you're just being silly. Have we all been "PUNK'D!" Where's the camera?



    Not being silly (intentionally) at all... If a cop tells you to go back in your house and you feel that this is somehow a violation of your right to "enjoy the fresh air" then by all means FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT!

    Just don't do it with the officer in question.

    Arguing, disobeying, whatever, with cops who are attempting to do their duty is gonna wind you up in jail. And few judges will consider you "innocent"...

    If the woman really, REALLY, just wanted to enjoy the fresh air (like she says) OR video the arrest... she could have moved back onto her property or into her house. The officer even states, "I asked you to move back and you haven't moved back a foot".

    From my perspective she's an idiot idealist who has confused rightness and wrongness with the laws of the state she lives in... and she's paid the price for her idiocy... twice.


     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrGlue:



    I'm not expressing regret because people disagree w/ my viewpoint. I'm expressing regret because I'm beginning to see an error in the thinking of those involved. Namely, assuming that right/wrong and legal/illegal are one in the same.

    Our laws aren't decided by logic or morality, they are dictated by rhetoric. Right/wrong has nothing to do with it.

    I'm still curious as to which "right" you think was violated.

    And again, I apologize for assuming your 1984 quote had anything to do with the topic at hand, I'm assuming that your words have some correlation to the discussion.

    I'll take everything you say as a non sequitur from here on.

    Yes, pretty much everyone here is wrong and you are right because you say so. Well golly gee, case closed then.

    This discussion was about citizens filming cops, but you realized that was a losing battle on your part so you keep trying to shift the discussion away from that.

    If you honestly thought saying “these people must jerk off to Orwell’s 1984 on a daily basis” meant “the laws in the country are like the rules in Orwell’s 1984” then you are one of the dumbest people here.

    Keep shying away from your original argument and attacking strawmen. That seems to be all you can do.

     

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    I'm not expressing regret because people disagree w/ my viewpoint. I'm expressing regret because I'm beginning to see an error in the thinking of those involved. Namely, assuming that right/wrong and legal/illegal are one in the same.

    Our laws aren't decided by logic or morality, they are dictated by rhetoric. Right/wrong has nothing to do with it.

    I'm still curious as to which "right" you think was violated.

    And again, I apologize for assuming your 1984 quote had anything to do with the topic at hand, I'm assuming that your words have some correlation to the discussion.

    I'll take everything you say as a non sequitur from here on.

    Yes, pretty much everyone here is wrong and you are right because you say so. Well golly gee, case closed then.

    This discussion was about citizens filming cops, but you realized that was a losing battle on your part so you keep trying to shift the discussion away from that.

    If you honestly thought saying “these people must jerk off to Orwell’s 1984 on a daily basis” meant “the laws in the country are like the rules in Orwell’s 1984” then you are one of the dumbest people here.

    Keep shying away from your original argument and attacking strawmen. That seems to be all you can do.

     

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