Police Arrest Woman in Her Front Lawn For Filming Traffic Stop

This discussion was about citizens filming police officers. Now you are trying to shift it to some philosophical debate about laws and morality. 

What people like you don’t understand is that being a cop is pretty much the only job where you are regularly in a position to completely destroy someone’s life for any reason you want. If you lie about what happened it’s your word against there’s and if they have no proof you will almost always win.

It’s because of people like this lady and others who don’t blindly submit to authority that cops aren’t allowed to do whatever they want with impunity anymore. They are finally being held responsible for their actions and they don’t like it one bit.

I commented on your failure to correctly "connect the dots" about me in post #63. If you try and run me in circles then I'm done with our part of this conversation.

Your post with the 1984 quote was:

"Apparently a few members here have the opinion that cops should be able to order us to do pretty much whatever they want and if we don’t submissively obey their every demand without question (whether it be lawful or not) we should be arrested like the troublemakers we are.

These people must jerk off to Orwell’s 1984 on a daily basis."

The part in bold isn't my "opinion" of what cops should be able to do BUT it is pretty close to most of our laws. I haven't intentionally expressed that I feel those laws are "right" but I have tried to express that I'm pretty sure that's what the laws are. There's a difference there that you don't appear to see...

Your expressing (directly) that people who believe that cops should be able to tell us what to do and arrest us when we don't must jerk off to 1984.

I'm expressing (directly) that it doesn't matter which book people jerk off to... the laws are what they are... and that UNLIKE the rules in 1984 we can change our laws as we choose... just not by arguing with cops.

Let's put it this way, and I quote the character "Billy Clanton" from the movie, Tombstone,

"Wearing that badge don't make you right! Who the hell you think you are?!?!"

Pretty funny how people that usually disagree about anything political or social all agree mrglue is talking out of his ass.

Hell, pretty much the only one here that is agreeing with him is the same guy that admitted he likes to talk about men sticking their dicks in women's faces to his own daughter.

It is overwhelming how ignorant you are coming off as.

Once again you attack the strawman:

“Apparently a few members here have the opinion that cops should be able to order us to do pretty much whatever they want and if we don’t submissively obey their every demand without question (whether it be lawful or not) we should be arrested like the troublemakers we are.

These people must jerk off to Orwell’s 1984 on a daily basis."

gets turned into simply:

“People who believe that cops should be able to tell us what to do and arrest us when we don't must jerk off to 1984.”

I wish you could see how you are doing nothing, but making a complete fool of yourself.

When guys that are almost always at each other’s throats are agreeing that you are talking out of your ass you know it’s bad.

But, please, feel free to continue making a fool of yourself…

 

Lol, Ignorant of what?

You said, "THESE PEOPLE must jerk off to Orwell's 1984..."

It's perfectly rational for one to assume that "these people" you are referring to are the same people who:

"have the opinion that cops should be able to order us to do pretty much whatever they want and if we don’t submissively obey their every demand without question (whether it be lawful or not) we should be arrested like the troublemakers we are."

I substituted "believe" for "have the opinion", and "tell us what to do" for "order us to do pretty much whatever they want". and "arrest us when we don't" for "if we don't submissively obey..."

That's NOT creating a straw man, that's called paraphrasing.

AND...

I don't care how many people agree/disagree with me. I don't enter conversations with the intent of siding with the majority or getting a fan club. I enter conversations with the hope of learning something, preferably from errors in my own beliefs.

The only thing you are teaching me is how to: hide behind accusations of the straw man fallacy and claim that any logical/rational inconsistency you present is a non sequitur.

I'll make a fool of myself everyday until I die... but you are starting to bore me.

Yea its terrible to go to jail for any little thing, next thing you know gonna be goin in for farting in public.

Hey man Straight shooter is clearly an antagonist on this site...He knows he spouts off moronic concepts about irresponsible gun rights and most reasonable beliefs. It's a fucking norm for the dude, he gets off on provoking thought. I cannot disagree that thought is crucial for us a species so I can't completely dismiss his arrogance

But watching this video these cops should be brought in front of their peers as the criminals are required to do. We had a case in my city where a drunk driving cop killed a couple motorcyclists on a bs everyday run, and the dude got off because the sample of his blood wasn't state sponsored, wonder how that happened???? I have inside personal/knowledge that the dude was shown buying liquor at a CVS pharmacy hours before he killed the men at a stop light W/out seeing the tape I basically saw the tape from store managers, also saw tapes of him buying previous days

The chick never endangered shit, and obeyed laws, but she tried to show the truth

If the police force who empowered this cop to arrest her and not worry about the supposed criminal doesn't get reprimanded I have no faith in the justice system, and personally I don't think I should follow any law they may enforce My local city got in trouble a while back for being racist pulling over mexicans and african americans w/out legit cause, since this area is a mostly affluent white. Well shit hit the fan once the state got some complaints from black state cops who got harassed after getting pulled over and now this bullshit is pretty much not tolerated. Most of us respect what cops do, but this is the type of shit that they should get fired and jailed for. Abuse of power on the state/city level should be considered the same as a money fraud case. I want to see the guy spend 20 mo's in a state pen!!!

SS i apologize, I read a few comments and thought that was your point of view, I mean to say Mr glue, since those were the comments I disagreed w/. I still think you have some foolish/misguided beliefs, but at least you're not as bad as I 1st thought

What in God’s holy name are you blathering about?

People are talking about a basketball game and you are ranting about what color button the popcorn vendor was wearing as if it somehow made a point.

Like I said: people who are almost always at each other’s throats are all agreeing that you are talking out of your ass.

 

I accept your apology.

As for my “moronic concepts about irresponsible gun rights”: feel free to bump this 2nd Amendment thread that you limped off from with your tail between your legs so we can pick up the debate again.

https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=35&sub=100972593&page=1

My man, I almost went to a shooting range the other day to play w/ 1 of my boyz glocks...He actually pussied out and we just golfed, tho I think I may have been trigger shy if we showed up to Don's (I don't care about making money I just love to sell guns) crackhead. My mom is a certified .22 shooter from back in the late 60s. I just know how plaxico almost killed himself, and I know stats of gunowner's killing themselves. I recognize the need in certain states like Alaska w/ the bears and what have you, but in my state a gun is pretty much pointless unless you want to get a gun pulled on you. I think the # was if you own a gun you're 30 times more likely to get killed by a gun, pretty substantial facts/figures if you understand #'s  Since I have a 4 mo old nephew from my twin bro who lives in a house where a roommate owns some guns I think I'm legitimately/rightfully opposed

Here's a fairly neutral article from USAToday... and a not so neutral one from HuffPost.

While its obvious that Good was filming before she was arrested, I don't believe she was arrested BECAUSE she was filming. The arresting officer clearly states that she is going to be arrested for failing to follow his instructions. He never tells her to stop filming.

In fact Good's friend picks up where she leaves off and films Good's arrest! It doesn't seem like these cops had a problem with the camera at all...

Should the officer have told Good to "move back" or "go inside"? I don't know... But the police must have guidelines for keeping bystanders AWAY from arrests, suspects, suspects' vehicles, etc... I've certainly never seen police look up at bystanders during an arrest and say, "Hey, everybody crowd in here and huddle up. We don't want you staying so far away from our suspect! Move towards us, please."

It's clear that she did not follow instructions and was being argumentative with the officer. He warned her at least six times that he was going to arrest her if she didn't move back. Why not move back? She was arrested just two months before on a similar charge.. she had to know how this shit works...

Should they have arrested her? Again, I don't know... BUT I'm pretty sure that if she ever stepped off of her property (including stepping on the sidewalk) in the presence of the officers then they only need probable cause. Failure to obey is enough for that.

The dialogue around that goes something like: I'm filming you from my yard, that's my right. Cop replies, Not from the sidewalk. Good clearly moves and then says, this is my yard.

I think she was on the sidewalk...

LOL, she was on the sidewalk.

"The officer responded that she did not have the right to observe from the sidewalk. My friend immediately moved back into her grass before the sidewalk"

I think the police behavior (apart from the cops unpolished dialogue) was spot on.

AND, I think Good's stupidity had more to due with her being arrested than her camera.




 

I was referring to your statements in post #80 (NOT a button on a popcorn vendor):

1) That I am ignorant.

2) That, "Once again you attack the strawman"

In my response I asked, "Ignorant of what?" (which you didn't answer) and then I proceeded to explain that paraphrasing is NOT committing a straw man fallacy (which you ignored).

AND AGAIN you seem to ignore my comments that I don't care how many people agree/disagree with me.

I don't think you're even reading my posts at all.

Repeating myself is getting boring...

You said I had “moronic concepts about irresponsible gun rights.”

kickinA used a Tombstone quote in post #78.

Here is another one:

“You called down the thunder, well now you’ve got it!”

Since you want to talk about gun rights, bump the gun rights thread that you turned tail and ran away from:

https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=35&sub=100972593&page=1

It’s pretty obvious you aren’t the sharpest knife in the drawer so I’ll try again with you.

I posted:

“Apparently a few members here have the opinion that cops should be able to order us to do pretty much whatever they want and if we don’t submissively obey their every demand without question (whether it be lawful or not) we should be arrested like the troublemakers we are.

These people must jerk off to Orwell’s 1984 on a daily basis."

This is NOT the same thing as saying “people who believe that cops should be able to tell us what to do and arrest us when we don't must jerk off to 1984.”

I don’t see how anyone that has the mental capacity to use a computer is having trouble understanding this.

You can claim you don’t care that people from all political backgrounds (some of which are normally at each other’s throats) agree you don’t know what they fuck you’re talking about, but that doesn’t change that it just goes to show how wrong you are.

 

Sorry SS, I could only read a pg before I got turned off....The only way I would accept a gun is in dyer need, such as alaskan's who put up w/ polar bears and black bears. Otherwise every other animal species is terrified of humans, and yes it may prevent you from getting car-jacked in certain cities, I also believe it will/could lead to your death in many more. My state tried to pass a law saying that Conseco Fieldhouse or Lucas Oil should allow guns on state property, which is beyond moronic belief since I have been to Pacer/Colts games in their respective buildings where a fight would obviously and has obviously occurred, where if the respective parties held weapons SHIT WOULD'VE ended very bad. I was at the 1st pacer home game after the brawl in detroit, and to think regular ticket-holders could've carried in weapons just baffles me

I think the dick-heads in the most recent Pacer series who chanted Rose MVP would've brought on many opponents and 1 gun would've brought on another. That's how pussies fight, I gotta a gun how bout YOU ...Guess Darwin didn't consider pussies w/ guns as survival of the fittest, yeah you may be a moron w/ a gun so I guess you win Let's agree to disagree and use thought/intelligence to judge our differences, and not who owns the most accurate gun w/ ability to shoot off the most rounds. Seems like that specific war has already been fought (civil war) and the deaths associated are incredibly high. Maybe we could be more civilized and compare dick size or some shit The fact you have a big-gun doesn't mean you're right, just scarier. I don't think that's what this country is built on, we accept others point of views, and to think we terrorize each-other sounds a bit like what the radical Muslims are all about

All right, Ike. Since you won’t man up and bump the thread, I’ll do it for you.

We can continue this conversation over there.

https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=35&sub=100972593&page=4

I understand that what you wrote, and what I wrote, are NOT the same things. BUT, I believe they mean nearly the same thing (mine being a paraphrased version of yours). I won't split hairs about that though since you seem to have moved on from your straw man accusations. We can chalk that misunderstanding up to my "stupidity".

AND

Being right/wrong in belief has NOTHING to do with who agrees with us.

Being correct/incorrect in claim, and knowing/not knowing have NOTHING to do with who or who doesn't agree with us.

What IS that final run on sentence of yours? An Appeal To The Majority?

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Good Game and Good Luck.

We just need to fire all the cops now and create a citizens police force to actually serve and protect.  Take away the guns and make them learn martial arts.  Turn them into bobbies... do something because they are getting out of control.  

So saying a cop ordering someone to lay down in a puddle of water simply because they don’t like the college that is on their t-shirt is “nearly the same thing” as a cop ordering someone to let him see their license after they get pulled over for speeding?

Correcting people’s grammar now? It’s pretty obvious you don’t have a leg to stand on and are now just trying to save face.

Sorry, buddy. Its not working.

It would be like if the republican party, the democratic party, and al qaeda all agreed on a social issue. That, in it and of itself wouldn’t prove they were right, but you could make damn sure there was little chance they were wrong.

I don’t need to appeal to the majority. Take a look at the thread, pal. Liberals, conservatives, and libertarians, are all coming together in agreement of how wrong you are on a social issue.  I’ve been here for almost 5 years and that almost never happens.

Hell, pretty much the only person that agrees with you is the guy that says he likes to talk about men sticking their dicks in women’s faces to his own daughter.  

 

Exactly it would save a lot of time and money and we can all hold hands and sing and enjoy our lives.  Just have the army around to keep us from killing eachother but no one will even feel like it without the slimy oppression of the justice system.

"Hell, pretty much the only person that agrees with you is the guy that says he likes to talk about men sticking their dicks in women’s faces to his own daughter."

You have now hit an all-time low. Congrats. Hope this make you feel like a man. I'll never understand people like you & am thankful I'll probably never have to meet you in person.

I have never disrespected you, although we don't always agree on certain topics. I always thought we had good, intelligent debates. This has made me lose any respect for you I did have.Weak man, very weak.