lets talk steroids/ testosterone supplements

I am interested in learning about and listening to peoples; opinions on steroids in baseball and the legality and the effects on health.  I mean, are they really bad for us if taken a certain way?  Also, what kind was Cabrera taking?  Do you'll think they help baseball players or any athletes for that matter?  Do they give you more confidence and endurance (which is why I am considering them), lets talk about this boys!!

If you need help with confidence and endurance i'd look else where,like within.Fuck the cheating.

good point and well taken, but please explain what is cheating?? if i take creatine and it helps me, is that cheating?  if it helps us and is not harmful, why not? playing devils advocate here

bonds went from a ~.310 hitter to a .370 hitter. (73 hr and .328 in that epic year)

wait, are you saying chewing tobacco helps performance?

why in the hell would anyone take them and potentially risk their health and definitely risk their career if they didn't help?

Creatine alone aint producing those numbers.That was just the excuse Maquire used when the shit 1st hit the fan.And i love how all the talking heads pounced on Canseco and stuck up for the players.They were and are fucking cheaters.

Aint nothing you can rub on your skin gonna produce 76 -74 etc home runs.

Thats what he is saying.

i'm not following you.  what do you mean?

https://www.usatoday.com/sports/story/2012-08-15/Column-Melky-Cabrera-doping-baseball/57094506/1 how many major leaguers still use some form of performance-enhancers, in the face of the much-ballyhooed testing program.

Ive been in the health club industry for 1 5 yrs and I know a lot about juice.The only time I would recommend juice is that if u need to recover from an injury or   are just sickly small unable to get size...and only then keep it to 6 to 8 weeks then be done but pob is u will love the way it makes u workout,the size it gives u,the way ur body carves up but I know a lot of guys that dont have nuts  and their face looks puffy.I can look at a weight lifter and tell is 60 secs if ur juicing.I got off bc I value my face and jewels.It can make uo from 20 hr to 50 in 1 season..STAY AWAY..Just workout naturally..there are negative psycho effects it can have..BAD NEWS BRO..IT MAKES U A CHEATER..Big juice heads are ugly bc face looks puffy

i was going to do it with a few friends in college.  then i was told that you can't drink while you do it and that was a dealbreaker.  i ended up buying some shit at gnc and a few of them did it and there wasn't much difference.  then they took the shit i bought of the shelf at gnc so maybe i did do it.  anyway, the stuff makes a big difference. 

when i say there wasn't much difference i mean there wasn't much difference in the results between me and the gnc stuff and the other guys who injected steroids. 

jd, i don't remember what this was called.  if i saw the container or the name, i would.  it was back in the early 90's.  all i know is it worked, i didn't think the guys shooting the real stuff were doing that much better than me and they took it off the shelves pretty quickly.  my liver loved me in college. 

Former National League MVP and admitting steroid user Ken Caminiti told SI that he had used performance-enhancing drugs and believed that about as many major league players were using steroids as were playing the game clean. 

Effects of anabolic steroids in men include:

    reduced sperm count
    infertility
    shrinking of testicles
    baldness
    breast development
    increased risk of developing prostate cancer
    splayed teeth and overgrowth of the forehead (giving an 'incredible hulk' appearance)
    severe acne