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    Posted: Aug. 20, 2011 - 11:59 PM ET #351

    Quote Originally Posted by Lttlmac:

    Religion is just a word,   Look in your Bible  (if you have one)   Jesus didnt  come  to preach a religion,  He  came to tell us about  God,    Even Jesus ,  mentioned  that religion is just a word,   As for me,  I am NOT any different from anyone else,   I am a sinner also, just like everyone else,   the only difference in a Christrian and a non-christian    is    one is saved by grace, and the other is not.   Figure out which one you are.

    And why should we believe what the bible says It's a great book of stories though

    Still waiting for other sources outside the bible
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    Religion is just a word,   Look in your Bible  (if you have one)   Jesus didnt  come  to preach a religion,  He  came to tell us about  God,    Even Jesus ,  mentioned  that religion is just a word,   As for me,  I am NOT any different from anyone else,   I am a sinner also, just like everyone else,   the only difference in a Christrian and a non-christian    is    one is saved by grace, and the other is not.   Figure out which one you are.

    And why should we believe what the bible says It's a great book of stories though

    Still waiting for other sources outside the bible
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 6:00 AM ET #352

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    And why should we believe what the bible says It's a great book of stories though

    Still waiting for other sources outside the bible

    Why not?

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    And why should we believe what the bible says It's a great book of stories though

    Still waiting for other sources outside the bible

    Why not?

     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 10:03 AM ET #353

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    And why should we believe what the bible says It's a great book of stories though

    Still waiting for other sources outside the bible

     

    Believe what you want,    it is a choice  you have to make.   No one  can make it for you.

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    And why should we believe what the bible says It's a great book of stories though

    Still waiting for other sources outside the bible

     

    Believe what you want,    it is a choice  you have to make.   No one  can make it for you.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 2:01 PM ET #354

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Why not?


    Because they're aren't any outside sources that verify what is said in the bible And the bible is full of contradictions, hate, and fairytales.... And everyone can interpret the bible to fit their own agenda....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Why not?


    Because they're aren't any outside sources that verify what is said in the bible And the bible is full of contradictions, hate, and fairytales.... And everyone can interpret the bible to fit their own agenda....
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 2:02 PM ET #355

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Because they're aren't any outside sources that verify what is said in the bible And the bible is full of contradictions, hate, and fairytales.... And everyone can interpret the bible to fit their own agenda....

    there just woke up
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    Because they're aren't any outside sources that verify what is said in the bible And the bible is full of contradictions, hate, and fairytales.... And everyone can interpret the bible to fit their own agenda....

    there just woke up
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 2:49 PM ET #356

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch1976:

     

    Hey there Johhny Drake!! So you should have no problem whatsoever finding several dozen websites that expalin scientist not knowing how lightning works..I look forward to your links!!

    You should look forward on doing your own research dutch boy. You're the guy that called me offensive names believing I was saying something ridiculous but in fact it is true that scientist don't fully understand the entire phenomena of lightning and they keep studying it out in the field by using very high speed cameras. Of course they do know some things about lightning but not all of it and that's why they keep trying to learn more.

    Let this be a lesson to you in that before you open your trap in accusing someone of being an idiot make sure it's not really you who are indeed the real idiot.

    You are almost like your sister system is some ways...lol

     

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    Hey there Johhny Drake!! So you should have no problem whatsoever finding several dozen websites that expalin scientist not knowing how lightning works..I look forward to your links!!

    You should look forward on doing your own research dutch boy. You're the guy that called me offensive names believing I was saying something ridiculous but in fact it is true that scientist don't fully understand the entire phenomena of lightning and they keep studying it out in the field by using very high speed cameras. Of course they do know some things about lightning but not all of it and that's why they keep trying to learn more.

    Let this be a lesson to you in that before you open your trap in accusing someone of being an idiot make sure it's not really you who are indeed the real idiot.

    You are almost like your sister system is some ways...lol

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 2:53 PM ET #357

    QUOTE Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    And why should we believe what the bible says 
     
     
               
     
     

     

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    And why should we believe what the bible says 
     
     
               
     
     

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 3:26 PM ET #358

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    QUOTE Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    And why should we believe what the bible says 
     
     
               
     
     

     


    no other sources
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    And why should we believe what the bible says 
     
     
               
     
     

     


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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 5:59 PM ET #359

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Because they're aren't any outside sources that verify what is said in the bible And the bible is full of contradictions, hate, and fairytales.... And everyone can interpret the bible to fit their own agenda....

    So something HAS to be verified outside itself for it to be true?

    Let me put it ths way, is there any documentation outside the bible to state that the bible is NOT true?

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    Because they're aren't any outside sources that verify what is said in the bible And the bible is full of contradictions, hate, and fairytales.... And everyone can interpret the bible to fit their own agenda....

    So something HAS to be verified outside itself for it to be true?

    Let me put it ths way, is there any documentation outside the bible to state that the bible is NOT true?

     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 7:19 PM ET #360

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    So something HAS to be verified outside itself for it to be true?

    Let me put it ths way, is there any documentation outside the bible to state that the bible is NOT true?



    Hey, buddy miss me??

    All you have to do is read Genesis. I'm in the process of doing that now, on my way to reading the entire bible.. If the bible is true so is the following:

    There were days and nights without the sun.

    There were plants growing without the sun.

    Snakes can talk, even though they have no vocal cords.

    The first human was made directly from dirt in some sort of a magical incantation.

    Earth took 3 days to make but only 1 day for the whole rest of the universe.

    People can spontaneously turn into salt.

    There were no rainbows before the flood, but everything need to cause rainbows did.

    All of that is true if the bible is true. Which none of it is.

    Rostos a question i have for you is why do you even take bible literally? Especially when it's so painfully obvious that it wasn't meant to be taken that way? You'd have a much better chance at getting through to people if you took a different approach to it. Otherwise you'll just sound like a fool because you have to defend the nonsense i posted above.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    So something HAS to be verified outside itself for it to be true?

    Let me put it ths way, is there any documentation outside the bible to state that the bible is NOT true?



    Hey, buddy miss me??

    All you have to do is read Genesis. I'm in the process of doing that now, on my way to reading the entire bible.. If the bible is true so is the following:

    There were days and nights without the sun.

    There were plants growing without the sun.

    Snakes can talk, even though they have no vocal cords.

    The first human was made directly from dirt in some sort of a magical incantation.

    Earth took 3 days to make but only 1 day for the whole rest of the universe.

    People can spontaneously turn into salt.

    There were no rainbows before the flood, but everything need to cause rainbows did.

    All of that is true if the bible is true. Which none of it is.

    Rostos a question i have for you is why do you even take bible literally? Especially when it's so painfully obvious that it wasn't meant to be taken that way? You'd have a much better chance at getting through to people if you took a different approach to it. Otherwise you'll just sound like a fool because you have to defend the nonsense i posted above.






     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 8:50 PM ET #361

    Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:



    Hey, buddy miss me??

    All you have to do is read Genesis. I'm in the process of doing that now, on my way to reading the entire bible.. If the bible is true so is the following:

    There were days and nights without the sun.

    There were plants growing without the sun.

    Snakes can talk, even though they have no vocal cords.

    The first human was made directly from dirt in some sort of a magical incantation.

    Earth took 3 days to make but only 1 day for the whole rest of the universe.

    People can spontaneously turn into salt.

    There were no rainbows before the flood, but everything need to cause rainbows did.

    All of that is true if the bible is true. Which none of it is.

    Rostos a question i have for you is why do you even take bible literally? Especially when it's so painfully obvious that it wasn't meant to be taken that way? You'd have a much better chance at getting through to people if you took a different approach to it. Otherwise you'll just sound like a fool because you have to defend the nonsense i posted above.






    The bible is a LIBRARY of books put together. You do not read all the chapters with the same lense on.

    Just like when you walk into a library, there is a poetry section, an action section, a horror section, etc etc.....because they are all books in the library, are they all meant to be read the same way?

    Fool? Go through the prophecies and see how they all came true.

    You said you are going through Genesis, well , you would see that there was a beginning where EVERYONE thought the universe was eternal.

    Everyone thought the universe rested on 3 large tortouses, where as it clearly states that he "hangeth the earth of nothing", They are just 2 scientific facts in the bible that would have been impossible to know without the technology we have today...

    There are hundreds......

    You decide.....

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    Hey, buddy miss me??

    All you have to do is read Genesis. I'm in the process of doing that now, on my way to reading the entire bible.. If the bible is true so is the following:

    There were days and nights without the sun.

    There were plants growing without the sun.

    Snakes can talk, even though they have no vocal cords.

    The first human was made directly from dirt in some sort of a magical incantation.

    Earth took 3 days to make but only 1 day for the whole rest of the universe.

    People can spontaneously turn into salt.

    There were no rainbows before the flood, but everything need to cause rainbows did.

    All of that is true if the bible is true. Which none of it is.

    Rostos a question i have for you is why do you even take bible literally? Especially when it's so painfully obvious that it wasn't meant to be taken that way? You'd have a much better chance at getting through to people if you took a different approach to it. Otherwise you'll just sound like a fool because you have to defend the nonsense i posted above.






    The bible is a LIBRARY of books put together. You do not read all the chapters with the same lense on.

    Just like when you walk into a library, there is a poetry section, an action section, a horror section, etc etc.....because they are all books in the library, are they all meant to be read the same way?

    Fool? Go through the prophecies and see how they all came true.

    You said you are going through Genesis, well , you would see that there was a beginning where EVERYONE thought the universe was eternal.

    Everyone thought the universe rested on 3 large tortouses, where as it clearly states that he "hangeth the earth of nothing", They are just 2 scientific facts in the bible that would have been impossible to know without the technology we have today...

    There are hundreds......

    You decide.....

     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 11:04 PM ET #362

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    So something HAS to be verified outside itself for it to be true?

    Let me put it ths way, is there any documentation outside the bible to state that the bible is NOT true?


    You would think with all these great miracles that Jesus supposedly did, that someone outside the bible would have written about it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    So something HAS to be verified outside itself for it to be true?

    Let me put it ths way, is there any documentation outside the bible to state that the bible is NOT true?


    You would think with all these great miracles that Jesus supposedly did, that someone outside the bible would have written about it
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 11:09 PM ET #363

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    The bible is a LIBRARY of books put together. You do not read all the chapters with the same lense on.

    Just like when you walk into a library, there is a poetry section, an action section, a horror section, etc etc.....because they are all books in the library, are they all meant to be read the same way?

    Fool? Go through the prophecies and see how they all came true.

    You said you are going through Genesis, well , you would see that there was a beginning where EVERYONE thought the universe was eternal.

    Everyone thought the universe rested on 3 large tortouses, where as it clearly states that he "hangeth the earth of nothing", They are just 2 scientific facts in the bible that would have been impossible to know without the technology we have today...

    There are hundreds......

    You decide.....


    Yes it is a library of books. You have the section on fairytales, section on hate, section on murder/sacrifice, section on slavery, section on genocide, section on rape...Not the kind of library I want to be part of...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    The bible is a LIBRARY of books put together. You do not read all the chapters with the same lense on.

    Just like when you walk into a library, there is a poetry section, an action section, a horror section, etc etc.....because they are all books in the library, are they all meant to be read the same way?

    Fool? Go through the prophecies and see how they all came true.

    You said you are going through Genesis, well , you would see that there was a beginning where EVERYONE thought the universe was eternal.

    Everyone thought the universe rested on 3 large tortouses, where as it clearly states that he "hangeth the earth of nothing", They are just 2 scientific facts in the bible that would have been impossible to know without the technology we have today...

    There are hundreds......

    You decide.....


    Yes it is a library of books. You have the section on fairytales, section on hate, section on murder/sacrifice, section on slavery, section on genocide, section on rape...Not the kind of library I want to be part of...
     
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    Yes it is a library of books. You have the section on fairytales, section on hate, section on murder/sacrifice, section on slavery, section on genocide, section on rape...Not the kind of library I want to be part of...


    Oh.. I see. Then you never read or watch the news then?
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    Yes it is a library of books. You have the section on fairytales, section on hate, section on murder/sacrifice, section on slavery, section on genocide, section on rape...Not the kind of library I want to be part of...


    Oh.. I see. Then you never read or watch the news then?
     
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    Oh.. I see. Then you never read or watch the news then?

    very rarely, and I don't live my life by what I see on the news...
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    Oh.. I see. Then you never read or watch the news then?

    very rarely, and I don't live my life by what I see on the news...
     
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    You would think with all these great miracles that Jesus supposedly did, that someone outside the bible would have written about it

    IF what happened wasnt true, how do you explain the explosion in the number of Christian chruches just after Christs crucifixion and resurresction? If it never happened, why didnt the majority of people "shut it down" or why isnt there any documentation of a "counter claim" just after the bible was written that the bible is nothing but a lie? Do you think if i wrote something extrodinary today, a fellow author would investagate it and shut it down with writings if it wasnt true?

    Furthermore, why did the apostles maintain there story even though they were threatened with death?

    The reason why there wasnt a great deal written about it OUTSIDE the bible were for those reasons above.....Threat of death and the person at the time didnt believe he was the messiah cause they claim the messiah wont come to earth to serve (Jesus), but rather a very wealthy messiah to be served.....

    EVen Thomas the disciple even after seeing Jesus didnt believe until Jesus told him to put his hand through his side..... 

    Read the bible before making judgement......

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    You would think with all these great miracles that Jesus supposedly did, that someone outside the bible would have written about it

    IF what happened wasnt true, how do you explain the explosion in the number of Christian chruches just after Christs crucifixion and resurresction? If it never happened, why didnt the majority of people "shut it down" or why isnt there any documentation of a "counter claim" just after the bible was written that the bible is nothing but a lie? Do you think if i wrote something extrodinary today, a fellow author would investagate it and shut it down with writings if it wasnt true?

    Furthermore, why did the apostles maintain there story even though they were threatened with death?

    The reason why there wasnt a great deal written about it OUTSIDE the bible were for those reasons above.....Threat of death and the person at the time didnt believe he was the messiah cause they claim the messiah wont come to earth to serve (Jesus), but rather a very wealthy messiah to be served.....

    EVen Thomas the disciple even after seeing Jesus didnt believe until Jesus told him to put his hand through his side..... 

    Read the bible before making judgement......

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Yes it is a library of books. You have the section on fairytales, section on hate, section on murder/sacrifice, section on slavery, section on genocide, section on rape...Not the kind of library I want to be part of...

    So the fact that the MAJORITY of ceritified historical scholars accept the bible doesnt mean much to you then?

    You seem to be really obsessed with that part of the old testament dont you? That is the only part that you ever bring up. you never bring up anything about Christs teachings etc, it is always that part....You dont even know the society at the time, Furthermore, you are judging God. He obviously has his reasons to do what he did.....

    BTW, i follow Jesus in the new testament and his teachings, thats what we only have to know....

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    Yes it is a library of books. You have the section on fairytales, section on hate, section on murder/sacrifice, section on slavery, section on genocide, section on rape...Not the kind of library I want to be part of...

    So the fact that the MAJORITY of ceritified historical scholars accept the bible doesnt mean much to you then?

    You seem to be really obsessed with that part of the old testament dont you? That is the only part that you ever bring up. you never bring up anything about Christs teachings etc, it is always that part....You dont even know the society at the time, Furthermore, you are judging God. He obviously has his reasons to do what he did.....

    BTW, i follow Jesus in the new testament and his teachings, thats what we only have to know....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:




    All you have to do is read Genesis. I'm in the process of doing that now, on my way to reading the entire bible.. If the bible is true so is the following:

    There were days and nights without the sun.

    There were plants growing without the sun.

    Snakes can talk, even though they have no vocal cords.

    The first human was made directly from dirt in some sort of a magical incantation.

    Earth took 3 days to make but only 1 day for the whole rest of the universe.

    People can spontaneously turn into salt.

    There were no rainbows before the flood, but everything need to cause rainbows did.

    All of that is true if the bible is true. Which none of it is.


    1. There were days and nights without the sun. ( In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light "day" and the darkeness "night". And evening passed and morning came, marking the first day. ---Genesis 1:1-5)

    So you are wrong that there were days and nights without the sun, (how many days are you talking about?) because the sun was there on the 1st day of creation after the heavens and earth. It seems that you are not really reading the Holy Bible close enough and if you are then your comprehension skills and interpretation needs improvement.

    2. There were plants growing without the sun. (Then God said, "Let the land sprout with vegetation--every sort of seed-bearing plant, and trees that grow seed bearing fruit. These seeds will then produce the kinds of plants and trees from which they came." And that is what happened. The land produced vegetation---all sorts of seed-bearing plants, and trees with seed-bearing fruit. Their seeds produced plants and trees of the same kind. And God saw it was good. And evening passed and morning came, marking the third day.---Genesis 1:11-13)

    So you are wrong again by saying there were plants growing without the sun. So again you are not reading the Holy Bible close enough and if you are then your comprehension skills and interpretation needs improvement.

    3. Snakes can talk, even though they have no vocal cords. (In the Garden of Eden the serpent was the shrewdest of all the wild animals the Lord God had made. After God found out the serpent deceived Adam & Eve, God cursed the serpent)

    4. The first human was made directly from dirt in some sort of a magical incantation. (Then God said, "Let us make human beings in our image, to be like ourselves. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground."---Genesis 1:26)

    So again you are wrong is saying Adam was made directly from dirt. God didn't tell us in great detail how he created Adam.


    5. Earth took 3 days to make but only 1 day for the whole rest of the universe. Again you are wrong the earth was created on the first day along with the heavens. It took the Lord seven days to finish his creation...amen!

    6. People can spontaneously turn into salt. ( Lot's wife turned into a pillar of salt when she looked back at the city that God was destroying)

    7. There were no rainbows before the flood, but everything need to cause rainbows did. (Ha?
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    All you have to do is read Genesis. I'm in the process of doing that now, on my way to reading the entire bible.. If the bible is true so is the following:

    There were days and nights without the sun.

    There were plants growing without the sun.

    Snakes can talk, even though they have no vocal cords.

    The first human was made directly from dirt in some sort of a magical incantation.

    Earth took 3 days to make but only 1 day for the whole rest of the universe.

    People can spontaneously turn into salt.

    There were no rainbows before the flood, but everything need to cause rainbows did.

    All of that is true if the bible is true. Which none of it is.


    1. There were days and nights without the sun. ( In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light "day" and the darkeness "night". And evening passed and morning came, marking the first day. ---Genesis 1:1-5)

    So you are wrong that there were days and nights without the sun, (how many days are you talking about?) because the sun was there on the 1st day of creation after the heavens and earth. It seems that you are not really reading the Holy Bible close enough and if you are then your comprehension skills and interpretation needs improvement.

    2. There were plants growing without the sun. (Then God said, "Let the land sprout with vegetation--every sort of seed-bearing plant, and trees that grow seed bearing fruit. These seeds will then produce the kinds of plants and trees from which they came." And that is what happened. The land produced vegetation---all sorts of seed-bearing plants, and trees with seed-bearing fruit. Their seeds produced plants and trees of the same kind. And God saw it was good. And evening passed and morning came, marking the third day.---Genesis 1:11-13)

    So you are wrong again by saying there were plants growing without the sun. So again you are not reading the Holy Bible close enough and if you are then your comprehension skills and interpretation needs improvement.

    3. Snakes can talk, even though they have no vocal cords. (In the Garden of Eden the serpent was the shrewdest of all the wild animals the Lord God had made. After God found out the serpent deceived Adam & Eve, God cursed the serpent)

    4. The first human was made directly from dirt in some sort of a magical incantation. (Then God said, "Let us make human beings in our image, to be like ourselves. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground."---Genesis 1:26)

    So again you are wrong is saying Adam was made directly from dirt. God didn't tell us in great detail how he created Adam.


    5. Earth took 3 days to make but only 1 day for the whole rest of the universe. Again you are wrong the earth was created on the first day along with the heavens. It took the Lord seven days to finish his creation...amen!

    6. People can spontaneously turn into salt. ( Lot's wife turned into a pillar of salt when she looked back at the city that God was destroying)

    7. There were no rainbows before the flood, but everything need to cause rainbows did. (Ha?
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    Do you have a better explanation how everything was created mrgetrich if it wasn't by the hands of our Creator the Lord Almighty?
     
    I eagerly await your answer. (let me guess...everything just popped up by itself with no help from anyone or anything)...lol
     
     
     
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    Do you have a better explanation how everything was created mrgetrich if it wasn't by the hands of our Creator the Lord Almighty?
     
    I eagerly await your answer. (let me guess...everything just popped up by itself with no help from anyone or anything)...lol
     
     
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    The bible is a LIBRARY of books put together. You do not read all the chapters with the same lense on.

    Just like when you walk into a library, there is a poetry section, an action section, a horror section, etc etc.....because they are all books in the library, are they all meant to be read the same way?

    Fool? Go through the prophecies and see how they all came true.

    You said you are going through Genesis, well , you would see that there was a beginning where EVERYONE thought the universe was eternal.

    Everyone thought the universe rested on 3 large tortouses, where as it clearly states that he "hangeth the earth of nothing", They are just 2 scientific facts in the bible that would have been impossible to know without the technology we have today...

    There are hundreds......

    You decide.....



    Books put together by men, based on what books were most popular at the time. Seems to me God had nothing to do with that at all.

    "Fool? Go through the prophecies and see how they all came true."

    Yeah, because they were added after the events happened...seems like this happend an awful lot.

    https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44117239/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/?gt1=43001#.TlLOf6gX-So

    The Book of Jeremiah is now one-seventh longer than the one that appears in some of the 2,000-year-old manuscripts known as the Dead Sea Scrolls.

    Some verses, including ones containing a prophecy about the seizure and return of Temple implements by Babylonian soldiers, appear to have been added after the events happened."


    "You said you are going through Genesis, well , you would see that there was a beginning where EVERYONE thought the universe was eternal. "

    Well holy shit!! That proves the Christian God is real? Really?  What about all the other errors that i listed that you flat out ignored? They should have been well aware of these things since they knew the universe had a beginning. Let's go over them again and maybe this time you can explain how they got these things so wrong since they knew so much.

    There were days and nights without the sun.

    There were plants growing without the sun.

    Snakes can talk, even though they have no vocal cords.

    The first human was made directly from dirt in some sort of a magical incantation.

    Earth took 3 days to make but only 1 day for the whole rest of the universe.

    People can spontaneously turn into salt.

    There were no rainbows before the flood, but everything need to cause rainbows did.








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    The bible is a LIBRARY of books put together. You do not read all the chapters with the same lense on.

    Just like when you walk into a library, there is a poetry section, an action section, a horror section, etc etc.....because they are all books in the library, are they all meant to be read the same way?

    Fool? Go through the prophecies and see how they all came true.

    You said you are going through Genesis, well , you would see that there was a beginning where EVERYONE thought the universe was eternal.

    Everyone thought the universe rested on 3 large tortouses, where as it clearly states that he "hangeth the earth of nothing", They are just 2 scientific facts in the bible that would have been impossible to know without the technology we have today...

    There are hundreds......

    You decide.....



    Books put together by men, based on what books were most popular at the time. Seems to me God had nothing to do with that at all.

    "Fool? Go through the prophecies and see how they all came true."

    Yeah, because they were added after the events happened...seems like this happend an awful lot.

    https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44117239/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/?gt1=43001#.TlLOf6gX-So

    The Book of Jeremiah is now one-seventh longer than the one that appears in some of the 2,000-year-old manuscripts known as the Dead Sea Scrolls.

    Some verses, including ones containing a prophecy about the seizure and return of Temple implements by Babylonian soldiers, appear to have been added after the events happened."


    "You said you are going through Genesis, well , you would see that there was a beginning where EVERYONE thought the universe was eternal. "

    Well holy shit!! That proves the Christian God is real? Really?  What about all the other errors that i listed that you flat out ignored? They should have been well aware of these things since they knew the universe had a beginning. Let's go over them again and maybe this time you can explain how they got these things so wrong since they knew so much.

    There were days and nights without the sun.

    There were plants growing without the sun.

    Snakes can talk, even though they have no vocal cords.

    The first human was made directly from dirt in some sort of a magical incantation.

    Earth took 3 days to make but only 1 day for the whole rest of the universe.

    People can spontaneously turn into salt.

    There were no rainbows before the flood, but everything need to cause rainbows did.








     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    1. There were days and nights without the sun. ( In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light "day" and the darkeness "night". And evening passed and morning came, marking the first day. ---Genesis 1:1-5)

    So you are wrong that there were days and nights without the sun, (how many days are you talking about?) because the sun was there on the 1st day of creation after the heavens and earth. It seems that you are not really reading the Holy Bible close enough and if you are then your comprehension skills and interpretation needs improvement.

    2. There were plants growing without the sun. (Then God said, "Let the land sprout with vegetation--every sort of seed-bearing plant, and trees that grow seed bearing fruit. These seeds will then produce the kinds of plants and trees from which they came." And that is what happened. The land produced vegetation---all sorts of seed-bearing plants, and trees with seed-bearing fruit. Their seeds produced plants and trees of the same kind. And God saw it was good. And evening passed and morning came, marking the third day.---Genesis 1:11-13)

    So you are wrong again by saying there were plants growing without the sun. So again you are not reading the Holy Bible close enough and if you are then your comprehension skills and interpretation needs improvement.

    3. Snakes can talk, even though they have no vocal cords. (In the Garden of Eden the serpent was the shrewdest of all the wild animals the Lord God had made. After God found out the serpent deceived Adam & Eve, God cursed the serpent)

    4. The first human was made directly from dirt in some sort of a magical incantation. (Then God said, "Let us make human beings in our image, to be like ourselves. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground."---Genesis 1:26)

    So again you are wrong is saying Adam was made directly from dirt. God didn't tell us in great detail how he created Adam.


    5. Earth took 3 days to make but only 1 day for the whole rest of the universe. Again you are wrong the earth was created on the first day along with the heavens. It took the Lord seven days to finish his creation...amen!

    6. People can spontaneously turn into salt. ( Lot's wife turned into a pillar of salt when she looked back at the city that God was destroying)

    7. There were no rainbows before the flood, but everything need to cause rainbows did. (Ha?
    )



    1. If you read the bible son, the sun does not appear until day four.

    And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

    So you see, there was no sun on day one, or when the plants were growing. You can't have days with the sun, period!!!  There is no other way to measure days/nights. And plants grow by photosynthesis, which can't happen without a sun either!!

    The events described in genesis are simply impossible.

    2.  Plants grew on day three, before the sun.

    Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

    3. Yes, God made a talking snake whose purpose was what???  Do you think it did what it was created to do?

    4. Adam was made from dirt. Genesis 2:7

    Then the LORD God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

    ***FUCKING MAGIC****

    5. God, according to the story was not completely done with earth until the third day. On the fourth day he created the sun, moon and stars. It makes no sense that it should take God longer to make this tiny planet vs the rest of the universe. But it did, because the writers of the bible didn't know how big the universe was. Stars were small to them, the earth was huge. So obviously earth longer!! Duh!

    6. And you believed that actually happened?

    7.  No response????

    So,  Is there anything else you would like to be wrong about?



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    1. There were days and nights without the sun. ( In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light "day" and the darkeness "night". And evening passed and morning came, marking the first day. ---Genesis 1:1-5)

    So you are wrong that there were days and nights without the sun, (how many days are you talking about?) because the sun was there on the 1st day of creation after the heavens and earth. It seems that you are not really reading the Holy Bible close enough and if you are then your comprehension skills and interpretation needs improvement.

    2. There were plants growing without the sun. (Then God said, "Let the land sprout with vegetation--every sort of seed-bearing plant, and trees that grow seed bearing fruit. These seeds will then produce the kinds of plants and trees from which they came." And that is what happened. The land produced vegetation---all sorts of seed-bearing plants, and trees with seed-bearing fruit. Their seeds produced plants and trees of the same kind. And God saw it was good. And evening passed and morning came, marking the third day.---Genesis 1:11-13)

    So you are wrong again by saying there were plants growing without the sun. So again you are not reading the Holy Bible close enough and if you are then your comprehension skills and interpretation needs improvement.

    3. Snakes can talk, even though they have no vocal cords. (In the Garden of Eden the serpent was the shrewdest of all the wild animals the Lord God had made. After God found out the serpent deceived Adam & Eve, God cursed the serpent)

    4. The first human was made directly from dirt in some sort of a magical incantation. (Then God said, "Let us make human beings in our image, to be like ourselves. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground."---Genesis 1:26)

    So again you are wrong is saying Adam was made directly from dirt. God didn't tell us in great detail how he created Adam.


    5. Earth took 3 days to make but only 1 day for the whole rest of the universe. Again you are wrong the earth was created on the first day along with the heavens. It took the Lord seven days to finish his creation...amen!

    6. People can spontaneously turn into salt. ( Lot's wife turned into a pillar of salt when she looked back at the city that God was destroying)

    7. There were no rainbows before the flood, but everything need to cause rainbows did. (Ha?
    )



    1. If you read the bible son, the sun does not appear until day four.

    And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

    So you see, there was no sun on day one, or when the plants were growing. You can't have days with the sun, period!!!  There is no other way to measure days/nights. And plants grow by photosynthesis, which can't happen without a sun either!!

    The events described in genesis are simply impossible.

    2.  Plants grew on day three, before the sun.

    Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

    3. Yes, God made a talking snake whose purpose was what???  Do you think it did what it was created to do?

    4. Adam was made from dirt. Genesis 2:7

    Then the LORD God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

    ***FUCKING MAGIC****

    5. God, according to the story was not completely done with earth until the third day. On the fourth day he created the sun, moon and stars. It makes no sense that it should take God longer to make this tiny planet vs the rest of the universe. But it did, because the writers of the bible didn't know how big the universe was. Stars were small to them, the earth was huge. So obviously earth longer!! Duh!

    6. And you believed that actually happened?

    7.  No response????

    So,  Is there anything else you would like to be wrong about?



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Do you have a better explanation how everything was created mrgetrich if it wasn't by the hands of our Creator the Lord Almighty?
     
    I eagerly await your answer. (let me guess...everything just popped up by itself with no help from anyone or anything)...lol
     
     
     


    I don't know, I just don't believe your bullshit story.








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    Do you have a better explanation how everything was created mrgetrich if it wasn't by the hands of our Creator the Lord Almighty?
     
    I eagerly await your answer. (let me guess...everything just popped up by itself with no help from anyone or anything)...lol
     
     
     


    I don't know, I just don't believe your bullshit story.








     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:


    EVen Thomas the disciple even after seeing Jesus didnt believe until Jesus told him to put his hand through his side..... 




    Well tell Jesus to bring his zombie ass back here so i can do the same thing. It's only fair.
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    EVen Thomas the disciple even after seeing Jesus didnt believe until Jesus told him to put his hand through his side..... 




    Well tell Jesus to bring his zombie ass back here so i can do the same thing. It's only fair.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:



    I don't know, I just don't believe your bullshit story.

    So if you don't believe God created everything then it's like you're saying everything just popped into existence by itself....that just doesn't make sense.

    And if you don't know, how can you have an attitude that in your perspective it can't be that God is the Creator and sound sure about it?

    And it's not my story but it's God telling us through the Holy Bible that he is the Creator and I believe it along with 2 to 3 billion other people worldwide.

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    I don't know, I just don't believe your bullshit story.

    So if you don't believe God created everything then it's like you're saying everything just popped into existence by itself....that just doesn't make sense.

    And if you don't know, how can you have an attitude that in your perspective it can't be that God is the Creator and sound sure about it?

    And it's not my story but it's God telling us through the Holy Bible that he is the Creator and I believe it along with 2 to 3 billion other people worldwide.

     
     
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    I don't know, I just don't believe your bullshit story.








    Why havent you responded to posts 366 and 367?

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    I don't know, I just don't believe your bullshit story.








    Why havent you responded to posts 366 and 367?

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