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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2011 - 3:01 AM ET #326

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch1976:

     

    You call me a fool but you don't understand the difference between instinct and conscience thought. You're a joke.

    So if i see someone in a house fire, high risk, i know if i go in there , the chances that i might die is very high, but i am going in there cause it might mean i will get laid? I think i have heard everything now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch1976:

     

    You call me a fool but you don't understand the difference between instinct and conscience thought. You're a joke.

    So if i see someone in a house fire, high risk, i know if i go in there , the chances that i might die is very high, but i am going in there cause it might mean i will get laid? I think i have heard everything now.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2011 - 3:05 AM ET #327

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    I'm sorry guys. I can't do this anymore. There's no point. This will be my final post. There have been so many stupid comments here, but nothing tops the claim that scientists don't know how lightning works...yes they do...they completely understand it and can probably recreate it if they wanted to (after all, they can almost recreate a supernova, i think they can manage lightning). I'm also sick of being asked to prove that which doesn't need to be proved. I am not making a claim that something magical exists. Therefore, I don't have to prove anything. The burden of proof always rests with the side making the claim, especially when that claim defies the laws of physics. If you want me to believe the laws of physics can be broken by anyone or anything, you have to prove it, I don't have to prove that the laws of physics can't be broken. That's how experiments work. Evolution is not about passing on your genes. It is about adapting to your environment. It is a process. It is a how, not a why...stop conflating the two. Here is a fact: the bible was written by over 40 authors over the course of 1500 years. Try playing a game of "telephone" with 39 friends and see what the phrase ends up being when it gets back to you. That's all you need to know to debunk the bible as a valid source (not to mention the fallacies, contradictions, and parts that literally have a 0% chance of being true-but we disregard those as "metaphors" because they don't conform to what the drone wants the bible to be). In conclusion, even though we cannot disprove the existence of god, we already know with 100% certainty it isn't absolutely necessary to invoke a creator to explain the universe so if you do so, you are doing it by choice, because you believe, not because there has to be one. So, is it still theoretically possible there is a god? Yes. But those odds are undoubtedly below 50% and if I were to place a line on it, I'd say No God -100000000. Yes God +50000000. It's been real folks. I promise I will not be responding to any future questions. Good luck to those that take over for me. I am done.

    Something from nothing is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    I'm sorry guys. I can't do this anymore. There's no point. This will be my final post. There have been so many stupid comments here, but nothing tops the claim that scientists don't know how lightning works...yes they do...they completely understand it and can probably recreate it if they wanted to (after all, they can almost recreate a supernova, i think they can manage lightning). I'm also sick of being asked to prove that which doesn't need to be proved. I am not making a claim that something magical exists. Therefore, I don't have to prove anything. The burden of proof always rests with the side making the claim, especially when that claim defies the laws of physics. If you want me to believe the laws of physics can be broken by anyone or anything, you have to prove it, I don't have to prove that the laws of physics can't be broken. That's how experiments work. Evolution is not about passing on your genes. It is about adapting to your environment. It is a process. It is a how, not a why...stop conflating the two. Here is a fact: the bible was written by over 40 authors over the course of 1500 years. Try playing a game of "telephone" with 39 friends and see what the phrase ends up being when it gets back to you. That's all you need to know to debunk the bible as a valid source (not to mention the fallacies, contradictions, and parts that literally have a 0% chance of being true-but we disregard those as "metaphors" because they don't conform to what the drone wants the bible to be). In conclusion, even though we cannot disprove the existence of god, we already know with 100% certainty it isn't absolutely necessary to invoke a creator to explain the universe so if you do so, you are doing it by choice, because you believe, not because there has to be one. So, is it still theoretically possible there is a god? Yes. But those odds are undoubtedly below 50% and if I were to place a line on it, I'd say No God -100000000. Yes God +50000000. It's been real folks. I promise I will not be responding to any future questions. Good luck to those that take over for me. I am done.

    Something from nothing is?

     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2011 - 3:06 AM ET #328

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Yes I'm serious dutch boy! Just recently I was watching a program on either the Discovery Channel or the Weather Channel, can't remember exactly which it was but it was about lightning. I clearly heard them say that scientists still don't fully understand the causes of lightning. These guys had all these high speed cameras aimed at the sky hoping for lightning strikes so they could evaluate what they see.

    So dutch boy you better start watching some discovery channel or weather channel more often to learn something....stupid!...lol

    You are correct on this point.  The method of cloud charging still cannot be fully explained yet.  But in due time, they will figure it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Yes I'm serious dutch boy! Just recently I was watching a program on either the Discovery Channel or the Weather Channel, can't remember exactly which it was but it was about lightning. I clearly heard them say that scientists still don't fully understand the causes of lightning. These guys had all these high speed cameras aimed at the sky hoping for lightning strikes so they could evaluate what they see.

    So dutch boy you better start watching some discovery channel or weather channel more often to learn something....stupid!...lol

    You are correct on this point.  The method of cloud charging still cannot be fully explained yet.  But in due time, they will figure it out.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2011 - 9:26 AM ET #329

    Yes Kitty Katz the Bible was written by many witnesses, it has been proven very consistant.  e.g. Dead Sea Scrolls.

    Wishing you well.

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    Yes Kitty Katz the Bible was written by many witnesses, it has been proven very consistant.  e.g. Dead Sea Scrolls.

    Wishing you well.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2011 - 9:29 AM ET #330

    God is subtle - yet profound and unmistakeably Holy.
    He does not co-mingle with the profane.If he calls you(faith)you get to realize it as you tune in and practice obedience(not sinning)The Holy Spirit convicts you of your practice of wrongdoings(an acutely refined conscience)and as you abandon those practices -something of extraordinary value displaces it.This foundation gets built upon "line upon line -precept upon precept'
    The anger of misunderstanding diminishes - you begin to cherish God's exacting nature and learn to rely upon it
    He is truly majestic and if you are His inheritance -as many of us truly are - we come to get an inkling of this.
    Remember this is all HIs Idea-(creation)
    Pray for your enemies
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    God is subtle - yet profound and unmistakeably Holy.
    He does not co-mingle with the profane.If he calls you(faith)you get to realize it as you tune in and practice obedience(not sinning)The Holy Spirit convicts you of your practice of wrongdoings(an acutely refined conscience)and as you abandon those practices -something of extraordinary value displaces it.This foundation gets built upon "line upon line -precept upon precept'
    The anger of misunderstanding diminishes - you begin to cherish God's exacting nature and learn to rely upon it
    He is truly majestic and if you are His inheritance -as many of us truly are - we come to get an inkling of this.
    Remember this is all HIs Idea-(creation)
    Pray for your enemies
     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2011 - 9:44 AM ET #331

    Quote Originally Posted by Waz44:

    God is subtle - yet profound and unmistakeably Holy.
    He does not co-mingle with the profane.If he calls you(faith)you get to realize it as you tune in and practice obedience(not sinning)The Holy Spirit convicts you of your practice of wrongdoings(an acutely refined conscience)and as you abandon those practices -something of extraordinary value displaces it.This foundation gets built upon "line upon line -precept upon precept'
    The anger of misunderstanding diminishes - you begin to cherish God's exacting nature and learn to rely upon it
    He is truly majestic and if you are His inheritance -as many of us truly are - we come to get an inkling of this.
    Remember this is all HIs Idea-(creation)
    Pray for your enemies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waz44:

    God is subtle - yet profound and unmistakeably Holy.
    He does not co-mingle with the profane.If he calls you(faith)you get to realize it as you tune in and practice obedience(not sinning)The Holy Spirit convicts you of your practice of wrongdoings(an acutely refined conscience)and as you abandon those practices -something of extraordinary value displaces it.This foundation gets built upon "line upon line -precept upon precept'
    The anger of misunderstanding diminishes - you begin to cherish God's exacting nature and learn to rely upon it
    He is truly majestic and if you are His inheritance -as many of us truly are - we come to get an inkling of this.
    Remember this is all HIs Idea-(creation)
    Pray for your enemies

     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2011 - 10:59 AM ET #332

    Quote Originally Posted by Waz44:

    God is subtle - yet profound and unmistakeably Holy.
    He does not co-mingle with the profane.If he calls you(faith)you get to realize it as you tune in and practice obedience(not sinning)The Holy Spirit convicts you of your practice of wrongdoings(an acutely refined conscience)and as you abandon those practices -something of extraordinary value displaces it.This foundation gets built upon "line upon line -precept upon precept'
    The anger of misunderstanding diminishes - you begin to cherish God's exacting nature and learn to rely upon it
    He is truly majestic and if you are His inheritance -as many of us truly are - we come to get an inkling of this.
    Remember this is all HIs Idea-(creation)
    Pray for your enemies

    Aren't you special...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Waz44:

    God is subtle - yet profound and unmistakeably Holy.
    He does not co-mingle with the profane.If he calls you(faith)you get to realize it as you tune in and practice obedience(not sinning)The Holy Spirit convicts you of your practice of wrongdoings(an acutely refined conscience)and as you abandon those practices -something of extraordinary value displaces it.This foundation gets built upon "line upon line -precept upon precept'
    The anger of misunderstanding diminishes - you begin to cherish God's exacting nature and learn to rely upon it
    He is truly majestic and if you are His inheritance -as many of us truly are - we come to get an inkling of this.
    Remember this is all HIs Idea-(creation)
    Pray for your enemies

    Aren't you special...


     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2011 - 11:00 AM ET #333

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Still waiting for those other sources

    You would think if their were thousands of witnesses, there would be other people (outside the bible) writing about it


    Still waiting....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Still waiting for those other sources

    You would think if their were thousands of witnesses, there would be other people (outside the bible) writing about it


    Still waiting....
     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2011 - 11:01 AM ET #334

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    I'm sorry guys. I can't do this anymore. There's no point. This will be my final post. There have been so many stupid comments here, but nothing tops the claim that scientists don't know how lightning works...yes they do...they completely understand it and can probably recreate it if they wanted to (after all, they can almost recreate a supernova, i think they can manage lightning). I'm also sick of being asked to prove that which doesn't need to be proved. I am not making a claim that something magical exists. Therefore, I don't have to prove anything. The burden of proof always rests with the side making the claim, especially when that claim defies the laws of physics. If you want me to believe the laws of physics can be broken by anyone or anything, you have to prove it, I don't have to prove that the laws of physics can't be broken. That's how experiments work. Evolution is not about passing on your genes. It is about adapting to your environment. It is a process. It is a how, not a why...stop conflating the two. Here is a fact: the bible was written by over 40 authors over the course of 1500 years. Try playing a game of "telephone" with 39 friends and see what the phrase ends up being when it gets back to you. That's all you need to know to debunk the bible as a valid source (not to mention the fallacies, contradictions, and parts that literally have a 0% chance of being true-but we disregard those as "metaphors" because they don't conform to what the drone wants the bible to be). In conclusion, even though we cannot disprove the existence of god, we already know with 100% certainty it isn't absolutely necessary to invoke a creator to explain the universe so if you do so, you are doing it by choice, because you believe, not because there has to be one. So, is it still theoretically possible there is a god? Yes. But those odds are undoubtedly below 50% and if I were to place a line on it, I'd say No God -100000000. Yes God +50000000. It's been real folks. I promise I will not be responding to any future questions. Good luck to those that take over for me. I am done.



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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    I'm sorry guys. I can't do this anymore. There's no point. This will be my final post. There have been so many stupid comments here, but nothing tops the claim that scientists don't know how lightning works...yes they do...they completely understand it and can probably recreate it if they wanted to (after all, they can almost recreate a supernova, i think they can manage lightning). I'm also sick of being asked to prove that which doesn't need to be proved. I am not making a claim that something magical exists. Therefore, I don't have to prove anything. The burden of proof always rests with the side making the claim, especially when that claim defies the laws of physics. If you want me to believe the laws of physics can be broken by anyone or anything, you have to prove it, I don't have to prove that the laws of physics can't be broken. That's how experiments work. Evolution is not about passing on your genes. It is about adapting to your environment. It is a process. It is a how, not a why...stop conflating the two. Here is a fact: the bible was written by over 40 authors over the course of 1500 years. Try playing a game of "telephone" with 39 friends and see what the phrase ends up being when it gets back to you. That's all you need to know to debunk the bible as a valid source (not to mention the fallacies, contradictions, and parts that literally have a 0% chance of being true-but we disregard those as "metaphors" because they don't conform to what the drone wants the bible to be). In conclusion, even though we cannot disprove the existence of god, we already know with 100% certainty it isn't absolutely necessary to invoke a creator to explain the universe so if you do so, you are doing it by choice, because you believe, not because there has to be one. So, is it still theoretically possible there is a god? Yes. But those odds are undoubtedly below 50% and if I were to place a line on it, I'd say No God -100000000. Yes God +50000000. It's been real folks. I promise I will not be responding to any future questions. Good luck to those that take over for me. I am done.



     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2011 - 11:11 AM ET #335

    i agree.  perhaps nothing encapsulates the rostos/drake position better than the statement, scientists don't know how lightning works.  let's end this thread on that one.

    however, i remain unconvinced by KK's position and have been persuaded, at least partially, by the rostos/drake side.  for that reason, i am already working on the next religion thread tentatively entitled: rainbows are the pathway to heaven and the infidels KK and system can't prove us wrong because they've never climbed one. 

    i expect KK to join that thread and try to disprove me with all that logic and science mumbo jumbo they apparently teach in schools outside of the bible belt. 

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    i agree.  perhaps nothing encapsulates the rostos/drake position better than the statement, scientists don't know how lightning works.  let's end this thread on that one.

    however, i remain unconvinced by KK's position and have been persuaded, at least partially, by the rostos/drake side.  for that reason, i am already working on the next religion thread tentatively entitled: rainbows are the pathway to heaven and the infidels KK and system can't prove us wrong because they've never climbed one. 

    i expect KK to join that thread and try to disprove me with all that logic and science mumbo jumbo they apparently teach in schools outside of the bible belt. 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2011 - 12:01 PM ET #336

    the schools have done so well since taking god out of them

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    the schools have done so well since taking god out of them

     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2011 - 12:08 PM ET #337

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Aren't you special...


     

    Aren't you a fuckin pedophile you sick fuck !

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    Aren't you special...


     

    Aren't you a fuckin pedophile you sick fuck !

     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2011 - 12:36 PM ET #338

    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    the schools have done so well since taking god out of them

    i'm not exactly sure what you mean.  i can only go by my own experience but there weren't any gods in my schools which were mostly public, some private (except for the time we watched clash of the titans for a project we did).  thankfully, in my schools, we wore the school philosophy as part of our uniforms. 

    if one god or another is in certain schools, i would guess those are mostly in the bible belt states where graduation rates seem to be generally problematic as compared to other regions of the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    the schools have done so well since taking god out of them

    i'm not exactly sure what you mean.  i can only go by my own experience but there weren't any gods in my schools which were mostly public, some private (except for the time we watched clash of the titans for a project we did).  thankfully, in my schools, we wore the school philosophy as part of our uniforms. 

    if one god or another is in certain schools, i would guess those are mostly in the bible belt states where graduation rates seem to be generally problematic as compared to other regions of the country.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2011 - 12:39 PM ET #339

    Club how old are you?

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    Club how old are you?

     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2011 - 1:01 PM ET #340

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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2011 - 1:18 PM ET #341

    (my spellcheck keeps freezing so sorry, it's not gonning to be pretty)

    The left took God out of schools sex,guns,drugs are fine to have though

    Club no one can prove God. Science is not 100% sure about how things became, but this doesn't make it unuseful, i love science (science degree), science is nothing less than Vital. I feel Religon(cathloics) has done a lot to oppress science, very sad. Jesus told a man to put mud on his eyes and he would see, why do this? he could have just made the blind man see, a snap of the finger.people often read these stories and only see a "what" but never ask why,how. I feel Jesus adores science and medican. Einstein wrote about science and religion being branches of the same tree. some of us worship the creator, some of us worship the creation.

     

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    (my spellcheck keeps freezing so sorry, it's not gonning to be pretty)

    The left took God out of schools sex,guns,drugs are fine to have though

    Club no one can prove God. Science is not 100% sure about how things became, but this doesn't make it unuseful, i love science (science degree), science is nothing less than Vital. I feel Religon(cathloics) has done a lot to oppress science, very sad. Jesus told a man to put mud on his eyes and he would see, why do this? he could have just made the blind man see, a snap of the finger.people often read these stories and only see a "what" but never ask why,how. I feel Jesus adores science and medican. Einstein wrote about science and religion being branches of the same tree. some of us worship the creator, some of us worship the creation.

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2011 - 1:49 PM ET #342

    this jesus fella seemed like a pretty good guy, talking about treating everyone well and helping others and not being materialistic in any.  it's all the people who seem to have distorted his message and use religion for negative reasons, political power and financial gain that i have a problem with. 
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    this jesus fella seemed like a pretty good guy, talking about treating everyone well and helping others and not being materialistic in any.  it's all the people who seem to have distorted his message and use religion for negative reasons, political power and financial gain that i have a problem with. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2011 - 5:17 PM ET #343

    Quote Originally Posted by OnlyGod:

     

    Aren't you a fuckin pedophile you sick fuck !


    I see you're still pissed

    Truth hurts huh

    onlygod great example you are
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    Aren't you a fuckin pedophile you sick fuck !


    I see you're still pissed

    Truth hurts huh

    onlygod great example you are
     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2011 - 5:48 PM ET #344

    send me some that sweet cherry!

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    send me some that sweet cherry!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2011 - 11:37 PM ET #345

    Quote Originally Posted by boberts427:

    the schools have done so well since taking god out of them

    What and teaching them Evolutionary THEORY REALLY did happen? Cause they have evidence?

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    the schools have done so well since taking god out of them

    What and teaching them Evolutionary THEORY REALLY did happen? Cause they have evidence?

     
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    Posted: Aug. 20, 2011 - 2:12 PM ET #346

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    So if i see someone in a house fire, high risk, i know if i go in there , the chances that i might die is very high, but i am going in there cause it might mean i will get laid? I think i have heard everything now.

     

    I'm guessing you don't truly understand what instinct means.

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    So if i see someone in a house fire, high risk, i know if i go in there , the chances that i might die is very high, but i am going in there cause it might mean i will get laid? I think i have heard everything now.

     

    I'm guessing you don't truly understand what instinct means.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 20, 2011 - 2:16 PM ET #347

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Yes I'm serious dutch boy! Just recently I was watching a program on either the Discovery Channel or the Weather Channel, can't remember exactly which it was but it was about lightning. I clearly heard them say that scientists still don't fully understand the causes of lightning. These guys had all these high speed cameras aimed at the sky hoping for lightning strikes so they could evaluate what they see.

    So dutch boy you better start watching some discovery channel or weather channel more often to learn something....stupid!...lol

     

    Hey there Johhny Drake!! So you should have no problem whatsoever finding several dozen websites that expalin scientist not knowing how lightning works..I look forward to your links!!

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    Yes I'm serious dutch boy! Just recently I was watching a program on either the Discovery Channel or the Weather Channel, can't remember exactly which it was but it was about lightning. I clearly heard them say that scientists still don't fully understand the causes of lightning. These guys had all these high speed cameras aimed at the sky hoping for lightning strikes so they could evaluate what they see.

    So dutch boy you better start watching some discovery channel or weather channel more often to learn something....stupid!...lol

     

    Hey there Johhny Drake!! So you should have no problem whatsoever finding several dozen websites that expalin scientist not knowing how lightning works..I look forward to your links!!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 20, 2011 - 5:14 PM ET #348

    Religion is just a word,   Look in your Bible  (if you have one)   Jesus didnt  come  to preach a religion,  He  came to tell us about  God,    Even Jesus ,  mentioned  that religion is just a word,   As for me,  I am NOT any different from anyone else,   I am a sinner also, just like everyone else,   the only difference in a Christrian and a non-christian    is    one is saved by grace, and the other is not.   Figure out which one you are.
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    Religion is just a word,   Look in your Bible  (if you have one)   Jesus didnt  come  to preach a religion,  He  came to tell us about  God,    Even Jesus ,  mentioned  that religion is just a word,   As for me,  I am NOT any different from anyone else,   I am a sinner also, just like everyone else,   the only difference in a Christrian and a non-christian    is    one is saved by grace, and the other is not.   Figure out which one you are.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 20, 2011 - 5:25 PM ET #349

    Is Jesus the son of god sent here by him to tell us of him?
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    Posted: Aug. 20, 2011 - 10:10 PM ET #350

    Quote Originally Posted by Lttlmac:

    Religion is just a word,   Look in your Bible  (if you have one)   Jesus didnt  come  to preach a religion,  He  came to tell us about  God,    Even Jesus ,  mentioned  that religion is just a word,   As for me,  I am NOT any different from anyone else,   I am a sinner also, just like everyone else,   the only difference in a Christrian and a non-christian    is    one is saved by grace, and the other is not.   Figure out which one you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lttlmac:

    Religion is just a word,   Look in your Bible  (if you have one)   Jesus didnt  come  to preach a religion,  He  came to tell us about  God,    Even Jesus ,  mentioned  that religion is just a word,   As for me,  I am NOT any different from anyone else,   I am a sinner also, just like everyone else,   the only difference in a Christrian and a non-christian    is    one is saved by grace, and the other is not.   Figure out which one you are.

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