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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2011 - 8:24 PM ET #376

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Why havent you responded to posts 366 and 367?



    I'll do that when you respond to what I've asked you. Twice now.
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    Why havent you responded to posts 366 and 367?



    I'll do that when you respond to what I've asked you. Twice now.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2011 - 8:32 PM ET #377

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    So if you don't believe God created everything then it's like you're saying everything just popped into existence by itself....that just doesn't make sense.

    And if you don't know, how can you have an attitude that in your perspective it can't be that God is the Creator and sound sure about it?

    And it's not my story but it's God telling us through the Holy Bible that he is the Creator and I believe it along with 2 to 3 billion other people worldwide.








    I said I don't believe your bullshit story.  One thing is certain though, your God is a moron and is incapable of creating a blade of grass, let alone the universe. Any God that i believe in, it would be consistent with what we have observed in nature, and your God is anything but.

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    I don't have to make any claims about what created the universe, I don't know is an honest answer. Just because you can only think of 2 possible answers, doesn't mean there aren't more.

    Also just because 2-3 billion people believe something, that makes them right? Really, is that your argument? Well if they all jumped off a cliff, they must be right, so go ahead and jump.







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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    So if you don't believe God created everything then it's like you're saying everything just popped into existence by itself....that just doesn't make sense.

    And if you don't know, how can you have an attitude that in your perspective it can't be that God is the Creator and sound sure about it?

    And it's not my story but it's God telling us through the Holy Bible that he is the Creator and I believe it along with 2 to 3 billion other people worldwide.








    I said I don't believe your bullshit story.  One thing is certain though, your God is a moron and is incapable of creating a blade of grass, let alone the universe. Any God that i believe in, it would be consistent with what we have observed in nature, and your God is anything but.

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    I don't have to make any claims about what created the universe, I don't know is an honest answer. Just because you can only think of 2 possible answers, doesn't mean there aren't more.

    Also just because 2-3 billion people believe something, that makes them right? Really, is that your argument? Well if they all jumped off a cliff, they must be right, so go ahead and jump.







     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2011 - 8:35 PM ET #378

    Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:



    I'll do that when you respond to what I've asked you. Twice now.

    Which one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:



    I'll do that when you respond to what I've asked you. Twice now.

    Which one?

     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2011 - 11:15 PM ET #379

    The Holy Bible is not my story mrgetrich, but it is the truthful words of our Creator Almighty God.
     
    Again if you say you don't know what created the universe what makes you come on here to argue with us believers who are making a claim that everything created was by the work of God?
     
    You can't be refuting us when you have no claim as to what created everything...how stupid is that?
     
    We believers have a historical document which is the Holy Bible to substantiate our beliefs.
     
    What do you have mrgetrich?....I can answer that....you have nothing...absolutely nothing but stubborn ignorance.
     
     
     
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    The Holy Bible is not my story mrgetrich, but it is the truthful words of our Creator Almighty God.
     
    Again if you say you don't know what created the universe what makes you come on here to argue with us believers who are making a claim that everything created was by the work of God?
     
    You can't be refuting us when you have no claim as to what created everything...how stupid is that?
     
    We believers have a historical document which is the Holy Bible to substantiate our beliefs.
     
    What do you have mrgetrich?....I can answer that....you have nothing...absolutely nothing but stubborn ignorance.
     
     
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 23, 2011 - 12:19 AM ET #380

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    The Holy Bible is not my story mrgetrich, but it is the truthful words of our Creator Almighty God.
     
    Again if you say you don't know what created the universe what makes you come on here to argue with us believers who are making a claim that everything created was by the work of God?
     
    You can't be refuting us when you have no claim as to what created everything...how stupid is that?
     
    We believers have a historical document which is the Holy Bible to substantiate our beliefs.
     
    What do you have mrgetrich?....I can answer that....you have nothing...absolutely nothing but stubborn ignorance.
     
     
     

    Not only can they not debunk our arguments but they cant create a case that Atheism is true.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    The Holy Bible is not my story mrgetrich, but it is the truthful words of our Creator Almighty God.
     
    Again if you say you don't know what created the universe what makes you come on here to argue with us believers who are making a claim that everything created was by the work of God?
     
    You can't be refuting us when you have no claim as to what created everything...how stupid is that?
     
    We believers have a historical document which is the Holy Bible to substantiate our beliefs.
     
    What do you have mrgetrich?....I can answer that....you have nothing...absolutely nothing but stubborn ignorance.
     
     
     

    Not only can they not debunk our arguments but they cant create a case that Atheism is true.....

     
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    Posted: Aug. 23, 2011 - 3:22 AM ET #381

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    Posted: Aug. 23, 2011 - 2:20 PM ET #382

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Not only can they not debunk our arguments but they cant create a case that Atheism is true.....

    Yeah absolutely! God Bless you and your family brother Rostos!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Not only can they not debunk our arguments but they cant create a case that Atheism is true.....

    Yeah absolutely! God Bless you and your family brother Rostos!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 23, 2011 - 5:08 PM ET #383

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    IF what happened wasnt true, how do you explain the explosion in the number of Christian chruches just after Christs crucifixion and resurresction? 

    Sources

    If it never happened, why didnt the majority of people "shut it down" or why isnt there any documentation of a "counter claim"

    There are all kinds of counter claims today

     just after the bible was written that the bible is nothing but a lie? Do you think if i wrote something extrodinary today, a fellow author would investagate it and shut it down with writings if it wasnt true?

    Today, yes

    Furthermore, why did the apostles maintain there story even though they were threatened with death?

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    The reason why there wasnt a great deal written about it OUTSIDE the bible were for those reasons above.....Threat of death and the person at the time didnt believe he was the messiah cause they claim the messiah wont come to earth to serve (Jesus), but rather a very wealthy messiah to be served.....


    EVen Thomas the disciple even after seeing Jesus didnt believe until Jesus told him to put his hand through his side..... 

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    You do know that the gospels were written a generation after the supposed events took place? 

    Read the bible before making judgement......

    I have, thats why I can

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    IF what happened wasnt true, how do you explain the explosion in the number of Christian chruches just after Christs crucifixion and resurresction? 

    Sources

    If it never happened, why didnt the majority of people "shut it down" or why isnt there any documentation of a "counter claim"

    There are all kinds of counter claims today

     just after the bible was written that the bible is nothing but a lie? Do you think if i wrote something extrodinary today, a fellow author would investagate it and shut it down with writings if it wasnt true?

    Today, yes

    Furthermore, why did the apostles maintain there story even though they were threatened with death?

    Sources

    The reason why there wasnt a great deal written about it OUTSIDE the bible were for those reasons above.....Threat of death and the person at the time didnt believe he was the messiah cause they claim the messiah wont come to earth to serve (Jesus), but rather a very wealthy messiah to be served.....


    EVen Thomas the disciple even after seeing Jesus didnt believe until Jesus told him to put his hand through his side..... 

    Sources

    You do know that the gospels were written a generation after the supposed events took place? 

    Read the bible before making judgement......

    I have, thats why I can

     
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    Posted: Aug. 23, 2011 - 5:16 PM ET #384

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    So the fact that the MAJORITY of ceritified historical scholars accept the bible doesnt mean much to you then?

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    You seem to be really obsessed with that part of the old testament dont you? 

    Do you look at a piece of shit with corn in it and eat the corn?

    That is the only part that you ever bring up. you never bring up anything about Christs teachings etc, it is always that part....

    You dont even know the society at the time, Furthermore, you are judging God. 

    Yes I am, your god of the bible is an ass...

    He obviously has his reasons to do what he did.....

    BTW, i follow Jesus in the new testament and his teachings, thats what we only have to know....

    Says youWith your logic, you probably think a drug dealer that gives to charity is a good guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    So the fact that the MAJORITY of ceritified historical scholars accept the bible doesnt mean much to you then?

    Sources

    You seem to be really obsessed with that part of the old testament dont you? 

    Do you look at a piece of shit with corn in it and eat the corn?

    That is the only part that you ever bring up. you never bring up anything about Christs teachings etc, it is always that part....

    You dont even know the society at the time, Furthermore, you are judging God. 

    Yes I am, your god of the bible is an ass...

    He obviously has his reasons to do what he did.....

    BTW, i follow Jesus in the new testament and his teachings, thats what we only have to know....

    Says youWith your logic, you probably think a drug dealer that gives to charity is a good guy

     
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    Posted: Aug. 23, 2011 - 5:18 PM ET #385

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Not only can they not debunk our arguments but they cant create a case that Atheism is true.....


    Do you even know what Atheism is You've said some stupid things, but this sums it up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Not only can they not debunk our arguments but they cant create a case that Atheism is true.....


    Do you even know what Atheism is You've said some stupid things, but this sums it up...
     
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    Posted: Aug. 23, 2011 - 5:30 PM ET #386

    Question for Rostos or Sir John?  Is it feasible for me to believe in a higher power, which I do, that doesn't fit into what you both believe in as far as the bible goes?
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    Question for Rostos or Sir John?  Is it feasible for me to believe in a higher power, which I do, that doesn't fit into what you both believe in as far as the bible goes?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 23, 2011 - 7:31 PM ET #387

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:

    You fool.

    You havent even answered the questions, you have just gone over them and said something totally irrelevant....

    Go on, answer them......

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:

    You fool.

    You havent even answered the questions, you have just gone over them and said something totally irrelevant....

    Go on, answer them......

     
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    Posted: Aug. 23, 2011 - 7:48 PM ET #388

    Quote Originally Posted by Drizle:

    Question for Rostos or Sir John?  Is it feasible for me to believe in a higher power, which I do, that doesn't fit into what you both believe in as far as the bible goes?

    You are free to believe in whatever you want to believe,,,,

    Take a look at the evidence, and you decide what is true and not true...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drizle:

    Question for Rostos or Sir John?  Is it feasible for me to believe in a higher power, which I do, that doesn't fit into what you both believe in as far as the bible goes?

    You are free to believe in whatever you want to believe,,,,

    Take a look at the evidence, and you decide what is true and not true...

     
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    Posted: Aug. 24, 2011 - 1:16 AM ET #389

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    You fool.

    You havent even answered the questions, you have just gone over them and said something totally irrelevant....

    Go on, answer them......


    Look again carefully idiot, I did answer your questions. If you don't like the answers, well, too bad...
    Still waiting for those sources... 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    You fool.

    You havent even answered the questions, you have just gone over them and said something totally irrelevant....

    Go on, answer them......


    Look again carefully idiot, I did answer your questions. If you don't like the answers, well, too bad...
    Still waiting for those sources... 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 24, 2011 - 4:16 AM ET #390

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Look again carefully idiot, I did answer your questions. If you don't like the answers, well, too bad...
    Still waiting for those sources... 

    I have asked you questions and you just responded with something totally irrelevant...

    Your responses are not rational

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Look again carefully idiot, I did answer your questions. If you don't like the answers, well, too bad...
    Still waiting for those sources... 

    I have asked you questions and you just responded with something totally irrelevant...

    Your responses are not rational

     
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    Posted: Aug. 24, 2011 - 10:55 AM ET #391

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    I have asked you questions and you just responded with something totally irrelevant...

    Your responses are not rational


    Says you...

    And I have asked you for sources and nothing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    I have asked you questions and you just responded with something totally irrelevant...

    Your responses are not rational


    Says you...

    And I have asked you for sources and nothing...
     
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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2011 - 11:14 PM ET #392

    Quote Originally Posted by MRGETRICH:



    1. If you read the bible son, the sun does not appear until day four.

    And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

    So you see, there was no sun on day one, or when the plants were growing. You can't have days with the sun, period!!!  There is no other way to measure days/nights. And plants grow by photosynthesis, which can't happen without a sun either!!

    The events described in genesis are simply impossible.

    2.  Plants grew on day three, before the sun.

    Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

    3. Yes, God made a talking snake whose purpose was what???  Do you think it did what it was created to do?

    4. Adam was made from dirt. Genesis 2:7

    Then the LORD God formed a manc] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

    ***FUCKING MAGIC****

    5. God, according to the story was not completely done with earth until the third day. On the fourth day he created the sun, moon and stars. It makes no sense that it should take God longer to make this tiny planet vs the rest of the universe. But it did, because the writers of the bible didn't know how big the universe was. Stars were small to them, the earth was huge. So obviously earth longer!! Duh!

    6. And you believed that actually happened?

    7.  No response????

    So,  Is there anything else you would like to be wrong about?



     

    MrGetRich,        Here is Genisis Chapter 1   verses 1-5     As you can see    there was light   on the first day,   Read  verse 5

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    1. If you read the bible son, the sun does not appear until day four.

    And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

    So you see, there was no sun on day one, or when the plants were growing. You can't have days with the sun, period!!!  There is no other way to measure days/nights. And plants grow by photosynthesis, which can't happen without a sun either!!

    The events described in genesis are simply impossible.

    2.  Plants grew on day three, before the sun.

    Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

    3. Yes, God made a talking snake whose purpose was what???  Do you think it did what it was created to do?

    4. Adam was made from dirt. Genesis 2:7

    Then the LORD God formed a manc] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

    ***FUCKING MAGIC****

    5. God, according to the story was not completely done with earth until the third day. On the fourth day he created the sun, moon and stars. It makes no sense that it should take God longer to make this tiny planet vs the rest of the universe. But it did, because the writers of the bible didn't know how big the universe was. Stars were small to them, the earth was huge. So obviously earth longer!! Duh!

    6. And you believed that actually happened?

    7.  No response????

    So,  Is there anything else you would like to be wrong about?



     

    MrGetRich,        Here is Genisis Chapter 1   verses 1-5     As you can see    there was light   on the first day,   Read  verse 5

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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2011 - 4:07 PM ET #393

    does the Bible mention anything about the Dinosaurs?
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2011 - 4:21 PM ET #394

    I will follow this system closely
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2011 - 7:04 PM ET #395

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Which one?



    All of them.
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    Which one?



    All of them.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2011 - 7:10 PM ET #396

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Not only can they not debunk our arguments but they cant create a case that Atheism is true.....






    Atheism isn't true or false.

    All being an atheist means is that you reject the claim theists make their God exists. Since your God is unverifiable and undetectable by any objective means, it's perfectly reasonable to reject your claim.









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    Not only can they not debunk our arguments but they cant create a case that Atheism is true.....






    Atheism isn't true or false.

    All being an atheist means is that you reject the claim theists make their God exists. Since your God is unverifiable and undetectable by any objective means, it's perfectly reasonable to reject your claim.









     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2011 - 7:22 PM ET #397

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    The Holy Bible is not my story mrgetrich, but it is the truthful words of our Creator Almighty God.
     
    Again if you say you don't know what created the universe what makes you come on here to argue with us believers who are making a claim that everything created was by the work of God?
     
    You can't be refuting us when you have no claim as to what created everything...how stupid is that?
     
    We believers have a historical document which is the Holy Bible to substantiate our beliefs.
     
    What do you have mrgetrich?....I can answer that....you have nothing...absolutely nothing but stubborn ignorance.
     
     
     


    1.Well then your God Almighty, as I've displayed is a fucking idiot.


    2. Because I could be wrong in what i think so i like to challenge people and their beliefs to see if they have any validity. You even asking that question suggests that they don't.

    3. Yes, i can because sometimes not having an answer is much better than having stupid one, that's all ready been proven wrong by every branch of science you can think of. See, your version of earth's creation requires EVERY SINGLE BRANCH OF SCIENCE IS INCORRECT. Not just the big bang not just evolution but geology, chemistry, physics ect.. ALL OF IT!!! Since we know those sciences do work, we know your story does not, even if we don't know for sure the reason the universe exists.

    4. You have a historical document that was put together by about 2,000 priests a few thousand years ago, based on what books were the most popular at the time. How could they tell which books were inspired by God vs which ones were not? I know, they voted!!  BTW, God was not apart of that headcount, nor did it have a vote like the other priests did.  You holy book is a compliation of books written by human beings with no divine inspiration at all. Simply said, your God is nothing more than, your imagination, paper, and ink.


    5. What do i have? The honestly to admit when I don't know something. The freedom to believe what i want to based on my personal experiences on this planet, not what a book tells me to, that I'm never allowed to disagree with. I could go on but that's already more than you will ever have.










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    The Holy Bible is not my story mrgetrich, but it is the truthful words of our Creator Almighty God.
     
    Again if you say you don't know what created the universe what makes you come on here to argue with us believers who are making a claim that everything created was by the work of God?
     
    You can't be refuting us when you have no claim as to what created everything...how stupid is that?
     
    We believers have a historical document which is the Holy Bible to substantiate our beliefs.
     
    What do you have mrgetrich?....I can answer that....you have nothing...absolutely nothing but stubborn ignorance.
     
     
     


    1.Well then your God Almighty, as I've displayed is a fucking idiot.


    2. Because I could be wrong in what i think so i like to challenge people and their beliefs to see if they have any validity. You even asking that question suggests that they don't.

    3. Yes, i can because sometimes not having an answer is much better than having stupid one, that's all ready been proven wrong by every branch of science you can think of. See, your version of earth's creation requires EVERY SINGLE BRANCH OF SCIENCE IS INCORRECT. Not just the big bang not just evolution but geology, chemistry, physics ect.. ALL OF IT!!! Since we know those sciences do work, we know your story does not, even if we don't know for sure the reason the universe exists.

    4. You have a historical document that was put together by about 2,000 priests a few thousand years ago, based on what books were the most popular at the time. How could they tell which books were inspired by God vs which ones were not? I know, they voted!!  BTW, God was not apart of that headcount, nor did it have a vote like the other priests did.  You holy book is a compliation of books written by human beings with no divine inspiration at all. Simply said, your God is nothing more than, your imagination, paper, and ink.


    5. What do i have? The honestly to admit when I don't know something. The freedom to believe what i want to based on my personal experiences on this planet, not what a book tells me to, that I'm never allowed to disagree with. I could go on but that's already more than you will ever have.










     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2011 - 7:24 PM ET #398

    Quote Originally Posted by Lttlmac:

     

    MrGetRich,        Here is Genisis Chapter 1   verses 1-5     As you can see    there was light   on the first day,   Read  verse 5

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    Well obviously it wasn't good enough, so God had to make a sun. Try again son.
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    MrGetRich,        Here is Genisis Chapter 1   verses 1-5     As you can see    there was light   on the first day,   Read  verse 5

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    Well obviously it wasn't good enough, so God had to make a sun. Try again son.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2011 - 7:26 PM ET #399

    Quote Originally Posted by BostonStrangler:

    does the Bible mention anything about the Dinosaurs?


    Well yes, birds are dinosaurs. If you mean the traditional definition of dinosaurs, no because they were all dead 65 million years before the bible was written.
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    does the Bible mention anything about the Dinosaurs?


    Well yes, birds are dinosaurs. If you mean the traditional definition of dinosaurs, no because they were all dead 65 million years before the bible was written.
     
     
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    So God didnt created the dinosaurs?
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