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Posted: #476
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Sorry, I can't answer your question, because you are basing it on a book I don't believe in... I know a lot of people that are good without god... are they perfect? no, but good people...none deserve to burn in hell because they don't have a "relationship" with god.

Please justify why someone should

So, just because you don't have a "relationship/turn to him" you must burn in hell for eternity. Oh, that makes sense Come on man!


Ah, you say "good".....What is good? In the atheistic world, the word good is subjective.....In the atheistic world, each person decides what is good or bad.....

If i rape a woman, just because you think it is wrong, you are not absolutely correct to think it is wrong....

 
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Ah, you say "good".....What is good? In the atheistic world, the word good is subjective.....In the atheistic world, each person decides what is good or bad.....

If i rape a woman, just because you think it is wrong, you are not absolutely correct to think it is wrong....


We've already been through this, if you forgot, go back and read KItty's posts...

PS the bible is a shitty example of what is good


 
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Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


We've already been through this, if you forgot, go back and read KItty's posts...

PS the bible is a shitty example of what is good


At least here you are being consistent with your atheism......again, another subjective opinion...

Remember, you Kitty and the like are adament that morals are subjective....

Therefore, in your world, there is a time and place where raping and murdering a young innocent girl is not wrong....

Remember, murdering and raping an innocent girl is not absolutely wrong, therefore, there is a case where it is ok in the atheistic world....

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

At least here you are being consistent with your atheism......again, another subjective opinion...

Remember, you Kitty and the like are adament that morals are subjective....

Therefore, in your world, there is a time and place where raping and murdering a young innocent girl is not wrong....

Remember, murdering and raping an innocent girl is not absolutely wrong, therefore, there is a case where it is ok in the atheistic world....


Since rape is one of your favorite subjects...

(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

 

     As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace.  If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.  But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town.  When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.  But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder.  You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.


I guess it is subjective, and I guess it's ok in the religious world too...

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


Since rape is one of your favorite subjects...

(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

 

     As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace.  If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.  But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town.  When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.  But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder.  You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

I guess it is subjective, and I guess it's ok in the religious world too...

 

Would you kill children/men and women to prevent a greater evil such as having a plane fly into buildings like as in 9/11?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Would you kill children/men and women to prevent a greater evil such as having a plane fly into buildings like as in 9/11?


What does that have to do with rape being subjective Did you miss the rape part Nice try trying to change the subject I like how you do that when you don't have an answer...
 
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(Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

 

    "When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house.  But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb.  After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife.  However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion." 
 
 
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more rape...


(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

 

    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.   (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

 
 
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Posted: #484

God has sufficient moral reasons to bring evil into the world.

Does that mean humans can perform evil acts because God can?

Are we equivocating God to humans again?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

God has sufficient moral reasons to bring evil into the world.

Does that mean humans can perform evil acts because God can?

Are we equivocating God to humans again?


Please try to keep up. You are trying to say that rape isn't morally subjective, and I'm giving you evidence that it is ok according to  your own bible and by your own god!

Are we changing the subject again?
 
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Posted: #486
Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


 

Are we changing the subject again?

  

    

 

You are always eating popcorn or confused...lol

Would it be ok to refer to you as a popcorn eating confused heathen?...lol...hihihihihi!

 
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You are always eating popcorn or confused...lol

Would it be ok to refer to you as a popcorn eating confused heathen?...lol...hihihihihi!


Still can't ignore me like you said you would. You are so weak, no wonder you're so religious. 

By the way, the only one laughing is you. This is why you have no friends. I have an idea, how about some more bible verses


 
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I am ignoring you in the sense that I won't engage myself in your confused silly dialogue that you spew out from time to time.

Now I just make fun of you like this:    

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

       

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

I am ignoring you in the sense that I won't engage myself in your confused silly dialogue that you spew out from time to time.

Now I just make fun of you like this:    

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

       

 


Guess you're to stupid to know what ignore means.

Hilarious 
 
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Words to live by: The deeper the faith; the larger the flaw in character.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


Please try to keep up. You are trying to say that rape isn't morally subjective, and I'm giving you evidence that it is ok according to  your own bible and by your own god!

Are we changing the subject again?

Nope, i am saying that God has morally good reasons for his ways...

For example, when a baby dies, as a theist, i believe that God gives life and takes life as it is in his will......When i see a baby die, do i call God a murderer? of course not, he has his reasons that we cannot begin to understand.....But if you murdered a baby, you are a murderer, no reason could justify you killing others...

That is why i say, if God ordered rape and a human being raped someone else, it is completely different as you cannot compare God to another human being.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by NASCAR-Sucks:

Words to live by: The deeper the faith; the larger the flaw in character.

ok, Mr smart man, are you an atheist?

 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Nope, i am saying that God has morally good reasons for his ways...

This isn't about whether or not god has good reasons for rape, it's about whether or not rape is subjective...

But if you want to go there, "god" has morally good reasons for rape Please try to justify   This should be good 

For example, when a baby dies, as a theist, i believe that God gives life and takes life as it is in his will......When i see a baby die, do i call God a murderer? of course not, he has his reasons that we cannot begin to understand.....But if you murdered a baby, you are a murderer, no reason could justify you killing others...

That is why i say, if God ordered rape and a human being raped someone else, it is completely different as you cannot compare God to another human being.

Problem is, it wasn't just "god" who thought rape was ok, people of biblical times thought it was ok, hence it is subjective

And your "you cannot compare "god" to another human being" because you don't have an answer is weak...

Next you're going to tell me "god" works in mysterious ways


When you reply, please don't try to change the subject...
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