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    Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 11:59 AM ET #576

    Quote Originally Posted by minion0812:



    Doing new testament now because that is when I came in. I'm sure they will be doing the old T in upcoming months or years.

    well, thanks anyway for the response.  there have to be some other bible study people around here. 

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    Doing new testament now because that is when I came in. I'm sure they will be doing the old T in upcoming months or years.

    well, thanks anyway for the response.  there have to be some other bible study people around here. 

     
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    Yeah you will find someone im sure. Second of all i'm not a bible scholar lol. I read and debate here and there but take more part in the youth and making sure they are having fun. That seems to be the biggest thing with church these days. It carries this bruatl stigma that it is boring but if you find the right places it can be quite the opposite for the youths. But believe me guys there is so much wrong with christianity and religions in general. That is why I said it is more of a personal relationship with christ and taking religion out of the equation. You wouldn't believe how many christian touting people are walking around on their high horse. They will get some kinda wake up call!
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    Yeah you will find someone im sure. Second of all i'm not a bible scholar lol. I read and debate here and there but take more part in the youth and making sure they are having fun. That seems to be the biggest thing with church these days. It carries this bruatl stigma that it is boring but if you find the right places it can be quite the opposite for the youths. But believe me guys there is so much wrong with christianity and religions in general. That is why I said it is more of a personal relationship with christ and taking religion out of the equation. You wouldn't believe how many christian touting people are walking around on their high horse. They will get some kinda wake up call!
     
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    Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 4:40 PM ET #578

    If God isn't real then Magic must be
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    Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 9:50 PM ET #579

    A person doesnt become an atheist because they are smarter than a theist.

    An atheist is like a thief. A thief NEVER runs into a policeman, but rather continues to run away from them, just like an atheist never runs into God but runs away from him.

    At the end of the day, all ATHEISTS have faith just like THEISTS, an atheist just like a theist has never died, come back to tell what happens.

    The reality, no one knows for fact, the theist believes (has faith) that an afterlife exists, the atheist believes (faith) that nothing exists. Its really as simple as that.

    For people that dont believe that want hard proof evidence of God arent gonna get it. God has constructed this so we have free will. For God, there is nothing better than believing in him via free will when we could easily turn our backs on him.

    Remember Jesus said to his disiples, "You believe me because you have seen me, blessed are those who have not seen yet believed".

     

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    A person doesnt become an atheist because they are smarter than a theist.

    An atheist is like a thief. A thief NEVER runs into a policeman, but rather continues to run away from them, just like an atheist never runs into God but runs away from him.

    At the end of the day, all ATHEISTS have faith just like THEISTS, an atheist just like a theist has never died, come back to tell what happens.

    The reality, no one knows for fact, the theist believes (has faith) that an afterlife exists, the atheist believes (faith) that nothing exists. Its really as simple as that.

    For people that dont believe that want hard proof evidence of God arent gonna get it. God has constructed this so we have free will. For God, there is nothing better than believing in him via free will when we could easily turn our backs on him.

    Remember Jesus said to his disiples, "You believe me because you have seen me, blessed are those who have not seen yet believed".

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 10:32 PM ET #580

    A person doesnt become an theist because they are smarter than a atheist.

    A theist is like a thief. A thief NEVER runs into a policeman, but rather continues to run away from them, just like a theist never runs into science but runs away from it.

    At the end of the day, all THEISTS have faith unlike ATHEISTS, a theist just like an atheist has never died, come back to tell what happens.

    The reality, no one knows for fact, the theist believes (has faith) that an afterlife exists, the atheist believes (faith) that nothing exists. Its really as simple as that.

    For people that dont believe that want hard proof evidence of God arent gonna get it. God has constructed this so we have free will. For God, there is nothing better than believing in him via free will when we could easily turn our backs on him.

    Remember Jesus said to his disiples, "You believe me because you have seen me, blessed are those who have not seen yet believed".

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    A person doesnt become an theist because they are smarter than a atheist.

    A theist is like a thief. A thief NEVER runs into a policeman, but rather continues to run away from them, just like a theist never runs into science but runs away from it.

    At the end of the day, all THEISTS have faith unlike ATHEISTS, a theist just like an atheist has never died, come back to tell what happens.

    The reality, no one knows for fact, the theist believes (has faith) that an afterlife exists, the atheist believes (faith) that nothing exists. Its really as simple as that.

    For people that dont believe that want hard proof evidence of God arent gonna get it. God has constructed this so we have free will. For God, there is nothing better than believing in him via free will when we could easily turn our backs on him.

    Remember Jesus said to his disiples, "You believe me because you have seen me, blessed are those who have not seen yet believed".

     
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    Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 11:02 PM ET #581

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Cliff notes:

    Lots of the Bible is a forgery.

    (if you didn't know that already, it would be surprising, but just wanted to see the opinions of some of our nutjobs at covers on this)

    The bestest made up part of the Bible is the 3 wise men saw a star and came a-calling. Now let's think this one through for a couple of minutes. This child born in swaddling clothes is The Man. The One.

    Question: Don't you think someone would have maybe followed this kid around and wrote down what He had to say and when? When He had his first poop even?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Cliff notes:

    Lots of the Bible is a forgery.

    (if you didn't know that already, it would be surprising, but just wanted to see the opinions of some of our nutjobs at covers on this)

    The bestest made up part of the Bible is the 3 wise men saw a star and came a-calling. Now let's think this one through for a couple of minutes. This child born in swaddling clothes is The Man. The One.

    Question: Don't you think someone would have maybe followed this kid around and wrote down what He had to say and when? When He had his first poop even?

     
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    Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 11:12 PM ET #582

    The bible is not the word of god 
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    A person doesnt become an theist because they are smarter than a atheist - In terms of intellect - agree.

    A theist is like a thief. A thief NEVER runs into a policeman, but rather continues to run away from them, just like a theist never runs into science but runs away from it. Can science tell me what is right or wrong?

    At the end of the day, all THEISTS have faith unlike ATHEISTS, a theist just like an atheist has never died, come back to tell what happens. So, you have died, come back to tell us for a FACT there is nothing there?

    The reality, no one knows for fact, the theist believes (has faith) that an afterlife exists, the atheist believes (faith) that nothing exists. Its really as simple as that.

    For people that dont believe that want hard proof evidence of God arent gonna get it. God has constructed this so we have free will. For God, there is nothing better than believing in him via free will when we could easily turn our backs on him.

    Remember Jesus said to his disiples, "You believe me because you have seen me, blessed are those who have not seen yet believed".

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    A person doesnt become an theist because they are smarter than a atheist - In terms of intellect - agree.

    A theist is like a thief. A thief NEVER runs into a policeman, but rather continues to run away from them, just like a theist never runs into science but runs away from it. Can science tell me what is right or wrong?

    At the end of the day, all THEISTS have faith unlike ATHEISTS, a theist just like an atheist has never died, come back to tell what happens. So, you have died, come back to tell us for a FACT there is nothing there?

    The reality, no one knows for fact, the theist believes (has faith) that an afterlife exists, the atheist believes (faith) that nothing exists. Its really as simple as that.

    For people that dont believe that want hard proof evidence of God arent gonna get it. God has constructed this so we have free will. For God, there is nothing better than believing in him via free will when we could easily turn our backs on him.

    Remember Jesus said to his disiples, "You believe me because you have seen me, blessed are those who have not seen yet believed".

     
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    atheism part 1 of 8




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    Posted: Apr. 5, 2011 - 11:40 PM ET #586

    Quote Originally Posted by PokinSmot:



    atheism part 1 of 8





    from the opening panel

    "...please bare with it"

    Oh goodie, are we are supposed to watch these videos in the buff. Think I'll skip that slop

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    Quote Originally Posted by PokinSmot:



    atheism part 1 of 8





    from the opening panel

    "...please bare with it"

    Oh goodie, are we are supposed to watch these videos in the buff. Think I'll skip that slop

     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvIbqf7MuE0

    For what its worth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvIbqf7MuE0

    For what its worth



    Ya, she is 'hot' as hell.
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    Ya, she is 'hot' as hell.
     
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    I want to thank you all, for bringing a new level of certainty to my life, via this thread.  This is scientific fact, that de-evolution is alive and well

    post 579 and post 580 are hard evidence
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    I want to thank you all, for bringing a new level of certainty to my life, via this thread.  This is scientific fact, that de-evolution is alive and well

    post 579 and post 580 are hard evidence
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by be easy:

    I want to thank you all, for bringing a new level of certainty to my life, via this thread.  This is scientific fact, that de-evolution is alive and well

    post 579 and post 580 are hard evidence


    And here I thought you were a man of randomness and black swans.
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    I want to thank you all, for bringing a new level of certainty to my life, via this thread.  This is scientific fact, that de-evolution is alive and well

    post 579 and post 580 are hard evidence


    And here I thought you were a man of randomness and black swans.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by lbcake:



    And here I thought you were a man of randomness and black swans.


    the sky is dark with black swans

    When everybody is swept away unthinkingly by what everybody else does, and believes in, those who think are drawn out of hiding because their refusal to join is conspicuous and thereby becomes a kind of action


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    And here I thought you were a man of randomness and black swans.


    the sky is dark with black swans

    When everybody is swept away unthinkingly by what everybody else does, and believes in, those who think are drawn out of hiding because their refusal to join is conspicuous and thereby becomes a kind of action


     
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    religious ppl (all religions) are a waste of space...for the same reason you wont beleive that I have an invisible universe in my front pocket is the same reason I dont believe in ur bullshit..
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    religious ppl (all religions) are a waste of space...for the same reason you wont beleive that I have an invisible universe in my front pocket is the same reason I dont believe in ur bullshit..
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    A person doesnt become an atheist because they are smarter than a theist.

    An atheist is like a thief. A thief NEVER runs into a policeman, but rather continues to run away from them, just like an atheist never runs into God but runs away from him.

    At the end of the day, all ATHEISTS have faith just like THEISTS, an atheist just like a theist has never died, come back to tell what happens.

    The reality, no one knows for fact, the theist believes (has faith) that an afterlife exists, the atheist believes (faith) that nothing exists. Its really as simple as that.

    For people that dont believe that want hard proof evidence of God arent gonna get it. God has constructed this so we have free will. For God, there is nothing better than believing in him via free will when we could easily turn our backs on him.

    Remember Jesus said to his disiples, "You believe me because you have seen me, blessed are those who have not seen yet believed".

     



    free will doesnt exist,...you overate consciousness, when really its nothing more that a construct of our anatomical and physiological process....I didnt decide to be born, I cant decide to shut off my left lung or spleen, and i cant decide im not going to die...free will is an illusion just like those little visual games/tricks...ur  not even aware of 99% of things happening around you right now! you cant even recall with real dependable accuracy what happened 5min ago!!! 

    you religious folk are such small minded one dimensional nutcases..in spite of you we thinkers have managed to evolve the species and provided a higher quality of life for humans...or do like Jesus says and if u beleive in him give away all ur stuff, pick up the cross and follow him, you have to turn ur back on the world..not celebrate and take up the worlds way. ur either confused imbeciles, or hypocrite cowards....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    A person doesnt become an atheist because they are smarter than a theist.

    An atheist is like a thief. A thief NEVER runs into a policeman, but rather continues to run away from them, just like an atheist never runs into God but runs away from him.

    At the end of the day, all ATHEISTS have faith just like THEISTS, an atheist just like a theist has never died, come back to tell what happens.

    The reality, no one knows for fact, the theist believes (has faith) that an afterlife exists, the atheist believes (faith) that nothing exists. Its really as simple as that.

    For people that dont believe that want hard proof evidence of God arent gonna get it. God has constructed this so we have free will. For God, there is nothing better than believing in him via free will when we could easily turn our backs on him.

    Remember Jesus said to his disiples, "You believe me because you have seen me, blessed are those who have not seen yet believed".

     



    free will doesnt exist,...you overate consciousness, when really its nothing more that a construct of our anatomical and physiological process....I didnt decide to be born, I cant decide to shut off my left lung or spleen, and i cant decide im not going to die...free will is an illusion just like those little visual games/tricks...ur  not even aware of 99% of things happening around you right now! you cant even recall with real dependable accuracy what happened 5min ago!!! 

    you religious folk are such small minded one dimensional nutcases..in spite of you we thinkers have managed to evolve the species and provided a higher quality of life for humans...or do like Jesus says and if u beleive in him give away all ur stuff, pick up the cross and follow him, you have to turn ur back on the world..not celebrate and take up the worlds way. ur either confused imbeciles, or hypocrite cowards....
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by misfit_aka:



    free will doesnt exist,...you overate consciousness, when really its nothing more that a construct of our anatomical and physiological process....I didnt decide to be born, I cant decide to shut off my left lung or spleen, and i cant decide im not going to die...free will is an illusion just like those little visual games/tricks...ur  not even aware of 99% of things happening around you right now! you cant even recall with real dependable accuracy what happened 5min ago!!! 

    you religious folk are such small minded one dimensional nutcases..in spite of you we thinkers have managed to evolve the species and provided a higher quality of life for humans...or do like Jesus says and if u beleive in him give away all ur stuff, pick up the cross and follow him, you have to turn ur back on the world..not celebrate and take up the worlds way. ur either confused imbeciles, or hypocrite cowards....


    LOL wow what a fool! Dude even if you don't believe (and I could really care less) you seem to have some issues with people and are certainly not doing any justice to the atheists in this forum. Move along with your hate propaganda!
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    free will doesnt exist,...you overate consciousness, when really its nothing more that a construct of our anatomical and physiological process....I didnt decide to be born, I cant decide to shut off my left lung or spleen, and i cant decide im not going to die...free will is an illusion just like those little visual games/tricks...ur  not even aware of 99% of things happening around you right now! you cant even recall with real dependable accuracy what happened 5min ago!!! 

    you religious folk are such small minded one dimensional nutcases..in spite of you we thinkers have managed to evolve the species and provided a higher quality of life for humans...or do like Jesus says and if u beleive in him give away all ur stuff, pick up the cross and follow him, you have to turn ur back on the world..not celebrate and take up the worlds way. ur either confused imbeciles, or hypocrite cowards....


    LOL wow what a fool! Dude even if you don't believe (and I could really care less) you seem to have some issues with people and are certainly not doing any justice to the atheists in this forum. Move along with your hate propaganda!
     
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    ClubDirt - just a passing comment on your children in bible school question. have read the bible, though didnt join a christian community school to study its doctrine, so my comment is just that, passing.

    the bibles claim is to be the divine word of god, so its accounts are told by those who witness it to be based on reality. so the question would be, would you change the channel if your child was viewing a sensitive news broadcast or program.

    would imagine that the central stories feature with the main focus on the message of jesus. with all youth students learning the word of god from a childrens bible, where sensative topics are danced around. as one would in sheltering their young from selected media or hollywood releases.

    though, children have the most vivid imagination that runs away with them, so one could admire the questions they would invent.

    its a great question you put to the board, on the basis that a childs faith in god would be greater than what any adult could.

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    ClubDirt - just a passing comment on your children in bible school question. have read the bible, though didnt join a christian community school to study its doctrine, so my comment is just that, passing.

    the bibles claim is to be the divine word of god, so its accounts are told by those who witness it to be based on reality. so the question would be, would you change the channel if your child was viewing a sensitive news broadcast or program.

    would imagine that the central stories feature with the main focus on the message of jesus. with all youth students learning the word of god from a childrens bible, where sensative topics are danced around. as one would in sheltering their young from selected media or hollywood releases.

    though, children have the most vivid imagination that runs away with them, so one could admire the questions they would invent.

    its a great question you put to the board, on the basis that a childs faith in god would be greater than what any adult could.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by be easy:

    I want to thank you all, for bringing a new level of certainty to my life, via this thread.  This is scientific fact, that de-evolution is alive and well

    post 579 and post 580 are hard evidence

    I was simply illustrating a point.

    A position in a debate is not strong when you can simply exchange sides by switching words and the meaning still is the same and makes sense.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by be easy:

    I want to thank you all, for bringing a new level of certainty to my life, via this thread.  This is scientific fact, that de-evolution is alive and well

    post 579 and post 580 are hard evidence

    I was simply illustrating a point.

    A position in a debate is not strong when you can simply exchange sides by switching words and the meaning still is the same and makes sense.

     

     
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    An atheists THINKS. A theist BELIEVES. Big difference.

    A theist BELIEVES he will go to a magical place after he dies.

    AN atheist THINKS nothing happens after you die because that's the natural, logical conclusion one reaches. You were nothing before you were born. You were born. You lived. You will again be nothing after you die. If I die and I am proven wrong, well then so be it, but logic cannot possibly lead to any other conclusion while I am alive.

    I do not have faith in anything. I think and I do math. Big difference.
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    An atheists THINKS. A theist BELIEVES. Big difference.

    A theist BELIEVES he will go to a magical place after he dies.

    AN atheist THINKS nothing happens after you die because that's the natural, logical conclusion one reaches. You were nothing before you were born. You were born. You lived. You will again be nothing after you die. If I die and I am proven wrong, well then so be it, but logic cannot possibly lead to any other conclusion while I am alive.

    I do not have faith in anything. I think and I do math. Big difference.
     
     
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    kitty, simply not true as i have sought to posit earlier in the thread...

    "The whole work of modern science rests on faith-commitments which cannot themselves be demonstrated by the methods of science.  The development of science as we know it would have been impossible without two beliefs: that the universe is rational and that it is contingent" (neither of these things, of course, is scientifically demonstrable). Further assumptions get added to these among many scientists; one of the most destructive is this: the scientific method is the only viable means of gaining knowledge about reality (to which I simply will say, 'prove it...scientifically'). This analysis rests upon basic principles of epistemology that have been understood for quite a long time, but are typically ignored in mainstream society - that is, that all knowing proceeds from some basis in believing. This is every bit as true of science as it is of philosophy or religion. Presuppositions that cannot be proven undergird every single thing a human being will say, do, or think.

    There is also a large component of Christianity that THINKS the Bible's story of Jesus is historically reliable.  Science accepts that Jesus was a real person (if science means most people, which it seems that it does for you).

    You are drawing lines in the sand b/w faith and science when there is overlap in every aspect of each.
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    kitty, simply not true as i have sought to posit earlier in the thread...

    "The whole work of modern science rests on faith-commitments which cannot themselves be demonstrated by the methods of science.  The development of science as we know it would have been impossible without two beliefs: that the universe is rational and that it is contingent" (neither of these things, of course, is scientifically demonstrable). Further assumptions get added to these among many scientists; one of the most destructive is this: the scientific method is the only viable means of gaining knowledge about reality (to which I simply will say, 'prove it...scientifically'). This analysis rests upon basic principles of epistemology that have been understood for quite a long time, but are typically ignored in mainstream society - that is, that all knowing proceeds from some basis in believing. This is every bit as true of science as it is of philosophy or religion. Presuppositions that cannot be proven undergird every single thing a human being will say, do, or think.

    There is also a large component of Christianity that THINKS the Bible's story of Jesus is historically reliable.  Science accepts that Jesus was a real person (if science means most people, which it seems that it does for you).

    You are drawing lines in the sand b/w faith and science when there is overlap in every aspect of each.
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