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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2011 - 6:19 AM ET #701

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoodwink:

    vanzack - to you, the swordsman of philosophy. may your crusade as the myth buster of religion kill one-thousand lifetimes of bordom.

    though, in that all cavalry must stand against the gladius of truth to have its shield tested, the wise will always return to bury the fallen in death. for the armor in which they have slain, may have risen from the dead.

    jesus is crucified on the cross of syncronized facts, put to death in his identical and parallels to the pagan idol horace. nails of death that not even a christian has defence.

    though, return to body to pay respect, and return with a historian and he will raise the dead, asking mythicists to sustain all lies dressed as ancient egyptology sourced facts.

    asketh you say and you shall recieve, but never forget what hoodwink said; the dead bury the dead and can make them say, there isnt a copycat fact alive today.



    WTF....Speak plain english my man and make your point....I guess that's impossible for foolish beliefs so keep proclaiming ridiculous thoughts while the rest of us try to comprehend any argument you make....Fucking Bible talking about snakes, wish YOUR god was more forthright
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    vanzack - to you, the swordsman of philosophy. may your crusade as the myth buster of religion kill one-thousand lifetimes of bordom.

    though, in that all cavalry must stand against the gladius of truth to have its shield tested, the wise will always return to bury the fallen in death. for the armor in which they have slain, may have risen from the dead.

    jesus is crucified on the cross of syncronized facts, put to death in his identical and parallels to the pagan idol horace. nails of death that not even a christian has defence.

    though, return to body to pay respect, and return with a historian and he will raise the dead, asking mythicists to sustain all lies dressed as ancient egyptology sourced facts.

    asketh you say and you shall recieve, but never forget what hoodwink said; the dead bury the dead and can make them say, there isnt a copycat fact alive today.



    WTF....Speak plain english my man and make your point....I guess that's impossible for foolish beliefs so keep proclaiming ridiculous thoughts while the rest of us try to comprehend any argument you make....Fucking Bible talking about snakes, wish YOUR god was more forthright
     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2011 - 6:28 AM ET #702

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    Haha wow, see this is my point of how you guys have this thinking of already there is no God. You can't even open your mind up for two seconds to see if there is that possibility. But I know how you feel!

    Please also don't assume anything about my transition. You just sit back and think you know everything and assume it is something I prayed for lol. What a joke!!!

    My personal transition saw everyone change in my family one by one. We were a regular going church family but only went because my mom thought it was right for us as younger children to go. We hated it! Laughed at the priests, thought it was all bullshit but again it was for the mom. My father was like Homer Simpson and couldn't wait to get out much like myself and four sisters. We were pretty well atheists or had small faith if anything but would never consider being a godly person let alone stick up for him.

    My father started hanging out with Mike Pinball Clemons and Doug Flutie when they were both with the Toronto Arognuats. My Dad works In Television and happened to meet them and start a small friendship which grew into something more. They invited him out to a dinner one night and started talking Christianity. He told them straight up he was not interested but would perhaps explore their thought and attend church with them to see the differance between that and ours.

    He started going more and more and really enjoying it. Our whole family was shocked. We mocked and laughed and especially when he would come home with these christian cds and tapes. In the mid-90's  think 96 or so, my dad became a born again christian. He came home a different man. When people would ask him how is he doing? his response was "fantastic and getting better" and 15 years later it is still the same response.

    For my family this was a major issue. My mother who took us to church only to do the politcally correct thing, now had a husband she couldn't understand and frankly was mocking along with us children. Divorce was talked about more than just a few times. My mom wanted out and couldn't take it. She loved the transition of him and his new found mojo and love but found it hard to believe someone could have a personal relationship with christ being a unseen thing.

    About two years after my father be came a born again my mother started going out with Pinball and my father to their church. Please also remember at the time now us kids at got to the age that we could make up our own mind and obviously decided no way we were going to church. She changed as well and in 98-99 time became a born again christian. Now it was the children vs the parents and again we mocked them even though we saw they have been profoundly changed and the love for each other and volunteering around places and changed in everyway for the better (work, attitude, spending time with us, love for each other, health, etc.)  we hated this new christian life and the thought that now we were a christian family.

    Long story short, one by one over the course of the next 15 years I have seen all my sisters dramatically change and the worst was my last one that changed who is the second oldest, We were two peas in a pot. Both in the cool and popular groups, out clubbing having lots of sex or relationships, did drugs, partying all the time, always getting into trouble, etc. When she changed it broke my heart and I was so shocked that the one sister I could always count on being there and understanding my situation changed to the people we were mocking. Around two years later I decided to go with her to her church and eventually became a christian. I have never looked back as I have improved everything in my life and become a changed person both emotionally and mentally. That is where I get the "feeling" that I'm talking about. I can feel christ in me in which he has given the holy spirit and i know how crazy it sounds to you atheists because I was there at one time as well but it is true and exists. I'm sorry there is no doubt. I wouldn't deny christ if there was a gun to my head.

    Hope you can see some of my story is something more than just a "prayer that came true" and that is what I mean by seeing a transition in my family.

    Personally I thank Mike Clemons and Doug Flutie for showing my dad the truth and how it has trickled down. Took many years but eventually I got there.


    Truly so fucking inspirational

    Maybe your family started reckognizing there is nothing after death and to be a "human" maybe like the animal species whose only goal was to replicate. I know treating others kindly is crazy and your only goal as a species that has evolved was to create more offspring...Imagine that a species existed only so it could create a stronger species....HMMMM I guess Darwin's survival of the fittest means nothing to this concept
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    Haha wow, see this is my point of how you guys have this thinking of already there is no God. You can't even open your mind up for two seconds to see if there is that possibility. But I know how you feel!

    Please also don't assume anything about my transition. You just sit back and think you know everything and assume it is something I prayed for lol. What a joke!!!

    My personal transition saw everyone change in my family one by one. We were a regular going church family but only went because my mom thought it was right for us as younger children to go. We hated it! Laughed at the priests, thought it was all bullshit but again it was for the mom. My father was like Homer Simpson and couldn't wait to get out much like myself and four sisters. We were pretty well atheists or had small faith if anything but would never consider being a godly person let alone stick up for him.

    My father started hanging out with Mike Pinball Clemons and Doug Flutie when they were both with the Toronto Arognuats. My Dad works In Television and happened to meet them and start a small friendship which grew into something more. They invited him out to a dinner one night and started talking Christianity. He told them straight up he was not interested but would perhaps explore their thought and attend church with them to see the differance between that and ours.

    He started going more and more and really enjoying it. Our whole family was shocked. We mocked and laughed and especially when he would come home with these christian cds and tapes. In the mid-90's  think 96 or so, my dad became a born again christian. He came home a different man. When people would ask him how is he doing? his response was "fantastic and getting better" and 15 years later it is still the same response.

    For my family this was a major issue. My mother who took us to church only to do the politcally correct thing, now had a husband she couldn't understand and frankly was mocking along with us children. Divorce was talked about more than just a few times. My mom wanted out and couldn't take it. She loved the transition of him and his new found mojo and love but found it hard to believe someone could have a personal relationship with christ being a unseen thing.

    About two years after my father be came a born again my mother started going out with Pinball and my father to their church. Please also remember at the time now us kids at got to the age that we could make up our own mind and obviously decided no way we were going to church. She changed as well and in 98-99 time became a born again christian. Now it was the children vs the parents and again we mocked them even though we saw they have been profoundly changed and the love for each other and volunteering around places and changed in everyway for the better (work, attitude, spending time with us, love for each other, health, etc.)  we hated this new christian life and the thought that now we were a christian family.

    Long story short, one by one over the course of the next 15 years I have seen all my sisters dramatically change and the worst was my last one that changed who is the second oldest, We were two peas in a pot. Both in the cool and popular groups, out clubbing having lots of sex or relationships, did drugs, partying all the time, always getting into trouble, etc. When she changed it broke my heart and I was so shocked that the one sister I could always count on being there and understanding my situation changed to the people we were mocking. Around two years later I decided to go with her to her church and eventually became a christian. I have never looked back as I have improved everything in my life and become a changed person both emotionally and mentally. That is where I get the "feeling" that I'm talking about. I can feel christ in me in which he has given the holy spirit and i know how crazy it sounds to you atheists because I was there at one time as well but it is true and exists. I'm sorry there is no doubt. I wouldn't deny christ if there was a gun to my head.

    Hope you can see some of my story is something more than just a "prayer that came true" and that is what I mean by seeing a transition in my family.

    Personally I thank Mike Clemons and Doug Flutie for showing my dad the truth and how it has trickled down. Took many years but eventually I got there.


    Truly so fucking inspirational

    Maybe your family started reckognizing there is nothing after death and to be a "human" maybe like the animal species whose only goal was to replicate. I know treating others kindly is crazy and your only goal as a species that has evolved was to create more offspring...Imagine that a species existed only so it could create a stronger species....HMMMM I guess Darwin's survival of the fittest means nothing to this concept
     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2011 - 6:37 AM ET #703

    Quote Originally Posted by minion0812:

    haha and spinned and woven??? lol this guy is hilarious! Wow you prove my point that you never listen. Oh well, heck I was there once. I am one of the lucky ones that has been on both sides and feel fortunate my father and our family have met and befriend these two. I'm not going to sit here and tell you all the anwsers or that it even makes sense in the slightest because there are lots of things that are very hard to understand. However you TILTOLOGIC are just being an ingnorant fool. I'm not going to tell you that for sure your wrong and I'm right I just said what happened in my life and how I've become a christian. By all means keep being an atheist person and that is your free will and right to choose and think for yourself. Not a chance am I also going to sit here and tell you that I wasn't on the other side as well because as much as you think I'm an idiot at one time was just like you.


    Man I wish I was so fortunate to have "god" speak to me

    SO tell me why did he choose your family???? Truly you are the worst of fucking ignorant morons, he chose you over me, truly absurd, but god will settle our differences when I guess I go to hell and you go to heaven....So I'm curious, "what earned your passage to heaven" was it the fact that you believe your conscience lived on regardless of scientific fact that when your brain dies so does your consciousness???? I'm really curious how you live past shutdown of the mind, fuck it a ghost typed this question and he probably is the 1 guilty of raping your mom, i just don't get why the courts cannot accept my theory???? I'm INNOCENT, the GHOST raped your mom!!!!
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    haha and spinned and woven??? lol this guy is hilarious! Wow you prove my point that you never listen. Oh well, heck I was there once. I am one of the lucky ones that has been on both sides and feel fortunate my father and our family have met and befriend these two. I'm not going to sit here and tell you all the anwsers or that it even makes sense in the slightest because there are lots of things that are very hard to understand. However you TILTOLOGIC are just being an ingnorant fool. I'm not going to tell you that for sure your wrong and I'm right I just said what happened in my life and how I've become a christian. By all means keep being an atheist person and that is your free will and right to choose and think for yourself. Not a chance am I also going to sit here and tell you that I wasn't on the other side as well because as much as you think I'm an idiot at one time was just like you.


    Man I wish I was so fortunate to have "god" speak to me

    SO tell me why did he choose your family???? Truly you are the worst of fucking ignorant morons, he chose you over me, truly absurd, but god will settle our differences when I guess I go to hell and you go to heaven....So I'm curious, "what earned your passage to heaven" was it the fact that you believe your conscience lived on regardless of scientific fact that when your brain dies so does your consciousness???? I'm really curious how you live past shutdown of the mind, fuck it a ghost typed this question and he probably is the 1 guilty of raping your mom, i just don't get why the courts cannot accept my theory???? I'm INNOCENT, the GHOST raped your mom!!!!
     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2011 - 6:42 AM ET #704

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    Do you eat? Do you continue living your life? Do you go to the movies? What age are you in heaven: the age when you die? the age of your prime? do you pick your age? What about babies that die within the first week of life? Certainly there's NO WAY they could've asked for jesus in their lives on account of them being a week old or less. I guess god just shuns them to hell, nice guy. Are there animals in heaven? If so, how'd they get there? Is it a state of perfection? Do you always get what you want? That would be pretty awful. Imagine playing a video game and you never lost. Imagine winning 100% of your bets. But would you be allowed to lose in heaven at something. Seems counterintuitive. Why would there be any unhappiness whatsoever? Obviously I can't expect you to have the answers to these questions, but the questions themselves place great doubt on the practicality of the existence of a "heaven." Furthermore, I can't think of one legitimate reason why heaven should exist in the first place.


    So I can keep WINNING!!!! God has my beliefs stored in his black folder, and he tells me consistently that his beliefs are a WINNING FORMULA!!! Hell my blood it tiger blood and thank god I got that, or else what fictional shit could I believe in. I'd just rape, murder, and molest everyone w/out his help and insight
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    Do you eat? Do you continue living your life? Do you go to the movies? What age are you in heaven: the age when you die? the age of your prime? do you pick your age? What about babies that die within the first week of life? Certainly there's NO WAY they could've asked for jesus in their lives on account of them being a week old or less. I guess god just shuns them to hell, nice guy. Are there animals in heaven? If so, how'd they get there? Is it a state of perfection? Do you always get what you want? That would be pretty awful. Imagine playing a video game and you never lost. Imagine winning 100% of your bets. But would you be allowed to lose in heaven at something. Seems counterintuitive. Why would there be any unhappiness whatsoever? Obviously I can't expect you to have the answers to these questions, but the questions themselves place great doubt on the practicality of the existence of a "heaven." Furthermore, I can't think of one legitimate reason why heaven should exist in the first place.


    So I can keep WINNING!!!! God has my beliefs stored in his black folder, and he tells me consistently that his beliefs are a WINNING FORMULA!!! Hell my blood it tiger blood and thank god I got that, or else what fictional shit could I believe in. I'd just rape, murder, and molest everyone w/out his help and insight
     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2011 - 6:45 AM ET #705

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    Can't speak so much for the kids part because quite frankly I don't remember and am not part of the children's study in the church. As far as the grown up or youth bible study it is very much open to debate. There is no skipping over parts and often great debates or thought's come about. We mainly only do New testament at least since I have been going.


    I cannot deny your knowledge, the church has your best intentions in mind Yeah I agree what power do they have, all us non-believers are nuts, we just don't accept a money hungry child fucking priest...Damn dude I wish I was different, but if god objects may he strike me down now!
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    Can't speak so much for the kids part because quite frankly I don't remember and am not part of the children's study in the church. As far as the grown up or youth bible study it is very much open to debate. There is no skipping over parts and often great debates or thought's come about. We mainly only do New testament at least since I have been going.


    I cannot deny your knowledge, the church has your best intentions in mind Yeah I agree what power do they have, all us non-believers are nuts, we just don't accept a money hungry child fucking priest...Damn dude I wish I was different, but if god objects may he strike me down now!
     
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    OHHH shit, he didn't kill me so will he kill me tomorrow??? I guess fear works pretty good when talking about imaginary beings...Fuckin invisible prick, show your face, again I talked shit and I'm not dead....Guess the Devil will have a place for me....MORONS
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    OHHH shit, he didn't kill me so will he kill me tomorrow??? I guess fear works pretty good when talking about imaginary beings...Fuckin invisible prick, show your face, again I talked shit and I'm not dead....Guess the Devil will have a place for me....MORONS
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mwhit82:

    OHHH shit, he didn't kill me so will he kill me tomorrow??? I guess fear works pretty good when talking about imaginary beings...Fuckin invisible prick, show your face, again I talked shit and I'm not dead....Guess the Devil will have a place for me....MORONS

    U are one angry man.

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    OHHH shit, he didn't kill me so will he kill me tomorrow??? I guess fear works pretty good when talking about imaginary beings...Fuckin invisible prick, show your face, again I talked shit and I'm not dead....Guess the Devil will have a place for me....MORONS

    U are one angry man.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    A person doesnt become an atheist because they are smarter than a theist.

    An atheist is like a thief. A thief NEVER runs into a policeman, but rather continues to run away from them, just like an atheist never runs into God but runs away from him.

    At the end of the day, all ATHEISTS have faith just like THEISTS, an atheist just like a theist has never died, come back to tell what happens.

    The reality, no one knows for fact, the theist believes (has faith) that an afterlife exists, the atheist believes (faith) that nothing exists. Its really as simple as that.

    For people that dont believe that want hard proof evidence of God arent gonna get it. God has constructed this so we have free will. For God, there is nothing better than believing in him via free will when we could easily turn our backs on him.

    Remember Jesus said to his disiples, "You believe me because you have seen me, blessed are those who have not seen yet believed".

     



    Goddamn your so right, GOD WHERE ART THOU????? Oh shit I know you gotta destroy the Japs, negro's, and person since they don't respect you and I'm an advocate for "common thought/principles" so I must be punished as well....Motherfucker just show your face, I don't get it what is your "god" for....

    I'm totally serious did "god" create the billions of galaxies w/ the dark matter or is he/it seriously concerned w/ me passing my spelling bee test??? I get that the religious (incomprehensible fools) cannot explain this so I'm curious what everyone's opinions are ESPECIALLY BASED ON CERTAIN IGNORANT BIAS!!!! TRULY did "god" tell you so or are you just passing preaches you heard as a little boy??? I know the Santa Claus factor killed my beliefs, but maybe a religious "chosen one" can enlighten me on how god spoke to them and proclaimed my life was doomed since I thought of his "god" concept as foolish and ignorant. Yes I use science to justify his existence, but unfortunately that science proves no "god" like figure should exist...I guess gravity and billions of years of selection still must only prove "god" exists...To think otherwise would only be intelligent, and I sure am a gullible fool


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    A person doesnt become an atheist because they are smarter than a theist.

    An atheist is like a thief. A thief NEVER runs into a policeman, but rather continues to run away from them, just like an atheist never runs into God but runs away from him.

    At the end of the day, all ATHEISTS have faith just like THEISTS, an atheist just like a theist has never died, come back to tell what happens.

    The reality, no one knows for fact, the theist believes (has faith) that an afterlife exists, the atheist believes (faith) that nothing exists. Its really as simple as that.

    For people that dont believe that want hard proof evidence of God arent gonna get it. God has constructed this so we have free will. For God, there is nothing better than believing in him via free will when we could easily turn our backs on him.

    Remember Jesus said to his disiples, "You believe me because you have seen me, blessed are those who have not seen yet believed".

     



    Goddamn your so right, GOD WHERE ART THOU????? Oh shit I know you gotta destroy the Japs, negro's, and person since they don't respect you and I'm an advocate for "common thought/principles" so I must be punished as well....Motherfucker just show your face, I don't get it what is your "god" for....

    I'm totally serious did "god" create the billions of galaxies w/ the dark matter or is he/it seriously concerned w/ me passing my spelling bee test??? I get that the religious (incomprehensible fools) cannot explain this so I'm curious what everyone's opinions are ESPECIALLY BASED ON CERTAIN IGNORANT BIAS!!!! TRULY did "god" tell you so or are you just passing preaches you heard as a little boy??? I know the Santa Claus factor killed my beliefs, but maybe a religious "chosen one" can enlighten me on how god spoke to them and proclaimed my life was doomed since I thought of his "god" concept as foolish and ignorant. Yes I use science to justify his existence, but unfortunately that science proves no "god" like figure should exist...I guess gravity and billions of years of selection still must only prove "god" exists...To think otherwise would only be intelligent, and I sure am a gullible fool


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uconn34:

    my parents are born again Christians and they think im going to hell if im not saved.

    Im not worried because i'll be dead.

    an after life are you kidding me? how can anyone believe that?

     

    i know alot of "born again" christians as well,,,,,,, 1 got caught cheating on his wife,,,,,1 went to jail,,,,,,,1 had a gambling problem,,,,1 got caught in a cocaine ring,,,,,,1 got caught laundering money,,,,,,,,,,,,,etc....etc....etc......

    not saying that's what happened with your parents uconn- but i think people get what i'm trying to say here.  Get caught doing something fucked up and take the easy way out, "I've been saved"

     

    Don't worry buddy, if we are going to this imaginary place called "hell"- i'm sure the weather will be nice

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    my parents are born again Christians and they think im going to hell if im not saved.

    Im not worried because i'll be dead.

    an after life are you kidding me? how can anyone believe that?

     

    i know alot of "born again" christians as well,,,,,,, 1 got caught cheating on his wife,,,,,1 went to jail,,,,,,,1 had a gambling problem,,,,1 got caught in a cocaine ring,,,,,,1 got caught laundering money,,,,,,,,,,,,,etc....etc....etc......

    not saying that's what happened with your parents uconn- but i think people get what i'm trying to say here.  Get caught doing something fucked up and take the easy way out, "I've been saved"

     

    Don't worry buddy, if we are going to this imaginary place called "hell"- i'm sure the weather will be nice

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    U are one angry man.



    Damn  Rostos you got me pegged, did your god tell you that, AM I GOING TO HELL FOR HATING ON MORONS, hell even him????

    You are so fucking far from the truth that any credibility that you think you got from GOD completely explains your ignorance....

    Dude I'm so above you and your moronic simple minded thoughts that you should probably be considered dumber than my 4 week old nephew who cannot speak...His dumb fucking ass doesn't believe in a god, and no he hasn't been spoken to by any imaginary figure, imagine that he survives to live another day by sucking his moms tit. Guess God taught him to suck tits to survive

    I get set off by dumbass remarks, especially those who think an imaginary figure exists...Like I've said DNA and any other proof of life's existence w/out a god is thrown to the curb w/ religious fools...Keep on truckin my friend since 1 day your life will end and the white light won't exist, guess you're so much smarter and more intelligent than scientists who prove your unintelligent babble is absurd and will die when your conscious dies....Guess your above consciousness as well Hey man just don't burn me when I'm dead because that would be hell and I'm going to heaven for my "soul" &/or "consciousness" I will live foreva (allah told me so)!!!! Dude you just don't get that I'm a WINNER!!!! Fucking GOD spoke to me and told me it's true, so what you got 2 argue against that... FUCKER also he told me you're a LOSER and you will burn FOREVA....Man hell has your name written all over it!

    In all seriousness I really do feel bad for your incompetence....I guess incompetence rules and understanding how we came to be and knowing how we will likely end up is just too much pain for you to comprehend....I know the thought of we are a creation of billions of years of chemical reactions is much too simple, and the thought that we will all die is just lunacy....

    Fucking life man, its crazy and just a result, but since you can use a tiny fragment of your brain to try to comprehend what you don't understand doesn't give you any right to think "god" is looking out for you. That concept is truly flawed and moronic, unless your god which in the Bible isn't explained on how billions of galaxies w/ billions of stars has been created (science).

    Can you count to 1 billion in your life (stupid question since I know YOU CANNOT) yet I am suppose to think you understand those vast distances and Huge concepts. I'm probably a fool for responding to your ignorance, and I truly wish you well in all your endevaours while your a living being, but please don't think because you understand your demise that I have any pity on you. That's fucking life, and to want to live w/ other fictional concepts is ignorant in my book and as well as most intellectuals minds....Hey man I didn't gank your TV it was the fucking Ghost of civilizations past... but didn't they worship the SUN god? Just curious what makes your imaginary god so much more important than the SUN god in which the Egyptian empires believed in (rhetorical).I know god hadn't spoken to them yet it was too long ago.....Please SAVE ME

    Religion and ignorant thought are such a bummer for those of us who comprehend even the smallest parts of life. Live for Today and not for what you think comes tomorrow

    Truly Religion is the biggest power grab in world....So is your religion catholic, or judiasm, hell muslim since I really don't know what god is THE GOD, everyone has a different story. That statement explains religion in the simplistic form, a fucking power grab w/ 0 credibility...But dude you got me, I'm now born again since I found god after not finding him, motherfucker just spoke to me and I'm so much more intelligent than before...God I love you and will kill for you, please I'm so willing to believe I cannot even comprehend common sense, I know you hate thinkers but why did you kill so many to prove your point?

     I also gotta ask how do you control all the billions of galaxies at the same time, do you delegate your duties or when I catch a ball in the endzone are you happy for me? Goddamnit dude did you hate me and force me to throw the pick 6? I know god, i have a hard time believing, did you create me to NOT BELIEVE? If so does that mean a fiery hell looms overhead? I got ya we are all special, so only if I rape, murder, or molest another Im going to hell. But some motherfucker raped my sisters and burned them on a cross, you're saying I cannot punish them in today's world since you will get overall revenge?  I still don't trust you god and Allah is my preferential god since HE PROMISES me 72 TIGHT VIRGIN BLEEDING PUSSIES when I die, man that fucking god has my interests in mind. So why do you tease Rostos and others w/ moronic concepts when its clear the MUSLIM way of life is truly what we should aspire to live, I want the 72 goddamn tight pussies
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    U are one angry man.



    Damn  Rostos you got me pegged, did your god tell you that, AM I GOING TO HELL FOR HATING ON MORONS, hell even him????

    You are so fucking far from the truth that any credibility that you think you got from GOD completely explains your ignorance....

    Dude I'm so above you and your moronic simple minded thoughts that you should probably be considered dumber than my 4 week old nephew who cannot speak...His dumb fucking ass doesn't believe in a god, and no he hasn't been spoken to by any imaginary figure, imagine that he survives to live another day by sucking his moms tit. Guess God taught him to suck tits to survive

    I get set off by dumbass remarks, especially those who think an imaginary figure exists...Like I've said DNA and any other proof of life's existence w/out a god is thrown to the curb w/ religious fools...Keep on truckin my friend since 1 day your life will end and the white light won't exist, guess you're so much smarter and more intelligent than scientists who prove your unintelligent babble is absurd and will die when your conscious dies....Guess your above consciousness as well Hey man just don't burn me when I'm dead because that would be hell and I'm going to heaven for my "soul" &/or "consciousness" I will live foreva (allah told me so)!!!! Dude you just don't get that I'm a WINNER!!!! Fucking GOD spoke to me and told me it's true, so what you got 2 argue against that... FUCKER also he told me you're a LOSER and you will burn FOREVA....Man hell has your name written all over it!

    In all seriousness I really do feel bad for your incompetence....I guess incompetence rules and understanding how we came to be and knowing how we will likely end up is just too much pain for you to comprehend....I know the thought of we are a creation of billions of years of chemical reactions is much too simple, and the thought that we will all die is just lunacy....

    Fucking life man, its crazy and just a result, but since you can use a tiny fragment of your brain to try to comprehend what you don't understand doesn't give you any right to think "god" is looking out for you. That concept is truly flawed and moronic, unless your god which in the Bible isn't explained on how billions of galaxies w/ billions of stars has been created (science).

    Can you count to 1 billion in your life (stupid question since I know YOU CANNOT) yet I am suppose to think you understand those vast distances and Huge concepts. I'm probably a fool for responding to your ignorance, and I truly wish you well in all your endevaours while your a living being, but please don't think because you understand your demise that I have any pity on you. That's fucking life, and to want to live w/ other fictional concepts is ignorant in my book and as well as most intellectuals minds....Hey man I didn't gank your TV it was the fucking Ghost of civilizations past... but didn't they worship the SUN god? Just curious what makes your imaginary god so much more important than the SUN god in which the Egyptian empires believed in (rhetorical).I know god hadn't spoken to them yet it was too long ago.....Please SAVE ME

    Religion and ignorant thought are such a bummer for those of us who comprehend even the smallest parts of life. Live for Today and not for what you think comes tomorrow

    Truly Religion is the biggest power grab in world....So is your religion catholic, or judiasm, hell muslim since I really don't know what god is THE GOD, everyone has a different story. That statement explains religion in the simplistic form, a fucking power grab w/ 0 credibility...But dude you got me, I'm now born again since I found god after not finding him, motherfucker just spoke to me and I'm so much more intelligent than before...God I love you and will kill for you, please I'm so willing to believe I cannot even comprehend common sense, I know you hate thinkers but why did you kill so many to prove your point?

     I also gotta ask how do you control all the billions of galaxies at the same time, do you delegate your duties or when I catch a ball in the endzone are you happy for me? Goddamnit dude did you hate me and force me to throw the pick 6? I know god, i have a hard time believing, did you create me to NOT BELIEVE? If so does that mean a fiery hell looms overhead? I got ya we are all special, so only if I rape, murder, or molest another Im going to hell. But some motherfucker raped my sisters and burned them on a cross, you're saying I cannot punish them in today's world since you will get overall revenge?  I still don't trust you god and Allah is my preferential god since HE PROMISES me 72 TIGHT VIRGIN BLEEDING PUSSIES when I die, man that fucking god has my interests in mind. So why do you tease Rostos and others w/ moronic concepts when its clear the MUSLIM way of life is truly what we should aspire to live, I want the 72 goddamn tight pussies
     
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    This thread should end NOW....You guys who want to believe well keep on believing since the rest of us know common sense won't change your jaded opinions....Life is DEAL W/ IT, so keep believing imaginary figures show up in daily life while the rest of us live for today! Life is pretty fucking short in the grand scheme of things and if you want to tease yourself w/ afterlife I guess I cannot stop you, I can only call you moronic and foolish. My preacher told me that so IT"S GOTTA BE TRUE! Only problem is that old motherfucker sucked off my best friend and left me to jack off myself
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    This thread should end NOW....You guys who want to believe well keep on believing since the rest of us know common sense won't change your jaded opinions....Life is DEAL W/ IT, so keep believing imaginary figures show up in daily life while the rest of us live for today! Life is pretty fucking short in the grand scheme of things and if you want to tease yourself w/ afterlife I guess I cannot stop you, I can only call you moronic and foolish. My preacher told me that so IT"S GOTTA BE TRUE! Only problem is that old motherfucker sucked off my best friend and left me to jack off myself
     
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    Goddamnit VAN....You gave stupid motherfuckers a forum to speak in about their imaginary friends, thanks for the "crazy" thread since the only god-believers are so fucking crazy you cannot argue w/ or against them. I rest my case by saying I'm Muslim and I GET 72 FUCKING TIGHT ASS BLEEDING VIRGINS WHEN I DIE...I luv you god, take me now so I can get to tapping those tight ASSES
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    Goddamnit VAN....You gave stupid motherfuckers a forum to speak in about their imaginary friends, thanks for the "crazy" thread since the only god-believers are so fucking crazy you cannot argue w/ or against them. I rest my case by saying I'm Muslim and I GET 72 FUCKING TIGHT ASS BLEEDING VIRGINS WHEN I DIE...I luv you god, take me now so I can get to tapping those tight ASSES
     
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    My god also just told me to tell Rostos and others to fuck off since they just took 2 hr's away from my handicapping and I was about to get rich and tap any ass I wanted, and not just get stuck w/ those 72 tight ass box who wouldn't give it up while I was truly alive. Fucking box want to control me in both life and death and by not hitting my parlay I'm stuck fucking skanks on the strip who lost their virginity a decade ago
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    My god also just told me to tell Rostos and others to fuck off since they just took 2 hr's away from my handicapping and I was about to get rich and tap any ass I wanted, and not just get stuck w/ those 72 tight ass box who wouldn't give it up while I was truly alive. Fucking box want to control me in both life and death and by not hitting my parlay I'm stuck fucking skanks on the strip who lost their virginity a decade ago
     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2011 - 8:23 AM ET #714

    Allah is Great, while your god is Crazy

    Im fucking 72 Virgins BITCH, what you got??? I know it's all bullshit but a fella can dream can't we? Yes I understand dreaming is different than reality, but everyone else believes in magic so why can't I????
    Goddamnit I need a bunch of towels because these bitches keep bleeding all over me, man if I was in heaven I'd have experienced pornstars and not these tight ass bleeders who don't know how to fuck....
    Bitches man, if only allah could understand the problems w/ tight bleeders who can't fuck for shit. Those ho's can't even keep my dick hard, guess I shouldn't worry since my semen is only a concept and since I think I get them pregnant then my Human species keeps living on! Sex man such a waste of energy when god controls it all
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    Allah is Great, while your god is Crazy

    Im fucking 72 Virgins BITCH, what you got??? I know it's all bullshit but a fella can dream can't we? Yes I understand dreaming is different than reality, but everyone else believes in magic so why can't I????
    Goddamnit I need a bunch of towels because these bitches keep bleeding all over me, man if I was in heaven I'd have experienced pornstars and not these tight ass bleeders who don't know how to fuck....
    Bitches man, if only allah could understand the problems w/ tight bleeders who can't fuck for shit. Those ho's can't even keep my dick hard, guess I shouldn't worry since my semen is only a concept and since I think I get them pregnant then my Human species keeps living on! Sex man such a waste of energy when god controls it all
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mwhit82:



    Goddamn your so right, GOD WHERE ART THOU????? Oh shit I know you gotta destroy the Japs, negro's, and person since they don't respect you and I'm an advocate for "common thought/principles" so I must be punished as well....Motherfucker just show your face, I don't get it what is your "god" for....

    I'm totally serious did "god" create the billions of galaxies w/ the dark matter or is he/it seriously concerned w/ me passing my spelling bee test??? I get that the religious (incomprehensible fools) cannot explain this so I'm curious what everyone's opinions are ESPECIALLY BASED ON CERTAIN IGNORANT BIAS!!!! TRULY did "god" tell you so or are you just passing preaches you heard as a little boy??? I know the Santa Claus factor killed my beliefs, but maybe a religious "chosen one" can enlighten me on how god spoke to them and proclaimed my life was doomed since I thought of his "god" concept as foolish and ignorant. Yes I use science to justify his existence, but unfortunately that science proves no "god" like figure should exist...I guess gravity and billions of years of selection still must only prove "god" exists...To think otherwise would only be intelligent, and I sure am a gullible fool


    It is NOT my fault if you believe something can come from nothing.

    An explosion at the print factory caused the dictionary huh

    Just stop it before u continue to embarress yourself.

    By the looks of it, u are one angry bitter man.

    Swearing at God is only gonna make it worse for you.

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    Goddamn your so right, GOD WHERE ART THOU????? Oh shit I know you gotta destroy the Japs, negro's, and person since they don't respect you and I'm an advocate for "common thought/principles" so I must be punished as well....Motherfucker just show your face, I don't get it what is your "god" for....

    I'm totally serious did "god" create the billions of galaxies w/ the dark matter or is he/it seriously concerned w/ me passing my spelling bee test??? I get that the religious (incomprehensible fools) cannot explain this so I'm curious what everyone's opinions are ESPECIALLY BASED ON CERTAIN IGNORANT BIAS!!!! TRULY did "god" tell you so or are you just passing preaches you heard as a little boy??? I know the Santa Claus factor killed my beliefs, but maybe a religious "chosen one" can enlighten me on how god spoke to them and proclaimed my life was doomed since I thought of his "god" concept as foolish and ignorant. Yes I use science to justify his existence, but unfortunately that science proves no "god" like figure should exist...I guess gravity and billions of years of selection still must only prove "god" exists...To think otherwise would only be intelligent, and I sure am a gullible fool


    It is NOT my fault if you believe something can come from nothing.

    An explosion at the print factory caused the dictionary huh

    Just stop it before u continue to embarress yourself.

    By the looks of it, u are one angry bitter man.

    Swearing at God is only gonna make it worse for you.

     
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    Yes I am ruthless, Im truly not hateful of most people (other than religious fools) while common sense and knowledge of the world around us is my requirement and the "god" concept is so foolish that I cannot even comprehend how people are so gullible....Hope you wannabe following believers feel good while you're making me SICK

    I still haven't heard why people believe in religion in the 1st place, truly was it because your mom, priest, outside body experience made you believe it so? I know a miracle proved your point since the word miracle must mean GOD and cannot have any definition in any comprehensible book. It was a miracle so it must be GOD, such a wise ruthless fucker...I get it they deserved to die, god's will, and I scored the td also god's will. That dude just shines rainbows on me all day long
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    Yes I am ruthless, Im truly not hateful of most people (other than religious fools) while common sense and knowledge of the world around us is my requirement and the "god" concept is so foolish that I cannot even comprehend how people are so gullible....Hope you wannabe following believers feel good while you're making me SICK

    I still haven't heard why people believe in religion in the 1st place, truly was it because your mom, priest, outside body experience made you believe it so? I know a miracle proved your point since the word miracle must mean GOD and cannot have any definition in any comprehensible book. It was a miracle so it must be GOD, such a wise ruthless fucker...I get it they deserved to die, god's will, and I scored the td also god's will. That dude just shines rainbows on me all day long
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mwhit82:

    Yes I am ruthless, Im truly not hateful of most people (other than religious fools) while common sense and knowledge of the world around us is my requirement and the "god" concept is so foolish that I cannot even comprehend how people are so gullible....Hope you wannabe following believers feel good while you're making me SICK

    I still haven't heard why people believe in religion in the 1st place, truly was it because your mom, priest, outside body experience made you believe it so? I know a miracle proved your point since the word miracle must mean GOD and cannot have any definition in any comprehensible book. It was a miracle so it must be GOD, such a wise ruthless fucker...I get it they deserved to die, god's will, and I scored the td also god's will. That dude just shines rainbows on me all day long

    No, u are NOTHING

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    Yes I am ruthless, Im truly not hateful of most people (other than religious fools) while common sense and knowledge of the world around us is my requirement and the "god" concept is so foolish that I cannot even comprehend how people are so gullible....Hope you wannabe following believers feel good while you're making me SICK

    I still haven't heard why people believe in religion in the 1st place, truly was it because your mom, priest, outside body experience made you believe it so? I know a miracle proved your point since the word miracle must mean GOD and cannot have any definition in any comprehensible book. It was a miracle so it must be GOD, such a wise ruthless fucker...I get it they deserved to die, god's will, and I scored the td also god's will. That dude just shines rainbows on me all day long

    No, u are NOTHING

     
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    Posted: Apr. 11, 2011 - 8:41 AM ET #718

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    It is NOT my fault if you believe something can come from nothing.

    An explosion at the print factory caused the dictionary huh

    Just stop it before u continue to embarress yourself.

    By the looks of it, u are one angry bitter man.

    Swearing at God is only gonna make it worse for you.



    Yes I know the complex....what came before god if he came before the big bang (didn't god create everything)...Genius argument again, unexplainable yet so diverse....Seems funny I have to now prove there is no god, while you can use anything in support of god...Again i ask the simple question what CAME BEFORE GOD????

    I know I'm a fool to think someone wrote a book to control the masses, foolish thoughts so why did the crusades occur? How was religion SPREAD in Africa? Guess they just awoken to feel a presence, not like they got forced into religion

    It all comes down to control and power my friend, and if you cannot realize that then I truly wish you well but please don't butt into adult conversations I
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    It is NOT my fault if you believe something can come from nothing.

    An explosion at the print factory caused the dictionary huh

    Just stop it before u continue to embarress yourself.

    By the looks of it, u are one angry bitter man.

    Swearing at God is only gonna make it worse for you.



    Yes I know the complex....what came before god if he came before the big bang (didn't god create everything)...Genius argument again, unexplainable yet so diverse....Seems funny I have to now prove there is no god, while you can use anything in support of god...Again i ask the simple question what CAME BEFORE GOD????

    I know I'm a fool to think someone wrote a book to control the masses, foolish thoughts so why did the crusades occur? How was religion SPREAD in Africa? Guess they just awoken to feel a presence, not like they got forced into religion

    It all comes down to control and power my friend, and if you cannot realize that then I truly wish you well but please don't butt into adult conversations I
     
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    I gotta go dream about the 72 bleeding pussies I'm about ready to bang, fucking cancer has me excited about that afterlife
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    Yes I know the complex....what came before god if he came before the big bang (didn't god create everything)...Genius argument again, unexplainable yet so diverse....Seems funny I have to now prove there is no god, while you can use anything in support of god...Again i ask the simple question what CAME BEFORE GOD????

    I know I'm a fool to think someone wrote a book to control the masses, foolish thoughts so why did the crusades occur? How was religion SPREAD in Africa? Guess they just awoken to feel a presence, not like they got forced into religion

    It all comes down to control and power my friend, and if you cannot realize that then I truly wish you well but please don't butt into adult conversations I

    With the big bang, time, space and matter began to exist. The big bang must have a cause. The cause must be outside of space, time and matter. BUT, u dont believe anything exists outside of space, time and matter, so u are cornered into believing something can come from nothing.

    SILLY YOU.

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    Yes I know the complex....what came before god if he came before the big bang (didn't god create everything)...Genius argument again, unexplainable yet so diverse....Seems funny I have to now prove there is no god, while you can use anything in support of god...Again i ask the simple question what CAME BEFORE GOD????

    I know I'm a fool to think someone wrote a book to control the masses, foolish thoughts so why did the crusades occur? How was religion SPREAD in Africa? Guess they just awoken to feel a presence, not like they got forced into religion

    It all comes down to control and power my friend, and if you cannot realize that then I truly wish you well but please don't butt into adult conversations I

    With the big bang, time, space and matter began to exist. The big bang must have a cause. The cause must be outside of space, time and matter. BUT, u dont believe anything exists outside of space, time and matter, so u are cornered into believing something can come from nothing.

    SILLY YOU.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mwhit82:

    I gotta go dream about the 72 bleeding pussies I'm about ready to bang, fucking cancer has me excited about that afterlife

    You sick?

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    I gotta go dream about the 72 bleeding pussies I'm about ready to bang, fucking cancer has me excited about that afterlife

    You sick?

     
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    mwhit82 - the universe to myself is the product of design. obviously the topic of religion has a partial control over you in your preordained reaction to the subject.

    christianity has been the context of the discussion, though, despite your views on the faith or any other religion, was it not your own choice to interact with myself.

    the trend of the post you cited was clear for van, but for you in your confusion, the message was taking the correct approach to information disguised as fact. which was to counter information that was being sourced as fact that did not wash through the truth of historical accounts, in relation to a particular subject concerning egypt.

    maybe the translation only came with the experience of the time it was posted in contrast to other threads.

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    mwhit82 - the universe to myself is the product of design. obviously the topic of religion has a partial control over you in your preordained reaction to the subject.

    christianity has been the context of the discussion, though, despite your views on the faith or any other religion, was it not your own choice to interact with myself.

    the trend of the post you cited was clear for van, but for you in your confusion, the message was taking the correct approach to information disguised as fact. which was to counter information that was being sourced as fact that did not wash through the truth of historical accounts, in relation to a particular subject concerning egypt.

    maybe the translation only came with the experience of the time it was posted in contrast to other threads.

     
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    mwhit82 - human discoveries + inovations gain new meaning when they are shared with others + this happens only when they are traded.

    the main beneficiaries of these business transactions are not those who create or consume new products but those who commercialize them. throughout the ages, marketeers have accumulated immense fortunes, + politicians have been well aware of their power. both have forged alliances to regulate, contain, + manipulate the market to their own advantage + for the benifit of entire nations.

    all major civializations rested on solid commercial structures that politicians defended with large armies; rome crushed carthage when hannibal blocked its flourishing trade with the northern regions of the italian peninsula. endless wars have been waged to gain control of key markets.

    venice, for example, bankrolled the fourth crusade to loot constantinople + clear the silk route of the presence of arab merchants, thus securing the monopoly.

    in modern times, the marshal plan provides one of best examples of how politics enslaves economics to redefine the rules of the market.

    you have read history + interpreted it very different to the way it was written.

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    mwhit82 - human discoveries + inovations gain new meaning when they are shared with others + this happens only when they are traded.

    the main beneficiaries of these business transactions are not those who create or consume new products but those who commercialize them. throughout the ages, marketeers have accumulated immense fortunes, + politicians have been well aware of their power. both have forged alliances to regulate, contain, + manipulate the market to their own advantage + for the benifit of entire nations.

    all major civializations rested on solid commercial structures that politicians defended with large armies; rome crushed carthage when hannibal blocked its flourishing trade with the northern regions of the italian peninsula. endless wars have been waged to gain control of key markets.

    venice, for example, bankrolled the fourth crusade to loot constantinople + clear the silk route of the presence of arab merchants, thus securing the monopoly.

    in modern times, the marshal plan provides one of best examples of how politics enslaves economics to redefine the rules of the market.

    you have read history + interpreted it very different to the way it was written.

     
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    ClubDirt - a christian who seeks a role of leadership should not overlook their own community, in that the church which has put the faith into damage control, requires immediate reform. with ministries + individuals that purposefully suppress the truth + present fallacious information, with this kind of behavior extremely evil + antithetical to biblical christianity.

    though, a christian involved in the political process must have greater communication + people management skills than their collegues, for the issues that have a distinct divide from christianity. one issue being, homosexuality.

    the bible proclaims that homosexual offenders will not inherit the kingdom of god. for god does not create a person with homosexual desires. the bible tells us that people become homosexuals because of sin + ultimately because of their own choice. a person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as some people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. though, that does not excuse the person’s choosing to sin by giving in to sinful desires. if a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger/rage, that does not make it right for him to give into those desires. the same is true with homosexuality in the word of god.

    so, how does a christian leader deal with the conflict of representing a homosexual?

    the bible does not describe homosexuality as a “greater” sin than any other. the bible states that he that said, do not commit adultery, said also, do not kill. now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

    the instructions of jesus were that god makes his sun to rise on the evil + on the good, and sends rain on the just + the unjust. so, a christian should not hold judgment, otherwise they themselves become a transgressor of the law. the christian-politician by right of god is to protect, feed + be gentle toward this group of the community, + leave judgement for god.

    christians seem to like to tell other people how to behave + act as if they never do anything wrong. they also tend to focus only upon a few moral issues - namely abortion + gay marriage - seemingly to the exclusion of more important issues, such as justice + care for the poor. is this the kind of behavior the bible commends or are these people acting against what biblical christianity actually stands for?

    if there is anything that is antithetical to christianity, it is a person who thinks that they can be righteous by their own good works. the bible says that all people are sinners + that none can meet god's standard for righteousness. since righteousness is not from what we do, but the result of what god has done for us, the christian should never act morally superior to other people.

    saying one is a christian, does not make them a christian. they usually are the ones that become public identities in the political arena or televangelists. though, christianity is to big of a market niche to be ignored, so it will always be exploited.

    the jewish faith survived under egyptian, babylonian + roman rule, and so can christianity be served under the liberties of the u.s' without having representation in the countries domestic or international affairs outside of voting.

    as for  evolution, nothing has yet to stand up under the close scrutiny of an in depth scientific evaluation. and yet, curiously, evolutionary thought prevails in the mainstream. thus, evolutionary scientists have disposed of true science, + replaced it with philosophy + imagination. evolution has become in a sense a scientific religion.

    an example of intelligent design is the dna' molecule. anyone who investigates see's it is an incredible micro, digital, error-correcting, redundant, self duplicating, information storage + retrieval system, with its own inherent language convention, that has the potential to develop any organism from raw biological material which screams that life is the result of i.d'.

    evolution states that matter + energy + random chance = incredibly complex life.

    creation states that matter + energy + information = incredibly complex life.

    the formula of intelligent design in the latter is supported by dna discoveries which does not support the formula of evolution. so a designer per say needs to be included in the conversation of life.

    as i agree with you dirt, that a position in government is not access to a microphone to be a spokesman for god, or the voice for any other personal belief. i liken the same to public teaching, that a student should be educated in the realms of science such as biochemistry + allowed to reach their own conclusion towards the origin of life.

    if one finds reason to believe in intelligent design, then they can take the initiative to link that designer with the christian god head themselves. and for those not excepting of a grand designer, they will be rewarded with a greater understanding in the field of science to build more educated based theories on their observation.

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    ClubDirt - a christian who seeks a role of leadership should not overlook their own community, in that the church which has put the faith into damage control, requires immediate reform. with ministries + individuals that purposefully suppress the truth + present fallacious information, with this kind of behavior extremely evil + antithetical to biblical christianity.

    though, a christian involved in the political process must have greater communication + people management skills than their collegues, for the issues that have a distinct divide from christianity. one issue being, homosexuality.

    the bible proclaims that homosexual offenders will not inherit the kingdom of god. for god does not create a person with homosexual desires. the bible tells us that people become homosexuals because of sin + ultimately because of their own choice. a person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as some people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. though, that does not excuse the person’s choosing to sin by giving in to sinful desires. if a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger/rage, that does not make it right for him to give into those desires. the same is true with homosexuality in the word of god.

    so, how does a christian leader deal with the conflict of representing a homosexual?

    the bible does not describe homosexuality as a “greater” sin than any other. the bible states that he that said, do not commit adultery, said also, do not kill. now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

    the instructions of jesus were that god makes his sun to rise on the evil + on the good, and sends rain on the just + the unjust. so, a christian should not hold judgment, otherwise they themselves become a transgressor of the law. the christian-politician by right of god is to protect, feed + be gentle toward this group of the community, + leave judgement for god.

    christians seem to like to tell other people how to behave + act as if they never do anything wrong. they also tend to focus only upon a few moral issues - namely abortion + gay marriage - seemingly to the exclusion of more important issues, such as justice + care for the poor. is this the kind of behavior the bible commends or are these people acting against what biblical christianity actually stands for?

    if there is anything that is antithetical to christianity, it is a person who thinks that they can be righteous by their own good works. the bible says that all people are sinners + that none can meet god's standard for righteousness. since righteousness is not from what we do, but the result of what god has done for us, the christian should never act morally superior to other people.

    saying one is a christian, does not make them a christian. they usually are the ones that become public identities in the political arena or televangelists. though, christianity is to big of a market niche to be ignored, so it will always be exploited.

    the jewish faith survived under egyptian, babylonian + roman rule, and so can christianity be served under the liberties of the u.s' without having representation in the countries domestic or international affairs outside of voting.

    as for  evolution, nothing has yet to stand up under the close scrutiny of an in depth scientific evaluation. and yet, curiously, evolutionary thought prevails in the mainstream. thus, evolutionary scientists have disposed of true science, + replaced it with philosophy + imagination. evolution has become in a sense a scientific religion.

    an example of intelligent design is the dna' molecule. anyone who investigates see's it is an incredible micro, digital, error-correcting, redundant, self duplicating, information storage + retrieval system, with its own inherent language convention, that has the potential to develop any organism from raw biological material which screams that life is the result of i.d'.

    evolution states that matter + energy + random chance = incredibly complex life.

    creation states that matter + energy + information = incredibly complex life.

    the formula of intelligent design in the latter is supported by dna discoveries which does not support the formula of evolution. so a designer per say needs to be included in the conversation of life.

    as i agree with you dirt, that a position in government is not access to a microphone to be a spokesman for god, or the voice for any other personal belief. i liken the same to public teaching, that a student should be educated in the realms of science such as biochemistry + allowed to reach their own conclusion towards the origin of life.

    if one finds reason to believe in intelligent design, then they can take the initiative to link that designer with the christian god head themselves. and for those not excepting of a grand designer, they will be rewarded with a greater understanding in the field of science to build more educated based theories on their observation.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MontGarry:

    "A devout Athiest, clutching the book of scientific reason at his bosom, is as mind-numbingly fucking annoying and misguided as the man who thinks a demon has just been cast out of him because some charlatan waived his silk jacket at the crowd in his general direction"

    "A close second is the Christian, who at the mere mention of the word God, does some creative substitution and comes up with Jesus is responsible for the whole shooting match"

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    "A devout Athiest, clutching the book of scientific reason at his bosom, is as mind-numbingly fucking annoying and misguided as the man who thinks a demon has just been cast out of him because some charlatan waived his silk jacket at the crowd in his general direction"

    "A close second is the Christian, who at the mere mention of the word God, does some creative substitution and comes up with Jesus is responsible for the whole shooting match"

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