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    Just because it is the slow season for sports, doesnt mean it has to be the slow season for religious debates.  Im bored, so here goes:

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    Apart from the most rabid fundamentalists among us, nearly everyone admits that the Bible might contain errors -- a faulty creation story here, a historical mistake there, a contradiction or two in some other place. But is it possible that the problem is worse than that -- that the Bible actually contains lies?

    Most people wouldn't put it that way, since the Bible is, after all, sacred Scripture for millions on our planet. But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that the Bible is full of lies, even if they refuse to use the term. And here is the truth: Many of the books of the New Testament were written by people who lied about their identity, claiming to be a famous apostle -- Peter, Paul or James -- knowing full well they were someone else. In modern parlance, that is a lie, and a book written by someone who lies about his identity is a forgery.

    Most modern scholars of the Bible shy away from these terms, and for understandable reasons, some having to do with their clientele. Teaching in Christian seminaries, or to largely Christian undergraduate populations, who wants to denigrate the cherished texts of Scripture by calling them forgeries built on lies? And so scholars use a different term for this phenomenon and call such books "pseudepigrapha."

    You will find this antiseptic term throughout the writings of modern scholars of the Bible. It's the term used in university classes on the New Testament, and in seminary courses, and in Ph.D. seminars. What the people who use the term do not tell you is that it literally means "writing that is inscribed with a lie."

    And that's what such writings are. Whoever wrote the New Testament book of 2 Peter claimed to be Peter. But scholars everywhere -- except for our friends among the fundamentalists -- will tell you that there is no way on God's green earth that Peter wrote the book. Someone else wrote it claiming to be Peter. Scholars may also tell you that it was an acceptable practice in the ancient world for someone to write a book in the name of someone else. But that is where they are wrong. If you look at what ancient people actually said about the practice, you'll see that they invariably called it lying and condemned it as a deceitful practice, even in Christian circles. 2 Peter was finally accepted into the New Testament because the church fathers, centuries later, were convinced that Peter wrote it. But he didn't. Someone else did. And that someone else lied about his identity.

    The same is true of many of the letters allegedly written by Paul. Most scholars will tell you that whereas seven of the 13 letters that go under Paul's name are his, the other six are not. Their authors merely claimed to be Paul. In the ancient world, books like that were labeled as pseudoi -- lies.

    This may all seem like a bit of antiquarian curiosity, especially for people whose lives don't depend on the Bible or even people of faith for whom biblical matters are a peripheral interest at best. But in fact, it matters sometimes. Whoever wrote the book of 1 Timothy claimed to be Paul. But he was lying about that -- he was someone else living after Paul had died. In his book, the author of 1 Timothy used Paul's name and authority to address a problem that he saw in the church. Women were speaking out, exercising authority and teaching men. That had to stop. The author told women to be silent and submissive, and reminded his readers about what happened the first time a woman was allowed to exercise authority over a man, in that little incident in the garden of Eden. No, the author argued, if women wanted to be saved, they were to have babies (1 Tim. 2:11-15).

    Largely on the basis of this passage, the apostle Paul has been branded, by more liberation minded people of recent generations, as one of history's great misogynists. The problem, of course, is that Paul never said any such thing. And why does it matter? Because the passage is still used by church leaders today to oppress and silence women. Why are there no women priests in the Catholic Church? Why are women not allowed to preach in conservative evangelical churches? Why are there churches today that do not allow women even to speak? In no small measure it is because Paul allegedly taught that women had to be silent, submissive and pregnant. Except that the person who taught this was not Paul, but someone lying about his identity so that his readers would think he was Paul.

    It may be one of the greatest ironies of the Christian scriptures that some of them insist on truth, while telling a lie. For no author is truth more important than for the "Paul" of Ephesians. He refers to the gospel as "the word of truth" (1:13); he indicates that the "truth is in Jesus"; he tells his readers to "speak the truth" to their neighbors (4:24-25); and he instructs his readers to "fasten the belt of truth around your waist" (6:14). And yet he himself lied about who he was. He was not really Paul.

    It appears that some of the New Testament writers, such as the authors of 2 Peter, 1 Timothy and Ephesians, felt they were perfectly justified to lie in order to tell the truth. But we today can at least evaluate their claims and realize just how human, and fallible, they were. They were creatures of their time and place. And so too were their teachings, lies and all.

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    Just because it is the slow season for sports, doesnt mean it has to be the slow season for religious debates.  Im bored, so here goes:

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    Apart from the most rabid fundamentalists among us, nearly everyone admits that the Bible might contain errors -- a faulty creation story here, a historical mistake there, a contradiction or two in some other place. But is it possible that the problem is worse than that -- that the Bible actually contains lies?

    Most people wouldn't put it that way, since the Bible is, after all, sacred Scripture for millions on our planet. But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that the Bible is full of lies, even if they refuse to use the term. And here is the truth: Many of the books of the New Testament were written by people who lied about their identity, claiming to be a famous apostle -- Peter, Paul or James -- knowing full well they were someone else. In modern parlance, that is a lie, and a book written by someone who lies about his identity is a forgery.

    Most modern scholars of the Bible shy away from these terms, and for understandable reasons, some having to do with their clientele. Teaching in Christian seminaries, or to largely Christian undergraduate populations, who wants to denigrate the cherished texts of Scripture by calling them forgeries built on lies? And so scholars use a different term for this phenomenon and call such books "pseudepigrapha."

    You will find this antiseptic term throughout the writings of modern scholars of the Bible. It's the term used in university classes on the New Testament, and in seminary courses, and in Ph.D. seminars. What the people who use the term do not tell you is that it literally means "writing that is inscribed with a lie."

    And that's what such writings are. Whoever wrote the New Testament book of 2 Peter claimed to be Peter. But scholars everywhere -- except for our friends among the fundamentalists -- will tell you that there is no way on God's green earth that Peter wrote the book. Someone else wrote it claiming to be Peter. Scholars may also tell you that it was an acceptable practice in the ancient world for someone to write a book in the name of someone else. But that is where they are wrong. If you look at what ancient people actually said about the practice, you'll see that they invariably called it lying and condemned it as a deceitful practice, even in Christian circles. 2 Peter was finally accepted into the New Testament because the church fathers, centuries later, were convinced that Peter wrote it. But he didn't. Someone else did. And that someone else lied about his identity.

    The same is true of many of the letters allegedly written by Paul. Most scholars will tell you that whereas seven of the 13 letters that go under Paul's name are his, the other six are not. Their authors merely claimed to be Paul. In the ancient world, books like that were labeled as pseudoi -- lies.

    This may all seem like a bit of antiquarian curiosity, especially for people whose lives don't depend on the Bible or even people of faith for whom biblical matters are a peripheral interest at best. But in fact, it matters sometimes. Whoever wrote the book of 1 Timothy claimed to be Paul. But he was lying about that -- he was someone else living after Paul had died. In his book, the author of 1 Timothy used Paul's name and authority to address a problem that he saw in the church. Women were speaking out, exercising authority and teaching men. That had to stop. The author told women to be silent and submissive, and reminded his readers about what happened the first time a woman was allowed to exercise authority over a man, in that little incident in the garden of Eden. No, the author argued, if women wanted to be saved, they were to have babies (1 Tim. 2:11-15).

    Largely on the basis of this passage, the apostle Paul has been branded, by more liberation minded people of recent generations, as one of history's great misogynists. The problem, of course, is that Paul never said any such thing. And why does it matter? Because the passage is still used by church leaders today to oppress and silence women. Why are there no women priests in the Catholic Church? Why are women not allowed to preach in conservative evangelical churches? Why are there churches today that do not allow women even to speak? In no small measure it is because Paul allegedly taught that women had to be silent, submissive and pregnant. Except that the person who taught this was not Paul, but someone lying about his identity so that his readers would think he was Paul.

    It may be one of the greatest ironies of the Christian scriptures that some of them insist on truth, while telling a lie. For no author is truth more important than for the "Paul" of Ephesians. He refers to the gospel as "the word of truth" (1:13); he indicates that the "truth is in Jesus"; he tells his readers to "speak the truth" to their neighbors (4:24-25); and he instructs his readers to "fasten the belt of truth around your waist" (6:14). And yet he himself lied about who he was. He was not really Paul.

    It appears that some of the New Testament writers, such as the authors of 2 Peter, 1 Timothy and Ephesians, felt they were perfectly justified to lie in order to tell the truth. But we today can at least evaluate their claims and realize just how human, and fallible, they were. They were creatures of their time and place. And so too were their teachings, lies and all.

     
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    Too many words  

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amp:

    Too many words  

    Cliff notes:

    Lots of the Bible is a forgery.

    (if you didn't know that already, it would be surprising, but just wanted to see the opinions of some of our nutjobs at covers on this)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amp:

    Too many words  

    Cliff notes:

    Lots of the Bible is a forgery.

    (if you didn't know that already, it would be surprising, but just wanted to see the opinions of some of our nutjobs at covers on this)

     
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    That is evidenced by the many re-writings, re-translations and re-wordings that have been done to the bible over the years.
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    That is evidenced by the many re-writings, re-translations and re-wordings that have been done to the bible over the years.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 28, 2011 - 4:44 PM ET #5

    who is to say the bible wasn't some fiction book that was written a long time ago that became popular?

    some dude with super powers?? lol ya right, all those people blindly believing in some fantasy story LOLOLOLOLOLOL
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    who is to say the bible wasn't some fiction book that was written a long time ago that became popular?

    some dude with super powers?? lol ya right, all those people blindly believing in some fantasy story LOLOLOLOLOLOL
     
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    Sounds to me van like the criticism in that link isn't necessarily with the text of the entries themselves but just that they were written by people who weren't actually who they claimed. I'd say for the vast majority of written people, they don't/won't care. It's the underlying message, as opposed to the messenger, that most religious people seem to focus on.

    Interesting thoughts though. I always had problems with the Bible's accuracy just due to translation issues and difficulties.
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    Sounds to me van like the criticism in that link isn't necessarily with the text of the entries themselves but just that they were written by people who weren't actually who they claimed. I'd say for the vast majority of written people, they don't/won't care. It's the underlying message, as opposed to the messenger, that most religious people seem to focus on.

    Interesting thoughts though. I always had problems with the Bible's accuracy just due to translation issues and difficulties.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Sounds to me van like the criticism in that link isn't necessarily with the text of the entries themselves but just that they were written by people who weren't actually who they claimed. I'd say for the vast majority of written people, they don't/won't care. It's the underlying message, as opposed to the messenger, that most religious people seem to focus on.

    Interesting thoughts though. I always had problems with the Bible's accuracy just due to translation issues and difficulties.

    Agree.

    But the history is interesting nonetheless.  I wonder if most fundamentalists know or take the time to examine that the Bible wasnt written until hundreds of years after Christ, and the historical context.  They might not care - as you state - but it would seem to me if you are going to base your life on a book, it would be important.

    But I am just a moron on the highway to hell, so what do I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Sounds to me van like the criticism in that link isn't necessarily with the text of the entries themselves but just that they were written by people who weren't actually who they claimed. I'd say for the vast majority of written people, they don't/won't care. It's the underlying message, as opposed to the messenger, that most religious people seem to focus on.

    Interesting thoughts though. I always had problems with the Bible's accuracy just due to translation issues and difficulties.

    Agree.

    But the history is interesting nonetheless.  I wonder if most fundamentalists know or take the time to examine that the Bible wasnt written until hundreds of years after Christ, and the historical context.  They might not care - as you state - but it would seem to me if you are going to base your life on a book, it would be important.

    But I am just a moron on the highway to hell, so what do I know.

     
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    HA! I was thinking more along the lines of a Sept 11 false flag terrorism thread. I'm looking into the possibility that Hunter S Thompson was suicided. He had begun to research the possibility of false flag ops and supposedly had found some solid evidence for controlled demolition in the lower floors of the towers.

    This guy was a beacon of light during a time of social insanity and the smog has still not cleared. Here is an interview of Thompson predicting a predatory invasion of Iraq like the sharpest of sports bettors.

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    HA! I was thinking more along the lines of a Sept 11 false flag terrorism thread. I'm looking into the possibility that Hunter S Thompson was suicided. He had begun to research the possibility of false flag ops and supposedly had found some solid evidence for controlled demolition in the lower floors of the towers.

    This guy was a beacon of light during a time of social insanity and the smog has still not cleared. Here is an interview of Thompson predicting a predatory invasion of Iraq like the sharpest of sports bettors.

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    I don't want or need a "God" in my life. 

    I understand others need to have an imaginary friend in the sky to help them try and understand things.

    Sadly it's all made up. All of it.

    You don't need religion or God to be a good person and do good things. Just like you don't need to be an atheist to do bad and horrible things.

    We all go through life with blinders over our eyes. We are destroying our planet and our future but nothing is done to seriously make a difference. Instead of searching for God we should look in the mirror and improve our lives ourselves. We have the power. Greed and delusion will be our demise.

    Its 2011. The people we trust our futures with are still praying to their imaginary friends. Time to wake up. It doesn't matter if there is a God or not. Who cares. We don't need God to improve our futures. 

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    I don't want or need a "God" in my life. 

    I understand others need to have an imaginary friend in the sky to help them try and understand things.

    Sadly it's all made up. All of it.

    You don't need religion or God to be a good person and do good things. Just like you don't need to be an atheist to do bad and horrible things.

    We all go through life with blinders over our eyes. We are destroying our planet and our future but nothing is done to seriously make a difference. Instead of searching for God we should look in the mirror and improve our lives ourselves. We have the power. Greed and delusion will be our demise.

    Its 2011. The people we trust our futures with are still praying to their imaginary friends. Time to wake up. It doesn't matter if there is a God or not. Who cares. We don't need God to improve our futures. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBaby11:

    I don't want or need a "God" in my life. 

    I understand others need to have an imaginary friend in the sky to help them try and understand things.

    Sadly it's all made up. All of it.

    You don't need religion or God to be a good person and do good things. Just like you don't need to be an atheist to do bad and horrible things.

    We all go through life with blinders over our eyes. We are destroying our planet and our future but nothing is done to seriously make a difference. Instead of searching for God we should look in the mirror and improve our lives ourselves. We have the power. Greed and delusion will be our demise.

    Its 2011. The people we trust our futures with are still praying to their imaginary friends. Time to wake up. It doesn't matter if there is a God or not. Who cares. We don't need God to improve our futures. 

    I like that.

    Unfortunately, it is too late.  There is no "future".  Humans existence on this planet will be a blip on the timeline of the earth.  It is unsustainable for life for any longterm period, and the course of events cannot be changed.  Maybe lengthened by a nanosecond or two, but nothing significant.

    Oh well.  Not much else to do except enjoy every moment you have.  Not doom and gloom, just reality - in fact when you dont have the burden of religion - life and death is pretty easy to digest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBaby11:

    I don't want or need a "God" in my life. 

    I understand others need to have an imaginary friend in the sky to help them try and understand things.

    Sadly it's all made up. All of it.

    You don't need religion or God to be a good person and do good things. Just like you don't need to be an atheist to do bad and horrible things.

    We all go through life with blinders over our eyes. We are destroying our planet and our future but nothing is done to seriously make a difference. Instead of searching for God we should look in the mirror and improve our lives ourselves. We have the power. Greed and delusion will be our demise.

    Its 2011. The people we trust our futures with are still praying to their imaginary friends. Time to wake up. It doesn't matter if there is a God or not. Who cares. We don't need God to improve our futures. 

    I like that.

    Unfortunately, it is too late.  There is no "future".  Humans existence on this planet will be a blip on the timeline of the earth.  It is unsustainable for life for any longterm period, and the course of events cannot be changed.  Maybe lengthened by a nanosecond or two, but nothing significant.

    Oh well.  Not much else to do except enjoy every moment you have.  Not doom and gloom, just reality - in fact when you dont have the burden of religion - life and death is pretty easy to digest.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 28, 2011 - 5:01 PM ET #11

    Is Buddhism a lie too?   To me if you write about the truth and say your name is Paul, but is not, the truth you write about is still the truth.  It is not about the writer, it is about the message.

    Religion is so inflammatory today with the Middle East in crisis, it will be Muslims and person and Catholics and Christians waging wars against each  other.  our resources are finite and you need look no further than Japan to see the destructive powers of mother nature and man working in unison.

    The Bible's version of the end of days is near as is the Mayan calendar version and Muslim version.  Buddhism has no issues as we are all fated to die regardless as Buddha was here before the world was created, here is here now and will be here after the world as we know it is gone.
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    Is Buddhism a lie too?   To me if you write about the truth and say your name is Paul, but is not, the truth you write about is still the truth.  It is not about the writer, it is about the message.

    Religion is so inflammatory today with the Middle East in crisis, it will be Muslims and person and Catholics and Christians waging wars against each  other.  our resources are finite and you need look no further than Japan to see the destructive powers of mother nature and man working in unison.

    The Bible's version of the end of days is near as is the Mayan calendar version and Muslim version.  Buddhism has no issues as we are all fated to die regardless as Buddha was here before the world was created, here is here now and will be here after the world as we know it is gone.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 28, 2011 - 5:14 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    I like that.

    Unfortunately, it is too late.  There is no "future".  Humans existence on this planet will be a blip on the timeline of the earth.  It is unsustainable for life for any longterm period, and the course of events cannot be changed.  Maybe lengthened by a nanosecond or two, but nothing significant.

    Oh well.  Not much else to do except enjoy every moment you have.  Not doom and gloom, just reality - in fact when you dont have the burden of religion - life and death is pretty easy to digest.


    Life without religion is beautiful and wonderful. Personally I am a much better person without religion. I can't fathom dedicating my life to something I can't see or interact with. It's that simple of a decision for me. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    I like that.

    Unfortunately, it is too late.  There is no "future".  Humans existence on this planet will be a blip on the timeline of the earth.  It is unsustainable for life for any longterm period, and the course of events cannot be changed.  Maybe lengthened by a nanosecond or two, but nothing significant.

    Oh well.  Not much else to do except enjoy every moment you have.  Not doom and gloom, just reality - in fact when you dont have the burden of religion - life and death is pretty easy to digest.


    Life without religion is beautiful and wonderful. Personally I am a much better person without religion. I can't fathom dedicating my life to something I can't see or interact with. It's that simple of a decision for me. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 28, 2011 - 5:18 PM ET #13

    Van you should go to your nearest church and debate this with a priest and then report back here as to how the convo went.
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    Van you should go to your nearest church and debate this with a priest and then report back here as to how the convo went.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 28, 2011 - 5:32 PM ET #14

    LOL. If you paste and copy a few sentences from Van's post in a search engine you can see that Van pasted and copied the whole thing!!
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    LOL. If you paste and copy a few sentences from Van's post in a search engine you can see that Van pasted and copied the whole thing!!
     
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    no women priest in the catholic church because the cult had all the money and power and they didn't want a women to have that much wealth-that's why they couldn't get married too

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    no women priest in the catholic church because the cult had all the money and power and they didn't want a women to have that much wealth-that's why they couldn't get married too

     
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    Posted: Mar. 28, 2011 - 5:36 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by d_monay:

    LOL. If you paste and copy a few sentences from Van's post in a search engine you can see that Van pasted and copied the whole thing!!

    I linked the article Einstein.

    Let me guess, Christian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by d_monay:

    LOL. If you paste and copy a few sentences from Van's post in a search engine you can see that Van pasted and copied the whole thing!!

    I linked the article Einstein.

    Let me guess, Christian?

     
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    Posted: Mar. 28, 2011 - 6:53 PM ET #18

    You either believe the bible is true or you believe the authors are the greatest cappers to ever live on this earth

    Its upto you to believe

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    You either believe the bible is true or you believe the authors are the greatest cappers to ever live on this earth

    Its upto you to believe

     
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    Well God bless you all with riches and health and maybe finding your birth father anyways.
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    Well God bless you all with riches and health and maybe finding your birth father anyways.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    You either believe the bible is true or you believe the authors are the greatest cappers to ever live on this earth

    Its upto you to believe


    Not the "greatest cappers ever to live"  
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    You either believe the bible is true or you believe the authors are the greatest cappers to ever live on this earth

    Its upto you to believe


    Not the "greatest cappers ever to live"  
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBaby11:


    Life without religion is beautiful and wonderful. Personally I am a much better person without religion. I can't fathom dedicating my life to something I can't see or interact with. It's that simple of a decision for me. 

    Far more people have been killed in the name of the national state, nationalism, economic expansion, racial hatred etc than religion.

    You just dont like religion cause you dont want to be held accountable for sin. Why not, lets do what we want without being held accountable. Isnt that beautiful....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBaby11:


    Life without religion is beautiful and wonderful. Personally I am a much better person without religion. I can't fathom dedicating my life to something I can't see or interact with. It's that simple of a decision for me. 

    Far more people have been killed in the name of the national state, nationalism, economic expansion, racial hatred etc than religion.

    You just dont like religion cause you dont want to be held accountable for sin. Why not, lets do what we want without being held accountable. Isnt that beautiful....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Not the "greatest cappers ever to live"  
    line again 

    So if someone predicts over 500 things WITHOUT having the technology we do today, what would you call them? No i am not talking about wars, disease etc. Talking specifics in the bible couldnt have been known unless we have the technology that we know today

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    Not the "greatest cappers ever to live"  
    line again 

    So if someone predicts over 500 things WITHOUT having the technology we do today, what would you call them? No i am not talking about wars, disease etc. Talking specifics in the bible couldnt have been known unless we have the technology that we know today

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Far more people have been killed in the name of the national state, nationalism, economic expansion, racial hatred etc than religion.

    You just dont like religion cause you dont want to be held accountable for sin. Why not, lets do what we want without being held accountable. Isnt that beautiful....


    That's not accurate at all. I share many of the values and beliefs that organized religion teaches. I just don't agree with having to make up a "God" who will punish you if you don't follow. What religious people call sin in many cases I call common sense. I don't need religion or the fear of hell to know it's wrong to steal or to murder etc. Its common sense. Why would I want to do those sorts of things anyway? Do you?

    I'm alarmed that you correlate doing what you want and sin. So if it were proven tomorrow that religion was made up  you would you go steal, rape and kill anyone because you wanted to and were no longer accountable?

    My world has no God and no religion. I absolutely have no inclination to do any of those things. Obviously I am not accountable in the way you think Religion would make me and yet I'm not going out and doing things you would call "sins"

     Is your religion the only thing stopping you from doing what you want?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Far more people have been killed in the name of the national state, nationalism, economic expansion, racial hatred etc than religion.

    You just dont like religion cause you dont want to be held accountable for sin. Why not, lets do what we want without being held accountable. Isnt that beautiful....


    That's not accurate at all. I share many of the values and beliefs that organized religion teaches. I just don't agree with having to make up a "God" who will punish you if you don't follow. What religious people call sin in many cases I call common sense. I don't need religion or the fear of hell to know it's wrong to steal or to murder etc. Its common sense. Why would I want to do those sorts of things anyway? Do you?

    I'm alarmed that you correlate doing what you want and sin. So if it were proven tomorrow that religion was made up  you would you go steal, rape and kill anyone because you wanted to and were no longer accountable?

    My world has no God and no religion. I absolutely have no inclination to do any of those things. Obviously I am not accountable in the way you think Religion would make me and yet I'm not going out and doing things you would call "sins"

     Is your religion the only thing stopping you from doing what you want?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBaby11:


    That's not accurate at all. I share many of the values and beliefs that organized religion teaches. I just don't agree with having to make up a "God" who will punish you if you don't follow. What religious people call sin in many cases I call common sense. I don't need religion or the fear of hell to know it's wrong to steal or to murder etc. Its common sense. Why would I want to do those sorts of things anyway? Do you?

    I'm alarmed that you correlate doing what you want and sin. So if it were proven tomorrow that religion was made up  you would you go steal, rape and kill anyone because you wanted to and were no longer accountable?

    My world has no God and no religion. I absolutely have no inclination to do any of those things. Obviously I am not accountable in the way you think Religion would make me and yet I'm not going out and doing things you would call "sins"

     Is your religion the only thing stopping you from doing what you want?

    If you believe that, then the only thing stopping you is the fear of getting caught.

    If there is no God, if i can get away with it completely, give me 1 GOOD REASON why i shouldnt steal someones wallet that i dont know.

    1 good reason

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBaby11:


    That's not accurate at all. I share many of the values and beliefs that organized religion teaches. I just don't agree with having to make up a "God" who will punish you if you don't follow. What religious people call sin in many cases I call common sense. I don't need religion or the fear of hell to know it's wrong to steal or to murder etc. Its common sense. Why would I want to do those sorts of things anyway? Do you?

    I'm alarmed that you correlate doing what you want and sin. So if it were proven tomorrow that religion was made up  you would you go steal, rape and kill anyone because you wanted to and were no longer accountable?

    My world has no God and no religion. I absolutely have no inclination to do any of those things. Obviously I am not accountable in the way you think Religion would make me and yet I'm not going out and doing things you would call "sins"

     Is your religion the only thing stopping you from doing what you want?

    If you believe that, then the only thing stopping you is the fear of getting caught.

    If there is no God, if i can get away with it completely, give me 1 GOOD REASON why i shouldnt steal someones wallet that i dont know.

    1 good reason

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    So if someone predicts over 500 things WITHOUT having the technology we do today, what would you call them? No i am not talking about wars, disease etc. Talking specifics in the bible couldnt have been known unless we have the technology that we know today

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    I hope you preach to people you meet everyday Rostos .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    So if someone predicts over 500 things WITHOUT having the technology we do today, what would you call them? No i am not talking about wars, disease etc. Talking specifics in the bible couldnt have been known unless we have the technology that we know today

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    I hope you preach to people you meet everyday Rostos .....

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