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Quote Originally Posted by RichardA:

Vanzack...don't worry about whether their is a God or not etc..you committed an UNFORGIVABLE sin when you disrespected the Holy Ghost...just keep doing what you are doing, nothing really matters  after that...

Yeah, OK.  The holy ghost.

How can anyone take anything you say seriously?

Maybe you should live your life as an example for jesus, instead of spending all day on a gambling website touting political ideals that jesus would despise, and make yourself a vessel for what jesus would really like you to be doing.

Or, maybe, just be a douche your whole life.

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Quote Originally Posted by RichardA:

can you all just STFU

With rare exception, almost ALL of you are destined to an eternity burning in hellfire.

 Talking about it at this late point in your sin filled life's, won't change a thing..so, drop the subject your fate is SEALED already.



And people wonder why religion is mocked and laughed at
 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

Im going to stop you right there.

I said above, in a previous post - that this point has nothing to do with the existence of god or jesus.  And I didnt say you are hypocrites for gambling - I said for wasting time on this website - although they both could be considered one and the same.

You know jesus would find fault in spending a large part of your time doing anything except walking the good walk.  Jesus would condemn your car, your computer, and your lifestyle.  You know that.  That is why you are a hypocrite.

What am i doing here talking to atheists? Arent i doing what Jesus told his disiples to do? "Spread the gospel?"

 
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you're going to hell, I'm not.  We will see who gets the last laugh...

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So are you accusing that before we are about to sin, we just say, "stuff it, i will do this and then ask for forgiveness?"

If i am about to rape someone, do i say, i will do this, then ask for forgiveness and all will be right? I dont think it works like that.

But that is exactly what you are saying.

I said that jesus would not approve of you living the lifestyle you do, and you say to me that you are not perfect and you are a sinner, and that you will ask forgiveness.

Have you done anything to live more christlike since I brought this to your attention?  Are you planning on selling all of your stuff and attending to the poor and disadvantaged?  Would jesus own a cadillac, house, computer, and work at a corporation if he were alive today?

So yes, I am saying exactly what you think I am saying.  I am saying that you dont really believe fully what you are telling me - because that is the only logical conclusion one could come to - being that the stakes are so high, and you continue to live in sin KNOWINGLY.

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Posted: #356
Quote Originally Posted by RichardA:

you're going to hell, I'm not.  We will see who gets the last laugh...

Keep being "hero of the stupid" 

you, my friend, are one of the biggest problems with Christianity.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

What am i doing here talking to atheists? Arent i doing what Jesus told his disiples to do? "Spread the gospel?"

That is not why you are on covers, but great rationalization.

Just answer this - would jesus rather you be posting on covers, driving your car, going to your job - or would he rather you sell all your stuff and go help the disadvantaged.

But I forgot, you can just ask for forgiveness later.

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you, my friend, are one of the biggest problems with Christianity.


don't worry about what I am, or am not..worry about yourself only.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

Once again, as previously stated in this thread - repetitiion of the same mantra over and over does not make it right.

Science may not be able to explain why you like chocolate or vanilla, but why does that mean god is the answer to that question?  Why cant it just be that we dont know why you like choc over vanilla?

Society has dictated that rape and murder are wrong.  We all have an inate sense of compassion, that doesnt have to come from a creator.  It might be based on self preservation instinct, or any number of chemical reactions in our brain that we cant explain yet.

Until YOU explain why god HAS to be the answer to every unknown question, you are not advancing this debate or your position one iota.

Ahhh, "SOCIETY DICTATES WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG", In the atheist view that is 100% correct. Therefore if that is true, then Tribe societies that kill and eat other tribe members are correct in what they are doing.

Who were raised in a society where it is wrong, but the people brought up in that scoiety think it is correct. It is OUR society's opinion v theres. No different to one group of people think Albert Pujols is better than A Rod.......

if there is NO God, then morals are SUBJECTIVE, each person decides what is right ot wrong.

Man is therefore in NO position to judge what the other person is doing is right or wrong.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

Fixed it for ya.

You are missing the point, i have heard atheists say thay even if God can proven, they would not worship him. They would prefer to rot in hell rather than there pride falling. You dont know it, but mans pride is his downfall

 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

But that is exactly what you are saying.

I said that jesus would not approve of you living the lifestyle you do, and you say to me that you are not perfect and you are a sinner, and that you will ask forgiveness.

Have you done anything to live more christlike since I brought this to your attention?  Are you planning on selling all of your stuff and attending to the poor and disadvantaged?  Would jesus own a cadillac, house, computer, and work at a corporation if he were alive today?

So yes, I am saying exactly what you think I am saying.  I am saying that you dont really believe fully what you are telling me - because that is the only logical conclusion one could come to - being that the stakes are so high, and you continue to live in sin KNOWINGLY.

Again, it is one thing to believe and to act it out. We are humans, that is why God sent his only son down to redeem. If a human is capable of living a sin free life, then he wouldnt have come. It shows to you that it is IMPOSSIBLE to be sin free. Just cause you believe doesnt mean that you have the ABILITY to BE SIN FREE.

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Ahhh, "SOCIETY DICTATES WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG", In the atheist view that is 100% correct. Therefore if that is true, then Tribe societies that kill and eat other tribe members are correct in what they are doing.

Who were raised in a society where it is wrong, but the people brought up in that scoiety think it is correct. It is OUR society's opinion v theres. No different to one group of people think Albert Pujols is better than A Rod.......

if there is NO God, then morals are SUBJECTIVE, each person decides what is right ot wrong.

Man is therefore in NO position to judge what the other person is doing is right or wrong.

Morals are certainly subjective.  Anyone who says differently doesnt have a good grasp of history.  Afterall, why does YOUR BIBLE advocate slavery, stoning, raping, and killing?  You would answer "it was a different time back then" - so fine - obviously morals were different then than they are now.

So in todays society, we now have decided that the morality of slavery is not acceptable - so we have judged recently to change our morality on the practice of slavery.  If you were alive 1000 years ago, you would have had no moral problems with slavery.  The morality has evolved because humans have evolved.

The only change there is human change over time.  Humans of course are in a position to judge other humans - we dont need a divine code of law to be in a position to judge other humans - we simply need an agreement amongst humans as to what is right and what is wrong - and a society to enforce those rules and moralities.

You have continued down this road of debate and I am somewhat confused what your point is or where you are going with this.  Please dont just repeat your position, try to articulate it clearly - I honestly dont understand your point.

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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

That is not why you are on covers, but great rationalization.

Just answer this - would jesus rather you be posting on covers, driving your car, going to your job - or would he rather you sell all your stuff and go help the disadvantaged.

But I forgot, you can just ask for forgiveness later.

Wether i am on covers, actually i would think judging by how many non believers there are on this site, God would be happy on this site spreading the news to non believers.

Furthermore, internet, work and car are mediums to which i can easily spread the word

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

You are missing the point, i have heard atheists say thay even if God can proven, they would not worship him. They would prefer to rot in hell rather than there pride falling. You dont know it, but mans pride is his downfall

That is silly anecdotal bullshit.

All god would have to do to get everyone on board - and I mean everyone - is stop playing cryptic messages in tea leaves and just one time do something undeniable.  Some suggestions:

1.  Appear on everyones TV and just to make sure its not a trick, hand everyone watching an ice cream cone.

2.  Tell a prophet that he is to appear somewhere cool, like at the Staples Center at HT of the Lakers game - and then make a series of half court shots only using his mind.

After that, there isnt a soul on earth that wouldnt get in line.  Which is exactly the reason that I find it so funny that you and your colleagues pretend that the reason you are not christlke is because you can pray afterwards for forgiveness and you are not perfect.

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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Wether i am on covers, actually i would think judging by how many non believers there are on this site, God would be happy on this site spreading the news to non believers.

Furthermore, internet, work and car are mediums to which i can easily spread the word

All rationalization.

Would jesus have a job?  Would jesus have a car?  Would jesus post on covers?

You could do more.  You justify your meager effort for jesus so that you can sleep better at night.  Have you been to Africa, or Haiti, or Kazhakstan?  You can pretend those places dont exist, but jesus wouldnt.  Jesus wouldnt find it amusing that you get mad when you dont have the money to buy a BMW and have to settle for a Ford, when there half the people in the world dont have food.  And I dont think he would say the best use of your time is doing what you are doing.

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My favorite post in this whole thread is post #338.

derogatory crap?  actually the Bible sought to give rights to slaves and woman in a culture where they had zero voice.  it triumphs woman, the poor, and the outcast.  it is the first civil rights piece of literature ever written. 

not to say there aren't any inconsistencies...see my prior comment about many authors telling the same story.
 
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And then when I post verse after verse of rape and slavery, I get zero response.
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

Morals are certainly subjective.  Anyone who says differently doesnt have a good grasp of history.  Afterall, why does YOUR BIBLE advocate slavery, stoning, raping, and killing?  You would answer "it was a different time back then" - so fine - obviously morals were different then than they are now.

So in todays society, we now have decided that the morality of slavery is not acceptable - so we have judged recently to change our morality on the practice of slavery.  If you were alive 1000 years ago, you would have had no moral problems with slavery.  The morality has evolved because humans have evolved.

The only change there is human change over time.  Humans of course are in a position to judge other humans - we dont need a divine code of law to be in a position to judge other humans - we simply need an agreement amongst humans as to what is right and what is wrong - and a society to enforce those rules and moralities.

You have continued down this road of debate and I am somewhat confused what your point is or where you are going with this.  Please dont just repeat your position, try to articulate it clearly - I honestly dont understand your point.

So if morals are subjective, then morals become the result of the socio and bioligical evolutionary process.

Therefore, you CANNOT look at tribes and say what they are doing is ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

If i came on here and said i raped a child, NO ONE HERE CAN SAY what you did was ABSOLUTELY WRONG. Absolute is the key word here.

Remember, you said morals are subjective, each man decides what is right or wrong.

With God, morals are not only absolute but are objective. It says thou shall not kill, therefore, if we look at the tribe, according to God, what they are doing is absolutely wrong,.

Now you sight violence in the bible, God is giving commands to kill. They are Gods commands, he gives life, he takes life. He saw it fit to kill those people to destroy evil.

No one can question what God does. If man says, well God killed people, then so can i shows that man is being his own God,

 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

That is silly anecdotal bullshit.

All god would have to do to get everyone on board - and I mean everyone - is stop playing cryptic messages in tea leaves and just one time do something undeniable.  Some suggestions:

1.  Appear on everyones TV and just to make sure its not a trick, hand everyone watching an ice cream cone.

2.  Tell a prophet that he is to appear somewhere cool, like at the Staples Center at HT of the Lakers game - and then make a series of half court shots only using his mind.

After that, there isnt a soul on earth that wouldnt get in line.  Which is exactly the reason that I find it so funny that you and your colleagues pretend that the reason you are not christlke is because you can pray afterwards for forgiveness and you are not perfect.

Uhm, Jesus performed miracles in his time and people still didnt believe, hence they crucified for his claims.

 

 
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All rationalization.

Would jesus have a job?  Would jesus have a car?  Would jesus post on covers?

You could do more.  You justify your meager effort for jesus so that you can sleep better at night.  Have you been to Africa, or Haiti, or Kazhakstan?  You can pretend those places dont exist, but jesus wouldnt.  Jesus wouldnt find it amusing that you get mad when you dont have the money to buy a BMW and have to settle for a Ford, when there half the people in the world dont have food.  And I dont think he would say the best use of your time is doing what you are doing.

Now you are trying to compare a human being to Jesus? While we strive to be like Jesus, it is not possible.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

So if morals are subjective, then morals become the result of the socio and bioligical evolutionary process.

Therefore, you CANNOT look at tribes and say what they are doing is ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

If i came on here and said i raped a child, NO ONE HERE CAN SAY what you did was ABSOLUTELY WRONG. Absolute is the key word here.

Remember, you said morals are subjective, each man decides what is right or wrong.

With God, morals are not only absolute but are objective. It says thou shall not kill, therefore, if we look at the tribe, according to God, what they are doing is absolutely wrong,.

Now you sight violence in the bible, God is giving commands to kill. They are Gods commands, he gives life, he takes life. He saw it fit to kill those people to destroy evil.

No one can question what God does. If man says, well God killed people, then so can i shows that man is being his own God,


WOW! It just keeps getting better and better!!!! Then why do we have the ability to question and think!!!!
 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

All rationalization.

Would jesus have a job?  Would jesus have a car?  Would jesus post on covers?

You could do more.  You justify your meager effort for jesus so that you can sleep better at night.  Have you been to Africa, or Haiti, or Kazhakstan?  You can pretend those places dont exist, but jesus wouldnt.  Jesus wouldnt find it amusing that you get mad when you dont have the money to buy a BMW and have to settle for a Ford, when there half the people in the world dont have food.  And I dont think he would say the best use of your time is doing what you are doing.

Furthemore, did i say was perfect, did i say i was going 100% guarantee to heavan?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

So if morals are subjective, then morals become the result of the socio and bioligical evolutionary process.

Therefore, you CANNOT look at tribes and say what they are doing is ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

If i came on here and said i raped a child, NO ONE HERE CAN SAY what you did was ABSOLUTELY WRONG. Absolute is the key word here.

Remember, you said morals are subjective, each man decides what is right or wrong.

With God, morals are not only absolute but are objective. It says thou shall not kill, therefore, if we look at the tribe, according to God, what they are doing is absolutely wrong,.

Now you sight violence in the bible, God is giving commands to kill. They are Gods commands, he gives life, he takes life. He saw it fit to kill those people to destroy evil.

No one can question what God does. If man says, well God killed people, then so can i shows that man is being his own God,

Sir - please read what I wrote again.

I never said morals are subjective to the individual - in fact I said quite the opposite - I said that morals are subjective to the masses.

So if there were a tribe that practiced rape in todays society, that would be deemed as immoral by society.  Please stop repeating the mantra you have been brainwashed with and read what I am writing - I am doing that courtesy for you - please do it for me.

Now - you talk of absolute morals given by your god - what about thou shall honor your father and mother?  That is absolute right?  Well - what if your father is raping you, and your mother doesnt let you eat?  Then what?

How about thou shall not steal?  Are concentration camp person allowed to steal bread if they have a chance to survive?  How about thou shall not covet?  How does capitalism survive without coveting what the other guy has?

Your absolute morals are absurd, and unworkable.  Please address the above.

 

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Uhm, Jesus performed miracles in his time and people still didnt believe, hence they crucified for his claims.

 


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Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

Now you are trying to compare a human being to Jesus? While we strive to be like Jesus, it is not possible.

You, and others, keep using this excuse.

You say "I cant be like Jesus, that is impossible, so I wont even try".

There are degrees.  You dont have to be like jesus, but you can strive to be like jeses - you dont even try - you just ask forgiveness.

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WOW! It just keeps getting better and better!!!! Then why do we have the ability to question and think!!!!

Thats only what you can say, u never add anything, u never attempt to debunk anything, all what u do is come in and throw up emiticons and make some stupid remark which adds nothing. Go back to your hiding hole

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