If Christ died on the cross for all of humanity

Typical atheistic reponses, oh very typical atheists responses.

It all comes back down to the same message from atheists, they want to be there own God, even KK inadvertantly said it somewhere in his posts before.

It is very very clear from these answers that atheists WANT TO BE BEGGED BY GOD TO JOIN HIM IN HEAVAN.

Thats all what it comes down to...

Remember guys, you can blabber off whatever you want to, whatever you want, God knows the real reason why you reject him, aint it aint from a lack of proof, its the sole reason why he sent the angels to hell, because they wanted to be God...

It just fits so perfectly.........

You see, this is a very irrational statement.

This is a very very clear statement that deep down you know God exists, but it is your pride that is suppressing the truth...Otherwise, why would you say what you said...?

Its like me saying, "before i die, i am going to say a big fuck you to the pink elephants that fly over the moon"......

Completely irrational statement yet this irrationailty gives your game away........

It was a joke....

It's a joke Rostos. But no, I don't want to be god. But if he exists, I would love to see him beg me to join him in heaven, since he seems to care about people so much. It just makes no sense. Why create a universe? Why create people? Why deceive people? Why make it a game? I don't expect you to answer these questions, but the fact that they exist is enough to convince me not to believe (aside from all the other reasons). There are plenty more questions but we don't need to beat a dead horse. I have no regrets. No concerns. I know deep down that god does not exist. When I say things that require god to exist to be valid, I'm doing so in jest or to humor you in hypotheticals.

You see , there you go again.......It will always come down to that......

Prrof? You can say what you want you to me or anyone on this forum....But, let me give you some advice...

Romans 1:20

"For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."

Sorry Rostos but that justification doesn't fly with my rational brain.

We've been through this: Cant use the bible as evidence...

And things popping into existence from nothing does?

And here we will go around in circles, now you will say i dont believe that, then you will say you dont believ eGod exists, then you will somehow say things popping into existence from nothing is possible, then you will say that its not...

Just ducking and weaving.........

I am off now, i will leave you with this.......from what i can see with your posts on this topic, the statement "An atheist cannot find God for the same reason that a thief cannot find a policeman".is very true.

Merry xmas to you all.......

So it is either believe in god, or believe something came from nothing?  These are not our only 2 options for this present universe.

Is it so farfetched that we are the creation of another universe in which something can come from nothing, because it has different laws by which it abides?

We don't have all the answers and we may very well not get the answers we seek before our death, but that doesn't mean I'm just going to say that it's all because of god because I NEED an answer right now...

This is something for you atheist who insist on some sort of scientific evidence. This means nothing to me but I'm sure you guys will drool over it and dispute it's veracity which only leads others to believe that you really don't want TRUTH or real answers to your questions. I submit this for your inspection. https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/shroud-turin-t-a-fake-researchers-scientists-unable-replicate-cloth-christ-like-image-article-1.995661  Have fun!

Here's is another gem for you atheists. Have fun https://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Scientific-benefits-prayer-works/2011/12/20/id/421663

Of course you guys will find ways to get around these developments because like I have said you basically do what COWARDS do. You run and hide from the TRUTH to keep your own sordid world alive in your head. So let the debunking begin shall we!

Sinners can't enter heaven, get that through that thick skull of yours. The only way to enter is to ask for forgiveness, accept Jesus Christ, and do away with your sinful ways.

How many times do you want us to tell you the same thing over and over? Somehow that thick skull of yours is not getting the message.

Your theorectical person is committing a sin by not believing in God and so he will be sent to hell. The first commandment is: "I am the Lord your God, you shall have no other gods before Me"

and so with the person not believing in God, he is essentially saying to the Lord, no you are not my Lord God because I don't have one, and don't believe in one.

But perhaps if you had said your theorectical person has never committed any sins and believed in God then that person would not need to ask Jesus Christ for forgiveness since he is without sin.

This person would have no sin debt to pay and so when he died, God wouldn't need to judge him and he will automatically go to heaven.

Realistically speaking now, there will never ever be a person such as this. We all are born into sin, every single one of us from the time of Adam to the present are sinners but of course with the exception of Jesus Christ our Lord Savior.

I already answered your other question concerning people who never heard of God.

If you go to pg. 26 #638 and read my post you will see how just and fair God is concerning these people or if you have a bible available just go to the book of Romans and read chapter 2, verses 12 through 16 and you will have your answer.

Skeptics have already tried as a portion of what was tested showed that the material is about 800-900 years after Christ....

Once small problem, the part of the cloth which was tested was the part that was replaced, ie, not the original cloth. That testing that was done is now not accepted as valid.

The new developements start to point strongly that it was in fact the original wore by Christ......

Your god did, and you are perfectly happy with that. You only need a heavily subjective, and re-written book of fables to for your proof. Don't be upset with other who find your baseline of proof, a bible, laughable. If you were intelligent, which you are not, you would realize rational people have every right to be skeptical of your claims, and the basis in which they are made.

The problem I have with the religious right is not leaving these wish fantasy's to yourselves. There are real problems in the world which real solutions are needed. Which take action and sacrifice. Not prayer, and belief. Rostos, and his ilk, are a roadblock to progress. Period.

What's so beautiful about it? He had nothing to lose! A real sacrifice is doing something because it is right, not because you will be rewarded. Jesus is nothing but the spoiled single child who wants all the attention. The poor person in Syria fighting for justice in the teeth of brutality, and torture is much more "christian" than the super zombie incapable of being destroyed who quits this earth when the going got tough. Shit, my laborers on the job site have more pluck than that primadonna.

Begging the question (or petitio principii, "assuming the initial point") is a type of logical fallacy in which the proposition to be proven is assumed implicitly or explicitly in the premise.

The first known definition in the West is by the Greek philosopher Aristotle around 350 BC, in his book Prior Analytics, where he classified it as a material fallacy. Begging the question is related to the circular argument, circulus in probando (Latin, "circle in proving") or circular reasoning, though these are considered absolutely different by Aristotle.^[1]

Argument from ignorance, also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam or "appeal to ignorance" (where "ignorance" stands for: "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false, it is "generally accepted" (or vice versa).

I think it's great that my opponents are allowing me to quote almost every single logical fallacy I've ever heard of LOL... also, I STILL have some questions, and I STILL want some answers:

1) Ex4Life, Rostos, Smoothd have ALL admitted that the Bible has been edited, changed, rewritten, parts lost, etc. By comparison, if I showed you an old history book and said: "Out of 20 chapters, 8 of them are historically inaccurate because of rewrites or missing pieces," you wouldn't give the book a second look. In Ex4Life's masterpiece composition of idiocy (where he uses lines from the BIBLE to prove that the BIBLE is true, a method that would get him laughed out of even special education classes), even he admits that it's a book that's been written by 50+ authors over 1000+, not to mention we have NO IDEA what's supposed to be "metaphor" and what's "real." So:

a) How can you trust a single word in that book when you ACCEPT that parts of it are changed from its original state?

b) How can you use any shred of it as evidence for anything when you know parts of the book are incorrect as they were originally intended, AND that "supposively" (as SirJohnDrake might say) some of it is to be taken metaphorically?

2) How do you justify Christianity over any other religion? How is it any more valid than say Islam, Buddhism, Scientology, Magicology, Santaology, TheWorldSprangFromAdam'sErectPenisOlogy, etc...?

3) If you REALLY believe the world is 6,000 years old, how do you explain dinosaurs? Or ancient Egyptians? Or Mesopotamians?

4) Why, if Christianity such a peaceful religion (and if we are all "God's children," does the Bible condone killing (a) homosexuals, (b) non-virgins, (c) for hitting one's parents, among other things?

a) "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."  (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

b) But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house.  Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.  (Deuteronomy  22:20-21 NAB)

c) Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.  (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

5) Why do we have a "spiritual void" if we don't believe in Christianity? Since a huge majority of the world ISN'T Christian, are they spiritually blind as well? Are only Christians correct? This refers to question two as well.


AND IF ANYBODY TRIES TO REFERENCE THE BIBLE FOR ANY ANSWERS, YOU'RE A MORON. YOU CAN'T USE THE BIBLE AS EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS