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    spocsstocks
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2012 - 11:14 PM ET #76

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlWSv0NZBRw

    liar!!!!

     

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlWSv0NZBRw

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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2012 - 11:21 PM ET #77

    William Cooper was a former naval officer, decorated veteran, short wave radio broadcaster and world renowned lecturer and author, he was shot and killed November 5th 2001 under suspicious circumstances. This is his story.

    https://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781

    Oh yea, did I mention? He predicted 9/11 3 months before it happened, and was killed shortly after but police going undercover as "teenagers"

    He is the only conspiracy research that you cannot debunk. This man only told the FACTS. Documented Facts!

    Try to debunk him and you will soon see the whole picture unfold before your eyes. With your own research you will have no choice but to see the truth.

    The world is not what the television tells you.

    Wake up America.
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    William Cooper was a former naval officer, decorated veteran, short wave radio broadcaster and world renowned lecturer and author, he was shot and killed November 5th 2001 under suspicious circumstances. This is his story.

    https://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781

    Oh yea, did I mention? He predicted 9/11 3 months before it happened, and was killed shortly after but police going undercover as "teenagers"

    He is the only conspiracy research that you cannot debunk. This man only told the FACTS. Documented Facts!

    Try to debunk him and you will soon see the whole picture unfold before your eyes. With your own research you will have no choice but to see the truth.

    The world is not what the television tells you.

    Wake up America.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2012 - 11:26 PM ET #78

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenleafSports:

    2 quick questions .  how did the buildings fall at free fall rate wouldnt they slow down floor by floor ? and with the pentagon being one of the most secure buildings in the world how is there no real fotage of a plane hitting it ? no surrounding gas stations or any other camera caught a clear look of the plane


    Where did the plane land? The plane did "take off". If it didn't crash where are the living?
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    2 quick questions .  how did the buildings fall at free fall rate wouldnt they slow down floor by floor ? and with the pentagon being one of the most secure buildings in the world how is there no real fotage of a plane hitting it ? no surrounding gas stations or any other camera caught a clear look of the plane


    Where did the plane land? The plane did "take off". If it didn't crash where are the living?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2012 - 11:30 PM ET #79

    Logic.

    What dictates the direction of matter when falling?

    The path of Least resistance.

    Well then surely they would not fall into their own footprint at free fall speeds.
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    Logic.

    What dictates the direction of matter when falling?

    The path of Least resistance.

    Well then surely they would not fall into their own footprint at free fall speeds.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2012 - 11:31 PM ET #80

    William Cooper was a former naval officer, decorated veteran, short wave radio broadcaster and world renowned lecturer and author, he was shot and killed November 5th 2001 under suspicious circumstances. This is his story.

    https://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781

    Oh yea, did I mention? He predicted 9/11 3 months before it happened, and was killed shortly after but police going undercover as "teenagers"

    He is the only conspiracy research that you cannot debunk. This man only told the FACTS. Documented Facts!

    Try to debunk him and you will soon see the whole picture unfold before your eyes. With your own research you will have no choice but to see the truth.

    The world is not what the television tells you.

    Wake up America.


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    William Cooper was a former naval officer, decorated veteran, short wave radio broadcaster and world renowned lecturer and author, he was shot and killed November 5th 2001 under suspicious circumstances. This is his story.

    https://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781

    Oh yea, did I mention? He predicted 9/11 3 months before it happened, and was killed shortly after but police going undercover as "teenagers"

    He is the only conspiracy research that you cannot debunk. This man only told the FACTS. Documented Facts!

    Try to debunk him and you will soon see the whole picture unfold before your eyes. With your own research you will have no choice but to see the truth.

    The world is not what the television tells you.

    Wake up America.


     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2012 - 2:06 AM ET #81

    https://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2012 - 2:09 AM ET #82

    The bottom line is if you believe the Governments story of what happened, you are an absolute fucking monkey.

    The story is so full of holes one wonders how anyone believes it at all. People are such donkeys it is beyond belief.
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    The bottom line is if you believe the Governments story of what happened, you are an absolute fucking monkey.

    The story is so full of holes one wonders how anyone believes it at all. People are such donkeys it is beyond belief.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2012 - 2:23 AM ET #83

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman_130:

    William Cooper was a former naval officer, decorated veteran, short wave radio broadcaster and world renowned lecturer and author, he was shot and killed November 5th 2001 under suspicious circumstances. This is his story.

    https://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781

    Oh yea, did I mention? He predicted 9/11 3 months before it happened, and was killed shortly after but police going undercover as "teenagers"

    He is the only conspiracy research that you cannot debunk. This man only told the FACTS. Documented Facts!

    Try to debunk him and you will soon see the whole picture unfold before your eyes. With your own research you will have no choice but to see the truth.

    The world is not what the television tells you.

    Wake up America.






    He claimed that JFK was assassinated by his driver, citing a special 'washed' version of the Zapruder film that seemed to show Kennedy’s driver, William Greer, turning to shoot the President—an allegation since disproven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman_130:

    William Cooper was a former naval officer, decorated veteran, short wave radio broadcaster and world renowned lecturer and author, he was shot and killed November 5th 2001 under suspicious circumstances. This is his story.

    https://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781

    Oh yea, did I mention? He predicted 9/11 3 months before it happened, and was killed shortly after but police going undercover as "teenagers"

    He is the only conspiracy research that you cannot debunk. This man only told the FACTS. Documented Facts!

    Try to debunk him and you will soon see the whole picture unfold before your eyes. With your own research you will have no choice but to see the truth.

    The world is not what the television tells you.

    Wake up America.






    He claimed that JFK was assassinated by his driver, citing a special 'washed' version of the Zapruder film that seemed to show Kennedy’s driver, William Greer, turning to shoot the President—an allegation since disproven.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2012 - 2:23 AM ET #84

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman_130:

    William Cooper was a former naval officer, decorated veteran, short wave radio broadcaster and world renowned lecturer and author, he was shot and killed November 5th 2001 under suspicious circumstances. This is his story.

    https://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781

    Oh yea, did I mention? He predicted 9/11 3 months before it happened, and was killed shortly after but police going undercover as "teenagers"

    He is the only conspiracy research that you cannot debunk. This man only told the FACTS. Documented Facts!

    Try to debunk him and you will soon see the whole picture unfold before your eyes. With your own research you will have no choice but to see the truth.

    The world is not what the television tells you.

    Wake up America.



    He  claimed that the aliens in an American television series, "Alien Nation", were real aliens.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman_130:

    William Cooper was a former naval officer, decorated veteran, short wave radio broadcaster and world renowned lecturer and author, he was shot and killed November 5th 2001 under suspicious circumstances. This is his story.

    https://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781

    Oh yea, did I mention? He predicted 9/11 3 months before it happened, and was killed shortly after but police going undercover as "teenagers"

    He is the only conspiracy research that you cannot debunk. This man only told the FACTS. Documented Facts!

    Try to debunk him and you will soon see the whole picture unfold before your eyes. With your own research you will have no choice but to see the truth.

    The world is not what the television tells you.

    Wake up America.



    He  claimed that the aliens in an American television series, "Alien Nation", were real aliens.


     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2012 - 2:25 AM ET #85

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman_130:

    William Cooper was a former naval officer, decorated veteran, short wave radio broadcaster and world renowned lecturer and author, he was shot and killed November 5th 2001 under suspicious circumstances. This is his story.

    https://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781

    Oh yea, did I mention? He predicted 9/11 3 months before it happened, and was killed shortly after but police going undercover as "teenagers"

    He is the only conspiracy research that you cannot debunk. This man only told the FACTS. Documented Facts!

    Try to debunk him and you will soon see the whole picture unfold before your eyes. With your own research you will have no choice but to see the truth.

    The world is not what the television tells you.

    Wake up America.




    Best known as the author of Behold a Pale Horse (1991), this book detailed his claims of an extraterrestrial invasion and government cover-up, as well as the complete text of the notorious antisemitic hoax, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, with Cooper claiming that "any reference to 'person' should be replaced with the word 'Illuminati."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman_130:

    William Cooper was a former naval officer, decorated veteran, short wave radio broadcaster and world renowned lecturer and author, he was shot and killed November 5th 2001 under suspicious circumstances. This is his story.

    https://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781

    Oh yea, did I mention? He predicted 9/11 3 months before it happened, and was killed shortly after but police going undercover as "teenagers"

    He is the only conspiracy research that you cannot debunk. This man only told the FACTS. Documented Facts!

    Try to debunk him and you will soon see the whole picture unfold before your eyes. With your own research you will have no choice but to see the truth.

    The world is not what the television tells you.

    Wake up America.




    Best known as the author of Behold a Pale Horse (1991), this book detailed his claims of an extraterrestrial invasion and government cover-up, as well as the complete text of the notorious antisemitic hoax, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, with Cooper claiming that "any reference to 'person' should be replaced with the word 'Illuminati."
     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2012 - 2:26 AM ET #86

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman_130:

    William Cooper was a former naval officer, decorated veteran, short wave radio broadcaster and world renowned lecturer and author, he was shot and killed November 5th 2001 under suspicious circumstances. This is his story.

    https://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781

    Oh yea, did I mention? He predicted 9/11 3 months before it happened, and was killed shortly after but police going undercover as "teenagers"

    He is the only conspiracy research that you cannot debunk. This man only told the FACTS. Documented Facts!

    Try to debunk him and you will soon see the whole picture unfold before your eyes. With your own research you will have no choice but to see the truth.

    The world is not what the television tells you.

    Wake up America.




    Cooper made many claims about his life. He claimed to have been a member of the Order of DeMolay, an appendant body of Freemasonry, claiming this gave him insight into the hidden clues of masonic control
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman_130:

    William Cooper was a former naval officer, decorated veteran, short wave radio broadcaster and world renowned lecturer and author, he was shot and killed November 5th 2001 under suspicious circumstances. This is his story.

    https://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781

    Oh yea, did I mention? He predicted 9/11 3 months before it happened, and was killed shortly after but police going undercover as "teenagers"

    He is the only conspiracy research that you cannot debunk. This man only told the FACTS. Documented Facts!

    Try to debunk him and you will soon see the whole picture unfold before your eyes. With your own research you will have no choice but to see the truth.

    The world is not what the television tells you.

    Wake up America.




    Cooper made many claims about his life. He claimed to have been a member of the Order of DeMolay, an appendant body of Freemasonry, claiming this gave him insight into the hidden clues of masonic control
     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2012 - 2:28 AM ET #87

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman_130:

    William Cooper was a former naval officer, decorated veteran, short wave radio broadcaster and world renowned lecturer and author, he was shot and killed November 5th 2001 under suspicious circumstances. This is his story.

    https://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781

    Oh yea, did I mention? He predicted 9/11 3 months before it happened, and was killed shortly after but police going undercover as "teenagers"

    He is the only conspiracy research that you cannot debunk. This man only told the FACTS. Documented Facts!

    Try to debunk him and you will soon see the whole picture unfold before your eyes. With your own research you will have no choice but to see the truth.

    The world is not what the television tells you.

    Wake up America.


    William Cooper


     "The Knights Templar exist today as a higher degree of Freemasonry within the Templar Order. In fact, the Knights Templar is a branch of the Order of the Quest. The DeMolay Society is a branch of the Freemasons that consecrates the memory of the persecution of the Knights Templar and in particular, their leader Jacques deMolay. I know, because I was a member of the DeMolay Society as a young adult. I loved the mystery and ritual. I became separated from the Society when my family moved to a location out of reach of any lodge. I believe to this day that my association with the DeMolay Society may have been the reason for my selection for Naval Security and Intelligence."  -

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    William Cooper was a former naval officer, decorated veteran, short wave radio broadcaster and world renowned lecturer and author, he was shot and killed November 5th 2001 under suspicious circumstances. This is his story.

    https://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781

    Oh yea, did I mention? He predicted 9/11 3 months before it happened, and was killed shortly after but police going undercover as "teenagers"

    He is the only conspiracy research that you cannot debunk. This man only told the FACTS. Documented Facts!

    Try to debunk him and you will soon see the whole picture unfold before your eyes. With your own research you will have no choice but to see the truth.

    The world is not what the television tells you.

    Wake up America.


    William Cooper


     "The Knights Templar exist today as a higher degree of Freemasonry within the Templar Order. In fact, the Knights Templar is a branch of the Order of the Quest. The DeMolay Society is a branch of the Freemasons that consecrates the memory of the persecution of the Knights Templar and in particular, their leader Jacques deMolay. I know, because I was a member of the DeMolay Society as a young adult. I loved the mystery and ritual. I became separated from the Society when my family moved to a location out of reach of any lodge. I believe to this day that my association with the DeMolay Society may have been the reason for my selection for Naval Security and Intelligence."  -

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman_130:

    William Cooper was a former naval officer, decorated veteran, short wave radio broadcaster and world renowned lecturer and author, he was shot and killed November 5th 2001 under suspicious circumstances. This is his story.

    https://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781

    Oh yea, did I mention? He predicted 9/11 3 months before it happened, and was killed shortly after but police going undercover as "teenagers"

    He is the only conspiracy research that you cannot debunk. This man only told the FACTS. Documented Facts!

    Try to debunk him and you will soon see the whole picture unfold before your eyes. With your own research you will have no choice but to see the truth.

    The world is not what the television tells you.

    Wake up America.




     In Behold a Pale Horse, William Cooper claimed that he actually knew the location in France of the Holy Grail, which he strongly implied includes the bones of Jesus!

     

    "The Prieure de Sion was a religious order founded upon Mount Sion in Jerusalem. The Order set for itself the goal of preserving and recording the bloodline of Jesus and the House of David. Through every means available to them, the Prieure de Sion had found and retrieved the remaining relics... The treasure hidden in France is not the treasure of the Temple of Jerusalem. It is the Holy Grail itself, the robe of Jesus, the last remaining pieces of the Cross of Crucifixion, and, according to my sources, someone's bones. I can tell you that the reality of the bones will shake the world to its very foundations if I have been told the truth. The relics are hidden in France. I know the location..." (51:76)
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    William Cooper was a former naval officer, decorated veteran, short wave radio broadcaster and world renowned lecturer and author, he was shot and killed November 5th 2001 under suspicious circumstances. This is his story.

    https://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781

    Oh yea, did I mention? He predicted 9/11 3 months before it happened, and was killed shortly after but police going undercover as "teenagers"

    He is the only conspiracy research that you cannot debunk. This man only told the FACTS. Documented Facts!

    Try to debunk him and you will soon see the whole picture unfold before your eyes. With your own research you will have no choice but to see the truth.

    The world is not what the television tells you.

    Wake up America.




     In Behold a Pale Horse, William Cooper claimed that he actually knew the location in France of the Holy Grail, which he strongly implied includes the bones of Jesus!

     

    "The Prieure de Sion was a religious order founded upon Mount Sion in Jerusalem. The Order set for itself the goal of preserving and recording the bloodline of Jesus and the House of David. Through every means available to them, the Prieure de Sion had found and retrieved the remaining relics... The treasure hidden in France is not the treasure of the Temple of Jerusalem. It is the Holy Grail itself, the robe of Jesus, the last remaining pieces of the Cross of Crucifixion, and, according to my sources, someone's bones. I can tell you that the reality of the bones will shake the world to its very foundations if I have been told the truth. The relics are hidden in France. I know the location..." (51:76)
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogunder:

    https://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html
    I had not read that before.

    When you spend more money than you make you gotta make money somehow.

    Nothing like a good ole war to make money, stimulate the pockets of corporations and spread democracy *cough* *cough* colonialism.

    I think the war on drugs exists because the government can't make a big enough profit if it legalized. Legal CIA heroin is not as expensive as illegal CIA heroin.

    I can't imagine being a US soldier and being told to guard poppy fields like they are being told right now. Right now I want you to guard this poppy field with your life for your country soldier. 
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    https://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html
    I had not read that before.

    When you spend more money than you make you gotta make money somehow.

    Nothing like a good ole war to make money, stimulate the pockets of corporations and spread democracy *cough* *cough* colonialism.

    I think the war on drugs exists because the government can't make a big enough profit if it legalized. Legal CIA heroin is not as expensive as illegal CIA heroin.

    I can't imagine being a US soldier and being told to guard poppy fields like they are being told right now. Right now I want you to guard this poppy field with your life for your country soldier. 
     
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    Wow, a 9/11 post.  I didn't read anything in this thread, but I'm sure it's filled with new and fresh material.

    Oh, it's not?

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    Wow, a 9/11 post.  I didn't read anything in this thread, but I'm sure it's filled with new and fresh material.

    Oh, it's not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman_130:

    William Cooper was a former naval officer, decorated veteran, short wave radio broadcaster and world renowned lecturer and author, he was shot and killed November 5th 2001 under suspicious circumstances. This is his story.

    https://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781

    Oh yea, did I mention? He predicted 9/11 3 months before it happened, and was killed shortly after but police going undercover as "teenagers"

    He is the only conspiracy research that you cannot debunk. This man only told the FACTS. Documented Facts!

    Try to debunk him and you will soon see the whole picture unfold before your eyes. With your own research you will have no choice but to see the truth.

    The world is not what the television tells you.

    Wake up America.





    Milton William Cooper is a total nutcase
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    William Cooper was a former naval officer, decorated veteran, short wave radio broadcaster and world renowned lecturer and author, he was shot and killed November 5th 2001 under suspicious circumstances. This is his story.

    https://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781

    Oh yea, did I mention? He predicted 9/11 3 months before it happened, and was killed shortly after but police going undercover as "teenagers"

    He is the only conspiracy research that you cannot debunk. This man only told the FACTS. Documented Facts!

    Try to debunk him and you will soon see the whole picture unfold before your eyes. With your own research you will have no choice but to see the truth.

    The world is not what the television tells you.

    Wake up America.





    Milton William Cooper is a total nutcase
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman_130:

    William Cooper was a former naval officer, decorated veteran, short wave radio broadcaster and world renowned lecturer and author, he was shot and killed November 5th 2001 under suspicious circumstances. This is his story.

    https://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781

    Oh yea, did I mention? He predicted 9/11 3 months before it happened, and was killed shortly after but police going undercover as "teenagers"

    He is the only conspiracy research that you cannot debunk. This man only told the FACTS. Documented Facts!

    Try to debunk him and you will soon see the whole picture unfold before your eyes. With your own research you will have no choice but to see the truth.

    The world is not what the television tells you.

    Wake up America.



    He divided Space Aliens into various races,

    one of these is dwarfish, grey with large noses

    another is the Nordic types, tall blond Aryans.

    He said in the 1800's conspirators were Masons, in the 1900's they were person, in the 2000's they were Aliens,or Alien person





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    William Cooper was a former naval officer, decorated veteran, short wave radio broadcaster and world renowned lecturer and author, he was shot and killed November 5th 2001 under suspicious circumstances. This is his story.

    https://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781

    Oh yea, did I mention? He predicted 9/11 3 months before it happened, and was killed shortly after but police going undercover as "teenagers"

    He is the only conspiracy research that you cannot debunk. This man only told the FACTS. Documented Facts!

    Try to debunk him and you will soon see the whole picture unfold before your eyes. With your own research you will have no choice but to see the truth.

    The world is not what the television tells you.

    Wake up America.



    He divided Space Aliens into various races,

    one of these is dwarfish, grey with large noses

    another is the Nordic types, tall blond Aryans.

    He said in the 1800's conspirators were Masons, in the 1900's they were person, in the 2000's they were Aliens,or Alien person





     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman_130:

    William Cooper was a former naval officer, decorated veteran, short wave radio broadcaster and world renowned lecturer and author, he was shot and killed November 5th 2001 under suspicious circumstances. This is his story.

    https://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781

    Oh yea, did I mention? He predicted 9/11 3 months before it happened, and was killed shortly after but police going undercover as "teenagers"

    He is the only conspiracy research that you cannot debunk. This man only told the FACTS. Documented Facts!

    Try to debunk him and you will soon see the whole picture unfold before your eyes. With your own research you will have no choice but to see the truth.

    The world is not what the television tells you.

    Wake up America.




    Early on in his book, Behold a Pale Horse, Cooper writes:

    "On the day that I learned that the Office of Naval Intelligence had participated in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy and that it was the Secret Service agent driving the limo that had shot Kennedy in the head, I went AWOL with no intention of ever returning."

    Kennedy's driver, secret service agent William Greer, who fired the fatal head shot that killed Kennedy.




    Milton William Cooper is a total nutcase







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    William Cooper was a former naval officer, decorated veteran, short wave radio broadcaster and world renowned lecturer and author, he was shot and killed November 5th 2001 under suspicious circumstances. This is his story.

    https://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2829245257205113781

    Oh yea, did I mention? He predicted 9/11 3 months before it happened, and was killed shortly after but police going undercover as "teenagers"

    He is the only conspiracy research that you cannot debunk. This man only told the FACTS. Documented Facts!

    Try to debunk him and you will soon see the whole picture unfold before your eyes. With your own research you will have no choice but to see the truth.

    The world is not what the television tells you.

    Wake up America.




    Early on in his book, Behold a Pale Horse, Cooper writes:

    "On the day that I learned that the Office of Naval Intelligence had participated in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy and that it was the Secret Service agent driving the limo that had shot Kennedy in the head, I went AWOL with no intention of ever returning."

    Kennedy's driver, secret service agent William Greer, who fired the fatal head shot that killed Kennedy.




    Milton William Cooper is a total nutcase







     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2012 - 2:56 AM ET #94

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman_130:

    Logic.

    What dictates the direction of matter when falling?

    The path of Least resistance.

    Well then surely they would not fall into their own footprint at free fall speeds.



    you know so much more than the experts


    What caused the fires in WTC 7?

    Debris from the collapse of WTC 1, which was 370 feet to the south, ignited fires on at least 10 floors in the building at its south and west faces. However, only the fires on some of the lower floors—7 through 9 and 11 through 13—burned out of control. These lower-floor fires—which spread and grew because the water supply to the automatic sprinkler system for these floors had failed—were similar to building fires experienced in other tall buildings. The primary and backup water supply to the sprinkler systems for the lower floors relied on the city's water supply, whose lines were damaged by the collapse of WTC 1 and WTC 2. These uncontrolled lower-floor fires eventually spread to the northeast part of WTC 7, where the building's collapse began.


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    Logic.

    What dictates the direction of matter when falling?

    The path of Least resistance.

    Well then surely they would not fall into their own footprint at free fall speeds.



    you know so much more than the experts


    What caused the fires in WTC 7?

    Debris from the collapse of WTC 1, which was 370 feet to the south, ignited fires on at least 10 floors in the building at its south and west faces. However, only the fires on some of the lower floors—7 through 9 and 11 through 13—burned out of control. These lower-floor fires—which spread and grew because the water supply to the automatic sprinkler system for these floors had failed—were similar to building fires experienced in other tall buildings. The primary and backup water supply to the sprinkler systems for the lower floors relied on the city's water supply, whose lines were damaged by the collapse of WTC 1 and WTC 2. These uncontrolled lower-floor fires eventually spread to the northeast part of WTC 7, where the building's collapse began.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman_130:

    Logic.

    What dictates the direction of matter when falling?

    The path of Least resistance.

    Well then surely they would not fall into their own footprint at free fall speeds.



    How did the fires cause WTC 7 to collapse?

    The heat from the uncontrolled fires caused steel floor beams and girders to thermally expand, leading to a chain of events that caused a key structural column to fail. The failure of this structural column then initiated a fire-induced progressive collapse of the entire building.

    According to the report's probable collapse sequence, heat from the uncontrolled fires caused thermal expansion of the steel beams on the lower floors of the east side of WTC 7, damaging the floor framing on multiple floors.

    Eventually, a girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to a critical column, Column 79, that provided support for the long floor spans on the east side of the building (see Diagram 1). The displaced girder and other local fire-induced damage caused Floor 13 to collapse, beginning a cascade of floor failures down to the 5th floor. Many of these floors had already been at least partially weakened by the fires in the vicinity of Column 79. This collapse of floors left Column 79 insufficiently supported in the east-west direction over nine stories.


    The unsupported Column 79 then buckled and triggered an upward progression of floor system failures that reached the building's east penthouse. What followed in rapid succession was a series of structural failures. Failure first occurred all the way to the roof line—involving all three interior columns on the easternmost side of the building (79, 80, and 81). Then, progressing from east to west across WTC 7, all of the columns failed in the core of the building (58 through 78). Finally, the entire façade collapsed.




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    Logic.

    What dictates the direction of matter when falling?

    The path of Least resistance.

    Well then surely they would not fall into their own footprint at free fall speeds.



    How did the fires cause WTC 7 to collapse?

    The heat from the uncontrolled fires caused steel floor beams and girders to thermally expand, leading to a chain of events that caused a key structural column to fail. The failure of this structural column then initiated a fire-induced progressive collapse of the entire building.

    According to the report's probable collapse sequence, heat from the uncontrolled fires caused thermal expansion of the steel beams on the lower floors of the east side of WTC 7, damaging the floor framing on multiple floors.

    Eventually, a girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to a critical column, Column 79, that provided support for the long floor spans on the east side of the building (see Diagram 1). The displaced girder and other local fire-induced damage caused Floor 13 to collapse, beginning a cascade of floor failures down to the 5th floor. Many of these floors had already been at least partially weakened by the fires in the vicinity of Column 79. This collapse of floors left Column 79 insufficiently supported in the east-west direction over nine stories.


    The unsupported Column 79 then buckled and triggered an upward progression of floor system failures that reached the building's east penthouse. What followed in rapid succession was a series of structural failures. Failure first occurred all the way to the roof line—involving all three interior columns on the easternmost side of the building (79, 80, and 81). Then, progressing from east to west across WTC 7, all of the columns failed in the core of the building (58 through 78). Finally, the entire façade collapsed.




     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman_130:

    Logic.

    What dictates the direction of matter when falling?

    The path of Least resistance.

    Well then surely they would not fall into their own footprint at free fall speeds.


    What is progressive collapse?

    Progressive collapse is defined as the spread of local damage from a single initiating event, from structural element to element, eventually resulting in the collapse of an entire structure or a disproportionately large part of it. The failure of WTC 7 was an example of a fire-induced progressive collapse.

    Progressive collapse did NOT occur in the WTC towers, for two reasons. First, the collapse of each tower was not triggered by local damage or a single initiating event. Second, the structures were able to redistribute loads from the impact and fire-damaged structural components and subsystems to undamaged components and to keep the building standing until a sudden, global collapse occurred. Had a hat truss that connected the core columns to the exterior frame not been installed to support a TV antenna atop each WTC tower after the structure had been fully designed, it is likely that the core of the WTC towers would have collapsed sooner, triggering a global collapse. Such a collapse would have some features similar to that of a progressive collapse.



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    Logic.

    What dictates the direction of matter when falling?

    The path of Least resistance.

    Well then surely they would not fall into their own footprint at free fall speeds.


    What is progressive collapse?

    Progressive collapse is defined as the spread of local damage from a single initiating event, from structural element to element, eventually resulting in the collapse of an entire structure or a disproportionately large part of it. The failure of WTC 7 was an example of a fire-induced progressive collapse.

    Progressive collapse did NOT occur in the WTC towers, for two reasons. First, the collapse of each tower was not triggered by local damage or a single initiating event. Second, the structures were able to redistribute loads from the impact and fire-damaged structural components and subsystems to undamaged components and to keep the building standing until a sudden, global collapse occurred. Had a hat truss that connected the core columns to the exterior frame not been installed to support a TV antenna atop each WTC tower after the structure had been fully designed, it is likely that the core of the WTC towers would have collapsed sooner, triggering a global collapse. Such a collapse would have some features similar to that of a progressive collapse.



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman_130:

    Logic.

    What dictates the direction of matter when falling?

    The path of Least resistance.

    Well then surely they would not fall into their own footprint at free fall speeds.



    How did the collapse of WTC 7 differ from the collapses of WTC 1 and WTC 2?

    WTC 7 was unlike the WTC towers in many respects. WTC 7 was a more typical tall building in the design of its structural system. It was not struck by an aircraft. The collapse of WTC 7 was caused by a single initiating event—the failure of a northeast building column brought on by fire-induced damage to the adjacent flooring system and connections—which stands in contrast to the WTC 1 and WTC 2 failures, which were brought on by multiple factors, including structural damage caused by the aircraft impact, extensive dislodgement of the sprayed fire-resistive materials or fireproofing in the impacted region, and a weakening of the steel structures created by the fires.

    The fires in WTC 7 were quite different from the fires in the WTC towers. Since WTC 7 was not doused with thousands of gallons of jet fuel, large areas of any floor were not ignited simultaneously as they were in the WTC towers. Instead, separate fires in WTC 7 broke out on different floors, most notably on Floors 7 to 9 and 11 to 13. The WTC 7 fires were similar to building contents fires that have occurred in several tall buildings where the automatic sprinklers did not function or were not present.


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    Logic.

    What dictates the direction of matter when falling?

    The path of Least resistance.

    Well then surely they would not fall into their own footprint at free fall speeds.



    How did the collapse of WTC 7 differ from the collapses of WTC 1 and WTC 2?

    WTC 7 was unlike the WTC towers in many respects. WTC 7 was a more typical tall building in the design of its structural system. It was not struck by an aircraft. The collapse of WTC 7 was caused by a single initiating event—the failure of a northeast building column brought on by fire-induced damage to the adjacent flooring system and connections—which stands in contrast to the WTC 1 and WTC 2 failures, which were brought on by multiple factors, including structural damage caused by the aircraft impact, extensive dislodgement of the sprayed fire-resistive materials or fireproofing in the impacted region, and a weakening of the steel structures created by the fires.

    The fires in WTC 7 were quite different from the fires in the WTC towers. Since WTC 7 was not doused with thousands of gallons of jet fuel, large areas of any floor were not ignited simultaneously as they were in the WTC towers. Instead, separate fires in WTC 7 broke out on different floors, most notably on Floors 7 to 9 and 11 to 13. The WTC 7 fires were similar to building contents fires that have occurred in several tall buildings where the automatic sprinklers did not function or were not present.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman_130:

    Logic.

    What dictates the direction of matter when falling?

    The path of Least resistance.

    Well then surely they would not fall into their own footprint at free fall speeds.



     Why did WTC 7 collapse, while no other known building in history has collapsed due to fires alone?

    The collapse of WTC 7 is the first known instance of a tall building brought down primarily by uncontrolled fires. The fires in WTC 7 were similar to those that have occurred in several tall buildings where the automatic sprinklers did not function or were not present. These other buildings, including Philadelphia's One Meridian Plaza, a 38-story skyscraper that burned for 18 hours in 1991, did not collapse due to differences in the design of the structural system (see the answer to Question 9).

    Factors contributing to WTC 7's collapse included: the thermal expansion of building elements such as floor beams and girders, which occurred at temperatures hundreds of degrees below those typically considered in current practice for fire-resistance ratings; significant magnification of thermal expansion effects due to the long-span floors in the building; connections between structural elements that were designed to resist the vertical forces of gravity, not the thermally induced horizontal or lateral loads; and an overall structural system not designed to prevent fire-induced progressive collapse.



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    Logic.

    What dictates the direction of matter when falling?

    The path of Least resistance.

    Well then surely they would not fall into their own footprint at free fall speeds.



     Why did WTC 7 collapse, while no other known building in history has collapsed due to fires alone?

    The collapse of WTC 7 is the first known instance of a tall building brought down primarily by uncontrolled fires. The fires in WTC 7 were similar to those that have occurred in several tall buildings where the automatic sprinklers did not function or were not present. These other buildings, including Philadelphia's One Meridian Plaza, a 38-story skyscraper that burned for 18 hours in 1991, did not collapse due to differences in the design of the structural system (see the answer to Question 9).

    Factors contributing to WTC 7's collapse included: the thermal expansion of building elements such as floor beams and girders, which occurred at temperatures hundreds of degrees below those typically considered in current practice for fire-resistance ratings; significant magnification of thermal expansion effects due to the long-span floors in the building; connections between structural elements that were designed to resist the vertical forces of gravity, not the thermally induced horizontal or lateral loads; and an overall structural system not designed to prevent fire-induced progressive collapse.



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman_130:

    Logic.

    What dictates the direction of matter when falling?

    The path of Least resistance.

    Well then surely they would not fall into their own footprint at free fall speeds.




     What are the major differences between "typical" major high-rise building fires that have occurred in the United States and the fire in the WTC 7 building on Sept. 11, 2001?

    There are more similarities than differences between the uncontrolled fires that burned in WTC 7 and those that occurred in the following buildings: First Interstate Bank Building (1988), One Meridian Plaza Building (1991), One New York Plaza (1970), and WTC 51 (2001).

    NIST NCSTAR Report 1-9, Section 8.5, provides details about these building fires.

    The following factors describe the fire events that occurred in both WTC 7 and the referenced buildings:

    • The fuel for the fires was ordinary office combustibles at ordinary combustible load levels.
    • There was no use of accelerants.
    • The spread of fire from combustible to combustible was governed by ordinary fire physics.
    • Fire-induced window breakage provided ventilation for continued fire spread and growth.
    • There were simultaneous fires on multiple floors.
    • The fires on each floor occupied a substantial portion of the floor.
    • The fires on each floor had passed the point of flashover and the structure was subjected to typical post-flashover temperatures.
    • The sprinklers were inoperative or ineffective; and 9) the fires burned for sufficient time to cause significant distortion and/or failure to the building structure.

    There were some differences between the fires in WTC 7 and those in the referenced buildings, but these differences were secondary to the fire factors that led to the collapse of WTC 7:

    • Fires in high-rise buildings typically have a single point of origin on a single floor, whereas the fires in WTC 7 likely had a single point of origin on multiple (10) floors.
    • Fires in other high-rise buildings were due to isolated events, whereas the fires in WTC 7 followed the collapse of WTC 1.
    • Water was available to fight fires in the other high rise buildings, but the water supply to fight fires in WTC 7 was impaired.
    • While the fires in the other buildings were actively fought by firefighters to the extent possible, in WTC 7, no efforts were made to fight the fires because of the lack of a water supply.

    The differences in the fires were not meaningful for the following reasons. By the time WTC 7 collapsed, the fires in WTC 7 had advanced well beyond the likely points of origin on multiple floors (i.e., south and west faces), and points of fire origin had no bearing on the fire conditions when the building collapsed (i.e., in the northeast quadrant). Additionally, in each of the other referenced buildings, the fires burned out several floors, even with available water and firefighting activities (except for WTC 5). Thus, whether the fire fighters fought the WTC 7 fires or not is not a meaningful point of dissimilarity from the other cited fires.


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    Logic.

    What dictates the direction of matter when falling?

    The path of Least resistance.

    Well then surely they would not fall into their own footprint at free fall speeds.




     What are the major differences between "typical" major high-rise building fires that have occurred in the United States and the fire in the WTC 7 building on Sept. 11, 2001?

    There are more similarities than differences between the uncontrolled fires that burned in WTC 7 and those that occurred in the following buildings: First Interstate Bank Building (1988), One Meridian Plaza Building (1991), One New York Plaza (1970), and WTC 51 (2001).

    NIST NCSTAR Report 1-9, Section 8.5, provides details about these building fires.

    The following factors describe the fire events that occurred in both WTC 7 and the referenced buildings:

    • The fuel for the fires was ordinary office combustibles at ordinary combustible load levels.
    • There was no use of accelerants.
    • The spread of fire from combustible to combustible was governed by ordinary fire physics.
    • Fire-induced window breakage provided ventilation for continued fire spread and growth.
    • There were simultaneous fires on multiple floors.
    • The fires on each floor occupied a substantial portion of the floor.
    • The fires on each floor had passed the point of flashover and the structure was subjected to typical post-flashover temperatures.
    • The sprinklers were inoperative or ineffective; and 9) the fires burned for sufficient time to cause significant distortion and/or failure to the building structure.

    There were some differences between the fires in WTC 7 and those in the referenced buildings, but these differences were secondary to the fire factors that led to the collapse of WTC 7:

    • Fires in high-rise buildings typically have a single point of origin on a single floor, whereas the fires in WTC 7 likely had a single point of origin on multiple (10) floors.
    • Fires in other high-rise buildings were due to isolated events, whereas the fires in WTC 7 followed the collapse of WTC 1.
    • Water was available to fight fires in the other high rise buildings, but the water supply to fight fires in WTC 7 was impaired.
    • While the fires in the other buildings were actively fought by firefighters to the extent possible, in WTC 7, no efforts were made to fight the fires because of the lack of a water supply.

    The differences in the fires were not meaningful for the following reasons. By the time WTC 7 collapsed, the fires in WTC 7 had advanced well beyond the likely points of origin on multiple floors (i.e., south and west faces), and points of fire origin had no bearing on the fire conditions when the building collapsed (i.e., in the northeast quadrant). Additionally, in each of the other referenced buildings, the fires burned out several floors, even with available water and firefighting activities (except for WTC 5). Thus, whether the fire fighters fought the WTC 7 fires or not is not a meaningful point of dissimilarity from the other cited fires.


     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman_130:

    Logic.

    What dictates the direction of matter when falling?

    The path of Least resistance.

    Well then surely they would not fall into their own footprint at free fall speeds.




    Some people have said that a failure at one column should not have produced a symmetrical fall like this one. What is NIST’s answer to those assertions?

    WTC 7's collapse, viewed from the exterior (most videos were taken from the north), did appear to fall almost uniformly as a single unit. This occurred because the interior failures that took place did not cause the exterior framing to fail until the final stages of the building collapse. The interior floor framing and columns collapsed downward and pulled away from the exterior frame. There were clues that internal damage was taking place prior to the downward movement of the exterior frame, such as when the east penthouse fell downward into the building and windows broke out on the north face at the ends of the building core. The symmetric appearance of the downward fall of WTC 7 was primarily due to the greater stiffness and strength of its exterior frame relative to the interior framing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman_130:

    Logic.

    What dictates the direction of matter when falling?

    The path of Least resistance.

    Well then surely they would not fall into their own footprint at free fall speeds.




    Some people have said that a failure at one column should not have produced a symmetrical fall like this one. What is NIST’s answer to those assertions?

    WTC 7's collapse, viewed from the exterior (most videos were taken from the north), did appear to fall almost uniformly as a single unit. This occurred because the interior failures that took place did not cause the exterior framing to fail until the final stages of the building collapse. The interior floor framing and columns collapsed downward and pulled away from the exterior frame. There were clues that internal damage was taking place prior to the downward movement of the exterior frame, such as when the east penthouse fell downward into the building and windows broke out on the north face at the ends of the building core. The symmetric appearance of the downward fall of WTC 7 was primarily due to the greater stiffness and strength of its exterior frame relative to the interior framing.


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