So how did the center column pop then, and the building fall into its own imprint for that matter. Did some debris somehow demolish the center column of that building? The video speaks for itself, forget your "research". The video is all the research you need. Research can be made to say whatever you want. The video speaks volumes.
And you received your engineering degree from where? And you examined the site when? And since when did you become an expert on what happens to a concrete building when a 757 hits it at at cruising speed?
The video is all the research you need.
I've done more research on this than you and it's not even close. That is a fact. I've even had a phone conversation with one of the makers "Loose Change."
And people say smoking pot doesn't make you paranoid.
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Quote Originally Posted by slikstiks99:
So how did the center column pop then, and the building fall into its own imprint for that matter. Did some debris somehow demolish the center column of that building? The video speaks for itself, forget your "research". The video is all the research you need. Research can be made to say whatever you want. The video speaks volumes.
And you received your engineering degree from where? And you examined the site when? And since when did you become an expert on what happens to a concrete building when a 757 hits it at at cruising speed?
The video is all the research you need.
I've done more research on this than you and it's not even close. That is a fact. I've even had a phone conversation with one of the makers "Loose Change."
And people say smoking pot doesn't make you paranoid.
"Oh, look at me. I own a cat. I am SUCH an intellectual"
How was research conducted on the collapse of building 7? Personal accts of damage to the outside of the building? Still means nothing.
See. This is the typical conspiracy nut response. Just avoid the question or just switch the subject to my cat (where have we seen that before?). I asked him why the video has a bunch of people talking about red hot and molten metal, but yet they don't show any pictures of it in the video. Just steam. Reasonable question to ask to see pictures of red hot metal if you're using the video to prove that their may have been thermite involved. Yet no pictures of molten metal....or red hot metal for that matter.
But does that matter to the pot smoker? Nope. You'd think it would matter to someone seeking the truth.
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Quote Originally Posted by slikstiks99:
"Oh, look at me. I own a cat. I am SUCH an intellectual"
How was research conducted on the collapse of building 7? Personal accts of damage to the outside of the building? Still means nothing.
See. This is the typical conspiracy nut response. Just avoid the question or just switch the subject to my cat (where have we seen that before?). I asked him why the video has a bunch of people talking about red hot and molten metal, but yet they don't show any pictures of it in the video. Just steam. Reasonable question to ask to see pictures of red hot metal if you're using the video to prove that their may have been thermite involved. Yet no pictures of molten metal....or red hot metal for that matter.
But does that matter to the pot smoker? Nope. You'd think it would matter to someone seeking the truth.
And the personal accounts. re. damage DO mean something because there are a lot of nuts out there just like you who say that WTC 7 barely had any damage at all.
I love it how the personal accounts of the firefighters who saw molten and red hot metal DO matter to you (in fact, you take their accounts at face value when there is no video of this molten metal). But when it comes to first hand account of firefighters re. WTC 7, they mean nothing.
Even my cat can see through you bullshit.
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And the personal accounts. re. damage DO mean something because there are a lot of nuts out there just like you who say that WTC 7 barely had any damage at all.
I love it how the personal accounts of the firefighters who saw molten and red hot metal DO matter to you (in fact, you take their accounts at face value when there is no video of this molten metal). But when it comes to first hand account of firefighters re. WTC 7, they mean nothing.
You gotta love it. They go on and on about the "red hot" and "molten" metal they are seeing as they dig, but oddly enough, they never show you a picture of it.
Just a bunch of steam.
Oh, the simpletons.
are you suggesting the media or the fireman is lying?
you're a smart cat....i know somewhere in your mind you have to be objective...same goes for anyone else...as long as people aren't quick to believe whatever is being fed to us by the media, it's all gravy baby.
everyone is entitled to their own views
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Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
You gotta love it. They go on and on about the "red hot" and "molten" metal they are seeing as they dig, but oddly enough, they never show you a picture of it.
Just a bunch of steam.
Oh, the simpletons.
are you suggesting the media or the fireman is lying?
you're a smart cat....i know somewhere in your mind you have to be objective...same goes for anyone else...as long as people aren't quick to believe whatever is being fed to us by the media, it's all gravy baby.
See. This is the typical conspiracy nut response. Just avoid the question or just switch the subject to my cat (where have we seen that before?). I asked him why the video has a bunch of people talking about red hot and molten metal, but yet they don't show any pictures of it in the video. Just steam. Reasonable question to ask to see pictures of red hot metal if you're using the video to prove that their may have been thermite involved. Yet no pictures of molten metal....or red hot metal for that matter.
But does that matter to the pot smoker? Nope. You'd think it would matter to someone seeking the truth.
Did you not post the following to instigate such a post?
You gotta love it. They go on and on about the "red hot" and
"molten" metal they are seeing as they dig, but oddly enough, they never
show you a picture of it.
Just a bunch of steam.
Oh, the simpletons.
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Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
See. This is the typical conspiracy nut response. Just avoid the question or just switch the subject to my cat (where have we seen that before?). I asked him why the video has a bunch of people talking about red hot and molten metal, but yet they don't show any pictures of it in the video. Just steam. Reasonable question to ask to see pictures of red hot metal if you're using the video to prove that their may have been thermite involved. Yet no pictures of molten metal....or red hot metal for that matter.
But does that matter to the pot smoker? Nope. You'd think it would matter to someone seeking the truth.
Did you not post the following to instigate such a post?
You gotta love it. They go on and on about the "red hot" and
"molten" metal they are seeing as they dig, but oddly enough, they never
show you a picture of it.
In his book, Loving God, former presidential assistant Charles
Colson, in writing about Watergate, said, "With the most powerful office
in the world at stake, a small band of hand-picked loyalists [of
President Richard Nixon] ... could not hold a conspiracy together for
more than two weeks.”
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it is not possible to keep secrets
In his book, Loving God, former presidential assistant Charles
Colson, in writing about Watergate, said, "With the most powerful office
in the world at stake, a small band of hand-picked loyalists [of
President Richard Nixon] ... could not hold a conspiracy together for
more than two weeks.”
Note that peripheral figures in any conspiracy would be more likely to
come forward because their limited role would not result in serious
punishment-in fact, most likely no punishment at all because of a plea
bargain in which they'd have to name higher-ups. And their inducement
would be considerable financial rewards (books, TV movies based on their
disclosures, etc.). And mere informants, who wouldn't be exposed to
any legally adverse consequences, would only have financial rewards for
coming forward.
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another reason there can be no conspiracy
Note that peripheral figures in any conspiracy would be more likely to
come forward because their limited role would not result in serious
punishment-in fact, most likely no punishment at all because of a plea
bargain in which they'd have to name higher-ups. And their inducement
would be considerable financial rewards (books, TV movies based on their
disclosures, etc.). And mere informants, who wouldn't be exposed to
any legally adverse consequences, would only have financial rewards for
coming forward.
Again, you started the name calling buddy. So your research of WTC 7 is comprised of firsthand accounts of damage to the OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING by fire fighters? How'd that center column pop first then?
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Again, you started the name calling buddy. So your research of WTC 7 is comprised of firsthand accounts of damage to the OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING by fire fighters? How'd that center column pop first then?
How did the collapse of WTC 7 differ from the collapses of WTC 1 and WTC 2?
WTC 7 was unlike the WTC towers in many respects. WTC 7 was a more
typical tall building in the design of its structural system. It was not
struck by an aircraft. The collapse of WTC 7 was caused by a single
initiating event-the failure of a northeast building column brought on
by fire-induced damage to the adjacent flooring system and
connections-which stands in contrast to the WTC 1 and WTC 2 failures,
which were brought on by multiple factors, including structural damage
caused by the aircraft impact, extensive dislodgement of the sprayed
fire-resistive materials or fireproofing in the impacted region, and a
weakening of the steel structures created by the fires.
The fires in WTC 7 were quite different from the fires in the WTC
towers. Since WTC 7 was not doused with thousands of gallons of jet
fuel, large areas of any floor were not ignited simultaneously as they
were in the WTC towers. Instead, separate fires in WTC 7 broke out on
different floors, most notably on Floors 7 to 9 and 11 to 13. The WTC 7
fires were similar to building contents fires that have occurred in
several tall buildings where the automatic sprinklers did not function
or were not present.
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How did the collapse of WTC 7 differ from the collapses of WTC 1 and WTC 2?
WTC 7 was unlike the WTC towers in many respects. WTC 7 was a more
typical tall building in the design of its structural system. It was not
struck by an aircraft. The collapse of WTC 7 was caused by a single
initiating event-the failure of a northeast building column brought on
by fire-induced damage to the adjacent flooring system and
connections-which stands in contrast to the WTC 1 and WTC 2 failures,
which were brought on by multiple factors, including structural damage
caused by the aircraft impact, extensive dislodgement of the sprayed
fire-resistive materials or fireproofing in the impacted region, and a
weakening of the steel structures created by the fires.
The fires in WTC 7 were quite different from the fires in the WTC
towers. Since WTC 7 was not doused with thousands of gallons of jet
fuel, large areas of any floor were not ignited simultaneously as they
were in the WTC towers. Instead, separate fires in WTC 7 broke out on
different floors, most notably on Floors 7 to 9 and 11 to 13. The WTC 7
fires were similar to building contents fires that have occurred in
several tall buildings where the automatic sprinklers did not function
or were not present.
Progressive collapse is defined as the spread of local damage from a
single initiating event, from structural element to element, eventually
resulting in the collapse of an entire structure or a
disproportionately large part of it. The failure of WTC 7 was an
example of a fire-induced progressive collapse.
Progressive collapse did NOT occur in the WTC towers, for two reasons.
First, the collapse of each tower was not triggered by a local damage
or a single initiating event. Second, the structures were able to
redistribute loads from the impact and fire-damaged structural
components and subsystems to undamaged components and to keep the
building standing until a sudden, global collapse occurred. Had a hat
truss that connected the core columns to the exterior frame not been
installed to support a TV antenna atop each WTC tower after the
structure had been fully designed, it is likely that the core of the WTC
towers would have collapsed sooner, triggering a global collapse. Such
a collapse would have some features similar to that of a progressive
collapse.
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What is progressive collapse?
Progressive collapse is defined as the spread of local damage from a
single initiating event, from structural element to element, eventually
resulting in the collapse of an entire structure or a
disproportionately large part of it. The failure of WTC 7 was an
example of a fire-induced progressive collapse.
Progressive collapse did NOT occur in the WTC towers, for two reasons.
First, the collapse of each tower was not triggered by a local damage
or a single initiating event. Second, the structures were able to
redistribute loads from the impact and fire-damaged structural
components and subsystems to undamaged components and to keep the
building standing until a sudden, global collapse occurred. Had a hat
truss that connected the core columns to the exterior frame not been
installed to support a TV antenna atop each WTC tower after the
structure had been fully designed, it is likely that the core of the WTC
towers would have collapsed sooner, triggering a global collapse. Such
a collapse would have some features similar to that of a progressive
collapse.
The 13 experts of the NIST Investigation would if there had been a
conspiracy produced a fraudulant report
Apparently, then, such distinguished Americans as
these experts got together in some smoky back room and all of them
agreed, for some ungodly reason, to do the most dishonourable deed
imaginable-give organized crime, the CIA, the military-industrial
complex, or whoever was behind the 9/11, a free pass in the murder of
citizens of United States.
And in the process, not only risk destroying everything they had worked
for-their reputation and legacy to their families-but expose
themselves to prosecution for the crime of accessory after the fact to
murder. Ask yourself this: would any of these investigators, for
instance, risk being remembered as an accessory after the fact to the
murder of this nation's citizens, one who disgraced himself his
country.
The mere asking of the question demonstrates the absurdity of the thought.
Indeed, why would any of the members of the NIST and their staff stake
their good reputation on a report they prepared which they knew to be
fraudulent?
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The 13 experts of the NIST Investigation would if there had been a
conspiracy produced a fraudulant report
Apparently, then, such distinguished Americans as
these experts got together in some smoky back room and all of them
agreed, for some ungodly reason, to do the most dishonourable deed
imaginable-give organized crime, the CIA, the military-industrial
complex, or whoever was behind the 9/11, a free pass in the murder of
citizens of United States.
And in the process, not only risk destroying everything they had worked
for-their reputation and legacy to their families-but expose
themselves to prosecution for the crime of accessory after the fact to
murder. Ask yourself this: would any of these investigators, for
instance, risk being remembered as an accessory after the fact to the
murder of this nation's citizens, one who disgraced himself his
country.
The mere asking of the question demonstrates the absurdity of the thought.
Indeed, why would any of the members of the NIST and their staff stake
their good reputation on a report they prepared which they knew to be
fraudulent?
Did investigators consider the possibility that an explosion caused or contributed to the collapse of WTC 7?
Yes, this possibility was investigated carefully. NIST concluded that
blast events inside the building did not occur and found no evidence
supporting the existence of a blast event.
In addition, no blast sounds were heard on the audio tracks of video
recordings during the collapse of WTC 7 or reported by witnesses.
According to calculations by the investigation team, the smallest blast
capable of failing the building's critical column would have resulted
in a sound level of 130 decibels (dB) to 140 dB at a distance of at
least half a mile, if unobstructed by surrounding buildings. This sound
level is consistent with a gunshot blast, standing next to a jet plane
engine, and more than 10 times louder than being in front of the
speakers at a rock concert.
For the building to have been prepared for intentional demolition,
walls and/or column enclosures and fireproofing would have to be removed
and replaced without being detected. Preparing a column includes steps
such as cutting sections with torches, which produces noxious and
odorous fumes. Intentional demolition usually requires applying
explosive charges to most, if not all, interior columns, not just one or
a limited set of columns in a building.
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Did investigators consider the possibility that an explosion caused or contributed to the collapse of WTC 7?
Yes, this possibility was investigated carefully. NIST concluded that
blast events inside the building did not occur and found no evidence
supporting the existence of a blast event.
In addition, no blast sounds were heard on the audio tracks of video
recordings during the collapse of WTC 7 or reported by witnesses.
According to calculations by the investigation team, the smallest blast
capable of failing the building's critical column would have resulted
in a sound level of 130 decibels (dB) to 140 dB at a distance of at
least half a mile, if unobstructed by surrounding buildings. This sound
level is consistent with a gunshot blast, standing next to a jet plane
engine, and more than 10 times louder than being in front of the
speakers at a rock concert.
For the building to have been prepared for intentional demolition,
walls and/or column enclosures and fireproofing would have to be removed
and replaced without being detected. Preparing a column includes steps
such as cutting sections with torches, which produces noxious and
odorous fumes. Intentional demolition usually requires applying
explosive charges to most, if not all, interior columns, not just one or
a limited set of columns in a building.
Is it possible that thermite or thermate contributed to the collapse of WTC 7?
NIST has looked at the application and use of thermite and has
determined that its use to sever columns in WTC 7 on 9/11/01 was
unlikely.
Thermite is a combination of aluminum powder and a metal oxide that
releases a tremendous amount of heat when ignited. It is typically used
to weld railroad rails together by melting a small quantity of steel
and pouring the melted steel into a form between the two rails.
To apply thermite to a large steel column, approximately 0.13 lb of
thermite would be needed to heat and melt each pound of steel. For a
steel column that weighs approximately 1,000 lbs. per foot, at least 100
lbs. of thermite would need to be placed around the column, ignited,
and remain in contact with the vertical steel surface as the thermite
reaction took place. This is for one column . presumably, more than one
column would have been prepared with thermite, if this approach were to
be used.
It is unlikely that 100 lbs. of thermite, or more, could have been
carried into WTC 7 and placed around columns without being detected,
either prior to Sept. 11 or during that day.
Given the fires that were observed that day, and the demonstrated
structural response to the fires, NIST does not believe that thermite
was used to fail any columns in WTC 7.
Analysis of the WTC steel for the elements in thermite/thermate would
not necessarily have been conclusive. The metal compounds also would
have been present in the construction materials making up the WTC
buildings, and sulfur is present in the gypsum wallboard used for
interior partitions.
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Is it possible that thermite or thermate contributed to the collapse of WTC 7?
NIST has looked at the application and use of thermite and has
determined that its use to sever columns in WTC 7 on 9/11/01 was
unlikely.
Thermite is a combination of aluminum powder and a metal oxide that
releases a tremendous amount of heat when ignited. It is typically used
to weld railroad rails together by melting a small quantity of steel
and pouring the melted steel into a form between the two rails.
To apply thermite to a large steel column, approximately 0.13 lb of
thermite would be needed to heat and melt each pound of steel. For a
steel column that weighs approximately 1,000 lbs. per foot, at least 100
lbs. of thermite would need to be placed around the column, ignited,
and remain in contact with the vertical steel surface as the thermite
reaction took place. This is for one column . presumably, more than one
column would have been prepared with thermite, if this approach were to
be used.
It is unlikely that 100 lbs. of thermite, or more, could have been
carried into WTC 7 and placed around columns without being detected,
either prior to Sept. 11 or during that day.
Given the fires that were observed that day, and the demonstrated
structural response to the fires, NIST does not believe that thermite
was used to fail any columns in WTC 7.
Analysis of the WTC steel for the elements in thermite/thermate would
not necessarily have been conclusive. The metal compounds also would
have been present in the construction materials making up the WTC
buildings, and sulfur is present in the gypsum wallboard used for
interior partitions.
Some people have said that a failure at one column should not
have produced a symmetrical fall like this one. What's your answer to
those assertions?
WTC 7's collapse, viewed from the exterior (most videos were taken
from the north), did appear to fall almost uniformly as a single unit.
This occurred because the interior failures that took place did not
cause the exterior framing to fail until the final stages of the
building collapse. The interior floor framing and columns collapsed
downward and pulled away from the exterior frame. There were clues that
internal damage was taking place, prior to the downward movement of the
exterior frame, such as when the east penthouse fell downward into the
building and windows broke out on the north face at the ends of the
building core. The symmetric appearance of the downward fall of the WTC 7
was primarily due to the greater stiffness and strength of its
exterior frame relative to the interior framing. In a video, it appears that WTC 7 is descending in free fall,
something that would not occur in the structural collapse that you
describe. How can you ignore basic laws of physics?
In the draft WTC 7 report (released Aug. 21, 2008; available at https://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTA...ic_comment.pdf),
NIST stated that the north face of the building descended 18 stories
(the portion of the collapse visible in the video) in 5.4 seconds, based
on video analysis of the building collapse. This time period is 40
percent longer than the 3.9 seconds this process would have taken if the
north face of the building had descended solely under free fall
conditions. During the public comment period on the draft report, NIST
was asked to confirm this time difference and define the reasons for it
in greater detail.
To further clarify the descent of the north face, NIST recorded the
downward displacement of a point near the center of the roofline from
first movement until the north face was no longer visible in the video.
Numerical analyses were conducted to calculate the velocity and
acceleration of the roofline point from the time-dependent displacement
data. The instant at which vertical motion of the roofline first
occurred was determined by tracking the numerical value of the
brightness of a pixel (a single element in the video image) at the
roofline. This pixel became brighter as the roofline began to descend
because the color of the pixel started to change from that of the
building façade to the lighter color of the sky.
The approach taken by NIST is summarized in Section 3.6 of the final
summary report, NCSTAR 1A (released Nov. 20, 2008; available at https://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201A.pdf) and detailed in Section 12.5.3 of NIST NCSTAR 1-9 (available at https://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCST...%20Vol%202.pdf).
The analyses of the video (both the estimation of the instant the
roofline began to descend and the calculated velocity and acceleration
of a point on the roofline) revealed three distinct stages
characterizing the 5.4 seconds of collapse:
Stage 1 (0 to 1.75 seconds): acceleration less than that of gravity (i.e., slower than free fall).
Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)
Stage 3 (4.0 to 5.4 seconds): decreased acceleration, again less than that of gravity
This analysis showed that the 40 percent longer descent time—compared
to the 3.9 second free fall time—was due primarily to Stage 1, which
corresponded to the buckling of the exterior columns in the lower
stories of the north face. During Stage 2, the north face descended
essentially in free fall, indicating negligible support from the
structure below. This is consistent with the structural analysis model
which showed the exterior columns buckling and losing their capacity to
support the loads from the structure above.
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Some people have said that a failure at one column should not
have produced a symmetrical fall like this one. What's your answer to
those assertions?
WTC 7's collapse, viewed from the exterior (most videos were taken
from the north), did appear to fall almost uniformly as a single unit.
This occurred because the interior failures that took place did not
cause the exterior framing to fail until the final stages of the
building collapse. The interior floor framing and columns collapsed
downward and pulled away from the exterior frame. There were clues that
internal damage was taking place, prior to the downward movement of the
exterior frame, such as when the east penthouse fell downward into the
building and windows broke out on the north face at the ends of the
building core. The symmetric appearance of the downward fall of the WTC 7
was primarily due to the greater stiffness and strength of its
exterior frame relative to the interior framing. In a video, it appears that WTC 7 is descending in free fall,
something that would not occur in the structural collapse that you
describe. How can you ignore basic laws of physics?
In the draft WTC 7 report (released Aug. 21, 2008; available at https://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTA...ic_comment.pdf),
NIST stated that the north face of the building descended 18 stories
(the portion of the collapse visible in the video) in 5.4 seconds, based
on video analysis of the building collapse. This time period is 40
percent longer than the 3.9 seconds this process would have taken if the
north face of the building had descended solely under free fall
conditions. During the public comment period on the draft report, NIST
was asked to confirm this time difference and define the reasons for it
in greater detail.
To further clarify the descent of the north face, NIST recorded the
downward displacement of a point near the center of the roofline from
first movement until the north face was no longer visible in the video.
Numerical analyses were conducted to calculate the velocity and
acceleration of the roofline point from the time-dependent displacement
data. The instant at which vertical motion of the roofline first
occurred was determined by tracking the numerical value of the
brightness of a pixel (a single element in the video image) at the
roofline. This pixel became brighter as the roofline began to descend
because the color of the pixel started to change from that of the
building façade to the lighter color of the sky.
The approach taken by NIST is summarized in Section 3.6 of the final
summary report, NCSTAR 1A (released Nov. 20, 2008; available at https://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201A.pdf) and detailed in Section 12.5.3 of NIST NCSTAR 1-9 (available at https://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCST...%20Vol%202.pdf).
The analyses of the video (both the estimation of the instant the
roofline began to descend and the calculated velocity and acceleration
of a point on the roofline) revealed three distinct stages
characterizing the 5.4 seconds of collapse:
Stage 1 (0 to 1.75 seconds): acceleration less than that of gravity (i.e., slower than free fall).
Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)
Stage 3 (4.0 to 5.4 seconds): decreased acceleration, again less than that of gravity
This analysis showed that the 40 percent longer descent time—compared
to the 3.9 second free fall time—was due primarily to Stage 1, which
corresponded to the buckling of the exterior columns in the lower
stories of the north face. During Stage 2, the north face descended
essentially in free fall, indicating negligible support from the
structure below. This is consistent with the structural analysis model
which showed the exterior columns buckling and losing their capacity to
support the loads from the structure above.
BMA....post some of the things the gov't lied to us about. If you want to be the TMZ of covers you have to present both sides of lies and deception.
it is not possible to keep secrets
In his book, Loving God, former presidential assistant Charles
Colson, in writing about Watergate, said, "With the most powerful office
in the world at stake, a small band of hand-picked loyalists [of
President Richard Nixon] ... could not hold a conspiracy together for
more than two weeks.”
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Quote Originally Posted by PokinSmot:
BMA....post some of the things the gov't lied to us about. If you want to be the TMZ of covers you have to present both sides of lies and deception.
it is not possible to keep secrets
In his book, Loving God, former presidential assistant Charles
Colson, in writing about Watergate, said, "With the most powerful office
in the world at stake, a small band of hand-picked loyalists [of
President Richard Nixon] ... could not hold a conspiracy together for
more than two weeks.”
BMA....post some of the things the gov't lied to us about. If you want to be the TMZ of covers you have to present both sides of lies and deception.
another point, it is amazing, that no other country intelligence
gathered any intelligence about a 9/11 conspiracy, Russia and China
would have had a field day with any conspiracy that USA had killed its
own citizens. All conversations are monitored, other countries listen,
the UK is one of the best at tracking and listening and you dont think
MI5,MI6 CHQ would have picked up something, then you say UK was in on it
as well.
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Quote Originally Posted by PokinSmot:
BMA....post some of the things the gov't lied to us about. If you want to be the TMZ of covers you have to present both sides of lies and deception.
another point, it is amazing, that no other country intelligence
gathered any intelligence about a 9/11 conspiracy, Russia and China
would have had a field day with any conspiracy that USA had killed its
own citizens. All conversations are monitored, other countries listen,
the UK is one of the best at tracking and listening and you dont think
MI5,MI6 CHQ would have picked up something, then you say UK was in on it
as well.
Unique view: Frank Culbertson took this picture of the 9/11
attacks from the International Space Station. He was the only American
off-planet at the time
On the morning of September 11 2001 there was only one American off-planet – Expedition 3 Commander Frank Culbertson.
While 220 miles above the Earth aboard the International Space Station,
Culbertson took incredible pictures of the Twin Towers after they were
struck by the hijacked jets.
The station was passing over New York at the time of the attacks and it had a profound effect on the astronaut.
# Moved: Culbertson spoke of his horror at seeing 'wounds pouring from his country'
#
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Unique view: Frank Culbertson took this picture of the 9/11
attacks from the International Space Station. He was the only American
off-planet at the time
On the morning of September 11 2001 there was only one American off-planet – Expedition 3 Commander Frank Culbertson.
While 220 miles above the Earth aboard the International Space Station,
Culbertson took incredible pictures of the Twin Towers after they were
struck by the hijacked jets.
The station was passing over New York at the time of the attacks and it had a profound effect on the astronaut.
# Moved: Culbertson spoke of his horror at seeing 'wounds pouring from his country'
As Richard White, professor of history at the University of Washington, and speaking in a generic sense, says,
"You can't trustthegovernment to do anything right--- except of course, to conspire and cover up.
Then it becomes diabolically efficient.
The very people who are wildest for government conspiracies are often the same people who believe thegovernment is incapable of delivering the
mail efficiently."
In other words conspiracists believe that Murphy's
law (whatever can go wrong will go wrong) doesn't apply to the alleged conspiracy in 9/11 and cover-up.
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As Richard White, professor of history at the University of Washington, and speaking in a generic sense, says,
"You can't trustthegovernment to do anything right--- except of course, to conspire and cover up.
Then it becomes diabolically efficient.
The very people who are wildest for government conspiracies are often the same people who believe thegovernment is incapable of delivering the
mail efficiently."
In other words conspiracists believe that Murphy's
law (whatever can go wrong will go wrong) doesn't apply to the alleged conspiracy in 9/11 and cover-up.
another point, it is amazing, that no other country intelligence
gathered any intelligence about a 9/11 conspiracy, Russia and China
would have had a field day with any conspiracy that USA had killed its
own citizens. All conversations are monitored, other countries listen,
the UK is one of the best at tracking and listening and you dont think
MI5,MI6 CHQ would have picked up something, then you say UK was in on it
as well.
i think all the agencies are run by the same group of elite people.
im not suggesting our gov't killed it's own citizens although history shows the gov't has done so....can you provide that link BMA?
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Quote Originally Posted by BMA:
another point, it is amazing, that no other country intelligence
gathered any intelligence about a 9/11 conspiracy, Russia and China
would have had a field day with any conspiracy that USA had killed its
own citizens. All conversations are monitored, other countries listen,
the UK is one of the best at tracking and listening and you dont think
MI5,MI6 CHQ would have picked up something, then you say UK was in on it
as well.
i think all the agencies are run by the same group of elite people.
im not suggesting our gov't killed it's own citizens although history shows the gov't has done so....can you provide that link BMA?
The report to the European Parliament of 2001 states: "If UKUSA states
operate listening stations in the relevant regions of the earth, in
principle they can intercept all telephone, fax and data traffic
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The report to the European Parliament of 2001 states: "If UKUSA states
operate listening stations in the relevant regions of the earth, in
principle they can intercept all telephone, fax and data traffic
The video is all the research you need.
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