ahh, I wouldn't go that far. They rate by how much their sponsors pay. Yes they have some good sponsors up top, but some are suspect at best. If you are not a sponsor there, you're in trouble
SBR's list of top books is legit....in fact all of their top books are widely considered to be the best. Covers had BetED as their #1 recommended book...
What sponsor is "suspect" at best? I would love to know...Covers has a decent list also, but don't be fooled. Sports Interaction ahead of by far the best book on the planet, Pinnacle Sports can only mean one thing...
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Quote Originally Posted by thehorsemen2:
ahh, I wouldn't go that far. They rate by how much their sponsors pay. Yes they have some good sponsors up top, but some are suspect at best. If you are not a sponsor there, you're in trouble
SBR's list of top books is legit....in fact all of their top books are widely considered to be the best. Covers had BetED as their #1 recommended book...
What sponsor is "suspect" at best? I would love to know...Covers has a decent list also, but don't be fooled. Sports Interaction ahead of by far the best book on the planet, Pinnacle Sports can only mean one thing...
richsox, if you only knew the difference between what shows up in the forums and what actually shows up when people are asked to provide the proof.
I see it everyday. And I'm not talking about just beted. I'm talking about every site. In fact, beted was refreshing for the lack of complaints they generated.
We try to help everybody, but you would be shocked at how often people are just angry because they made a stupid mistake and missed a rule, or else they were trying to get away with something obviously shifty and then are pissed because they got caught.
The big problem, and this happens at every book, is that nobody has a good bouncer checking people on the way in. They just want to make it as easy as possible to get in there to bet.
So what happens is that somebody hits a parlay at XYZ sportsbook in his first week and then tries to cash out. At that point they check for ID and find out that it's some guy using his landlord's credit card or something like that. Then the guy gets pissed because they waited until he won a grand before jamming him. True. But he lied and had no intention of paying.
I see a version of this situation once a week. Inevitably the dude shows up on some other forum that has a beef with XYZ and has no interest in finding out the real truth.
Understandable...like i said, i just remember the vague details and i know there are two sides to every story. I am sure that you guys do your share to help out the gambling community, as does sbr. Hopefully one of you can get the bailout worked out. It really doesnt matter who.
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Quote Originally Posted by Lou:
richsox, if you only knew the difference between what shows up in the forums and what actually shows up when people are asked to provide the proof.
I see it everyday. And I'm not talking about just beted. I'm talking about every site. In fact, beted was refreshing for the lack of complaints they generated.
We try to help everybody, but you would be shocked at how often people are just angry because they made a stupid mistake and missed a rule, or else they were trying to get away with something obviously shifty and then are pissed because they got caught.
The big problem, and this happens at every book, is that nobody has a good bouncer checking people on the way in. They just want to make it as easy as possible to get in there to bet.
So what happens is that somebody hits a parlay at XYZ sportsbook in his first week and then tries to cash out. At that point they check for ID and find out that it's some guy using his landlord's credit card or something like that. Then the guy gets pissed because they waited until he won a grand before jamming him. True. But he lied and had no intention of paying.
I see a version of this situation once a week. Inevitably the dude shows up on some other forum that has a beef with XYZ and has no interest in finding out the real truth.
Understandable...like i said, i just remember the vague details and i know there are two sides to every story. I am sure that you guys do your share to help out the gambling community, as does sbr. Hopefully one of you can get the bailout worked out. It really doesnt matter who.
Say what you will about our list, but we are not in the business of bad-mouthing companies just because they don't pay us.
Lou, I have never seen SBR or Covers for that matter "bad mouth" a legit book...from what I've seen they only bad mouth scam books that don't pay which helps us gamblers avoid those books.
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Quote Originally Posted by Lou:
Say what you will about our list, but we are not in the business of bad-mouthing companies just because they don't pay us.
Lou, I have never seen SBR or Covers for that matter "bad mouth" a legit book...from what I've seen they only bad mouth scam books that don't pay which helps us gamblers avoid those books.
SBR's list of top books is legit....in fact all of their top books are widely considered to be the best. Covers had BetED as their #1 recommended book...
What sponsor is "suspect" at best? I would love to know...Covers has a decent list also, but don't be fooled. Sports Interaction ahead of by far the best book on the planet, Pinnacle Sports can only mean one thing...
I will point out one, which is Bodog, rated A at sbr That has to be a joke
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Quote Originally Posted by nepatriots_12:
SBR's list of top books is legit....in fact all of their top books are widely considered to be the best. Covers had BetED as their #1 recommended book...
What sponsor is "suspect" at best? I would love to know...Covers has a decent list also, but don't be fooled. Sports Interaction ahead of by far the best book on the planet, Pinnacle Sports can only mean one thing...
I will point out one, which is Bodog, rated A at sbr That has to be a joke
Lou, I have never seen SBR or Covers for that matter "bad mouth" a legit book...from what I've seen they only bad mouth scam books that don't pay which helps us gamblers avoid those books.
The sad thing is... Up until a week ago, I would have argued that point with beted as an example.
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Quote Originally Posted by nepatriots_12:
Lou, I have never seen SBR or Covers for that matter "bad mouth" a legit book...from what I've seen they only bad mouth scam books that don't pay which helps us gamblers avoid those books.
The sad thing is... Up until a week ago, I would have argued that point with beted as an example.
I will point out one, which is Bodog, rated A at sbr That has to be a joke
Bodog may not have good lines, but they are still a legit book that doesn't stiff their players. I have always been paid by them and I don't know of anyone that hasn't. Next?
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Quote Originally Posted by thehorsemen2:
I will point out one, which is Bodog, rated A at sbr That has to be a joke
Bodog may not have good lines, but they are still a legit book that doesn't stiff their players. I have always been paid by them and I don't know of anyone that hasn't. Next?
I just heard that I'm personally working on a bailing with an unknown book to transfer 100% of the funds. I can't tell you who this unknown book is, but trust me, because this unknown book is highly rated.
Do you realize how ridiculous that just sounded? Goodness gracious.
I feel the pain of those who were harmed by BetED, but to assume Covers.com is doing nothing is proving all theories of assuming to be correct.
/End thread.
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I just heard that I'm personally working on a bailing with an unknown book to transfer 100% of the funds. I can't tell you who this unknown book is, but trust me, because this unknown book is highly rated.
Do you realize how ridiculous that just sounded? Goodness gracious.
I feel the pain of those who were harmed by BetED, but to assume Covers.com is doing nothing is proving all theories of assuming to be correct.
I just heard that I'm personally working on a bailing with an unknown book to transfer 100% of the funds. I can't tell you who this unknown book is, but trust me, because this unknown book is highly rated.
Do you realize how ridiculous that just sounded? Goodness gracious.
I feel the pain of those who were harmed by BetED, but to assume Covers.com is doing nothing is proving all theories of assuming to be correct.
/End thread.
Maybe you should take another Day off of gambling. Just a thought.
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Quote Originally Posted by SarahJPhilli:
I just heard that I'm personally working on a bailing with an unknown book to transfer 100% of the funds. I can't tell you who this unknown book is, but trust me, because this unknown book is highly rated.
Do you realize how ridiculous that just sounded? Goodness gracious.
I feel the pain of those who were harmed by BetED, but to assume Covers.com is doing nothing is proving all theories of assuming to be correct.
/End thread.
Maybe you should take another Day off of gambling. Just a thought.
Bodog may not have good lines, but they are still a legit book that doesn't stiff their players. I have always been paid by them and I don't know of anyone that hasn't. Next?
They are a Slow pay book I would play there with Your money
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Quote Originally Posted by nepatriots_12:
Bodog may not have good lines, but they are still a legit book that doesn't stiff their players. I have always been paid by them and I don't know of anyone that hasn't. Next?
They are a Slow pay book I would play there with Your money
can sbr be more vague on this - this is total pr scam and most of you are falling for it - every sportsbook is after the betEd players list - at a time where acquiring new players is extra hard.
any site can make these claims and give you no details - but what is the point of that? Players want facts - not innuendos and this is what Freedom will find out - and update everyone acordingly.
Full tilt is still not sorted out - so to think this is as easy as some people think it is - you are dead wrong. But all the key people are workign towards a solution that does take care of the players - and no this will not be discussed in an open forum - until the facts are all in place.
Also keep in mind 80% of the player complaints at sbr - are done by Justin - that is the biz model - develop a complaint - blackmail the book to receive a higher grade.
The majority of the books don't care about there grades at sbr - the model is now failing - and they simply have no other products to offer players.
Hopefully a solution will be announced in the next few days to take care of the players
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can sbr be more vague on this - this is total pr scam and most of you are falling for it - every sportsbook is after the betEd players list - at a time where acquiring new players is extra hard.
any site can make these claims and give you no details - but what is the point of that? Players want facts - not innuendos and this is what Freedom will find out - and update everyone acordingly.
Full tilt is still not sorted out - so to think this is as easy as some people think it is - you are dead wrong. But all the key people are workign towards a solution that does take care of the players - and no this will not be discussed in an open forum - until the facts are all in place.
Also keep in mind 80% of the player complaints at sbr - are done by Justin - that is the biz model - develop a complaint - blackmail the book to receive a higher grade.
The majority of the books don't care about there grades at sbr - the model is now failing - and they simply have no other products to offer players.
Hopefully a solution will be announced in the next few days to take care of the players
Lou there is evidence that monies were seized. How would you or the DOJ know what percentage of funds were seized? The DOJ may have seized all the funds they were aware of, BUT to suggest that they seized all existing funds appears to be pure conjecture.
I've read every word of these threads and I have seen no facts or even clear logic that Beted was completely blindsided. Certainly Bookmaker was not completely surprised and even if Beted were completely dumbfounded by the crackdown, that doesn't mean all their funds were in the three referred accounts. I don't keep all my assets in a shoebox under my bed and I don't think they did either.
I'm also not sure exactly why this sentiment constitutes assuming the worst. I don't see any need for berating anyone, this is supposed to be a discussion of the case and what may happen. Certainly opinion is part of that conjecture.
Perhaps you could shed some light on the value of a customer list and how that value would likely compare to the sum of account balances. I'm not sure it's particularly relevant exactly who has the funds at this point, but if you do, I'd love to hear why. Personally I would think the list is worth far less than the account balances, but I would be pleased to be incorrect.
EVERY dollar that has been sent in
and out of Beted Has been watched, personal accounts, friends, associates, Beted
had accounts in 5 or 6Different countries, it not like is all in one bank, or all
at the processor.
When the FEDS bust you they know everything about you
everything,
That’s why lying to the FEDS carry’s a one year sentence, on
top of the underlining charge
Because they spend countless man hours, if you think ANY
BOOK can hide money
From an undercover operation conducted for over 2 years you’re
misinformed.
No parachute, No bail out, No money,
And if you read or believe the SBR shit your crazy,
Word in Costa Rica,
SBR it walking a tight rope without a net.
On a funny note Phil Ivey is boycotting the WSOP this year because of non-payment to the full tilt players and irreparably damage to his reputation. Ivey is seeking damages in excess of $150 million. Your not going to fix shit from the thread, let Covers handle it and just for a while.
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Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:
Lou there is evidence that monies were seized. How would you or the DOJ know what percentage of funds were seized? The DOJ may have seized all the funds they were aware of, BUT to suggest that they seized all existing funds appears to be pure conjecture.
I've read every word of these threads and I have seen no facts or even clear logic that Beted was completely blindsided. Certainly Bookmaker was not completely surprised and even if Beted were completely dumbfounded by the crackdown, that doesn't mean all their funds were in the three referred accounts. I don't keep all my assets in a shoebox under my bed and I don't think they did either.
I'm also not sure exactly why this sentiment constitutes assuming the worst. I don't see any need for berating anyone, this is supposed to be a discussion of the case and what may happen. Certainly opinion is part of that conjecture.
Perhaps you could shed some light on the value of a customer list and how that value would likely compare to the sum of account balances. I'm not sure it's particularly relevant exactly who has the funds at this point, but if you do, I'd love to hear why. Personally I would think the list is worth far less than the account balances, but I would be pleased to be incorrect.
EVERY dollar that has been sent in
and out of Beted Has been watched, personal accounts, friends, associates, Beted
had accounts in 5 or 6Different countries, it not like is all in one bank, or all
at the processor.
When the FEDS bust you they know everything about you
everything,
That’s why lying to the FEDS carry’s a one year sentence, on
top of the underlining charge
Because they spend countless man hours, if you think ANY
BOOK can hide money
From an undercover operation conducted for over 2 years you’re
misinformed.
No parachute, No bail out, No money,
And if you read or believe the SBR shit your crazy,
Word in Costa Rica,
SBR it walking a tight rope without a net.
On a funny note Phil Ivey is boycotting the WSOP this year because of non-payment to the full tilt players and irreparably damage to his reputation. Ivey is seeking damages in excess of $150 million. Your not going to fix shit from the thread, let Covers handle it and just for a while.
EVERY dollar that has been sent in
and out of Beted Has been watched, personal accounts, friends, associates, Beted
had accounts in 5 or 6Different countries, it not like is all in one bank, or all
at the processor.
When the FEDS bust you they know everything about you
everything,
That’s why lying to the FEDS carry’s a one year sentence, on
top of the underlining charge
Because they spend countless man hours, if you think ANY
BOOK can hide money
From an undercover operation conducted for over 2 years you’re
misinformed.
No parachute, No bail out, No money,
And if you read or believe the SBR shit your crazy,
Word in Costa Rica,
SBR it walking a tight rope without a net.
On a funny note Phil Ivey is boycotting the WSOP this year because of non-payment to the full tilt players and irreparably damage to his reputation. Ivey is seeking damages in excess of $150 million. Your not going to fix shit from the thread, let Covers handle it and just for a while.
I hope people are not thinking that SBR is the one that's working the Bailout. They might "Want" to think they are, by that's Far from the truth.
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Quote Originally Posted by LVTruck:
EVERY dollar that has been sent in
and out of Beted Has been watched, personal accounts, friends, associates, Beted
had accounts in 5 or 6Different countries, it not like is all in one bank, or all
at the processor.
When the FEDS bust you they know everything about you
everything,
That’s why lying to the FEDS carry’s a one year sentence, on
top of the underlining charge
Because they spend countless man hours, if you think ANY
BOOK can hide money
From an undercover operation conducted for over 2 years you’re
misinformed.
No parachute, No bail out, No money,
And if you read or believe the SBR shit your crazy,
Word in Costa Rica,
SBR it walking a tight rope without a net.
On a funny note Phil Ivey is boycotting the WSOP this year because of non-payment to the full tilt players and irreparably damage to his reputation. Ivey is seeking damages in excess of $150 million. Your not going to fix shit from the thread, let Covers handle it and just for a while.
I hope people are not thinking that SBR is the one that's working the Bailout. They might "Want" to think they are, by that's Far from the truth.
I would like my Full tilt cash,, but that's a cluster F
Contrary to his sanctimonious public statements, Phil Ivey’s meritless lawsuit is about helping just one player – himself. In an effort to further enrich himself at the expense of others, Mr. Ivey appears to have timed his lawsuit to thwart pending deals with several parties that would put money back in players’ pockets. In fact, Mr. Ivey has been invited -- and has declined -- to take actions that could assist the company in these efforts, including paying back a large sum of money he owes the site. Tiltware doubts Mr. Ivey’s frivolous and self-serving lawsuit will ever get to court. But if it does, the company looks forward to presenting facts demonstrating that Mr. Ivey is putting his own narrow financial interests ahead of the players he professes to help.”
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I would like my Full tilt cash,, but that's a cluster F
Contrary to his sanctimonious public statements, Phil Ivey’s meritless lawsuit is about helping just one player – himself. In an effort to further enrich himself at the expense of others, Mr. Ivey appears to have timed his lawsuit to thwart pending deals with several parties that would put money back in players’ pockets. In fact, Mr. Ivey has been invited -- and has declined -- to take actions that could assist the company in these efforts, including paying back a large sum of money he owes the site. Tiltware doubts Mr. Ivey’s frivolous and self-serving lawsuit will ever get to court. But if it does, the company looks forward to presenting facts demonstrating that Mr. Ivey is putting his own narrow financial interests ahead of the players he professes to help.”
I am uninterested in comparing SBRs' and Covers' involvement in this potential "bailout". Hopefully that argument will be solved in a short period of time. What I am very interested in is that fact that covers spent the first few days of this situation pushing all the blame to the US Dept of Justice. All Covers cared about is preserving their reputation, defending BetEd in the process. SO much preaching about how the US Gov't has our money, and how BetEd is powerless. Now we all learn that BetEd is fully capable of correcting this situation. Slowly and steadily we are learning that everything Covers says is deceptive.
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I am uninterested in comparing SBRs' and Covers' involvement in this potential "bailout". Hopefully that argument will be solved in a short period of time. What I am very interested in is that fact that covers spent the first few days of this situation pushing all the blame to the US Dept of Justice. All Covers cared about is preserving their reputation, defending BetEd in the process. SO much preaching about how the US Gov't has our money, and how BetEd is powerless. Now we all learn that BetEd is fully capable of correcting this situation. Slowly and steadily we are learning that everything Covers says is deceptive.
Any bailout has nothing to do with the money being siezed. That money is still gone. The DOJ has it. That hasn't changed. They are STILL to blame for this situation, and will always be.
Nobody ever said that a bailout wasn't possible. The best situation obviously would still be for the DOJ to unlock those accounts, but that's probably not happening anytime soon.
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USA, are you on crack?
Any bailout has nothing to do with the money being siezed. That money is still gone. The DOJ has it. That hasn't changed. They are STILL to blame for this situation, and will always be.
Nobody ever said that a bailout wasn't possible. The best situation obviously would still be for the DOJ to unlock those accounts, but that's probably not happening anytime soon.
Any bailout has nothing to do with the money being siezed. That money is still gone. The DOJ has it. That hasn't changed. They are STILL to blame for this situation, and will always be.
Nobody ever said that a bailout wasn't possible. The best situation obviously would still be for the DOJ to unlock those accounts, but that's probably not happening anytime soon.
Lou, Do you really "Think" Beted only had one Bank account ? do you "Think" they would put all of their eggs in One basket ?
I "Think" Not
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Quote Originally Posted by Lou:
USA, are you on crack?
Any bailout has nothing to do with the money being siezed. That money is still gone. The DOJ has it. That hasn't changed. They are STILL to blame for this situation, and will always be.
Nobody ever said that a bailout wasn't possible. The best situation obviously would still be for the DOJ to unlock those accounts, but that's probably not happening anytime soon.
Lou, Do you really "Think" Beted only had one Bank account ? do you "Think" they would put all of their eggs in One basket ?
Why is it so hard to let people who know what they're doing handle this?
Here is some food for thought fellas... I know if I had money in beted, I would be pissed but I would be more pissed at all the small talk.. all the rumors and chit chat will do more harm than good. I know if I had money there then I would want to see the good instead of the harm... you see what I'm saying.. all this chatter and chaos can NOT be good for the players.. I bet there are more eyes on this situation than there should be and it has to do with all the messed up rumors and bullshit people are spreading
Let the people who work with these books have some time.. and in the mean time, I would stop with all the rumors.... but that's just me.... I want money not talk... you cant get money when your talking about it....lol
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Why is it so hard to let people who know what they're doing handle this?
Here is some food for thought fellas... I know if I had money in beted, I would be pissed but I would be more pissed at all the small talk.. all the rumors and chit chat will do more harm than good. I know if I had money there then I would want to see the good instead of the harm... you see what I'm saying.. all this chatter and chaos can NOT be good for the players.. I bet there are more eyes on this situation than there should be and it has to do with all the messed up rumors and bullshit people are spreading
Let the people who work with these books have some time.. and in the mean time, I would stop with all the rumors.... but that's just me.... I want money not talk... you cant get money when your talking about it....lol
Why is it so hard to let people who know what they're doing handle this?
Here is some food for thought fellas... I know if I had money in beted, I would be pissed but I would be more pissed at all the small talk.. all the rumors and chit chat will do more harm than good. I know if I had money there then I would want to see the good instead of the harm... you see what I'm saying.. all this chatter and chaos can NOT be good for the players.. I bet there are more eyes on this situation than there should be and it has to do with all the messed up rumors and bullshit people are spreading
Let the people who work with these books have some time.. and in the mean time, I would stop with all the rumors.... but that's just me.... I want money not talk... you cant get money when your talking about it....lol
No, I WANT Answers, what's wrong with that ? They know more than what they are saying, and they ain't saying much.
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Quote Originally Posted by superbeets:
Why is it so hard to let people who know what they're doing handle this?
Here is some food for thought fellas... I know if I had money in beted, I would be pissed but I would be more pissed at all the small talk.. all the rumors and chit chat will do more harm than good. I know if I had money there then I would want to see the good instead of the harm... you see what I'm saying.. all this chatter and chaos can NOT be good for the players.. I bet there are more eyes on this situation than there should be and it has to do with all the messed up rumors and bullshit people are spreading
Let the people who work with these books have some time.. and in the mean time, I would stop with all the rumors.... but that's just me.... I want money not talk... you cant get money when your talking about it....lol
No, I WANT Answers, what's wrong with that ? They know more than what they are saying, and they ain't saying much.
They are a Slow pay book I would play there with Your money
I, as well as everyone I know that plays there has been paid promptly...I usually get it withing 3-4 days. BoDog is far from the best book, their lines are crap (can occasionally get good lines on dogs) and their deposit/withdrawal options are limited but they don't stiff players.
Just out of curiosity, how long did it take for you to get paid? I would guess that it's because of your government's strict rules, and NOT BoDog which leads to limited withdrawal options and slower payouts.
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Quote Originally Posted by thehorsemen2:
They are a Slow pay book I would play there with Your money
I, as well as everyone I know that plays there has been paid promptly...I usually get it withing 3-4 days. BoDog is far from the best book, their lines are crap (can occasionally get good lines on dogs) and their deposit/withdrawal options are limited but they don't stiff players.
Just out of curiosity, how long did it take for you to get paid? I would guess that it's because of your government's strict rules, and NOT BoDog which leads to limited withdrawal options and slower payouts.
I, as well as everyone I know that plays there has been paid promptly...I usually get it withing 3-4 days. BoDog is far from the best book, their lines are crap (can occasionally get good lines on dogs) and their deposit/withdrawal options are limited but they don't stiff players.
Just out of curiosity, how long did it take for you to get paid? I would guess that it's because of your government's strict rules, and NOT BoDog which leads to limited withdrawal options and slower payouts.
You can find threads at almost every forum, Including here at Covers so I know it's just not me. Yes, I'm in the U.S. and probably easier for you.
took 17 days to get paid, I have no problems like that from 3 other books I use.
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Quote Originally Posted by nepatriots_12:
I, as well as everyone I know that plays there has been paid promptly...I usually get it withing 3-4 days. BoDog is far from the best book, their lines are crap (can occasionally get good lines on dogs) and their deposit/withdrawal options are limited but they don't stiff players.
Just out of curiosity, how long did it take for you to get paid? I would guess that it's because of your government's strict rules, and NOT BoDog which leads to limited withdrawal options and slower payouts.
You can find threads at almost every forum, Including here at Covers so I know it's just not me. Yes, I'm in the U.S. and probably easier for you.
took 17 days to get paid, I have no problems like that from 3 other books I use.
just for a while.
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